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rolmos
01-08-2008, 02:06 PM
I used the search option and couldn't find this. If this is a double post, blame Pakula.

http://www.mammothpress.com/index.php?area=readreview&pid=1270%EF%BF%BD

American Gothic EP
Smashing Pumpkins

Reviewed by: Aric Annear [Thu, January 03, 2008 @ 6:59:04 PM]

The utterly joyless chore of listening to even the four songs of this EP really makes you wonder when Billy Corgan is finally going to pack it in. This guy's come back in more incarnations than the Ford Mustang, and like the Mustang it's exponentially goofier every time. ("American Gothic"? Really? Did any amount of self-awareness go into making this disc?)

Corgan's usual tuneless whine seems tired, exhausted even for him, like someone harried him out of bed and in front of a microphone at 6am. The arrangements are pure Los Angeles arpeggio-verse-to-three-chord-chorus schlock, with uneccessary orchestral flourishes and 27 equally-muted guitar tracks showing a predictable grab of breadth over depth. "Rose March", the song clearly meant to carry the EP, shows a tiny blip of life but only in a Hollywood soundtrack kind of way--like Goo Goo Dolls' "Iris", it's aimed straight at the heart and wallet of your dumbass 14-yr-old sister.

There's a rumour that this guy used to play the guitar, not that you'd ever know it these days.

Rating: 2 out of 10
RIYL: aural masochism, carrying torches for washed-up has-beens, driving your sister to the mall

???
01-08-2008, 02:10 PM
ouch.

???
01-08-2008, 02:11 PM
or, alternatively

<img src="http://forums.netphoria.org/image.php?u=14010&dateline=1197238734">

waltermcphilp
01-08-2008, 02:11 PM
take that billy!

Patuquitos
01-08-2008, 02:14 PM
Although an excessively cruel and hatred-driven review, I kind of understand the message it tries to convey.

And I agree a bit.

Forgotten Child
01-08-2008, 02:17 PM
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_14783

3.5 great

pete
01-08-2008, 02:17 PM
"even for him"

guy was obviously never a fan, opinion is void.

T&T
01-08-2008, 02:19 PM
i miss Rolm0s

rolmos
01-08-2008, 02:22 PM
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review_14783

3.5 great

Corgan has a knack for ruining good things

Unfortunately, it sounds like Corgan was suffering from insomnia one night and began watching mind-numbing marathons of Night Court, and decided to record the vocals while lying on his couch, half awake, and petting his cat.

The Rose March, another highly-touted residency song was effectively murdered on this EP.

It's not perfect, it's an EP, but it's worth your money on iTunes. Don't even bother getting me started on the poor marketing games Corgan is playing with his fans right now.

This guy knows what he's talking about. He's probably from Netphoria.

r0lmos
01-08-2008, 02:23 PM
i miss Rolm0s

I miss you too.:love:

T&T
01-08-2008, 02:42 PM
poor marketing games Corgan is playing with his fans right nowi don't know why people play into this....
no one buys music anymore

skipgo
01-08-2008, 04:14 PM
i'm really not surprised in the least that this is getting crap reviews.

i_adore_adore
01-08-2008, 04:16 PM
Well, I like it *shrug*

SpFission
01-08-2008, 04:19 PM
i'm really not surprised in the least that this is getting crap reviews.

I am...because it's better than most of Zeitgeist.

JuneSnow
01-08-2008, 05:40 PM
Each of those reviews were completely unprofessional and *utterly* irrational.

This one is a bit more reasonable:

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/music/poprock/727814,SHO-Sunday-spins06.article

BurtSampson
01-08-2008, 05:41 PM
Owned...also, shut the hell up about the reviews being irrational if they hate the album. It sucks.

stephen_bayne
01-08-2008, 05:46 PM
Actually most of the reviews I've seen are positive for something released post Adore.

This Aric Annear bloke sounds like he's got his finger on the pulse... Meaning that he's jumped on the renewed and revived let's bash Bolly bandwagon est 1997.

Pretzel Logic
01-08-2008, 05:47 PM
There are only a few little things that I don't like American Gothic. If anyone rates the album any lower than a 5 out of 10 or an equivalent range is just jumping on the bandwagon and ripping apart Bill for the hell of it.

redbull
01-08-2008, 05:52 PM
There are only a few little things that I don't like American Gothic. If anyone rates the album any lower than a 5 out of 10 or an equivalent range is just jumping on the bandwagon and ripping apart Bill for the hell of it.
you like white stripes, VOID OPINON

JuneSnow
01-08-2008, 05:53 PM
Owned...also, shut the hell up about the reviews being irrational if they hate the album. It sucks.

Forgive me for not taking seriously a "review" by some half-wit punk wrapped up in his 16 year old bullshit teenage angst (was it written by someone on this board, perhaps?). "It sucks"--how insightful of you! It's like choosing the Post over the Times. Grow up.

somaziro
01-08-2008, 05:55 PM
There are only a few little things that I don't like American Gothic. If anyone rates the album any lower than a 5 out of 10 or an equivalent range is just jumping on the bandwagon and ripping apart Bill for the hell of it.

that is a stupid thing to say, different people enjoy different things in songs. there is nothing groundbreaking about the songs that would allow for a higher rating even if the songs actually ended up sucking, no innovation that people could say, well the songs kinda suck BUT xxxxxxxx is totally different so at least they were trying something innovative. so ya, anyway. people can rank it whatever they want and that doesn't nec. mean they are ripping on Bill, I like Bill and I wouldn't rank the EP a 5/10.

BurtSampson
01-08-2008, 05:58 PM
you like white stripes, VOID OPINON

Void Opinion? I've heard of them, didn't they play a month on Leno?

Forgive me for not taking seriously a "review" by some half-wit punk wrapped up in his 16 year old bullshit teenage angst (was it written by someone on this board, perhaps?). "It sucks"--how insightful of you! It's like choosing the Post over the Times. Grow up.

You're an idiot fanboy. Stop treating everything Bill does like fucking gold. Obviously your opinion is far better than anyone elses.

Mayfuck
01-08-2008, 06:03 PM
It's genuinely bad. At least that's what i've concluded. Sunkissed is the only good thing on it. Rose March is <i>nice</i> but pretty forgettable. I have no desire to listen to the other two songs. Some moments in these songs border pretty dangerously in adult contemporary/goo goo dolls territory of easy acoustic rock. his vocals are intolerable. i think this is billy's worst effort ever for a release. yes worse than zwan (which is okay), worse than tfe (which is actually good) worse than zeitgeist (half solid half mediocre).

but its just an ep so we'll see what he does in '08

Gish08
01-08-2008, 06:20 PM
All four songs are good.

darcyismybass
01-08-2008, 06:27 PM
It's pretty obvious that there are a lot of people who can't seem to detach their lips from Bill's ass, even in the face of this horrible EP. I'm just glad I didn't have to pay for it... You all should realize when something is genuinely bad...it shouldn't matter if it's BC who created it.

I think TFE was about half good, and so was MSOTS.

Pretzel Logic
01-08-2008, 06:31 PM
you like white stripes, VOID OPINON

Are you going to sit there and tell me you didn't like Icky Thump? White Blood Cells? Elephant?

redbull
01-08-2008, 06:33 PM
Are you going to sit there and tell me you didn't like Icky Thump? White Blood Cells? Elephant?

I tend to enjoy 1-2 songs per album from them.

JuneSnow
01-08-2008, 06:43 PM
Void Opinion? I've heard of them, didn't they play a month on Leno?



You're an idiot fanboy. Stop treating everything Bill does like fucking gold. Obviously your opinion is far better than anyone elses.


It should be noted that I never stated one way or the other whether or not I like the EP; in fact, how I feel about it is irrelevant to my argument. My entire argument was directed towards the way these particular reviews were written. It does, however, run deeper than that. I don't love everything Billy does just because Billy does it. I do, however, feel he is vastly under-appreciated, because we live in a close-minded, simpleton's society; a society which grows weary in its own laziness and cynical in its own selfishness. This does not go for just the Smashing Pumpkins or, for that matter, any musical matter. It is a general statement on a pretentious and juvenile society. People like or dislike, support or do not support things based on what they want it to be, not based on what it is .

redbull
01-08-2008, 06:46 PM
People like or dislike, support or do not support things based on what they want it to be, not based on what it is .

well it might help if billy hadn't spent the last 10 years pissing the press off.
just saying. he should be intelligent enough to know that.

redbull
01-08-2008, 06:47 PM
It should be noted that I never stated one way or the other whether or not I like the EP; in fact, how I feel about it is irrelevant to my argument.

you post about how much the terrible reviews suck and then praise a more positive one?

JuneSnow
01-08-2008, 06:52 PM
I'd like to alter my wording a bit. I said "like or dislike, support or do not support" but what I really should have said was "appreciate."

JuneSnow
01-08-2008, 06:56 PM
you post about how much the terrible reviews suck and then praise a more positive one?

I didn't praise it. I said it was more reasonable.

osamy
01-08-2008, 07:33 PM
I love Zeitgeist and I dig a good 3/4 of TFE.

That said, American Gothic feels lazy and is the first time a Corgan release has wholly disappointed me. I don't really understand people who dislike the vocals on Zeitgeist, but that's precisely my complaint of AG.

Chicago Songs, please.

Mablak
01-08-2008, 08:03 PM
Why was that surprised emoticon used for the title of this thread, it kind of leads you to believe that american gothic got good reviews, which would be the unexpected outcome.

Ramdust
01-08-2008, 08:23 PM
It kind of hurts seeing him get lambasted like that. On the other hand, Why the fuck does Billy release stuff like this and hold onto Djalizan/Spun/Chicago Songs/etc? After Zeitgeist failed miserably, THIS is what's supposed to help rebound SP?

Expect a 6 disc acoustic box set of unreleased material in a few years.

redbull
01-08-2008, 08:24 PM
It kind of hurts seeing him get lambasted like that. On the other hand, Why the fuck does Billy release stuff like this and hold onto Djalizan/Spun/Chicago Songs/etc? After Zeitgeist failed miserably, THIS is what's supposed to help rebound SP?

Expect <strike>a 6 disc acoustic box set of unreleased material</strike> another zeitgeist reissue in a few years.
<aglja>

Tribute2JohnnyB
01-08-2008, 08:35 PM
damn i thought it was way worse than Zeitgeist.....and I generally love his acoustic shtick.

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 08:35 PM
worse than tfe (which is actually good)

lol wut?

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 08:36 PM
It kind of hurts seeing him get lambasted like that. On the other hand, Why the fuck does Billy release stuff like this and hold onto Djalizan/Spun/Chicago Songs/etc? After Zeitgeist failed miserably, THIS is what's supposed to help rebound SP?

Expect a 6 disc acoustic box set of unreleased material in a few years.

how did zeitgeist fail miserably again?

Ramdust
01-08-2008, 08:36 PM
how did zeitgeist fail miserably again?

Well, I guess it's just my opinion, but I hear it as being about, generally, as "worse" or equal to TFE, which didn't knock my socks off. The albums seem to be getting progressively less interesting. This quote sums it up well...


In 2007, Smashing Pumpkins released Zeitgeist, the return-to-form album we've hoped for since the days of Adore

smashingjj
01-08-2008, 08:58 PM
It's fucking awful, that review is dead on.

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 09:03 PM
Well, I guess it's just my opinion, but I hear it as being about, generally, as "worse" or equal to TFE, which didn't knock my socks off. The albums seem to be getting progressively less interesting. This quote sums it up well...

i think its the most successful album corgan's put out since adore. record sales aside, considering thats an archaic method of judging musical success.

mayday
01-08-2008, 09:03 PM
i really like the ladadada's in the Rose March. but not so much the "ooh..."'s

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 09:05 PM
god as much as i try to stay away from making judgements about the bands efforts before hearing them, especially when it comes from netphoria, im having a tough time wanting to hear this.

mayday
01-08-2008, 09:06 PM
wanting to hear what?^

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 09:08 PM
american gothic.


especially it being coined an acoustic album, which i've always thought corgan never lost talent for writing, then hearing it got ruined by production again.

mayday
01-08-2008, 09:09 PM
you haven't listened to the songs yet?

my feeling is BC needs to make some changes. he is incredibly talented. but my feeling is that his energy is stuck. he's stuck. he needs to get un-stuck. there are lots of ways a person can go about doing this. he's very fixed to a point of it being very unhelpful to him, imo. i wish he'd lighten up and mix it up again. and have fun working with other people. how long is he going to let himself feel bad? =(

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 09:12 PM
no, crazy huh? i went home after the semester got over in december and i haven't been back to school since. bad things happened there, as you know, so i've been taking a vaction.

case in point, i haven't had a chance to get on my desktop to download it, and i really don't want to spend the money right now. plus its something nice to look forward to. or not.

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 09:13 PM
I'd like to alter my wording a bit. I said "like or dislike, support or do not support" but what I really should have said was "appreciate."

i like your user name

mayday
01-08-2008, 09:18 PM
no, crazy huh? i went home after the semester got over in december and i haven't been back to school since. bad things happened there, as you know, so i've been taking a vaction.

case in point, i haven't had a chance to get on my desktop to download it, and i really don't want to spend the money right now. plus its something nice to look forward to. or not.

oh ok. :)

Ramdust
01-08-2008, 09:23 PM
i think its the most successful album corgan's put out since adore. record sales aside, considering thats an archaic method of judging musical success.

I base success almost wholly on what I think of it, as, I am the listener. Ultimately that's all that should matter to any of us.

You really should at least try to listen to American Gothic before filling this thread, "American Gothic reviews", with your posts. Or, I'll just save you the the hassle. It's about as good as Zeitgeist. You'll love it.

i_adore_adore
01-08-2008, 09:25 PM
Personally, I think American Gothic was a HUGE disappointment until I got used to the fact that it's not a stripped-down acoustic album like I thought it would be. Its production is awful, yes. Just as bad or worse than Zeitgeist. But after a while, I really started to like all the songs.

I think you'll like it, cigarski. I dunno why.

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 09:25 PM
yeah ok.

edit: that was to ramdust not you, snookums.

i_adore_adore
01-08-2008, 09:31 PM
SNOOKUMS! You make me laugh.

JuneSnow
01-08-2008, 10:01 PM
i like your user name

Why, thank you. I already got a reputation comment from esty, noting how terrible he thinks it is.

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 10:04 PM
lol i wouldn't worry about that.

darcyismybass
01-08-2008, 10:11 PM
lol i wouldn't worry about that.

Yeah, it's just Esty.

Mayfuck
01-08-2008, 11:14 PM
oh man i just realized Again Again Again could pass off as Billy covering a Let It Come Down outtake. THATS HOW BAD IT IS

redbull
01-08-2008, 11:16 PM
Yeah, it's just Esty.

where is he, this board needs him again

SpFission
01-08-2008, 11:18 PM
lol i wouldn't worry about that.

You'll probably like Sunkissed and POX.

ciGarski
01-08-2008, 11:23 PM
uh uh girlfriend, you don't know me

SpFission
01-08-2008, 11:26 PM
uh uh girlfriend, you don't know me

If you end up liking them..what will you say then...biatccch

Cherub Angel
01-08-2008, 11:26 PM
you haven't listened to the songs yet?

my feeling is BC needs to make some changes. he is incredibly talented. but my feeling is that his energy is stuck. he's stuck. he needs to get un-stuck. there are lots of ways a person can go about doing this. he's very fixed to a point of it being very unhelpful to him, imo. i wish he'd lighten up and mix it up again. and have fun working with other people. how long is he going to let himself feel bad? =(

I think he needs to get away from RTB and bring back the Flood.

redbull
01-08-2008, 11:26 PM
he needs to get back on acid

tcm
01-08-2008, 11:27 PM
oh man i just realized Again Again Again could pass off as Billy covering a Let It Come Down outtake.

right on. the Let It Come Down b-sides are James's best material, and American Gothic is right up there with them.

skipgo
01-08-2008, 11:29 PM
i've decided the best thing for me is to ignore AG; just pretend it never happened and continue to wait on the next album. I'm hoping this is not indicative of any new direction for the band; I hope they've gotten whatever this was out of their system.

Rickpat12
01-08-2008, 11:29 PM
I think he needs to get away from RTB and bring back the Flood.

While he's at it...he should just recreate Siamese Dream AND Mellon Collie. Buddy, times have have past.

Cherub Angel
01-08-2008, 11:29 PM
also, he just needs to put songs out. At this point that's all we need. Put a bunch of songs on the website and let us go through them. Corgan has a lot of unreleased stuff we all know about, more stuff besides these four songs. Put them out!

Rickpat12
01-08-2008, 11:31 PM
i've decided the best thing for me is to ignore AG; just pretend it never happened and continue to wait on the next album. I'm hoping this is not indicative of any new direction for the band; I hope they've gotten whatever this was out of their system.

Wow Skipgo, I was agreeing with you like none other in the Kurt/Courtney thread and I couldn't disagree with you more here. I actually love the direction thay have in Sunkissed and I wouldn't minda few new tracks to have the same direction. However, as always, opinions are those of the beholder.

Cherub Angel
01-08-2008, 11:34 PM
While he's at it...he should just recreate Siamese Dream AND Mellon Collie. Buddy, times have have past.

fuck, I'm aware of that. I like AG, but I'm in agreement that the production needs work. Put it this way, we need someone as talented and anal retentive as Flood. I don't mind the songs as much as the production value.....I've been a fan for a while and this era is one of the first times I thought "huh, if they did less of this it would be better." Other albums I didn't see any blatant mistakes in the mix as I do on this cycle of songs. Corgan needs to let the Adore-era producer side of him out again. He did a great job on that album, I don't get why there are issues now.

SpFission
01-08-2008, 11:34 PM
Wow Skipgo, I was agreeing with you like none other in the Kurt/Courtney thread and I couldn't disagree with you more here. I actually love the direction thay have in Sunkissed and I wouldn't minda few new tracks to have the same direction. However, as always, opinions are those of the beholder.

Yeah, if Sunkissed was on Zeitgeist it would probably be a top 2 or 3 track.

skipgo
01-08-2008, 11:36 PM
i was hoping the new direction would be more in the line of Stellar I guess. Of course i knew this would be an "acoustic" album (somewhat, as it turns out), so I wasn't expecting that for the EP. (i didn't know what to expect, really). I think you're right though rickpat, it's all relative. I loved TFE and most people hated it, so I've been on the other side of the fence; I don't look at any of it as a failure, but this new release definitely doesn't do much for me. I bitched about it the first day or so, but I decided to follow Eulogy's advice and stop; it was annoying to read post after post after motherfucking post about how much certain people hated Z, so I'm trying not to be that person now.

Rickpat12
01-08-2008, 11:38 PM
fuck, I'm aware of that. I like AG, but I'm in agreement that the production needs work. Put it this way, we need someone as talented and anal retentive as Flood. I don't mind the songs as much as the production value.....I've been a fan for a while and I thought "huh, if they did less of this it would be better." Corgan needs to let the Adore-era producer side of him out again. He did a great job on that album, I don't get why there are issues now.

Yeha I hear ya, he did a great job with Adore, but in my opinion, after Mellon Collie and Adore/Machina, alittle of FLood came out of Billy. I think after working with him for so long, alittle of Flood's style came out in Billy's. Now I wouldn't go as far as saying Billy is as talented as Flood, however, I think it was time for a new stage, Just as Mellon Collie was a new stage to Butch's production.

skipgo
01-08-2008, 11:39 PM
I definitely think they need to find someone new when it's time to record the next one.

Rickpat12
01-08-2008, 11:42 PM
i was hoping the new direction would be more in the line of Stellar I guess. Of course i knew this would be an "acoustic" album (somewhat, as it turns out), so I wasn't expecting that for the EP. (i didn't know what to expect, really). I think you're right though rickpat, it's all relative. I loved TFE and most people hated it, so I've been on the other side of the fence; I don't look at any of it as a failure, but this new release definitely doesn't do much for me. I bitched about it the first day or so, but I decided to follow Eulogy's advice and stop; it was annoying to read post after post after motherfucking post about how much certain people hated Z, so I'm trying not to be that person now.

Hey and I'm all for that too, and good for you for not enjoying it. I see a big difference in your disenjoyment to the rest of the haters on this board and yours is like constructive critisism. And I must admit, a direction related to Stellar would be amazing (my favorite Zeitgeist era track by far) but a few Sunkissed mellow tracks would really set a mood on the next album. Imagine a Stellar track followed by a Sunkissed type track, I think that would really set a good soundscape. But hey, we shall see what Billy decides to suprise us with next.

Cherub Angel
01-08-2008, 11:44 PM
I definitely think they need to find someone new when it's time to record the next one.

I hope they do too. I said this in another post, but I think they got really star struck by RTB to a point where they let him do too much. Reason I bring up Flood is that it seems they really listened to Flood, but weren't star struck by him. Those are two very different things. Didn't Chamberlin say something about having Jon Brion produce the next Complex album? That could be interesting if SP went that route.

skipgo
01-08-2008, 11:44 PM
But hey, we shall see what Billy decides to suprise us with next.


i still have faith in him :)

Rickpat12
01-08-2008, 11:45 PM
I hope they do too. I said this in another post, but I think they got really star struck by RTB to a point where they let him do too much. Reason I bring up Flood is that it seems they really listened to Flood, but weren't star struck by him. Those are two very different things. Didn't Chamberlin say something about having Jon Brion produce the next Complex album? That could be interesting if SP went that route.

hmmm that does sound like a promising idea. But hey,we shall see.

Saih
01-08-2008, 11:48 PM
There was so much good shit out the Zwan era, TFE songs werent bad just poorly executed, but God damn I cannot stand most of the music he's produced since then.
Zeitgeist+AG are incredibly boring and emotionless. It happens to the best of them, Audiosound has so much musicial talent but everybody knows they suck, they've got no more creativity. Billy's in the same boat, his songs arent inspiring anymore, they're bland and go no where.
I'm not asking him to become an angry teenager/20-something kid and write me another Soma, but for fuck sake he managed to write some great stuff in 03-04 when he was in his late 30's.
I dont want to have to listen to his songs 500 times before its ingrained into my head and I start believing that I actually like the crap, I knowl something is good by the 1st or 2nd listen, Billy's songs dont grab me anymore like they used to.
The review in the OP is spot on in my opinion.

Corgan Rules
01-08-2008, 11:51 PM
It's genuinely bad. At least that's what i've concluded. Sunkissed is the only good thing on it. Rose March is <i>nice</i> but pretty forgettable. I have no desire to listen to the other two songs. Some moments in these songs border pretty dangerously in adult contemporary/goo goo dolls territory of easy acoustic rock. his vocals are intolerable. i think this is billy's worst effort ever for a release. yes worse than zwan (which is okay), worse than tfe (which is actually good) worse than zeitgeist (half solid half mediocre).

but its just an ep so we'll see what he does in '08

You guys just don't know how to appreciate new music from your favorite artist. You all used to sit and bitch about him not coming up with enough new music and now you guys bitch saying the music isn't good. If you guys are true pumpkins fans, you should be happy that they are still making music and probably will be doing this for a long long time. Trust me, there music will only be getting better and better. They have a great dynamic now and they are building off of it.

To me these songs were songs Billy thought were good, but just not good enough for an upcoming release. We should be happy that they he didn't burry them in his music vault with a lot of other unreleased music. If he keeps this up, we might get a lot of music released in the next several years. I just want to keep hearing new music from Billy and the Pumpkins. The new Pumpkins are totaly workaholics and they are going to make some damn good songs. You all just wait! Billy still has a masterpiece left in him. The more music he puts out, the closer he comes to getting closer to that point.

I really like these songs alot! Not my favorites, but very much quality music. That's all we can/should ask for. My favorite is the Rose March followed by Again, Again, Again. So far, my least favorite is POX.

Rickpat12
01-08-2008, 11:54 PM
i still have faith in him :)

:rockon: :cheers:

Corgan Rules
01-08-2008, 11:57 PM
I love Zeitgeist and I dig a good 3/4 of TFE.

That said, American Gothic feels lazy and is the first time a Corgan release has wholly disappointed me. I don't really understand people who dislike the vocals on Zeitgeist, but that's precisely my complaint of AG.

Chicago Songs, please.


It's because they are acoustic and experimental. If you like Zeitgeist Im suprised you dont like these. I just like billys music....some more than others. I just find a way to appreciate the songs. These aren't his best songs no doubt and there is a reason why these weren't put on a LP release. Billy tries to give his fans new music and I appreciate him doing so. Most stuff we will like and some we won't. That's the way it goes. Id rather have him doing this and bringing out new music as opposed to putting it in his vault and just releasing all his better song once every 2-3 years.

Corgan Rules
01-08-2008, 11:59 PM
It kind of hurts seeing him get lambasted like that. On the other hand, Why the fuck does Billy release stuff like this and hold onto Djalizan/Spun/Chicago Songs/etc? After Zeitgeist failed miserably, THIS is what's supposed to help rebound SP?

Expect a 6 disc acoustic box set of unreleased material in a few years.

Zeitgeist didn't fail miserably. It did ok in a tough time to sell music. It is a good album. Not his best, but still a solid album.

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 12:01 AM
It's fucking awful, that review is dead on.

What a joke! Some people you just can't please..... Waaaaaa! Stop crying already.....

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 12:03 AM
you haven't listened to the songs yet?

my feeling is BC needs to make some changes. he is incredibly talented. but my feeling is that his energy is stuck. he's stuck. he needs to get un-stuck. there are lots of ways a person can go about doing this. he's very fixed to a point of it being very unhelpful to him, imo. i wish he'd lighten up and mix it up again. and have fun working with other people. how long is he going to let himself feel bad? =(


To me, his energy in these songs aren't a problem. You dojnt scream on acoustic songs you know. I know what you mean about the lack of energy he sometime shows in concert and some releases, but his energy is fine on this release.

Rickpat12
01-09-2008, 12:06 AM
To me, his energy in these songs aren't a problem. You dojnt scream on acoustic songs you know. I know what you mean about the lack of energy he sometime shows in concert and some releases, but his energy is fine on this release.

I particularly enjoy the emotion he is putting back into his songs. Zeitgeist's vocals weren't as emotional as this EP's were.

I can't believe I responded to a Corgan Rules post...

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 12:06 AM
oh man i just realized Again Again Again could pass off as Billy covering a Let It Come Down outtake. THATS HOW BAD IT IS

Bullshit! Again, again, again is a good song! Stop thinking that every new song Billy makes is going to be his best... Geeze.....some of you people are just too difficult to please. Y ou are spoiled....

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 12:12 AM
While he's at it...he should just recreate Siamese Dream AND Mellon Collie. Buddy, times have have past.

True that! Great point! Too many people on here only want Billy to make Siamese Dream 2 or Mellon Collie 2 and when he doesn't they just hate the music. They need to wake up and realize that he is in a new direction. He is trying to create a new sound. He gets ridiculed because he won't repeat himself/music.

You would think that people would have realized that after TFE. Im just so tired of hearing fans not liking the new music. Its their opinions of course, but if they don't like it they should move on like Billy has. If I didn't like music from a band, I would not listen to them and I definitely wouldn't be on that bands message board. I just dont understand them....

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 12:13 AM
corgan rules im going to beat the shit out of you.

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 12:14 AM
I particularly enjoy the emotion he is putting back into his songs. Zeitgeist's vocals weren't as emotional as this EP's were.

I can't believe I responded to a Corgan Rules post...

I agree with you. Get used to responding to my posts.....

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 12:15 AM
corgan rules im going to beat the shit out of you.

Bring it! Bring you and your army....

Rickpat12
01-09-2008, 12:16 AM
I agree with you. Get used to responding to my posts.....

Haha nice response, nice.

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 12:20 AM
Bring it! Bring you and your army....

judging by you writing style in your posts i won't need an army to beat up a 15 year old.

maybe a good lawyer but most certainly not an army.

stumpycat
01-09-2008, 12:29 AM
One shouldn't have to force themselves into appreciating music because they feel obligated to do so, Corgan Rules. I think you could truly convince yourself into liking anything Corgan did with utter conviction. Even if I'm not satisfied much with this current output, I still have in interest in Billy's music because of his track record of literally hundreds of songs I enjoy and his creative abilities and potential. Whatever he's doing now, there's no way I could take away or forget his accomplishments.

Plus, it's a bit of a misnomer to call this album "acoustic"--it's rather low-key and low-fi and mellow, but that's not the same thing. Nothing on this EP feels original or fresh at all--and certainly not experimental. At the least something like TFE showed Corgan trying to indulge in some personal musical eccentricities to explore a fresh kind of sound for himself.

Some moments in these songs border pretty dangerously in adult contemporary/goo goo dolls territory of easy acoustic rock.
Exactly my anxiety. I pray to whatever powerful deity may or may not exist in time and space that he does not go down that road. When bands start to tout that more "matured sound"...that's when bands start to enter into embarrassing "fucking suck" territory. If the Bollster does this I think I will sue him for emotional damages!!

M.Night
01-09-2008, 12:54 AM
american gothic was a stupid idea.
the song, the name

areyougaffney?
01-09-2008, 03:49 AM
yeah AG has disappointed me. I was expecting a lot more.
It sounds lazy and rushed. The Rose March comes through O.K, mainly as it's blinding song but the others are weak additions to the smashing pumpkins catalogue. I have loved verything The pumpkins have done, but this is in my opinion the weakest thing they have ever done.
I'm not to fussed though, I think their next album (and I'm sure there will be one) will be blinding. I just think this a chance to get out more material but it was done really badly.

cork_soaker
01-09-2008, 04:03 AM
yeah AG has disappointed me. I was expecting a lot more.
It sounds lazy and rushed. The Rose March comes through O.K, mainly as it's blinding song but the others are weak additions to the smashing pumpkins catalogue. I have loved verything The pumpkins have done, but this is in my opinion the weakest thing they have ever done.
I'm not to fussed though, I think their next album (and I'm sure there will be one) will be blinding. I just think this a chance to get out more material but it was done really badly.

thanks to you, i am going to use "blinding" more often.

eh-- i mean i'm going to start using it.

Phoenix Down
01-09-2008, 08:44 AM
it's hilarious how everyone in this thread discredits bad reviews, cause the critic sucks and "has never been a fan anyway". The music is uninspired shit and we all know that.
I'm gonna listen to Whirl now.

Pheeew
01-09-2008, 09:54 AM
http://www.interference.com/stories/id183072.html

4 out of 5 stars

Review: ‘American Gothic’: The Lighter Side of Smashing Pumpkins*

By Justin Powell
2008.01

American Gothic answers the question of what constitutes the Smashing Pumpkins. That answer is Billy Corgan. Corgan is a master songwriter that lets the Pumpkin’s sound flow out of his guitar playing and melodies. That is never truer than on Gothic. The whole EP gels together and is the one of the most cohesive EPs one will ever find. The whole album feels like a little walk or trip. It rarely rocks or changes its tempo but that’s what makes it so effective. The steady pace creates a crystallized feel that is uncommon for Pumpkins records. Most of the band’s work is industrial and gritty. This makes the album refreshing in a sense. In fact, the whole album feels like Billy Corgan has been listening to Van Morrison’s Astral Weeks on heavy repeat. Overall it sounds like a Pumpkins record from another life. Those things are why this is such a cohesive record.

Fans can find the EP hidden on iTunes which, to be quite honest, is a little annoying. One has to search American Gothic only to find a blue-covered Zeitgeist, the Pumpkins’ latest release. There, one has to download each individual track, four in all, at the end of the album. There is a physical release outside of the United States, though, according to the band’s website.

The first song of the EP is “Rose March.” It is the most creative and stunning of all the tracks. The melody is absolutely beautiful. The vocals are among Corgan’s best, as are the lyrics. The opening guitar part is a great introduction to what American Gothic has in store for the listener. This is single-worthy material. Its chorus would sound perfect coming from the radio on a drive through the country. It might be the title, but this song makes me think of a spring day and a wedding. Its beauty will probably evoke similar images in the minds of other listeners. This is part of the cinematic aspect of an amazing EP. You will often find yourself envisioning a place or event. Near the end, Jimmy Chamberlin comes in with the drums at the perfect time to take the song to a new level. That level being among the band’s best songs. “Rose March” is a true wonder.

“Again, Again, Again (The Crux)” sounds like it belongs on Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Jimmy Chamberlin again does wonders to the song. His playing works very well with Corgan’s. Together they make beautiful music. The chorus is catchy if not simple. Like many simple things on the EP, it works. The beat is similar to the band’s famous song “1979” but the chorus is unique to the band.

“Pox” is the weak point of the album. I feel the EP could up be okay without this piece. It doesn’t fit and stands out as being out of place. It isn’t a bad song, per se, but it lacks the gentle playing of the other tracks. The song sounds like something off of Gish and seems really out of place with several Mellon Collie sounding tracks. For fun, listeners might try to replace this track with something like “Soothe” or “Bye June.”

“Sunkissed” is my favorite track on the album. It is simple but effective. Corgan is in the clouds for this one. The notes at times seem lighter than air. The song reminds me of summer and, again, a wedding. With this track, the EP has come full circle. You can feel the sunlight of the song shine through. The noon rays are coming out and the Pumpkins have done it again. You are taken somewhere with this track. To each listener, their own summer day. With every listen a new dawn.

This album is a must for every Pumpkins fan. More than that, it is a must for any fan of cinematic music. I rate this as four out of five stars. “Pox” weighs it down a bit, but songs like “Rose March” and “Sunkissed” are now among my favorites of the band. They elevate this EP. Billy Corgan is the Smashing Pumpkins because he takes you places only he can. American Gothic is a true trip to some place, a cohesive little trip I recommend to anyone.

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 11:09 AM
judging by you writing style in your posts i won't need an army to beat up a 15 year old.

maybe a good lawyer but most certainly not an army.

Nice try. Im a lot older than 15. I bet Im older than you.

smashkin33
01-09-2008, 11:11 AM
american gothic was a stupid idea.
the song, the name

could've been awesome if the songs were better.
i would have tolerated the name.

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 12:16 PM
it's hilarious how everyone in this thread discredits bad reviews, cause the critic sucks and "has never been a fan anyway". The music is uninspired shit and we all know that.
I'm gonna listen to Whirl now.

really? everyone in this thread?


the music's shit and phoenix down is the first to bring this perspective.






and oh my god am i not looking forward to hearing this. maybe such low expectations will actually help me like it.

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 12:18 PM
Nice try. Im a lot older than 15. I bet Im older than you.

i'm going to break your chicken legs into eight pieces you fucking fuck

mayday
01-09-2008, 12:23 PM
i know he can do better. but i'm not saying AG is unlikable

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 12:24 PM
im not concerned so much with what you're saying.

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 12:38 PM
i'm going to break your chicken legs into eight pieces you fucking fuck


You can quit your joking right now. You don't want to see me! If you do, then bring it bitchmade! I can definitely defend myself.

How old are you whore and where do you reside?

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 12:43 PM
i reside in your sister's pussy you fucking parakeet

smashingjj
01-09-2008, 12:53 PM
haha wonderful fucking thread

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 01:58 PM
i reside in your sister's pussy you fucking parakeet


That's the pussy ass answer I expected to get from you. Talk shit then say dumb little boy stuff. Im surprised that you didn't say a mom joke!! You must not be above 18 years old, so I better just step away so I don't get in trouble. You called me out and I responded. You think this is a joke. I don't joke around with losers like you.

What a fuckin pussy!

Mayfuck
01-09-2008, 02:24 PM
hey corgan rules dont you live in san diego? i'm gonna be down there this weekend why dont you step to a real man and we can settle this fist to fist. you ready to throw down you little fagot!!!

somaziro
01-09-2008, 02:40 PM
Why, thank you. I already got a reputation comment from esty, noting how terrible he thinks it is.

reminds me of john snow - character from a book~

skipgo
01-09-2008, 02:44 PM
i would pay to see mayfuck pound corgan rules.

waltermcphilp
01-09-2008, 02:45 PM
like, in the ass?

Home
01-09-2008, 03:22 PM
American Gothic is the worst disk by The Smashing Pumpkins... But it's still good ! I like all 4 songs

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 03:26 PM
That's the pussy ass answer I expected to get from you. Talk shit then say dumb little boy stuff. Im surprised that you didn't say a mom joke!! You must not be above 18 years old, so I better just step away so I don't get in trouble. You called me out and I responded. You think this is a joke. I don't joke around with losers like you.

What a fuckin pussy!

im going to eat you for breakfast, corgan rules. then break all your sp shit.


hey corgan rules dont you live in san diego? i'm gonna be down there this weekend why dont you step to a real man and we can settle this fist to fist. you ready to throw down you little fagot!!!

you can have whats left of him.

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 03:26 PM
American Gothic is the worst disk by The Smashing Pumpkins... But it's still good ! I like all 4 songs

easily the worst and the best at the same time. considering its not a disk.

Home
01-09-2008, 03:26 PM
Billy Corgan is suing the band "Survivor" because they explicitly stole the phrase "eye of the tiger," which Billy had previously named his penis hole after.

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 10:11 PM
hey corgan rules dont you live in san diego? i'm gonna be down there this weekend why dont you step to a real man and we can settle this fist to fist. you ready to throw down you little fagot!!!

YOu and what army? I'll be in Vegas this weekend....to darn bad bitch! Im down for the next weekend though you whore! You don't want see me. I aint one of these damn band nerd/geeks like some of SP fans so you better watch out.

How old are you? You above 18 at least?

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 10:16 PM
How old are you? You above 18 at least?

fagot
.

Corgan Rules
01-09-2008, 10:39 PM
.

Yeah you and Mayfuck are both faggots!

ciGarski
01-09-2008, 10:40 PM
whats that? i can't hear you over the sound of mayfuck and i double teaming your grandma.

cork_soaker
01-09-2008, 11:04 PM
http://www.interference.com/stories/id183072.html

4 out of 5 stars

Review: ‘American Gothic’: The Lighter Side of Smashing Pumpkins*

By Justin Powell
2008.01

American Gothic answers the question of what constitutes the Smashing Pumpkins. That answer is Billy Corgan. Corgan is a master songwriter that lets the Pumpkin’s sound flow out of his guitar playing and melodies. That is never truer than on Gothic. The whole EP gels together and is the one of the most cohesive EPs one will ever find. The whole album feels like a little walk or trip. It rarely rocks or changes its tempo but that’s what makes it so effective. The steady pace creates a crystallized feel that is uncommon for Pumpkins records. Most of the band’s work is industrial and gritty. This makes the album refreshing in a sense. In fact, the whole album feels like Billy Corgan has been listening to Van Morrison’s Astral Weeks on heavy repeat. Overall it sounds like a Pumpkins record from another life. Those things are why this is such a cohesive record.

Fans can find the EP hidden on iTunes which, to be quite honest, is a little annoying. One has to search American Gothic only to find a blue-covered Zeitgeist, the Pumpkins’ latest release. There, one has to download each individual track, four in all, at the end of the album. There is a physical release outside of the United States, though, according to the band’s website.

The first song of the EP is “Rose March.” It is the most creative and stunning of all the tracks. The melody is absolutely beautiful. The vocals are among Corgan’s best, as are the lyrics. The opening guitar part is a great introduction to what American Gothic has in store for the listener. This is single-worthy material. Its chorus would sound perfect coming from the radio on a drive through the country. It might be the title, but this song makes me think of a spring day and a wedding. Its beauty will probably evoke similar images in the minds of other listeners. This is part of the cinematic aspect of an amazing EP. You will often find yourself envisioning a place or event. Near the end, Jimmy Chamberlin comes in with the drums at the perfect time to take the song to a new level. That level being among the band’s best songs. “Rose March” is a true wonder.

“Again, Again, Again (The Crux)” sounds like it belongs on Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Jimmy Chamberlin again does wonders to the song. His playing works very well with Corgan’s. Together they make beautiful music. The chorus is catchy if not simple. Like many simple things on the EP, it works. The beat is similar to the band’s famous song “1979” but the chorus is unique to the band.

“Pox” is the weak point of the album. I feel the EP could up be okay without this piece. It doesn’t fit and stands out as being out of place. It isn’t a bad song, per se, but it lacks the gentle playing of the other tracks. The song sounds like something off of Gish and seems really out of place with several Mellon Collie sounding tracks. For fun, listeners might try to replace this track with something like “Soothe” or “Bye June.”

“Sunkissed” is my favorite track on the album. It is simple but effective. Corgan is in the clouds for this one. The notes at times seem lighter than air. The song reminds me of summer and, again, a wedding. With this track, the EP has come full circle. You can feel the sunlight of the song shine through. The noon rays are coming out and the Pumpkins have done it again. You are taken somewhere with this track. To each listener, their own summer day. With every listen a new dawn.

This album is a must for every Pumpkins fan. More than that, it is a must for any fan of cinematic music. I rate this as four out of five stars. “Pox” weighs it down a bit, but songs like “Rose March” and “Stinkfissed” are now among my favorites of the band. They elevate this EP. Billy Corgan is the Smashing Pumpkins because he takes you places only he can. American Gothic is a true trip to some place, a cohesive little trip I recommend to anyone.

this reads like a 7th grade book report.
it's fucking awesome.

cork_soaker
01-09-2008, 11:07 PM
"american gothic: some aspects were better, others seemed good. tracks like 'pox' were not as cohesive but felt weighty which was contrary. fans will be plussed at the inclusion of emotion or the opposite of that, in retrospect. it really is a recording of a collection of songs for the fans to hear with their ears."

tcm
01-10-2008, 01:08 AM
"american gothic: some aspects were better, others seemed good. tracks like 'pox' were not as cohesive but felt weighty which was contrary. fans will be plussed at the inclusion of emotion or the opposite of that, in retrospect. it really is a recording of a collection of songs for the fans to hear with their ears."

refreshing to see an fair-headed, unbiased review. what was the score?

BuriedSoftly
01-10-2008, 01:08 AM
he needs to get back on acid



Quote of the year, 2008 is in the bag with that one.

cork_soaker
01-10-2008, 01:30 AM
refreshing to see an fair-headed, unbiased review. what was the score?
twelve fifteenths.

ciGarski
01-10-2008, 01:39 AM
Quote of the year, 2008 is in the bag with that one.

yeah, cuz no one's suggested that before.

tcm
01-10-2008, 02:22 AM
twelve fifteenths.

not too shabby!

Ol' Couch Ass
01-10-2008, 02:46 AM
http://www.interference.com/stories/id183072.html

4 out of 5 stars

Review: ‘American Gothic’: The Lighter Side of Smashing Pumpkins*

By Justin Powell
2008.01

American Gothic answers the question of what constitutes the Smashing Pumpkins. That answer is Billy Corgan. Corgan is a master songwriter that lets the Pumpkin’s sound flow out of his guitar playing and melodies. That is never truer than on Gothic. The whole EP gels together and is the one of the most cohesive EPs one will ever find. The whole album feels like a little walk or trip. It rarely rocks or changes its tempo but that’s what makes it so effective. The steady pace creates a crystallized feel that is uncommon for Pumpkins records. Most of the band’s work is industrial and gritty. This makes the album refreshing in a sense. In fact, the whole album feels like Billy Corgan has been listening to Van Morrison’s Astral Weeks on heavy repeat. Overall it sounds like a Pumpkins record from another life. Those things are why this is such a cohesive record.

Fans can find the EP hidden on iTunes which, to be quite honest, is a little annoying. One has to search American Gothic only to find a blue-covered Zeitgeist, the Pumpkins’ latest release. There, one has to download each individual track, four in all, at the end of the album. There is a physical release outside of the United States, though, according to the band’s website.

The first song of the EP is “Rose March.” It is the most creative and stunning of all the tracks. The melody is absolutely beautiful. The vocals are among Corgan’s best, as are the lyrics. The opening guitar part is a great introduction to what American Gothic has in store for the listener. This is single-worthy material. Its chorus would sound perfect coming from the radio on a drive through the country. It might be the title, but this song makes me think of a spring day and a wedding. Its beauty will probably evoke similar images in the minds of other listeners. This is part of the cinematic aspect of an amazing EP. You will often find yourself envisioning a place or event. Near the end, Jimmy Chamberlin comes in with the drums at the perfect time to take the song to a new level. That level being among the band’s best songs. “Rose March” is a true wonder.

“Again, Again, Again (The Crux)” sounds like it belongs on Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. Jimmy Chamberlin again does wonders to the song. His playing works very well with Corgan’s. Together they make beautiful music. The chorus is catchy if not simple. Like many simple things on the EP, it works. The beat is similar to the band’s famous song “1979” but the chorus is unique to the band.

“Pox” is the weak point of the album. I feel the EP could up be okay without this piece. It doesn’t fit and stands out as being out of place. It isn’t a bad song, per se, but it lacks the gentle playing of the other tracks. The song sounds like something off of Gish and seems really out of place with several Mellon Collie sounding tracks. For fun, listeners might try to replace this track with something like “Soothe” or “Bye June.”

“Sunkissed” is my favorite track on the album. It is simple but effective. Corgan is in the clouds for this one. The notes at times seem lighter than air. The song reminds me of summer and, again, a wedding. With this track, the EP has come full circle. You can feel the sunlight of the song shine through. The noon rays are coming out and the Pumpkins have done it again. You are taken somewhere with this track. To each listener, their own summer day. With every listen a new dawn.

This album is a must for every Pumpkins fan. More than that, it is a must for any fan of cinematic music. I rate this as four out of five stars. “Pox” weighs it down a bit, but songs like “Rose March” and “Sunkissed” are now among my favorites of the band. They elevate this EP. Billy Corgan is the Smashing Pumpkins because he takes you places only he can. American Gothic is a true trip to some place, a cohesive little trip I recommend to anyone.

Do you think the editors over at this website ever get tired of having to cut all the "!!!!" out of CorganRules editorial reviews?