View Full Version : 2007: Netphorian criticism list


rolmos
01-18-2008, 06:41 PM
Quick list of things Netphoria has criticized SP2 about:

Not having James back
Reaction to the theft of the artwork
Having new members that look too similar to the original members
Jeff's cape
Ginger's hair
The website + Not bringing back the O-board
3453043 versions of Zeitgeist
Lossy Itunes downloads
The Tarantula video.
Million B0lly Choir
Clipping and compression
Silk pijamas
"Are you down with the mighty SP?"
The setlists were too repetitive.
Continuing the tradition of leaving the best songs out of the album.
Superchrist: US2
No studio Gossamer
American Gothic in general.
American Gothic cover.
Strange taste in shiny green/orange shoes.
No vinyl Zeitgeist available yet.
Billy buying metal lobster
Not putting out the Metro DVD (this is not exclusive of '07)
TTW Ford commercial (and others)
SP not playing Chicago (and other main cities)
...

I'm probably missing many others,please mention them if you want. What do you people think when you see all of these on a list?

slunken
01-18-2008, 06:44 PM
What do you people think when you see all of these on a list?

it makes me laff

dustrock
01-18-2008, 06:49 PM
might as well add the Doomsday Clock video

Jimmy's drumming on Zeitgeist

Studio Zeitgeist compared to Live Zeitgeist (particularly Starz)

residency songs

<sp3
01-18-2008, 07:02 PM
Jimmy's drumming on Zeitgeist

residency songs



find something better to complain about

???
01-18-2008, 07:04 PM
-bolly deeming netphoria "bullshit"

Quiet CD
01-18-2008, 07:04 PM
They sure did alot for only 7 or 8 months

TheMilstead
01-18-2008, 07:06 PM
Jimmy's drums production on Zeitgeist

fixed

???
01-18-2008, 07:06 PM
-billy and jimmy flipping off andrew pakula, netphoria webmaster

Thomas
01-18-2008, 07:08 PM
Rain panchos
Death From Above
Zeitgeist cover

MonkeyMan
01-18-2008, 07:08 PM
I think the list should simply state "everything." That'd sum it up pretty nicely.

redbull
01-18-2008, 07:09 PM
Quick list of things Netphoria has criticized SP2 about:

Not having James back
Reaction to the theft of the artwork
The website + Not bringing back the O-board
3453043 versions of Zeitgeist
Lossy Itunes downloads
The Tarantula video.
Million B0lly Choir
Clipping and compression
"Are you down with the mighty SP?"
The setlists were too repetitive.
Continuing the tradition of leaving the best songs out of the album.
Superchrist: US2
No studio Gossamer
American Gothic in general.
American Gothic cover.
No vinyl Zeitgeist available yet.
Not putting out the Metro DVD (this is not exclusive of '07)
TTW Ford commercial (and others)
SP not playing Chicago (and other main cities)

all good things to criticize this band about
please add having Jeff turned down so much in the live mix to this list as well.

???
01-18-2008, 07:10 PM
-bc/jc not doing another round of Ask a Pumpkin
-corny blogs

ravenguy2000
01-18-2008, 07:13 PM
the pumpkin queen

wHATcOLOR
01-18-2008, 07:15 PM
bill complaining to fans who bought the album that people aren't buying the album

BurtSampson
01-18-2008, 07:29 PM
-billy and jimmy flipping off andrew pakula, netphoria webmaster

When was this?

???
01-18-2008, 07:30 PM
andrew had never met them before and he got a vip pass for a show at toronto vfest i think. they basically just said hi to him but refused to do any photos or autographs.

ed. at which point they promptly disappeared to get ready for the show

redbull
01-18-2008, 07:36 PM
well he is like the trotsky to their stalin. I can't really blame them.

mistle
01-18-2008, 07:38 PM
bad music

skipgo
01-18-2008, 07:40 PM
this list makes me think pumpkins fans are hard to please, or the smashing pumpkins suck.

???
01-18-2008, 07:43 PM
this list makes me think pumpkins fans are hard to please, or the smashing pumpkins suck.

bit of both

T&T
01-18-2008, 07:44 PM
american gothic is 2008 release...
keep it for next year

<sp3
01-18-2008, 08:02 PM
the pumpkin queen

haha oh yea i had forgotten about her

DiscoJon
01-18-2008, 08:04 PM
Gish Month

???
01-18-2008, 08:06 PM
Gish Month <o>

paranoid
01-18-2008, 08:08 PM
you forgot the one that drove the fans the craziest, and that is billy's inability to pronounce his consonants.

and the vocal vibrato overuse.

fucking annoying.

i love it when he goes on a bitch fest on stage though.. great entertainment.

dustrock
01-18-2008, 08:16 PM
Billy's typically incomprehensible blog/news posts on the OS.

The title "Zeitgeist" for the album.

Billy & Jimmy producing the album.

mrlvx
01-18-2008, 08:23 PM
billy playing the national anthem in paris, spain..etc... :boooring.
i like united states(revolution blues) but hearing that makes me sick.
heheheh
lol

rolmos
01-18-2008, 08:32 PM
this list makes me think pumpkins fans are hard to please, or the smashing pumpkins suck.

+REP for getting the point.

BurtSampson
01-18-2008, 08:40 PM
You forgot about Billy singing Daydream.

DeviousJ
01-18-2008, 09:28 PM
bad music

Bingo!

ciGarski
01-18-2008, 09:55 PM
The title "Zeitgeist" for the album.


who the fuck complained about that? that was a sick title.

RenewRevive
01-18-2008, 11:23 PM
billy's love-in with rtb.

BrokenGourds
01-18-2008, 11:51 PM
Tarantoola

dustrock
01-19-2008, 12:56 AM
who the fuck complained about that? that was a sick title.

I'm pretty sure I remember people complaining about Billy's arrogance and how out of touch he was with current society. Also, fears that he might be making a "Political Album".

I'm just listing what I've read over the last year.

redbull
01-19-2008, 01:23 AM
yeah the zeitgeist title was bitched about

bja1288
01-19-2008, 01:30 AM
and the sub-par-even-i-could-photoshop-that-artwork

Frankenstein
01-19-2008, 01:32 AM
and the sub-par-even-i-could-photoshop-that-artwork

im out of touch with you

jjbjjbjjb
01-19-2008, 01:35 AM
Reforming the band
Playing shows that were too long
Playing too many hit singles during shows
Not playing enough hit singles during shows
Playing Glass and the Ghost Children
Playing Heavy Metal Machine
Playing Gossamer
Not playing (your song here)

Frankenstein
01-19-2008, 01:38 AM
Reforming the band
Playing shows that were too long
Playing too many hit singles during shows
Not playing enough hit singles during shows
Playing Glass and the Ghost Children
Playing Heavy Metal Machine
Playing Gossamer
Not playing (your song here)

all results of having way too many fans.

jjbjjbjjb
01-19-2008, 01:42 AM
all results of having way too many fans.

Having way too many fans
Trying to sell more records
Not selling very many records
Using the name "Smashing Pumpkins"
Not playing non-TSP songs (e.g., Zwan songs) in concert
Putting a funny price tag on Jeff's guitar
Pricing their merchandise

Frankenstein
01-19-2008, 01:43 AM
Having way too many fans
Trying to sell more records
Not selling very many records
Using the name "Smashing Pumpkins"
Not playing non-TSP songs (e.g., Zwan songs) in concert
Putting a funny price tag on Jeff's guitar
Pricing their merchandise

Being BPC

Frankenstein
01-19-2008, 01:43 AM
either way they rock 90 per cent of the time. therefor. you're lame

MistaMista1
01-19-2008, 01:45 AM
I think no one can complain about Zeitgeist title/cover after the clusterfuck debacle that was

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/699/hjfkze2.jpg

flyfire
01-19-2008, 01:45 AM
Being BPC

lot less grief if he was being WPC

Frankenstein
01-19-2008, 01:46 AM
I love machina. I have it on vinyl and cd

I think no one can complain about Zeitgeist title/cover after the clusterfuck debacle that was

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/699/hjfkze2.jpg

Frankenstein
01-19-2008, 01:47 AM
lot less grief if he was WPC

what? you dont like Billiam Patrick Corgan?

jjbjjbjjb
01-19-2008, 01:51 AM
Cancelling a show in Boise
Playing too many shows in Philadelphia
Planning two many-night stands in single cities on each coast
Referring to these many-night stands as "residencies"
Locating the East Coast residency in Asheville
Supposedly not fulfilling all aspects of their announced plan for the residencies

MistaMista1
01-19-2008, 02:12 AM
I love machina. I have it on vinyl and cd

I like the music. The title should've been just Machina though and the cover was a horrendous choice for a band that

a. was trying to rejuvenate their career
b. had a pretty good history with picking good cover images

AndySlash
01-19-2008, 02:12 AM
Playing too many shows in Philadelphia

Considering the band's live repertoire at the time, not enough variety in sets at these shows.

Caine Walker
01-19-2008, 02:29 AM
oooooohhhh, you guys.

redbull
01-19-2008, 02:54 AM
can we add fanboys/fangirls/hipstersunited annoyingly pro-corgan stance to list?

TumoraXsault
01-19-2008, 03:50 AM
I remember having front row to the Boston show and screaming out during a down time in the concert, "release the metro!" In which corgan gave me a dirty look...it was priceless

TumoraXsault
01-19-2008, 03:51 AM
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/699/hjfkze2.jpg

Btw, i love how you spelt Machines wrong, even though its right on the album cover :rolleyes:

MistaMista1
01-19-2008, 03:53 AM
Because I so didn't notice that.

TumoraXsault
01-19-2008, 03:57 AM
if you noticed, why didn't you fix it?

MistaMista1
01-19-2008, 04:02 AM
Its like teh b0lly. Intentional internet-speak misspellings for the purpose of humor.

THANKZ 4 RUINING MY JOKE.

TumoraXsault
01-19-2008, 04:08 AM
no prob

ciGarski
01-19-2008, 04:38 AM
i can't think of any decision that was made without criticism. such is the position which corgan stands. everytime you hear him talk in person its just like "i can't make everyone happy, there'll always be songs i should and shouldn't play and things i should and shouldn't do/have done."

some "mistakes" seem obvious to us, but be that as it may, i couldn't blame corgan for thinking "ugh just fuck it im doing this and i can't win. the best i can do is believe in it."

wilch
01-19-2008, 04:46 AM
how aboot not letting the girls sing backing vocals on studio recordings?

didnt bitch about much else personally.

ciGarski
01-19-2008, 04:47 AM
what girls?

darthjul
01-19-2008, 04:47 AM
WHO THE FUCK HAD A GO AT JEFF'S CAPE?!? I'LL KILL THEM!





Seriously though, Jeff's cape deserves it's own thread.

mrlvx
01-19-2008, 04:50 AM
where the girls?

in
live recordings...

jimmy corgan 2008™ ©lol

ciGarski
01-19-2008, 04:53 AM
sooo you mean ginger, whom came after the zetigeist STUDIO recordings? exept for AG which came in 2008?

those girls?

mrlvx
01-19-2008, 05:06 AM
ajŠ. no more "million billy corgan choirs"
but the studio recordings are Ok. AG..:)

best 2008

ciGarski
01-19-2008, 05:08 AM
the million billy choir was mentioned in the first post of the thread you fuckin guy.

mrlvx
01-19-2008, 05:13 AM
lol

MisterSquishyHalo
01-19-2008, 05:37 AM
Teasing the fans by playing awesome songs in the soundcheck, and then not in the main sets.

Virex Kills
01-19-2008, 10:55 AM
The first 30 seconds of new SP music in 7 years sounded like Green Day.

morecowbell
01-19-2008, 12:16 PM
capris

ciGarski
01-19-2008, 12:40 PM
capris

http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon14.gif
http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon14.gif
http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon14.gif

absolutely.

ciGarski
01-19-2008, 12:40 PM
lack of cocaine at the RTB sessions.

tcm
01-20-2008, 02:42 AM
"soul"

Mariner
01-20-2008, 03:51 AM
I like the music. The title should've been just Machina though and the cover was a horrendous choice for a band that

a. was trying to rejuvenate their career



except they weren't trying to rejuvenate their career at that point.

as for the specific image chosen for the cover yeah it wasn't the best, but like it or not at least the machina artwork was well crafted and didn't look like an average 16 year old with a few years of photoshop under their belt cooked it up

flyfire
01-20-2008, 07:16 AM
what? you dont like Billiam Patrick Corgan?

Corgan will never be a Billiam

wearing scarves in july/august
ginger's [lack of] on stage presence

The New
01-20-2008, 07:44 AM
hand gestures

???
01-20-2008, 07:58 AM
The first 30 seconds of new SP music in 7 years sounded like Green Day.

couldn't agree more.