View Full Version : New (radio)single: Neverlost


Cool As Ice Cream
01-11-2008, 02:13 AM
Neverlost has been announced as the new Smashing Pumpkins single this morning on the Flemish/Belgian radio station Studio Brussel (www.stubru.be).

jjbjjbjjb
01-11-2008, 02:15 AM
Neverlost has been announced as the new Smashing Pumpkins single this morning on the Flemish/Belgian radio station Studio Brussel (www.stubru.be).

False, but it's fun to pretend.

Cool As Ice Cream
01-11-2008, 02:17 AM
No, I'm serious. I wouldn't have made the thread otherwise. Stubru isn't the kind of radio station that "invents" its singles (cfr. some American station who added Bring the Light to their playlist).

jjbjjbjjb
01-11-2008, 02:20 AM
No, I'm serious. I wouldn't have made the thread otherwise. Stubru isn't the kind of radio station that "invents" its singles (cfr. some American station who added Bring the Light to their playlist).

I'm just playing...Neverlost...ON THE RADIO

;)

Cool As Ice Cream
01-11-2008, 02:24 AM
to teh eBay! (for the promo cd-r)

cork_soaker
01-11-2008, 02:34 AM
*snags light-purple version with alternate sticker*

jjbjjbjjb
01-11-2008, 02:55 AM
[searches for watermarked premaster]

smashapumpkin
01-11-2008, 03:31 AM
cool cool cool

MonteLDS
01-11-2008, 03:41 AM
wow, Neverlost? I thought the Z-Train was done. But then again I don't listen to the radio..

I don't see how Neverlost was made as radio single though. I wonder if Corgan made that call, I know he said it is his fav song off the album. I don't think it cares the energy that Bring the Lights could of or even better Bleeding the Orchid....

Cool As Ice Cream
01-11-2008, 04:00 AM
could HAVE.

BABY_i
01-11-2008, 06:26 AM
Superchrist as a B-side perhaps or is it radio only?

Mablak
01-11-2008, 06:33 AM
Netphoria's logo needs to be changed to 'false, but it's fun to pretend'

The Melty Man
01-11-2008, 06:52 AM
Balls. They always seem to put out album songs that aren't single material as singles and leave the good single material on the album. I.e. Starz.

Cool As Ice Cream
01-11-2008, 06:59 AM
Superchrist as a B-side perhaps or is it radio only?

i assume it's radio only.

Rickpat12
01-11-2008, 10:29 AM
Hm if it weren't maybe this is where we'd se FA Stomp?

...it's fun to pretend

*placed for good measure*

skipgo
01-11-2008, 10:33 AM
this is a case where i just don't understand the hate. What is it about Neverlost that so many people dislike? I can see monte's point about it not having the same energy as some of the other songs, but it's got (to my ears) a good melody that keeps it in my head long after the song ends. (not that there's a lot of hate in this thread (yet), but there's still a lot of it for this song, generally).

Pizza Club
01-11-2008, 10:38 AM
Neverlost is the best song on Zeitgeist.

daevil1
01-11-2008, 10:43 AM
It has a very relaxing melody plus the guitar solo is awesome! I can see it being a single for some reason.

skipgo
01-11-2008, 10:44 AM
if nothing else, these are the best vocals on Zeitgeist.

Mo
01-11-2008, 10:44 AM
Neverlost is pretty good, but probably not the best radio material. Oh boy.

Skradgee
01-11-2008, 12:01 PM
strictly average. it's a C grade single.

MonteLDS
01-11-2008, 12:02 PM
strictly average. it's a C grade single.

like try try try..

i don't know why Bleeding The Orchid wasn't chosen

i_adore_adore
01-11-2008, 12:11 PM
i adore neverlost, so this makes me happy

(not that I think it'll make much of a difference personally, and I don't even listen to the radio, but still...)

dustrock
01-11-2008, 01:01 PM
I'm happy they're releasing another single, but kinda surprised at the choice.

I thought after That's the Way, they would release Orchid or Bring the Light.

This is the record company's choice, correct?

skipgo
01-11-2008, 01:08 PM
i think it will be interesting to see how this one performs in the public eye. I think we as SP fans tend to look at the songs differently than the average listener. We dissect it, we compare it to other stuff, we talk about production choices and layered vocals. The average listener or casual fan will take it for what it is and not weigh it down with all the extra baggage. Of course, seeing how the other singles went over, I'm still not expecting much for this one.

Twineball
01-11-2008, 01:37 PM
I'm not much of a Neverlost fan. I don't hate it, but it was definitely the low point of the show I saw. It's kind of boring, in my mind.

dustrock
01-11-2008, 01:49 PM
i think it will be interesting to see how this one performs in the public eye. I think we as SP fans tend to look at the songs differently than the average listener. We dissect it, we compare it to other stuff, we talk about production choices and layered vocals. The average listener or casual fan will take it for what it is and not weigh it down with all the extra baggage. Of course, seeing how the other singles went over, I'm still not expecting much for this one.

I guess some of their more "acoustic" singles were some of their most popular (Disarm, Tonight, 1979), but I can't see Neverlost being a huge hit.

I'm not sure the Pumpkins will ever have a huge radio hit again; I think (maybe in hindsight) it's pretty surprising they dominated the charts in the mid-90s.

RenewRevive
01-11-2008, 01:51 PM
:hanging:

smashkin33
01-11-2008, 01:55 PM
this single will cause a surge in xylaphone sales. ? maybe?

Pizza Club
01-11-2008, 02:04 PM
this single will cause a surge in xylaphone sales. ? maybe?

It's actually a marimba, but close.

skipgo
01-11-2008, 02:08 PM
one of my favorite bands has a marimba :) (aloha)

mayday
01-11-2008, 02:08 PM
i dont think it's the best choice for a radio single

skipgo
01-11-2008, 02:12 PM
i don't think anything on Z is a great choice for a single; not in 2008.

rest of the world to smashing pumpkins:
no one care.

smashkin33
01-11-2008, 02:16 PM
It's actually a marimba, but close.
i didn't pay attention in school :blush:

waltermcphilp
01-11-2008, 02:16 PM
one of my favorite bands has a marimba :) (aloha)

i downloaded those albums someone uploaded in that thread on the music board. i must say i rather enjoyed them, especially 'thats your fire'

jimmy drevpile
01-11-2008, 02:17 PM
i don't even listen to the radio

Cherub Angel
01-11-2008, 02:23 PM
I like that song, probably my favorite on the record, but I don't think it's a radio single.

Mariner
01-11-2008, 02:26 PM
It's actually a marimba, but close.

no, not close; dumbass didn't even spell 'xylophone' correctly





I think (maybe in hindsight) it's pretty surprising they dominated the charts in the mid-90s.

no, not surprising; those songs were really, really good.

smashkin33
01-11-2008, 02:31 PM
no, not close; dumbass didn't even spell 'xylophone' correctly

why should i give a shit how some random instrument is spelled. this isn't school.

Mariner
01-11-2008, 02:33 PM
yeah but life is about not being that blatantly stupid. "xylaphone." are you aping a four year old or trying to sound autistic?

smashkin33
01-11-2008, 02:36 PM
yes, you got me. i'm stoopid because i couldn't spell a semi-obscure word i never use. i'll be sure to spell check my netphoria messages in the future, no wait i won't, because then what people have anything to complain about.

xezton
01-11-2008, 02:39 PM
no, not close; dumbass didn't even spell 'xylophone' correctly







no, not surprising; those songs were really, really good.

why should i give a shit how some random instrument is spelled. this isn't school.

yeah but life is about not being that blatantly stupid. "xylaphone." are you aping a four year old or trying to sound autistic?

yes, you got me. i'm stoopid because i couldn't spell a semi-obscure word i never use. i'll be sure to spell check my netphoria messages in the future, no wait i won't, because then what people have anything to complain about.


((((((:())))))

smashkin33
01-11-2008, 02:40 PM
are you spider hugging me? if you are, thanks my friend!
pat me on the head too, so i feel self worth.

dustrock
01-11-2008, 02:47 PM
i don't think anything on Z is a great choice for a single; not in 2008.

rest of the world to smashing pumpkins:
no one care.

true. I hope Billy understands that he doesn't have to have radio hits to be a legitimate artist. Oh wait.

xezton
01-11-2008, 02:51 PM
are you spider hugging me? if you are, thanks my friend!
pat me on the head too, so i feel self worth.

You got it! You can thank Mayday for the spiderhug inspiration.


In the style of Mayday, I shall now pat you on the head:

:blush:|--===

MistaMista1
01-11-2008, 03:00 PM
It aint official til its on wikipedia.

darcyismybass
01-11-2008, 04:25 PM
Neverlost should have been the second single. It's the only thing close to sounding like an actual Pumpkins song on Zeitgeist.

T&T
01-11-2008, 05:24 PM
i don't think anything on Z is a great choice for a single; not in 2008.

rest of the world to smashing pumpkins:
no one care.

true. I hope Billy understands that he doesn't have to have radio hits to be a legitimate artist. Oh wait.
I care
i look forward to this song being a single
it's one of my favorite

skipgo
01-11-2008, 05:26 PM
I care
i look forward to this song being a single
it's one of my favorite

i meant the rest of the world, as in, people who aren't on netphoria or blamo or whatever.

Professor Fox
01-11-2008, 05:40 PM
It's actually a marimba, but close.

slow marimbas... (if you catch the reference)

redbull
01-11-2008, 05:41 PM
good song, but what a fucking awful choice for a single

ToEachesOwn
01-11-2008, 07:04 PM
good song, but what a fucking awful choice for a single

Yea, really. I don't find anything groundbreaking or catchy about it to make some DJ play it.

Gish08
01-11-2008, 10:27 PM
I'm kinda shocked that they didn't pick Bleeding the Orchid...

darcyismybass
01-11-2008, 10:33 PM
I'm kinda shocked that they didn't pick Bleeding the Orchid...

Oddly enough, this song sounds REALLY dated...well, to me anyway.

Gish08
01-11-2008, 10:54 PM
It just has a certain sonic texture to it that really reaches out and grabs the listener. The guitar tone is really gloomy yet profound. It kind of weaves in and out of the bass, and it's quite nice; I think it would make for a great single.

It also has an important message, if played on alt. rock stations at least.

Neverlost... I can't see many stations playing that. And it's not the Pumpkins' fault that mainstream radio is closed-minded, but they still have other singles that would get more plays, and Bleeding the Orchid is one of them. Zeitgeist is a great album and it deserves more attention, sadly I don't think Neverlost will do that for them.

Pheeew
01-11-2008, 11:25 PM
Neverlost is the best song on Zeitgeist.

False, but it's fun to pretend.

Patuquitos
01-12-2008, 07:39 AM
i think it will be interesting to see how this one performs in the public eye. I think we as SP fans tend to look at the songs differently than the average listener. We dissect it, we compare it to other stuff, we talk about production choices and layered vocals. The average listener or casual fan will take it for what it is and not weigh it down with all the extra baggage. Of course, seeing how the other singles went over, I'm still not expecting much for this one.

I think there's no public eye for Billy anymore. SP hardcore fans (I would say I'm one of them in the sense that, although I can be critical, I tend to like the vast majority of the stuff Billy puts out).

As much as I like Neverlost and as much as I love this band, I hate to admit that Billy is a great unknown in 2008, and releasing 'Neverlost' as the next single is another nail in the coffin of Billy's popularity.

As you've put out, the average listener will take 'Neverlost' for what it is, and I can't picture the average listener going crazy to 'Neverlost'... if he ever gets to hear it anyway... It's a great song for me, but it's not single material at all.

To put it short: I agree with you because I would be interested in the reaction to 'Neverlost' by a casual listener too, but I don't think it's going to be any, for there is no interest in SP anymore except the fans.

darcyismybass
01-12-2008, 12:27 PM
what a shit choice - i hope this news is incorrect, but it wouldnt surprise me if its true. fuck you billy. i cant believe they aint released 7 shades as a single.

7 Shades is a fucking joke...

IWishIWasBlank
01-12-2008, 12:58 PM
I would prefer Orchid as a single.

i_adore_adore
01-12-2008, 01:38 PM
Pomp should be a single.

Gossamer
01-12-2008, 01:44 PM
This is far and away the worst SP single of all time.

It's the worst song on Zeitgeist with the worst vocal takes I've ever heard Billy do.

i_adore_adore
01-12-2008, 02:23 PM
I love his vocals, but that's just me :)

Honestly though, I don't think it matters at this point what the single is. They'll all be a commercial failure equally. I mean, not that I care. Radio sucks where I live.

osamy
01-12-2008, 10:02 PM
I love Neverlost - it hearkens to some of the quirkier Mellon Collie tunes - but I could only imagine it as a single if "Zeitgeist" had been commercially successful. "Bring the Light" may be simple, but goddamn it's grown on me to the point that I can't help but think how stupid it was NOT to release it as a single. Had "Tarantula" and "Bring the Light" been back-to-back singles, the album would have had much more momentum.

i_adore_adore
01-12-2008, 10:09 PM
How is "bring the light" simple?

T&T
01-12-2008, 10:16 PM
so has this actually happened?

ChaosEffect
01-13-2008, 01:02 PM
How is "bring the light" simple?

Because he says "Bring teh Light" a lot. Other than that, the song really isn't.

ChaosEffect
01-13-2008, 01:04 PM
Could this be a move in which Billy really wants to move in the direction of acoustic or simpler music? Or at least his version of acoustic music anyway?

ciGarski
01-13-2008, 01:17 PM
I love his vocals, but that's just me :)

Honestly though, I don't think it matters at this point what the single is. They'll all be a commercial failure equally. I mean, not that I care. Radio sucks where I live.

define commerical failure, i adore adore. i'd love to hear your version of it.

i_adore_adore
01-13-2008, 03:37 PM
Well, I've seen about one more SP shirt at my high school since the reunion, and still most people I mention them to say, "Who? Is that a band?" I have yet to hear any SP song on the radio (not including satellite), after the first week it slid off the charts like a brick.

All this stuff is irrelevent. I love Zeitgeist, I'm glad the reunion happened, etc. I'm just saying, as far as I know it hasn't done much to put SP back on the map.

Twineball
01-13-2008, 03:49 PM
Except that it's not really a "reunion."

ciGarski
01-13-2008, 03:56 PM
Well, I've seen about one more SP shirt at my high school since the reunion, and still most people I mention them to say, "Who? Is that a band?" I have yet to hear any SP song on the radio (not including satellite), after the first week it slid off the charts like a brick.

All this stuff is irrelevent. I love Zeitgeist, I'm glad the reunion happened, etc. I'm just saying, as far as I know it hasn't done much to put SP back on the map.

from the day tarantula was released till a few weeks ago when i quit working for the winter, thus having no reason to listen to radio, they received airplay absolutely every day i was listening. from tarantula or thats the way. in fact my friend said the radio played the shit out of thats the way and ruined it for him.

i have a 16 year old cousin, and she talks to me about music and how hard it is for her to like the bands she does, like the pumpkins because her cohorts listen to such terrible garbage.

if success is appealing to 15 year old hormonal girls and guys that are getting of on pete wentz and the celebrity nation then im pretty sure i don't my pumpkins to be apart of that. by any means.

i_adore_adore
01-13-2008, 04:18 PM
if success is appealing to 15 year old hormonal girls and guys that are getting of on pete wentz and the celebrity nation then im pretty sure i don't my pumpkins to be apart of that. by any means.

When did I ever say I did want that? I never said it was a bad thing that I don't see my friends wearing Pumpkins shirts, but yes, I consider it a commercial failure that I've never seen either of their new videos on MTV/Vh1 and that I haven't their songs on the radio. This could certainly be the local radio stations' faults, but hey man... I'm just telling you that at my high school, Zeitgeist is just as unknown as any of their previous albums. Not once did I say that was a bad thing.

brendo_91
01-13-2008, 09:11 PM
i love neverlost, and it's the most pumpkins song on zeitgeist.

smashapumpkin
01-13-2008, 09:53 PM
as far as I know it hasn't done much to put SP back on the map.

that is because youre nowhere near the map

i_adore_adore
01-13-2008, 09:57 PM
EXCUSE ME!?

I am the world. I am the child.

ciGarski
01-13-2008, 10:53 PM
lets go to the gen board i adore adore. we got plans for you.

xezton
01-13-2008, 11:40 PM
Talking about maps and shit...

SP created their own map and put themselves on it.



Zeitgeist is probably one of the strangest albums ever, to me. I like it. But god it's weird and just never seems to "fit" anywhere or anytime.

Except for that map they put themselves on.

ciGarski
01-14-2008, 12:12 AM
Talking about maps and shit...

SP created their own map and put themselves on it.



Zeitgeist is probably one of the strangest albums ever, to me. I like it. But god it's weird and just never seems to "fit" anywhere or anytime.

Except for that map they put themselves on.

fuck yeah dude.

xezton
01-14-2008, 12:38 AM
fuck yeah dude.

http://content.imagesocket.com/images/highfive0a9.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/highfive0a9.jpg)

i_adore_adore
01-14-2008, 04:06 PM
lets go to the gen board i adore adore. we got plans for you.

I don't know what you mean by this.

ciGarski
01-14-2008, 04:08 PM
i don't know what i meant either. im really weird sometimes. im sorry.

i_adore_adore
01-14-2008, 04:10 PM
Don't ever apologize for the way you are, cigarski.

ciGarski
01-14-2008, 04:20 PM
:cheers:

smashkin33
01-14-2008, 04:23 PM
yo, she's not old enough to drink, dawg.

i_adore_adore
01-14-2008, 04:30 PM
It's root beer.

ciGarski
01-14-2008, 04:35 PM
it is!

smashkin33
01-14-2008, 04:40 PM
iwishiwasblank will like your new avatar too

loser2d
01-14-2008, 04:43 PM
All of the sudden this one time the video for tarantula started to play on The N.

JuneSnow
01-14-2008, 05:15 PM
I live in NYC and hardly ever listen to the radio (other than NPR) because it's god-awful. However, every time I've heard an SP song on K-Rock lately it's been an old(er) song. Let's see...they've played Cherub Rock, 1979, Mayo, and Eye a few times. They did play the hell out of Tarantula when it first came out, though.

I vote for a 45 minute Gossamer single.

ciGarski
01-14-2008, 05:33 PM
i just saw the ford commercial.

i_adore_adore
01-14-2008, 06:01 PM
That commercial makes me laugh. Every time it comes on I get this big grin on my face, look at whatever family member happens to be in the living room, and point excitedly. Then they change the channel.

Good story.

smashapumpkin
01-14-2008, 07:37 PM
EXCUSE ME!?

I am the world. I am the child.

just a child

i_adore_adore
01-14-2008, 08:07 PM
I'm gonna have to give you negative rep if you don't stop being such a butt.

My Blue Heaven
01-14-2008, 09:06 PM
uh oh

hot in herre.

srt4b
01-14-2008, 10:38 PM
that is because youre nowhere near the map

lol

werd

Cool As Ice Cream
01-23-2008, 12:16 PM
So, has anyone else heard Neverlost on the radio recently?

I just checked the playlist of Studio Brussel (www.stubru.be) and they play it a couple of times per day, so for them it really is the new single. But I would find it a bit weird if they were the only one playing it.
Maybe it's a Europe only radio single, but even then others must have heard it by now, no?

MistaMista1
01-23-2008, 04:37 PM
Yeah I'm not really sure about all this talk of a new video but I'm not really buying this Neverlost = a single thing. Hate to keep referencing it but there's still no mention on wikipedia and they usually snap things like this up.