View Full Version : Wilco vs. Pumpkins


spidersoma
12-12-2007, 02:13 AM
I was perusing through Pitchfork articles today and noticed that Wilco is planning on touring. I was flabbergasted to see yet another Chicago band playing everywhere but Chicago. When asked about it, lead singer Jeff Tweedy announced they would actually do 6 residency shows in Chicago where they wouldp lay their entire library and "re-visit the corners and cobwebs."

Now, obviously the Pumpkins visiting their entire library would take more like 60 residency shows, but I would hope that Billy and Co. would take a cue from this and perhaps offer their hometown a treat such as this. While I probably wouldn't be there myself, it'd still be a great number of boots to get my hands on.

'tis a shame it will probably never happen.

Sebastian
12-12-2007, 07:58 AM
And while they're at it, the Pumpkins can as well just copy Wilco's taping policy ;)

Pizza Club
12-12-2007, 10:39 AM
And while they're at it, the Pumpkins can as well just copy Wilco's taping policy ;)


For those of us not in the know, how is it better?

pale blue eyes
12-12-2007, 10:53 AM
I was perusing through Pitchfork articles today and noticed that Wilco is planning on touring. I was flabbergasted to see yet another Chicago band playing everywhere but Chicago. When asked about it, lead singer Jeff Tweedy announced they would actually do 6 residency shows in Chicago where they wouldp lay their entire library and "re-visit the corners and cobwebs."

They are doing five at The Riviera, I thought? And were you flabbergasted for like ten seconds between when you read they were touring and when you got to the part about their residency in Chicago in the same article?

Cherub Angel
12-12-2007, 11:31 AM
Only really liked one of Wilco's album....and found the last to be a grating experience.

Sebastian
12-12-2007, 12:38 PM
For those of us not in the know, how is it better?

1) They have it clearly written on their web site
2) They allow mic stands, even in the soundboard cage
3) They do a very good job at informing the venues

Actually, Wilco shows are as good as it gets from a taper's perspective. This results in better recordings for everybody to listen to. Just check out this (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=507039) and compare it to any of my Pumpkins recordings.

Elvis The Fat Years
12-12-2007, 01:29 PM
I was flabbergasted to see yet another Chicago band playing everywhere but Chicago. When asked about it, lead singer Jeff Tweedy announced they would actually do 6 residency shows in Chicago

what?

Day dreaming Of Darcy
12-12-2007, 02:57 PM
And while they're at it, the Pumpkins can as well just copy Wilco's taping policy ;)

Cosigned

Brute Squad
12-12-2007, 05:34 PM
And while they're at it, the Pumpkins can as well just copy Wilco's taping policy ;)

<img src=http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/fogelsong/plus1.jpg>

JRiordan
12-15-2007, 09:45 PM
All 5 shows sold out extremely fast. No surprise there. See you there!

They claim they will play every song from their albums. Not sure if that counts the Mermaid Avenue I and II albums though. Either way, gonna be a great week.

Pizza Club
12-15-2007, 11:18 PM
Requesting a starting place for a Wilco n00b plz.

lucid_interval
12-15-2007, 11:22 PM
1) They have it clearly written on their web site
2) They allow mic stands, even in the soundboard cage
3) They do a very good job at informing the venues

Actually, Wilco shows are as good as it gets from a taper's perspective. This results in better recordings for everybody to listen to. Just check out this (http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=507039) and compare it to any of my Pumpkins recordings.

nah, as good as it gets would be if they let some taper just plug into the soundboard.

spidersoma
12-16-2007, 03:54 PM
Requesting a starting place for a Wilco n00b plz.

I won't mention whole albums ....

but songs ... "How to Fight Loneliness," "Heavy Metal Drummer," and "Via Chicago"

Check those out. See if you like 'em.

Sebastian
12-16-2007, 04:31 PM
nah, as good as it gets would be if they let some taper just plug into the soundboard.

No. I'd still prefer a good AUD over a SBD recording any day.

redbull
12-16-2007, 05:21 PM
nah, as good as it gets would be if they let some taper just plug into the soundboard.
lets go one step further and just do multitracks of every show... :erm:

redbull
12-16-2007, 05:21 PM
Nels Cline > Wilco
agree/disagree?

astrosfan719
12-18-2007, 07:40 PM
Fall Out Boy

Wilco

Who wins?

*shhh* DONT SAY ANYTHING *shhh*

*shhh*


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fall out boy.

pale blue eyes
12-18-2007, 07:55 PM
Riiiiight.

astrosfan719
12-18-2007, 08:05 PM
It be true.