ive recorded a show or two and plan on recording 2 upcoming shows this month. i know its not very likely to get a soundboard patch but does anyone have any tips that might help short of asking and/or performing sexual favors. i.e. names to drop. also what do i need to bring, such as special cables, if by chance i should be able to get one?

just asking the band/engineer is your best chance. I guess be ready to record from XLR or RCA. Very few boards (any?) have 1/8" or 1/4" outs

I've come across 1/4" before - Gypsy Tearoom in Dallas. It was mono as well.

Asking as early as possible helps a lot.

yea i was gonna bring rca an 1/4. didnt even think about xlr. thatd be a good idea. i should be able to get there real early too so thats good. i also got the benefit of seeing modest mouse at one of the same venues so i already got a pretty good idea of where a good spot to record would be. i might have to get my friend to help ask because i am such a pussy with that kind of thing. i hope the venue isnt gonna be bitchy about it but if they find it on me which i hope they just dont, i dont want it to look like im sneaking it in, like im doing something wrong. if they do who should i say to talk to to get the ok? just the band or gooch or what?

and am i correct in assuming it would be a 3pin xlr?

gooch or the band. gooch is probably better. and yes, 3 pin.

thanks for the help guys. hopefully my recordings turn out ok. im still a novice but who knows. i just figured someone should record them because i dont think the shows around utah and idaho (the two im going to) usually get covered very well. i just bought an r-09 for it and am thinking about also upgrading to some core sound mics from the no name binaurals i have. does anyone think its worth the upgrade or should i stick with the ones i got? i cant remember the brand name. i got them so long ago.

and whats the diff between a fixed-response battery box and one thats not? is it that you can use a bass roll off filter with a fixed-response battery box?

Bring 1/4" and XLR (female) plugs. I've never seen a board with RCA outputs.

and whats the diff between a fixed-response battery box and one thats not? is it that you can use a bass roll off filter with a fixed-response battery box?

The bass roll off of a "fixed-response" box is fixed (usually a 1 or 2uF capacitor which gives a roll-off well below 10Hz), whereas other ones have switches where you can switch in different capacitors to give more roll-off. IMO a fixed one with hardly any roll off is best, so long as you're not over powering the input stage of your recorder. It is easier to remove bass through DSP on the PC than it is to bring it back when you've set the roll-off too high.

gooch or the band. gooch is probably better. and yes, 3 pin.

Gooch isn't with them on this tour.

If Gooch isnt there who ever is replacing him knows it is open taping correct??

Jeremy

BYO

If Gooch isnt there who ever is replacing him knows it is open taping correct??


The band's FOH sound engineer definately knows it's open taping, but the venue usually doesn't.

i've seen desks that have RCA, mono 6.5mm (1/4inch) jacks, xlr (3 pin). all female on the desk other than xlr, usually male on desk.

i don't think you'll be getting board permission unless you have some history with someone. especially since they've said they are recording all shows off the board anyway. i can't see them giving others access to what might appear on an official release.

i've seen desks that have RCA, mono 6.5mm (1/4inch) jacks, xlr (3 pin). all female on the desk other than xlr, usually male on desk.

i don't think you'll be getting board permission unless you have some history with someone. especially since they've said they are recording all shows off the board anyway. i can't see them giving others access to what might appear on an official release.


really? when did they say that? thatd be sweet if theyre recording them all off the board. although if the do theyll prolly release them as mp3s. i doubt i will too but it doesnt hurt to try. unless of course i get thrown out of the venue, but how often does that happen?

really? when did they say that? thatd be sweet if theyre recording them all off the board. although if the do theyll prolly release them as mp3s. i doubt i will too but it doesnt hurt to try. unless of course i get thrown out of the venue, but how often does that happen?
well actually the more people that piss them off with any open taping issues the more likely they are to change their mind and their stance.

recording info originally from this thread:
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=149672

Plus, on the rare days off, Lemon has been heading into local studios to mix the performances for possible live CD or DVD releases. He is recording every show from a MADI split off the DiGiCo D5 console into a Pro Tools HD3 rig for archival purposes. Backstage, another pair of engineers handle two 96k Pro Tools rigs to record the shows for special releases.

When Agnew record to the SBD we hand to pick up some XLR cables for the board.

Change your name to Frank Quinto. Guaranteed spot on the soundboard.

if you see spboi240, ask him if you can get access to his. he usually brings his own soundboard to the show to make audsbd recordings.

if you see spboi240, ask him if you can get access to his. he usually brings his own soundboard to the show to make audsbd recordings.

:D

good times.

if you see spboi240, ask him if you can get access to his. he usually brings his own soundboard to the show to make audsbd recordings.


wtf?

anyway, i might not even bother to try.

I might be able to get you a sound board to take the show, bobbin.

if you see spboi240, ask him if you can get access to his. he usually brings his own soundboard to the show to make audsbd recordings.
http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost.php?p=2954347&postcount=13

you're not going to get a sbd patch for sp.

http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost.php?p=2954347&postcount=13
didn't know what byo was supposed to be.

you're not going to get a sbd patch for sp.

unless you are Agnew

Bring 1/4" and XLR (female) plugs. I've never seen a board with RCA outputs.

good advice, although i have seen boards with RCA outs. the northstar bar and the first unitarian church here in philly both have em. and i believe the khyber too. small rock clubs, sure... but still.

i host the open mic at the fire in philly, and i use this board:

http://www.mackie.com//products/32-8bus/images/ZOOMED_32.8.jpg

so naturally, my RCA cables won't cut it. i usually just use RCA>1/4" adapters.

anyone know what kind of loss, and to what extent, the audio suffers from doing that?

When Agnew record to the SBD we hand to pick up some XLR cables for the board.
Agnew recorded TO the soundboard?

Absolutely incredible. What can't this man do?

i usually just use RCA>1/4" adapters.

anyone know what kind of loss, and to what extent, the audio suffers from doing that?

Shouldn't lose too much as long as the cabling is done well between the two... but XLR>XLR is of course, the best choice.

unless you are Agnew

my reply was directed at the original poster.

good advice, although i have seen boards with RCA outs. the northstar bar and the first unitarian church here in philly both have em. and i believe the khyber too. small rock clubs, sure... but still.

Yeah, those are probably some kind of semi-professional boards.


i usually just use RCA>1/4" adapters.

anyone know what kind of loss, and to what extent, the audio suffers from doing that?

There is no loss. The adapters don't change the signal at all. But the original board signal can be too hot for consumer-grade recorders, so it's always a good idea to turn it down a bit at the board.

Where does "professional grade" start Seb?

At our high schools around here, Farmer Don (my band director) always insisted on Mackies.

Where does "professional grade" start Seb?

At our high schools around here, Farmer Don (my band director) always insisted on Mackies.

It depends and doesn't have much to do with the brand as they all make bigger and smaller consoles...

I'd probably consider something like this consumer, or semi-pro:
http://www.soundcraft.com/images/products/product_sheet/efx.gif

...and something like this professional:
http://www.soundcraft.com/images/products/product_sheet/Live8.gif

(Yes, I like the Soundcraft consoles *G*)

There is no loss. The adapters don't change the signal at all.
Yes there is, and yes they do. it's analogue sound, ANY connection between two surfaces introduces some loss of signal or introduction of noise in the line. to some extent even the conducted signal across the same continuous material (eg. cable) can affect sound. the amount of this can be negligible depending on the quality of the cords/connectors, but you try recording two samples, one a straight short xlr to xlr lead, and one going through 20 different connectors and back (even high quality ones) and you'll see a difference in signal.

Yes there is, and yes they do. it's analogue sound, ANY connection between two surfaces introduces some loss of signal or introduction of noise in the line.

This is highly theoretical. Of course there is "some loss", but with simple XLR>1/4" adapters, I bet that "loss" is not even measurable - let alone audible. And I doubt that such an adapter will introduce and kind of "noise" to the signal. Where is this noise supposed to come from? Of course there could be noise resulting from badly soldered connections to the cable (or insufficient screening), but this could happen with straight XLR>XLR cables, too.


but you try recording two samples, one a straight short xlr to xlr lead, and one going through 20 different connectors and back (even high quality ones) and you'll see a difference in signal.

We're not discussing running a signal through 20 different connectors. You missed the point.

http://www.noise-busters.com/_borders/Original_NoiseBuster98.jpg
Still loving that London recording Seb. Sterling work.

Of course there could be noise resulting from badly soldered connections to the cable (or insufficient screening), but this could happen with straight XLR>XLR cables, too.

I'd wager that this is what he's referring to. Or maybe he's just irritated that SBDs with coaxial/optical matrix outs aren't common place.

Poorly soldered cables make me cry.

Edit: And the above Soundcraft EFX board is very similar to the Mackies we ran at the schools in the area. I know my school's board is only 16-20 channels, whereas the one nearby that got a new school in my junior year got a nice 32 channel with the bloated government budget. Lucky bastards.

really? when did they say that? thatd be sweet if theyre recording them all off the board. although if the do theyll prolly release them as mp3s.

They record all their shows from the board, apparently they have been for years. From as long as I've seen (i.e. 2000 & this year) it's been straight to CD-R. Which means they have to swap CDs every 70m or so, which means it's likely there's some cuts (although they try to flip between songs). The SBD patches come from the output of the CDR deck, so there's only a signal when it's recording, which explains the cuts in some of the 2000 SBDs. -_-;

Although that might just be what they use for quick listens- I'm pretty sure I remember hearing something else about recording everything on ADAT...

But yeah, they have released some of their live SBD stuff- on cassette (XYU from the Halloween KISS show on the F&E tape). :P" And there's always the live Daydream from TTW(MLI), and I'm guessing the Rock On release was done live at a soundcheck somewhere...

:Skeptical

They're multi-tracking all these shows on a computer-based recording system. They did used to use the old tape-based ADAT recorders but I'm not sure when they switched to hard disk-based. A soundboard patch (XLR out to a pro recorder with XLR inputs) or digital out to any digital recorder would be more than ideal but I'm yet to meet any regular fan who is allowed to get this because the band's policy is strictly for recording with microphones from your seats, typically head-mounted or handheld. Professional mics which should be mounted on a stand or similar have no warrant for stands. I'm yet to see any regular fan bring in a stand on their own and set it up in a taper section. For example, at Red Rocks, stands were forbidden since "people could trip on them" according to SP management. The previous night at Red Rocks, Phil Lesh and Friends had a section behind the board with many tapers using stands. There was no need for a stand at Red Rocks because they allow you to clamp to their railings but at other venues, clamping is forbidden and running a stand is the only option unless you don't mind putting them on your head and open stealthing. Strange policy not to have a taping section but there are lots of open taping bands that don't allow stands so I'm just grateful they are allowing it at all. I really am happy we're allowed to tape openly and share on archive.org This is definitely a good thing so let's not screw it up, guys. Just get out and tape however you can within the rules. :)