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So very sad about me
06-30-2002, 08:38 PM
they fucking piss me off.
This married couple i met today at a spay/neuter clinic was like "we're making our dog a vegan"

WTF!!!!!!!

scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 08:40 PM
vegans are, by definition, stupid...

anyone that disagrees is also stupid - got that?!

13
06-30-2002, 08:44 PM
I <3 Jesus

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Too Dumb to Mean It
06-30-2002, 08:44 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
vegans are, by definition, stupid...

anyone that disagrees is also stupid - got that?!</font>

Hey, I'm going to try something:

"Worst. Post. Evar."

Did it work? Am I witty?

meow
06-30-2002, 08:46 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Too Dumb to Mean It:
Hey, I'm going to try something:

"Worst. Post. Evar."

Did it work? Am I witty?</font>

Dave is witty. You are not.

scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 08:46 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Too Dumb to Mean It:
Did it work? Am I witty?</font>

limited success. no.

meow
06-30-2002, 08:47 PM
I thought that you were complaining that a vegan couple was making out at the vet.

Too Dumb to Mean It
06-30-2002, 08:47 PM
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. At least one of us can use banal catchphrases to our advantage!

bonsor
06-30-2002, 08:49 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by meow:
Dave is witty. </font>come again?

So very sad about me
06-30-2002, 08:52 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ******:
come again?

</font>


THat post won't gain you any votes for being witty!

Nadia
06-30-2002, 08:53 PM
ooops i meant i hate meat eaters... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

[This message has been edited by Nadia (edited 06-30-2002).]

meow
06-30-2002, 08:53 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ******:
come again?

</font>I think I have a mild crush on you.

So very sad about me
06-30-2002, 08:54 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by meow:
I think I have a mild crush on you.

</font>

Get your hormones under control, woman!
Do you realize what you just said????

scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 08:55 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by So very sad about me:
THat post won't gain you any votes for being witty!
</font>

aww, don't say that...he thought really hard about the one too...

13
06-30-2002, 08:56 PM
Generally I would assume that Vegans are more evolved than the rest of us, but anyone who imposes a particular lifestyle on a dog is stupid.

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Ghetto_Squirrel
06-30-2002, 08:57 PM
This thread looks hostile. I'd better leave and return to my soy products.

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Fattening Ass
06-30-2002, 08:57 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by meow:
I think I have a mild crush on you.

</font>
<font color=font colors fucking suck>
this would make for a new comic stip for someone else to make!<font color=black size=1>

[This message has been edited by Fattening Ass (edited 06-30-2002).]

scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 08:58 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Nadia:
ooops i meant i hate meat eaters... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif
</font>

there's a world of difference between non-meat eaters and vegans, sweet-cheeks..

scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 08:59 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by 13:
Generally I would assume that Vegans are more evolved than the rest of us</font>

care to explain the logic underpinning that conclusion?

pale_princess
06-30-2002, 09:00 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
vegans are, by definition, stupid...

anyone that disagrees is also stupid - got that?!</font>

bonsor
06-30-2002, 09:01 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by So very sad about me:

THat post won't gain you any votes for being witty!

</font>It was an idle comment. I have nothing to prove.

13
06-30-2002, 09:02 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
care to explain the logic underpinning that conclusion?</font>

my personal world view- no offense



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scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 09:10 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ******:
I have nothing to prove.
</font>

******'s Total Posts: 15684

that's a whole lot of 'nothing to prove' right there...

bonsor
06-30-2002, 09:12 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
******'s Total Posts: 15684

that's a whole lot of 'nothing to prove' right there...</font><font color="0084ff">What's the correlation between my post count and your comment?

Too Dumb to Mean It
06-30-2002, 09:13 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
******'s Total Posts: 15684

that's a whole lot of 'nothing to prove' right there...</font>

Wait, so because he spends a lot of time here, he's trying to "prove" something? Yeah, okay.

scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 09:15 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ******:
What's the correlation between my post count and your comment?</font>

well, are you trying to suggest that your 15,000+ posts were all "idle comments"?

meow
06-30-2002, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by scouse_dave: <font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
******'s Total Posts: 15684

that's a whole lot of 'nothing to prove' right there...</font> Originally posted by ******:
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2"><font color="0084ff">What's the correlation between my post count and your comment?</font>
Correction: 15687



[This message has been edited by meow (edited 06-30-2002).]

scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 09:16 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Too Dumb to Mean It:
Wait, so because he spends a lot of time here, he's trying to "prove" something? Yeah, okay.</font>

i love how you're following me around the board, trying to pick up on everything i say...

it's really quite flattering

Too Dumb to Mean It
06-30-2002, 09:18 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
i love how you're following me around the board, trying to pick up on everything i say...

it's really quite flattering</font>

Anything for you, dear.

bonsor
06-30-2002, 09:20 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
well, are you trying to suggest that your 15,000+ posts were all "idle comments"?

</font><font color="0084ff">Not at all. Do you like to assume things?

scouse_dave
06-30-2002, 09:27 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ******:
Do you like to assume things?</font>

i wouldn't use the word 'like', but yeah, i assume certain things

just like you, johnny!

Irrelevant
06-30-2002, 09:45 PM
if you want to pick on someone, people that eat milk products are stupid. the human digestive track was not made to handle them.

choosing not to eat meat because you don't feel it's right, i don't see how that's so dumb.

Fattening Ass
06-30-2002, 09:49 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Irrelevant:
if you want to pick on someone, people that eat milk products are stupid. the human digestive track was not made to handle them.

choosing not to eat meat because you don't feel it's right, i don't see how that's so dumb.</font>
<font color=font colors fucking suck>
shut up.

Graveflower
06-30-2002, 09:52 PM
Fly away, scouse Dove, fly away, you symbol of peace.

Lie
06-30-2002, 09:55 PM
Why does what people eat make you so fucking angry? If you want to eat pigeon turds, that's absolutely fine with me.

Too Dumb to Mean It
06-30-2002, 09:58 PM
Well, the fact that they're trying to make their dog into a vegan is pretty ridiculous. Other than that, live and let live.

bittertrance
06-30-2002, 09:59 PM
moby


GO!~

Undone
06-30-2002, 10:00 PM
<font color="CC33CC">*smiles sweetly*

Travis_Wright
06-30-2002, 10:00 PM
nobody listens to moby

Undone
06-30-2002, 10:01 PM
<font color="CC33CC">Oh yeah, and dogs are omnivorous btw. The people probably are afraid to let the dog hunt for its own food b/c of traffic or whatever, and also want to avoid dogfood that has all kinds of scary shit in it (like "recycled" pets that are euthanized etc. I fucking kid ye not).

Fattening Ass
06-30-2002, 10:01 PM
<font color=font colors fucking suck>M&M sux

Lie
06-30-2002, 10:02 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Too Dumb to Mean It:
Well, the fact that they're trying to make their dog into a vegan is pretty ridiculous. Other than that, live and let live.</font>

I would think it would inspire hilarity before anger, though.

Translucence
06-30-2002, 10:02 PM
Yeah, dogs can technically be vegetarians, they have vegetarian food out there that's for dogs. Some dogs have allergies to certain meat products, so they have to eat vegetarian dog food.

bittertrance
06-30-2002, 10:11 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Travis_Wright:
nobody listens to moby</font>

sure they do...commercials, movies, cd's

Ihaman
06-30-2002, 10:15 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ******:
<font color="0084ff">What's the correlation between my post count and your comment?</font>

</font>
for some very unknown reason, that post made me laugh.

wangcomputers
06-30-2002, 10:55 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Irrelevant:
if you want to pick on someone, people that eat milk products are stupid. the human digestive track was not made to handle them.

choosing not to eat meat because you don't feel it's right, i don't see how that's so dumb.</font>

i agree.

dogs are omnivors, but i believe that most of their natural diet still consists of meat.

Humans on the other hand are omnivores, but our natural diet is more based on vegetation. We've evolved from apes, who are naturally herbivores.

I don't think there is any other animal on the planet which is more unnaturally obese than the human and one of the reasons that is, is down to the amount of meat we eat.
It is because of our state of evolution that we so far at the top of the food chain, high positions should warrant high responsibilities.

I eat meat, so I'm not saying that I'm all innocent, I think that the justification for animal sacrifice to eat only what you need to is fair, and I still commend people who are willing to take up vegan or vegetarian diets.
Iím just too lazy to do that.<font color=black>

[This message has been edited by wangcomputers (edited 07-01-2002).]

wangcomputers
07-01-2002, 12:06 AM
http://www.vegpets.com/bb/read.php?TID=44&page=1

i found this thread about vegan dogs.

So very sad about me
07-01-2002, 02:02 AM
excellent site...

actually only this page is excellent.
http://www.vegpets.com/bb/read.php?TID=42

And to clarify....I have no problem with vegans. I have problems with vegans who believe that animals should be vegans.
Oh yeah, and vegans who believe that honey exploits bees. Other than that I'm cool w/ it.

Mayfuck
07-01-2002, 02:32 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by So very sad about me:
And to clarify....I have no problem with vegans. I have problems with vegans who believe that animals should be vegans.
Oh yeah, and vegans who believe that honey exploits bees. Other than that I'm cool w/ it.

</font>

A dog's environment is one that is removed from nature. It is the definition of a dog since dogs are the only of their canine counterparts to not exist in the wild at all. Thus their captive, artifical surrounding is their natural environment, as modified by the lifestyle of their owner. This is natural for the dog to adapt to the lifestyle of their owner. Like, farmers, for example. Sheep herding was never function for a dog, but we don't accuse farmers of forcefully imposing their lifestyle on an animal. The same should be said for vegans. Or I dunno, did thi smake sense?

So very sad about me
07-01-2002, 02:38 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mayfuck:
A dog's environment is one that is removed from nature. It is the definition of a dog since dogs are the only of their canine counterparts to not exist in the wild at all. Thus their captive, artifical surrounding is their natural environment, as modified by the lifestyle of their owner. This is natural for the dog to adapt to the lifestyle of their owner. Like, farmers, for example. Sheep herding was never function for a dog, but we don't accuse farmers of forcefully imposing their lifestyle on an animal. The same should be said for vegans. Or I dunno, did thi smake sense?</font>

I remember there was some article posted here about a vegan couple who fed their child nuts and such and it starved to death...or was like 10 lbs at age 2 or something. I dunno.
Anyways, in that case, everyone here was like "that's so unfair"

I would argue that humans, given a choice, should be allowed to be vegans. However, dogs and cats, naturally carnivores, who can't voice their opinions, should be fed their natural diet.

wangcomputers
07-01-2002, 02:50 AM
i don't think that the artificial quality of our lifestyle should determine what eating habits we should impose on them; that just because they live with us, they should eat the same diet as we do..

I don't think there is a massive difference between wild and domesticated dogs.
Aside from the fact that they have been domesticated due to a symbiotic relationship with man, I don't think there is such a biological difference.

The whole BSE mad cow scare was due to the fact that farmers were feeding their cows meat-based food (ground up from sheep i believe), and i think this illustrates the importance of having responsibility regarding what we force animals to eat.

frail_and_bedazzled
07-01-2002, 06:33 AM
i hate it when people make little patches or whatever that say "vegan" on their backpacks, as if i'm supposed to be really impressed by that. "like, WHOA, dood, you're a rebel...eatin that tofu...look at you go!"
i don't know.

MyInnerSelf
07-01-2002, 07:29 PM
I am vegan

http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

bittertrance
07-01-2002, 08:55 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by frail_and_bedazzled:
i hate it when people make little patches or whatever that say "vegan" on their backpacks, as if i'm supposed to be really impressed by that. "like, WHOA, dood, you're a rebel...eatin that tofu...look at you go!"
i don't know. </font>


dont you always post pics of the clothes you bought?

frail_and_bedazzled
07-01-2002, 10:46 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by bittertrance:

dont you always post pics of the clothes you bought?</font>
what does that have to do with anything? i don't put fucking patches on my bookbags!

besides, my clothes are hot shit.

scouse_dave
07-02-2002, 09:01 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
I am vegan
http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif </font>

why are you vegan, pray tell?

General Board Moderator
07-02-2002, 11:13 AM
http://www.veganerotica.com/

Undone
07-02-2002, 12:12 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
I am vegan http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif </font>

<font color="CC33CC">Watch out before they gather us in a corner and burn our toenails off!

O'Doyle Rules
07-02-2002, 01:17 PM
i dated a vegan for a year. > http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

So very sad about me
07-02-2002, 03:27 PM
Do vegans spit after blow jobs?

So very sad about me
07-02-2002, 03:29 PM
http://store.veganerotica.com/images/dildo_harness_jock_l.jpg

DON"T WORRY FOLKS, ITS VEGAN!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/eek.gif

undivinemartyr
07-02-2002, 05:56 PM
: )

Oh, Netphoria. There should be an anthem for this board.

Injektilo
07-02-2002, 06:07 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by O'Doyle Rules:
i dated a vegan for a year. > http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif</font>

My girlfriend is a vegetarian, which is cool, but I'm scared she'll go vegan all of a sudden and start bugging me about my eating habits.
Plus it make it impossible for me to cook for her. Or vice versa.



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MyInnerSelf
07-02-2002, 09:35 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
why are you vegan, pray tell?</font>

I don't eat animals because i don't think it is right to harm and/or kill another creature who can deeply feel. I feel that it is not okay for people to do so because it is unnecessary to survival. The animals who eat other animals do so because they need to to survive. People don't need it, therefore I feel it is senseless to kill or harm another sentient being.
I don't eat milk and eggs etc because of the cruel conditions animals are kept in in the factories that produce milk and eggs.

Injektilo
07-02-2002, 10:04 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
I don't eat milk and eggs etc because of the cruel conditions animals are kept in in the factories that produce milk and eggs.

</font>

Now, by any chance, do you own any articles of clothing made in Southeast Asia, the Carribean or Latin America?

MyInnerSelf
07-02-2002, 10:42 PM
actually....uh...nope.
I also don't have any Nike shoes either.

bittertrance
07-02-2002, 10:58 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
actually....uh...nope.
I also don't have any Nike shoes either.</font>

yeah sketchers are better anyways

Mayfuck
07-02-2002, 11:01 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
I don't eat animals because i don't think it is right to harm and/or kill another creature who can deeply feel. I feel that it is not okay for people to do so because it is unnecessary to survival. The animals who eat other animals do so because they need to to survive. People don't need it, therefore I feel it is senseless to kill or harm another sentient being.
I don't eat milk and eggs etc because of the cruel conditions animals are kept in in the factories that produce milk and eggs.

</font>

So you're calling me a moral heathen then, right?

Nate the Grate
07-02-2002, 11:15 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by wangcomputers:
We've evolved from apes</font>

no we didn't.

on another note, I had a nice juicy barbequed steak today! mmmm mm, good eatin'!

jivewhiteboy
07-02-2002, 11:17 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mayfuck:
So you're calling me a moral heathen then, right?</font>

that's a pretty nice way to put it.

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wangcomputers
07-03-2002, 05:30 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Nate the Grate:
no we didn't.
</font>

you have probably evolved from excrement.
but i've evolved from this dude:

http://www.centerfortheperson.org/HUMAN%20EVOLUTION.jpg

relaxor!
07-03-2002, 06:09 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by frail_and_bedazzled:
i hate it when people make little patches or whatever that say "vegan" on their backpacks, as if i'm supposed to be really impressed by that. "like, WHOA, dood, you're a rebel...eatin that tofu...look at you go!"
i don't know. </font>

this was my favorite part of the thread.
speaking of which, I think that us Netphorians should all make a secret code symbol so that we can quickly identify one another if we pass on the street. or maybe a bumpersticker.

Nate the Grate
07-03-2002, 08:02 AM
*sigh*, it's a common misconception. we didn't evolve from apes, we simply had a common ancestor with them.

scouse_dave
07-03-2002, 11:44 AM
here we go...

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
I don't eat animals because i don't think it is right to harm and/or kill another creature who can deeply feel.</font>

so what's wrong with sedating them before killing 'em? they won't feel anything then...

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
I feel that it is not okay for people to do so because it is unnecessary to survival. The animals who eat other animals do so because they need to to survive.</font>

er...wrong. there are numerous cases of animals in the wild killing for fun/when they already have a plentiful supply.


<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
I don't eat milk and eggs etc because of the cruel conditions animals are kept in in the factories that produce milk and eggs.
</font>

do you use soap? or eat candy? or wear (most varieties of) shoes? etc etc

show me a person that says they don't own a single product that bears some relation to the mistreating/killing of animals and i'll show you a liar.


i have a couple of problems with vegans. the first is that of the cruelty issue, they don't want to see the animal suffer. would they be happy if the animal was drugged to its eyeballs and felt no pain when it was whacked over the head with an iron bar or whatever? i suspect, not. so this is bullshit.

the second thing that comes to mind is that they think it's okay to eat vegetables/fruit.

1. vegetables/fruit come from living organisms...what right have we got to eat their produce. the only difference between eating a apple and a fluffy bunny is that one has a cute lil face and will squeal when you kill it. which as i've said before, needn't be the case...it's possibly to kill animals perfectly humanely.

2. in what conditions do you think fruit/vegetables are harvested? they're not lovingly tended to by a benevolent farmer looking out for the interests of 'healthy' people round the world. it's a business. they wanna make money. there's a durect analogy between a chicken's egg and a tree's apple...

vegans need to get over themselves, they're no better than meat-eaters...

jivewhiteboy
07-03-2002, 12:10 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:


vegans need to get over themselves, they're no better than meat-eaters...

</font>

i don't recall anyone saying they were better.

first, most of the things you stated are personal views compiled from watching tv and personal experience.
i have no idea whether or not you've know too many vegans. you're the only one who knows that.
i'm not a vegan, but i am a vegetarian.

yes, it is possible someone might be using products from animals and not know it, but most vegans i know are pretty strict and make a vigorous effort to make sure they aren't and to actually do something to solve the problem, as opposed to people who just talk.

sure, animals kill animals. first, how do you know they do it just for fun. from what you've said i doubt you've ever read anything, except for maybe you've seen a couple programs on animal planet.
second, so what if they have. the point is, we're not apes. we're not lions and tigers and bears (tee hee), we are human. when we have children we don't lick them clean when they come out of our wombs and we certainly don't eat our own shit. so, comparing us to them in any aspect is ignorant.
the worst thing you did was trying to compare animals to fruits/vegetables. there is a huge difference and you're just doing it to be cute. fruits and vegetables do not have a nervous system or a brain. they can't feel pain and aren't comparable. i hope you weren't serious on that.

another fact; it is proven that humans have digestive tracks best suited for fruits, vegetables and grains as opposed to a tiger or lion who have larger digestive tracks suited for a meat diet and for their survival.
last, we are much too intelligent to continue to eat meat based diets.
take it as you want, but i've done much more research on the subject than most who have posted here, so it's up to how you feel morally, these are the facts....nigga!

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Lie
07-03-2002, 12:35 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
here we go...

do you use soap? or eat candy? or wear (most varieties of) shoes? etc etc

show me a person that says they don't own a single product that bears some relation to the mistreating/killing of animals and i'll show you a liar.


i have a couple of problems with vegans. the first is that of the cruelty issue, they don't want to see the animal suffer. would they be happy if the animal was drugged to its eyeballs and felt no pain when it was whacked over the head with an iron bar or whatever? i suspect, not. so this is bullshit.

the second thing that comes to mind is that they think it's okay to eat vegetables/fruit.

1. vegetables/fruit come from living organisms...what right have we got to eat their produce. the only difference between eating a apple and a fluffy bunny is that one has a cute lil face and will squeal when you kill it. which as i've said before, needn't be the case...it's possibly to kill animals perfectly humanely.

2. in what conditions do you think fruit/vegetables are harvested? they're not lovingly tended to by a benevolent farmer looking out for the interests of 'healthy' people round the world. it's a business. they wanna make money. there's a durect analogy between a chicken's egg and a tree's apple...

vegans need to get over themselves, they're no better than meat-eaters...</font>

Way to generalize the fuck out of something that's only a personal choice anyway. And what makes you think people need this explained to them? They're already doing whatever the hell they want for their own reasons, and there are plenty of good ones.

Lie
07-03-2002, 12:39 PM
With that out of the way, nothing you wrote just there made the least bit of sense anyway.

wangcomputers
07-03-2002, 03:28 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Nate the Grate:
*sigh*, it's a common misconception. we didn't evolve from apes, we simply had a common ancestor with them.</font>

perhaps bad terminology, my point still stands though.
If you keep tracing back through the origins of man, our primates would seem even less evolved than modern apes, and still herbivorous.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
so what's wrong with sedating them before killing 'em? they won't feel anything then...</font>

Youíre quite a smart guy dave, but I have to disagree with you here.

The vegan/vegetarian arguments don't merely centre on the pain torture aspects of animals. It rather concerns the needless killing of sentient life.

I put forward this analogy: Is it right to massacre a portion of the human population needlessly, even if they won't feel anything at the time that they are being exterminated?

If you think this analogy is absurd because you feel that the distinction between humans and animals too wide, then I don't think you're being realistic.
Can people do what they want if they are in the power to do so, regardless of the consequences?
This contradicts the principles of the regulation of power which exists in almost every authoritive construct and body i can think of, not to mention human ideology.
where one has power, there needs to be sufficient cause for imposing that power.

The only reason you have a problem with it, is because you don't like the idea of people taking the moral highground and condemning you for something you feel you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Vegan/vegetarians arenít hypocrites because they may inadvertently use animal products, theyíre still making a selfless moral effort.
The point is that vegan/vegetarian philosophy evokes a greater compassion for life; that they have considered other lifeforms before thinking about their own personal pleasure.
It's a consideration quality that I admire, and i wish more people (including myself) would have.<font color=black>

[This message has been edited by wangcomputers (edited 07-03-2002).]

DeviousJ
07-03-2002, 03:36 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
Stuff</font>

Dave, I don't think the majority of animals are necessarily killed (or even farmed) humanely - they are a resource on a production line, and to keep things as cheap and efficient as possible, guarantees can't be made. And I think there's a line drawn between sentient creatures and plants (although I can see Vegetable Rights groups springing up in 50 years when someone discovers plants can communicate with us)

You're right about everything being tainted, and that's a sad fact of life at the moment. But if people are making a conscious effort to try and limit their usage of these things, and improve the world by even 1 iota, then kudos to them. The sad part about this thread is that it seems to be more vegan bashing than self-righteous attacks on non-vegans. Maybe other people need to get over themselves :/

So very sad about me
07-03-2002, 06:12 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by DeviousJ:
. The sad part about this thread is that it seems to be more vegan bashing than self-righteous attacks on non-vegans. Maybe other people need to get over themselves :/</font>

That was the point!!!
My only disgust was with people who make dogs vegans

Undone
07-03-2002, 06:21 PM
<font color="CC33CC">Scouse Dave: I still can't quote properly after all this time, so I'll just say *thumbs up* to Lie, Devious J, and wangcomputers--there is way too much hostility in here hehe. And yes, Mayfuck, you can now make fun of me for seriously replying to this thread.

> do you use soap? or eat candy? or wear (most varieties of) shoes? etc etc

Like someone else said, it's all about attempting to reduce suffering. If I know a company (Nike) uses human slavery to create their products, I'll do what is in my power to avoid them. Same goes for leather. You can get vegetable based soap, and it's pretty easy to tell if candy is vegan or not--if it has milk or gelatin etc.

>the first is that of the cruelty issue, they don't want to see the animal suffer. would they be happy if the animal was drugged to its eyeballs and felt no pain when it was whacked over the head with an iron bar or whatever? i suspect, not. so this is bullshit.

This is also untrue. Refer to someone else's post. hah

>the second thing that comes to mind is that they think it's okay to eat vegetables/fruit.

1. as far as we know, there is no reason for plants to feel pain as they do not have a central nervous system. pain receptors are for avoiding tissue damage. since a plant has little/no motor skills, they cannot avoid tissue damage, and wouldn't need pain receptors.

2. even with that, it would be NICE if we didn't have to kill anything to live. since that is not the case, my opinion is that it is better to kill the least lives as possible. the animal industry results in much larger amounts of plant deaths. remember that 16 pounds of grain is processed into 1 pound of cow.

3. plants still have a relatively 'normal' life when farmed as they are not having basic rights infringed upon. (rights being those things based upon needs-- food, space, light, etc...of course rights vary by species since humans have the need for order and thus have the right towards voting etc while other animals do not have such needs/rights) this is not true for factory farmed animals. if you want some fairly tame photos of standard conditions, go here: <a href="http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery.htm">photos</a>

Argh, I took the bait. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

And doggie vegans: once again, this is more out of the want to not support the factory farming industry. There are animal byproducts in dog food that are far below the quality that humans are allowed to have, plus tons of chemicals and weird shit that I mentioned earlier (recycled euthanized pets)

DeviousJ
07-03-2002, 06:23 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by So very sad about me:
That was the point!!!
My only disgust was with people who make dogs vegans </font>

Yeah, but your thread has been hijacked, ma'am.

bonsor
07-03-2002, 06:27 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Nate the Grate:
no we didn't.</font><font color="0084ff">Dumbass.

Undone
07-03-2002, 06:28 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by relaxor!:
this was my favorite part of the thread.
speaking of which, I think that us Netphorians should all make a secret code symbol so that we can quickly identify one another if we pass on the street. or maybe a bumpersticker. </font>

<font color="CC33CC">Please, that's like a target. We'd be jumped and killed.

Lie
07-04-2002, 02:58 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by So very sad about me:
That was the point!!!
My only disgust was with people who make dogs vegans </font>

And yet you title the thread "I hate vegans!"

Lie
07-04-2002, 03:00 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Undone:
<font color="CC33CC">Please, that's like a target. We'd be jumped and killed.</font>

Yeah, we'd be so outnumbered it's not even funny.

So very sad about me
07-04-2002, 03:25 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Lie:
And yet you title the thread "I hate vegans!" </font>

*hands out "most observant" award*

Mayfuck
07-04-2002, 03:45 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Undone:
<font color="CC33CC">And yes, Mayfuck, you can now make fun of me for seriously replying to this thread.
</font>

Nah, you didn't ride in on a high horse this time. I don't think you realize I'm pro-vegetarian, pro-vegan. But I'd resent it if anyone says I'm incapable of being just as compassionate about animal rights as vegans or vegetarians are, which is probably why I've been riding your back in the past.

Undone
07-04-2002, 11:37 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mayfuck:
Nah, you didn't ride in on a high horse this time. I don't think you realize I'm pro-vegetarian, pro-vegan. But I'd resent it if anyone says I'm incapable of being just as compassionate about animal rights as vegans or vegetarians are, which is probably why I've been riding your back in the past.</font>

<font color="CC33CC">You can ride my back anytime baby :X

scouse_dave
07-04-2002, 01:59 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jivewhiteboy:
first, most of the things you stated are personal views compiled from watching tv and personal experience.</font>

thankyou, assumption king

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jivewhiteboy:
i have no idea whether or not you've know too many vegans. you're the only one who knows that.
</font>

i'm not gonna say i've known loads of vegans but i've met enough...

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jivewhiteboy:
yes, it is possible someone might be using products from animals and not know it, but most vegans i know are pretty strict and make a vigorous effort to make sure they aren't and to actually do something to solve the problem, as opposed to people who just talk.
</font>

my point was that they're unusually unrealistic about veganism/the world as a whole. i don't doubt their good intentions.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jivewhiteboy:
so, comparing us to them (animals) in any aspect is ignorant.</font>

how fuckin wrong you are. we ARE an animal, pure and simple...

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jivewhiteboy:
the worst thing you did was trying to compare animals to fruits/vegetables. there is a huge difference and you're just doing it to be cute. fruits and vegetables do not have a nervous system or a brain. they can't feel pain and aren't comparable. i hope you weren't serious on that.
</font>

i was being 100% serious on that point. i was trying to illustrate that the objection some people have to animals feeling pain is not a valid one. you missed it entirely. well done.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jivewhiteboy:
another fact; it is proven that humans have digestive tracks best suited for fruits, vegetables and grains AS OPPOSED to a tiger or lion who have larger digestive tracks suited for a meat diet and for their survival.</font>

i highlighted the important bit of your passage there...hope you understand...

i doubt it tho...

scouse_dave
07-04-2002, 02:01 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Lie:
With that out of the way, nothing you wrote just there made the least bit of sense anyway.</font>

nice critque there lie...care to pick me up on a specific point that didn't make sense?

jivewhiteboy
07-04-2002, 02:16 PM
i'm not going to make a big "pot kettle black" arguement out of this.
dave, i did get your point, there wasn't much to get. i'm just saying numbing the pain doesn't make it right and other animals have different genetic makeups than us and lower intellegence, so we can't compare them to us. anyway, i'm not going to get into that anymore. i'm just going to give a couple of good websites to look over some actual facts about the subject instead of a millions assumptions and theories.

www.eatveg.com (http://www.eatveg.com)
http://uglygrrrl.homestead.com/meat.html

you can refuse it if you choose, but then you're just continuing with an uninformed view, LIKE A DUMB STUPID AMERICAN. there, i said it.

------------------
"Honies play me close like butter played toast, from the Mississippi down to the east coast."

scouse_dave
07-04-2002, 02:26 PM
why read factual stuff off websites, when you have this...

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jivewhiteboy:
animals have different genetic makeups than us and lower intellegence...</font>

Mayfuck
07-04-2002, 02:32 PM
If jivewhiteboy didn't do a good job of making his point clear, I'm sure Dan, J and Rhonda did. Maybe you should read their posts, Dave!

MyInnerSelf
07-04-2002, 03:40 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mayfuck:
So you're calling me a moral heathen then, right?</font>

no, but if you want me to I will.

Originally posted by Scouse_Dave:
"so what's wrong with sedating them before killing 'em? they won't feel anything then..."

For the same reason it is wrong to sedate people before killing them. Why do we have the right to kill animals? We don't. Not unless we have to to survive. And we don't need to to survive.

"er...wrong. there are numerous cases of animals in the wild killing for fun/when they already have a plentiful supply."

Like what? They may enjoy killing their prey, but they do not kill just because it is fun.

"do you use soap? or eat candy? or wear (most varieties of) shoes? etc etc"

Certain soaps I do. (as long as they contain no animal ingredients and are not tested on animals) Candy-some candy, not jube jubes or anything that has geletin in them. Shoes-as long as they are synthetic and do not contain any animal parts. etc etc

"i have a couple of problems with vegans. the first is that of the cruelty issue, they don't want to see the animal suffer. would they be happy if the animal was drugged to its eyeballs and felt no pain when it was whacked over the head with an iron bar or whatever? i suspect, not. so this is bullshit."

I would be happier if the animal felt no pain, but i would still not approve. It is also not the actuall killing that is cruel, it is also the way their lives are before they are killed as well. The slaughter houses do not treat the animals kindly the at all before their lives are taken away.

Vegetables and fruit: Humans, no matter if you eat meat or not, need plants to survive. One cannot live a healthy life by just eating meat, eggs, and dairy. However, I do believe that plants should not be destroyed needlessly. Plants do not have brains or a nervous system either, so I believe they do not feel pain. I have no proof that they do. But like I said, we need plants to survive. We do not need to eat animals to survive.

Also, I try the best I can to live a life that causes the least amount of suffering for all creatures. I make mistakes now and again. (Eating something that i think is vegan, but finding out later it wasn't) That just means I won't eat it again. All i can do is try my best day to day and try to make the best decisions in order to cause the least amount of suffering I can.

Graveflower
07-04-2002, 03:55 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MyInnerSelf:
no, but if you want me to I will.

Originally posted by Scouse_Dave:
"so what's wrong with sedating them before killing 'em? they won't feel anything then..."

For the same reason it is wrong to sedate people before killing them. Why do we have the right to kill animals? We don't. Not unless we have to to survive. And we don't need to to survive.

"er...wrong. there are numerous cases of animals in the wild killing for fun/when they already have a plentiful supply."

Like what? They may enjoy killing their prey, but they do not kill just because it is fun.

"do you use soap? or eat candy? or wear (most varieties of) shoes? etc etc"

Certain soaps I do. (as long as they contain no animal ingredients and are not tested on animals) Candy-some candy, not jube jubes or anything that has geletin in them. Shoes-as long as they are synthetic and do not contain any animal parts. etc etc

"i have a couple of problems with vegans. the first is that of the cruelty issue, they don't want to see the animal suffer. would they be happy if the animal was drugged to its eyeballs and felt no pain when it was whacked over the head with an iron bar or whatever? i suspect, not. so this is bullshit."

I would be happier if the animal felt no pain, but i would still not approve. It is also not the actuall killing that is cruel, it is also the way their lives are before they are killed as well. The slaughter houses do not treat the animals kindly the at all before their lives are taken away.

Vegetables and fruit: Humans, no matter if you eat meat or not, need plants to survive. One cannot live a healthy life by just eating meat, eggs, and dairy. However, I do believe that plants should not be destroyed needlessly. Plants do not have brains or a nervous system either, so I believe they do not feel pain. I have no proof that they do. But like I said, we need plants to survive. We do not need to eat animals to survive.

Also, I try the best I can to live a life that causes the least amount of suffering for all creatures. I make mistakes now and again. (Eating something that i think is vegan, but finding out later it wasn't) That just means I won't eat it again. All i can do is try my best day to day and try to make the best decisions in order to cause the least amount of suffering I can. </font>

http://www.kissfm.com/timages/page/moby.jpg

MyInnerSelf
07-04-2002, 07:18 PM
not quite sure what that is supposed to mean...

relaxor!
07-04-2002, 07:23 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Graveflower:
http://www.kissfm.com/timages/page/moby.jpg </font>
while that was a rather stupid thing to post, it was still funny. good play.

Lie
07-04-2002, 11:56 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
nice critque there lie...care to pick me up on a specific point that didn't make sense?</font>

Nah, not really. This argument is tiring.

Mayfuck
07-05-2002, 02:09 AM
Yeah, Lie won.

funnygeezus
07-05-2002, 02:51 AM
<font color=slate>100

MyInnerSelf
07-05-2002, 02:59 AM
101
yipdi doo

scouse_dave
07-08-2002, 01:16 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mayfuck:
Maybe you should read their posts, Dave!</font>

Maybe i've read their posts, and maybe i disagree with them, Julio!

scouse_dave
07-08-2002, 01:18 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mayfuck:
Yeah, Lie won.
</font>

and you lost. gg.

DeviousJ
07-08-2002, 01:46 PM
wbx, thread