I was thinking about this the other day, and seeing that I'm unlikely to be owning it any time soon, I'd really like to see some good pics of the gatefold inlay and the booklet it came with. It must be a really nice package, shame it goes for so much on ebay.

it is pretty nice, too bad i don't have mine anymore

I saw one once. My buddy had one back in the day.

heres a link to a few pics i saw on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/3LP-Smashing-Pumpkins-Mellon-Collie-NEW-UNPLAYED_W0QQitemZ280190079740QQihZ018QQcategoryZ3 06QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(i am not selling or trying to promote this item)

however. as an owner of an unopened mcis 3lp, its comforting to know i can get at least $200 for it!:smoke:

i've opened mine, listened to it, and enjoyed it. i'm like that with colectables though- i have a bunch of action figures that i played with. if i kept them in their packaging, i'd be swimming in it.

hey spkid- greetings from down the nys thruway- i'm your upstate ny neighbor.

I don`t get it, several seller on ebay have come up lately with a new version that doesn`t have the white box with or without the number and claim it`s a reissue.

Just like this one:
http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/d0/8a/0d99_1.JPG

But apart from ebay there`s nothing to find about such a reissue.

So I assume these new versions floating around on ebay are bootlegs?

They should start releasing CD's with the same packaging as records....

They do, kinda. They're called digipacks.

<img src="http://www.tripledisc.com/assets/Digipak-8-panel.gif">

anybody remember what packaging cds came in during their early days?
they came in boxes that were really long, i'm googling for an image, with no luck at the moment!

They should start releasing CD's with the same packaging as records....

They do, kinda. They're called digipacks.

<img src="http://www.tripledisc.com/assets/Digipak-8-panel.gif">


Oh, I've seen those before.

Now it just has to be about twice as big and I'll be satisfied.

anybody remember what packaging cds came in during their early days?
they came in boxes that were really long, i'm googling for an image, with no luck at the moment!

Long? Never heard of 'em.

The oldest CD I had (Neil Young Harvest Moon) came with those instructions on how to clean them and how they would get ruined if used on a turntable. The plastic was very good and thick,unlike the ones that come out nowadays.

I don`t get it, several seller on ebay have come up lately with a new version that doesn`t have the white box with or without the number and claim it`s a reissue.

Just like this one:
http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/d0/8a/0d99_1.JPG

But apart from ebay there`s nothing to find about such a reissue.

So I assume these new versions floating around on ebay are bootlegs?

i got one of those. (well, someone was nice enough to get it for me. i normally don't spend any money on bootlegs, but in this case i wanted to check it out for myself. and it wasn't as expensive as the ones on ebay, so.)

there are a lot of small differences between the official release (with the white box) and this "re-release" without the white box. there are little color differences everywhere. the labels have the same text, but are also labeled with an extra letter (from A to D, indicating the six different sides). the matrix numbers are different. in fact, the whole pressing is different: the grooves don't look the same. new pressing plates were made to create this "reissue". the book and the inner sleeves are made of very white paper. and so on...

basically, none of these differences necessarily makes this a bootleg. but if you add them up, and take into account that these only recently started popping up (most of them in the netherlands), without any word from the record company about this re-release, i think it's safe to assume that this is a bootleg. a very well made bootleg, but still, nothing official.

to me it looks like someone with the right equipment made scans of all the artwork and did the best they could to reproduce it. the result is close to the original. i think if you don't have the original, most people wouldn't even notice.

i haven't listened to the entire album, but i checked some songs already and i didn't immediately notice a quality problem.
a quality problem could give it away as a bootleg. but once again, nothing convincing here. very well made.

i've also seen a couple of yellow vinyl mcis 3lps showing up on ebay recently. my guess is that this is the same bootleg, only on yellow vinyl now.
(compare with the machina promo 12" bootlegs: i think there's three different ones of them. all on one vinyl, incomplete, but with the same tracklisting, one of them is even a picture disc.)

anybody remember what packaging cds came in during their early days?
they came in boxes that were really long, i'm googling for an image, with no luck at the moment!

i have a gish cd that comes in a longbox.

pictures here: http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=1628

I was thinking about this the other day, and seeing that I'm unlikely to be owning it any time soon, I'd really like to see some good pics of the gatefold inlay and the booklet it came with. It must be a really nice package, shame it goes for so much on ebay.

here are some pics: http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=1100
it's not much, but it's something.

They should start releasing CD's with the same packaging as records....

they do. david bowie's heathen has been released on cd in a 12" gatefold sleeve, for example.

They were called long boxes, it was a lame attempt to prevent theft. Somewhere around 1990 there was a huge consumer backlash about the waste of paper caused by the extra useless packaging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longbox

heres a link to a few pics i saw on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/3LP-Smashing-Pumpkins-Mellon-Collie-NEW-UNPLAYED_W0QQitemZ280190079740QQihZ018QQcategoryZ3 06QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(i am not selling or trying to promote this item)
this is a fake one. don't pay $200 for it.

Thanks for your answer, I also noticed the auctions with the yellow vinyl and assumed that someone or several people just made this reissue on their own.

i keep asking the seller(s) for pictures of the yellow vinyls, but they never send any. :(

i keep asking the seller(s) for pictures of the yellow vinyls, but they never send any. :(

same here

hey spkid- greetings from down the nys thruway- i'm your upstate ny neighbor.

greetings to you as well :) ever been to ithaca?

actually no. one of my good friends went to Cornell, but i never made a visit. i kinda feel shitty about it because she visited me @ Buffalo.

i've been around in central ny tho- syracuse, auburn, and so on.

thats cool...ithaca is quite beautiful though, def worth visiting sometime

so anyone have a guess how much a sealed 3lp is worth that is not numbered but has the white box on the front?

They were called long boxes, it was a lame attempt to prevent theft. Somewhere around 1990 there was a huge consumer backlash about the waste of paper caused by the extra useless packaging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longbox

Longboxes were used because they allowed CDs to be sold in the same bins as vinyl. By themselves, CDs were too short to be visible. Longboxes were used to make them taller.

This made it easier for retailers to sell both side-by-side without having to invest in separate shelf-space for CDs.

ithaca is lovely

SO IF YOU CAN GET A LATE PRESSING FOR $200us, HOW MUCH FOR A NUMBERED AND SIGNED ONE?

one million dollars

one million dollars

it only works if you use capitals.

Cheers for that CAIC. Looks like a nicely presented release and no mistake.

here are some pictures that compare the numbered release with the mysterious new version without white box.

the numbered version is always on top.

note how the colors are never the same. usually they're a bit more yellowish. it makes the band members look like they have some liver disease.

as mentioned earlier: the book is printed on very white paper. i don't think the original numbered and unnumbered versions ever looked so white.

the inner sleeves are also different: the original releases had sleeves with some plastic (?) on the inside (anti-static or something). this new version has inner sleeves made of just paper.

http://users.telenet.be/crush/images/mcis-sleeve-front.jpg

http://users.telenet.be/crush/images/mcis-sleeve-back.jpg

http://users.telenet.be/crush/images/mcis-sleeve-inside.jpg

http://users.telenet.be/crush/images/mcis-book-front.jpg

http://users.telenet.be/crush/images/mcis-book-inside.jpg

http://users.telenet.be/crush/images/mcis-vinyls.jpg

i found a tiny picture of the yellow vinyl bootleg on ebay.

http://i22.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/d6/f0/6c62_1.JPG

well i bought my "fake" mellon collie vinyl for 20 € on amazon - and the sound is good - as well as the design (well there is no number)
so even if it's not an offical release i'm pleased with it
looks and sounds real - that's all i wanted

http://users.telenet.be/crush/images/mcis-sleeve-back.jpg


I actually really dig this tracklisting and each disc's heading. I am going to listen to all the tracks in that order today. It's been a while since I've listened to MCIS. hooray!

I do have a question, however. What is "infinite sadness" (track 5 of "Starlight")? I know "tonite reprise" happens at the end of one of the songs on the CD (farewell and goodnight?) but I didn't know there was another thing. Can j00 guyz tell me?

infinite sadness is off of mashed potatoes. You can get it off Itunes nowadays.

I can't tell if you seriously don't know what it is or not.

I know "tonite reprise" happens at the end of one of the songs on the CD (farewell and goodnight?)
what?

tonite reprise is a b-side of tonight, tonight. (http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=156)
infinite sadness is a previously unreleased track. but it can be found on mashed potatoes, where it was still called mellon collie. (http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=282)

both tracks have also been released on itunes and such: http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=2024

infinite sadness is off of mashed potatoes. You can get it off Itunes nowadays.

I can't tell if you seriously don't know what it is or not.

what?

tonite reprise is a b-side of tonight, tonight. (http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=156)
infinite sadness is a previously unreleased track. but it can be found on mashed potatoes, where it was still called mellon collie. (http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=282)

both tracks have also been released on itunes and such: http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx?page=COLLDETAILS&item=2024


Oh ok. Yeah, I see, I got mixed up. Let me explain so I at least don't look like a COMPLETE idiot. :)

The first piano track, "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness", appears again as a "reprise" (at least in the MCIS tab book) at the end of Farewell and Goodnight (at about 3:29).

I got that "reprise" mixed up with the title "Tonite Reprise". I have heard Tonite Reprise from the AFH Boxed Set that I borrowed from a friend years and years ago. It's been a long time so I was a little confused.

And to be honest, no, I've never heard "Infinite Sadness" before, as I don't think I've ever heard anything off Mashed Potatoes (and if I have I didn't realize it). But thanks for the links. A bunch!



Edit: Also I don't use itunes, have never purchased music from itunes, and don't have $100 on me for "Rarities & B-sides" so I'll just have to wait. :) Thanks, again, though.

CAIC thanks for clearing up the info on the "new bootleg edition". Bastards.

Edit: Also I don't use itunes, have never purchased music from itunes, and don't have $100 on me for "Rarities & B-sides" so I'll just have to wait. :) Thanks, again, though.
you can buy the tracks separately for .99 each.
and i believe they're not just on itunes. other online stores carry these songs too.

CAIC thanks for clearing up the info on the "new bootleg edition". Bastards.

quick guide:
http://users.telenet.be/crush/images/mcis3lp-small.jpg

http://i21.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/df/0d/bc01_1.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/SMASHING-PUMPKINS-MELLON-COLLIE-3LP-RARE-YELLOW-VINYL_W0QQitemZ250224378716QQihZ015QQcategoryZ306Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638 .m122#ebayphotohosting

There's a lot of talk about the differences in the look of the official and bootleg versions, but how does the sound quality compare? Where were the bootlegs sourced from? Any techies done a comparison between the two?

do we know for sure that its an illegal boot and not just a repressing to cash in on whatever publicity the pumpkins name is getting? I just picked up a new repressing of SD at reckless for like 12 bucks.

Don't forget about "Mellon Collie Reprise" at the end of "Ruby"

Don't forget about "Mellon Collie Reprise" at the end of "Ruby"
that part fucking kicks ass

There's a lot of talk about the differences in the look of the official and bootleg versions, but how does the sound quality compare? Where were the bootlegs sourced from? Any techies done a comparison between the two?

Without physically comparing, you could assume the pressing plates for these bootlegs are made from CDs as they would not have access to the master tapes. It may "sound" clean but its most likely just a copy of the CD transferred on to vinyl.

I can't believe I forgot the LP's have a different tracklisting.

The MCIS vinyl bootleg isn't just available on ebay, but in shops too. Last week I saw one hanging out in this vinyl store, I got very excited but then I saw it was a bootleg being sold for 60€. Also, this guy sells these bootlegs daily 'cause I see new copies of it every week, pretty sad if you're a collector.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SMASHING-PUMPKINS-Mellon-Collie-Red-Vinyl-3LP-Rare_W0QQitemZ230239458354QQihZ013QQcategoryZ1593Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There also appears to be a red bootleg version floating about now...

ithaca is lovely


ithaca is gorges

Don't forget about "Mellon Collie Reprise" at the end of "Ruby"

My favorite moment on MCIS.

I just found out I have a fake version. : [

I found it at amoeba back in 2002 in sf.

I just found out I have a fake version. : [

I found it at amoeba back in 2002 in sf.

:eek: so long ago?

can you post pictures of your copy?

haha, i didn't see that coming.

fuck off, dicky.

:D

i know where you live! (london, england)

you better get to the bottom of this, ass cream. if you pardon the pun.

whoa, this is nuts. i had no idea they were so valuable now. the MCIS 3LP is the first vinyl i ever bought whilst visiting my brother in college when i was 16. we were in denver but i'm from Iowa, i found it at a dark artsy record store and bought it with my mother for $15. how about that.

shit, that bootleg sounds awful. cheers.

There's a lot of talk about the differences in the look of the official and bootleg versions, but how does the sound quality compare? Where were the bootlegs sourced from? Any techies done a comparison between the two?

Without physically comparing, you could assume the pressing plates for these bootlegs are made from CDs as they would not have access to the master tapes. It may "sound" clean but its most likely just a copy of the CD transferred on to vinyl.

samples of the official and fake vinyls are available here: http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=159282

i think it's fair to assume that the fake vinyl isn't cd sourced, but sourced from an official vinyl. on some songs it indeed sounds very bad.

This is possibly the most interesting SP-related thread that's been on here in a long while.