View Full Version : Curious BC quote from 1998 Interview...


Raskolnikov
12-29-2007, 04:29 AM
So, I was cleaning out my filing cabinet today and came across some old Rolling Stone magazines that I'd saved during my hardcore collecting phase. One of them was the Adore-era interview with Billy where he talks about the commercial failure of Adore and the charity tour, etc.

Well, the interviewer/response combo went like this:

<b>When I saw you in the studio during the Adore sessions in January, you were recording a song, "Let Me Give The World To You", that sounded like a total hit. Why didn't you put it on the album?</b>

<i>Didn't fit. And I knew it was a hit song. There was another song you didn't hear that was a total hit song, a heavier song. I would play it for people and this is what they would say: "Maximum KROQ rotation."</i>

Got me thinking long and hard -- what other song is he talking about? I really can't think of any other songs from that era that were "heavy". Thoughts?

Incidentally, this photo was also with the article - a classic.

<img src=http://www.my-mistake.net/infinitepics/billy/billy555.jpg>

Warsaw
12-29-2007, 04:41 AM
That rat in a cage song...I don't know what it's called.

areyougaffney?
12-29-2007, 04:56 AM
Baby let's rock!

BumbleBeeMouth
12-29-2007, 05:15 AM
he looks like minsc!

wilch
12-29-2007, 05:17 AM
is it possible billy is lying?

Glowing Lights
12-29-2007, 05:20 AM
Maybe Cash Car Star?

MistaMista1
12-29-2007, 05:42 AM
Cash Car Star.

mattisnotfrench
12-29-2007, 07:20 AM
Maybe Cash Car Star?

I was just going to say that. Either that or that horrid cover of "I Want You To Want Me"...

AnnMarie727
12-29-2007, 09:00 AM
=)

AnnMarie727
12-29-2007, 09:01 AM
<img src=http://www.my-mistake.net/infinitepics/billy/billy555.jpg>

William :love:

paranoid
12-29-2007, 09:20 AM
so he avoids putting the obvious hit songs on the record then throws a total piss fit for the entire promotional phase of the record about it not selling as well as it could have.

entertainment.

RenewRevive
12-29-2007, 11:33 AM
at the time of the interview he was probably playing the artistic integrity card to deal with adore's lack of sales. we all know billy is more than capable of failing to but the 'best' songs on an album. he would shortly do it again with machina, so what were the reasons then?

schwarzy
12-29-2007, 12:21 PM
Cash Car Star definitely.
A good song, maybe not a hit but it could have worked well.

Honestly it doesn't fit at all on the record. Maybe if he recorded it "ava adore" way; it could have been cool, maybe...

LMGTWTY should have been on Adore.

ben94gt
12-29-2007, 12:40 PM
Got me thinking long and hard

hahahah long and hard

ChaosEffect
12-29-2007, 12:44 PM
Did the adore version of LMGTWTY ever leak or what?

Sarrod
12-29-2007, 12:48 PM
Either Cash Car Star or just maybe the Saturnine version? Although that isn't heavy by rock standards, but I always like it a lot and it does have a heavier feel than Adore.

ChaosEffect
12-29-2007, 12:55 PM
Also for keeping the better songs off the album see: Stellar, Ma Belle, Tilt and a lot of Zwan.

skipgo
12-29-2007, 12:59 PM
billy needs a good whack upside the head.

Frankenstein
12-29-2007, 01:42 PM
POP TART!!!

how could it be anything else? while that isn't 'heavy' it is heavier than most of Adore

TheMilstead
12-29-2007, 02:14 PM
POP TART!!!

how could it be anything else? while that isn't 'heavy' it is heavier than most of Adore

Infraction.

Raskolnikov
12-29-2007, 02:42 PM
Yeah, I guess that Cash Car Star would have been what we're talking about there. Funny how long that song was sitting around in the queue.

I agree that LMGTWTY would be weird on the album. Unless it was tucked back towards the end around the Blank Page area.

Frankenstein
12-29-2007, 02:49 PM
no way. Cash Car Star is too metal for kroq.

think what was actually release officially. It has to be Real Love, or Reel Love or whatever.

Glowing Lights
12-29-2007, 05:15 PM
I was just going to say that. Either that or that horrid cover of "I Want You To Want Me"...

mmmm... i never heard this horrid cover, does anyone have a link that isn't three men sucking each other off? :smoke:

darcyismybass
12-29-2007, 05:19 PM
mmmm... i never heard this horrid cover, does anyone have a link that isn't three men sucking each other off? :smoke:

It sounded horrid because it was clearly A DEMO.

Raskolnikov
12-29-2007, 05:44 PM
The "I Want You..." cover was actually just performed once - 6/24/98 on KROQ's morning show. I don't think it was ever recorded. Don't have an MP3 here, but if nobody uploads it by next week, I could when I'm back with my other machine.

i_adore_adore
12-29-2007, 05:46 PM
I have it on my other computer. But I'm too lazy to go downstairs and upload it. I'm sure someone else will.

I just wanted to brag about having it... not that it's like incredibly rare or anything.

Gossamer
12-29-2007, 07:03 PM
I think he was definitely talking about Cash Car Star.


like 100% sure.

thereturnofpea
12-29-2007, 08:12 PM
hello everybody, this is cutieming again.

paranoid
12-29-2007, 08:38 PM
hey may have also been talking out of his ass, therefore no hard rockin kroq hit tune.

skipgo
12-29-2007, 08:44 PM
hey may have also been talking out of his ass, therefore no hard rockin kroq hit tune.

i saw someone doing something like this on the film 'pink flamingos'. it was not pretty.

themadcaplaughs
12-30-2007, 10:38 PM
we all know billy is more than capable of failing to but the 'best' songs on an album. he would shortly do it again with machina, so what were the reasons then?

You also forgot about Zwan songs that did not make the cut on Mary Star of the Sea, the Djali Zwan songs, the Chicago Songs, and the parts of his Confessions that were really starting to get interesting.

Notice that I did not mention TheFutureEmbrace, as I actually like that album, except for Strayz.

runaroundkid
12-30-2007, 10:45 PM
possibly the most annoying thing about billy is that he doesn't put his best stuff on his albums (well, this is true for the past 4 albums or so anyway). why? stop wasting your talent, b0lls. fuck.

talk show host
12-30-2007, 10:49 PM
Cash Car Star is such a horrible song, I'm I the only one who thinks this song would not have helped the Pumpkins' critical and commercial failings if it had been released earlier?

loser2d
12-30-2007, 10:52 PM
I think cash car star translates very well live.

Frankenstein
12-31-2007, 12:14 AM
Cash Car Star is such a horrible song, I'm I the only one who thinks this song would not have helped the Pumpkins' critical and commercial failings if it had been released earlier?

holy goodness


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i_adore_adore
12-31-2007, 12:18 AM
I realize I'm becoming a bit of a troll tonight with all these meaningless responses, but HOW COOL DOES MELISSA LOOK IN THAT VID?!?!!

darcyismybass
12-31-2007, 12:43 AM
I realize I'm becoming a bit of a troll tonight with all these meaningless responses, but HOW COOL DOES MELISSA LOOK IN THAT VID?!?!!

It's not trolling to state the obvious: Melissa looks fucking spectacular! :)

Frankenstein
12-31-2007, 01:04 AM
she has good stage presence but she could stand to gain a few pounds. she looks like a walking candy apple

i_adore_adore
12-31-2007, 01:18 AM
I agree, but some people are just that way. She looked fine during her earlier Hole days, but around Celebrity Skin time she got really thin. But I don't think it was a conscious effort to lose weight, just something that happens when you get older. It seems you either lose it or gain it (not to say Melissa is old, of course)

Frankenstein
12-31-2007, 01:35 AM
you're cute an all.. but no. nope. it's drugs


edit: dude, she's only 35

loser2d
12-31-2007, 01:44 AM
she is 35?
damn
i thought she was still in her 20s
lol

i_adore_adore
12-31-2007, 02:09 AM
That's why I said, "not saying melissa is old, of course." Thanks for paying attention. Butthead.

Frankenstein
12-31-2007, 02:11 AM
That's why I said, "not saying melissa is old, of course." Thanks for paying attention. Butthead.

butthead? lol

why do you think it wasn't a conscious effort to lose weight? just a hunch or did you read an interview or what?

The Jesus
12-31-2007, 02:24 AM
Bi-curious.

i_adore_adore
12-31-2007, 04:36 PM
butthead? lol

why do you think it wasn't a conscious effort to lose weight? just a hunch or did you read an interview or what?

Just a hunch :) She wasn't fat by any means before, and she doesn't seem like those ignorant Hollywood women obsessed with being a twig. But I don't have any proof that it wasn't on purpose, no.

somaziro
12-31-2007, 04:44 PM
she may have lost weight from being stressed out for a long period of time also

Twineball
12-31-2007, 05:33 PM
Maybe Cash Car Star?

That was my thought. They played it live in the Kenny Aronoff days...

cardiac
12-31-2007, 05:46 PM
HOW COOL DOES MELISSA LOOK IN THAT VID?!?!!

She looks very cool indeed. I'm not about to start a fanclub for her bass tone, but man does that gal have mesmerizing rock presence.

i_adore_adore
12-31-2007, 06:58 PM
Agreed.

Oddly, I don't notice a lot of that twang in live Hole videos, but it could be because I don't watch as many...

Frankenstein
12-31-2007, 07:30 PM
Agreed.

Oddly, I don't notice a lot of that twang in live Hole videos, but it could be because I don't watch as many...

a must see live performance of celebrity skin

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themadcaplaughs
12-31-2007, 07:36 PM
There is no wonder that Melissa was accepted almost immediately, the woman has a presence that fits in well with the band. Ginger is a great bass player and cute as hell, but there is no denying she has not gotten much stage presence.

reprise85
12-31-2007, 07:41 PM
what a crazy bitch
not that it's surprising, but i've never seen that before

darcyismybass
12-31-2007, 08:23 PM
Agreed.

Oddly, I don't notice a lot of that twang in live Hole videos, but it could be because I don't watch as many...

I think the twang isn't as present because she's in mostly standard tuning (I'd imagine). She learned and played everything for the Pumpkins' "last" tour on a bass that was tuned two steps down.