Reznor told NME.COM:

"I was never a big Smashing Pumpkins fan back when they were the Pumpkins, not to shit on Billy (Corgan) or anything but I don't hear anything that would make me want to care.

"I think trying to resurrect the name Smashing Pumpkins .........its all a bit corporate for me."



http://www.nme.com/news/nine-inch-nails/30619

pity cause I thought they both owned at Pukkelpop.

well of course trent would say that.

it's a valid opinion. i recognize that trent is talented, but i rarely rarely ever hear the guy do anything that makes me care. I thought year zero was horrible.

Well this ought to go eight pages or more.

Howdy Kahlo.

Hey.

Trent hasn't brought out anything interesting since The Fragile. He is just jealous that Courtney returns Billy's calls.

Trent's really done nothing that great since Broken. So he really doesn't have room to talk. The two newest records were just boring and him all buffed out looks weird.

Is this a competition?

Trent hasn't done anything interesting since 1989!! Infact neither has Billy. Bring back the Marked.

Screw Trent Reznor; I'm deleting his albums off my computer.

i agree with trent about the revival being commercial, but he's only got the hump cause he can't write music quite as good or as interesting as billy's.

Trent is short and chubby. Billy is tall and slim. I bet El Trent is just being jealous.

Bring back the Marked.

:banging:

He is sore because NIN had 7 years to make up the gap, and they are still only as good as an SP support band.

Also Trent is not chubby.

it's a valid opinion.
This is going to be totally forgotten in this thread. Trent is all about heart on your sleeve lyricism. And billy is all about having so much poetic flourish that sometimes you wonder if thats all there is.

We've covered the corporate tinge to SP2 to death as well.

So try not to embarass yourselves noobs.

Also Trent is not chubby.

nah not chubby but when i saw him a few months back i immediately thought of henry rollins

YOUR NUMBER IS ONE

ONE

ONE

THE ONLY ONE THAT NUMBER IS ONE!

By the way, fantastic avatar ???. I've been looking to buy that game for like eight years. I may have missed it more than the Pumpkins.

Of course, both went through their rough patches.

See: Adore
See also: FFVIII

Is this a competition?
isn't everything.

trent's point is spot-on.

meh. i like both trent and billy, but don't put too much stock into either opinion. I have my own, which is all that really makes any difference to me. I'm sure bill will now retaliate with some immature jab at trent. reminds me of the old billy vs gavin days.

he's not chubby, but that trent is short... met him at a bar down in new orleans, wasn't much bigger than me (and i'm only 5' 3"). A nice enough fellow though. He lived a block away from a friend of mine, and my friend used to run into him at the local k&b fairly often, said he was top notch. I'm not too bothered by his opinion of SP, plenty of people I love dearly can't stand SP.

trent's point is spot-on.

i agree... but the best part about it is the things he's accusing corgan of fit him perfectly as well. he has a new band every album, so NIN is basically just a name with marketability... just like SP.

don't take this is me getting defensive for someone knocking corgan... cuz if you look back at my posts, i've done plenty of knockin on the dude. and this is also coming from someone who sided with Malkmus during their beef...

But did trent reznor really criticize someone else's music? are you kidding me?? i really find his dark wave/ synth goth to be utterly boring. there's a reason that respected music media outlets around the globe always scratch their heads when people bring up NIN. they suck.

Netphoria is the only respected music media outlet around the globe to which i subscribe.

Netphoria is the only respected music media outlet around the globe to which i subscribe.

:rofl: good one ted.

meh. i like both trent and billy, but don't put too much stock into either opinion. I have my own, which is all that really makes any difference to me. I'm sure bill will now retaliate with some immature jab at trent. reminds me of the old billy vs gavin days.
boys will be boys huh. although i recall mostly respectful things about Trent from Billy.

obligatory mention of Starcrf***ers, Inc. video.

i really find his dark wave/ synth goth to be utterly boring.

I find your dark wave/synth goth to be utterly boring. So you don't get to have an opinion on music or anything else.

to bad that NiN are crap

He saying that bringing back the pumpkis is a bit corprate. Its no different than him bringing different musicians to play his music throughout his career. Billy and Jimmy are The Smashing Pumpkins. What a reject trent is...

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He saying that bringing back the pumpkis is a bit corprate. Its no different than him bringing different musicians to play his music throughout his career. Billy and Jimmy are The Smashing Pumpkins. What a reject trent is...
It is different. How many times did billy say the smashing pumpkins are billy, jimmy, james and d'arcy? And how many times has trent said that NIN are a certain bunch of people?

Its ok you dont really have to count, just stop acting like an idiot.

NiN are a joke...a bunch of computer effects...no talent...cmon capital g???
and other shit songs on year zero sound just terrible

quite a bit but that was a long time ago. And james and darcy did not contribute to much.

yeah. playing hundreds of shows for 10 years really isnt contributing much.

Hmmm. He's still mad that Eye was the only reason people bought the Lost Highway Soundtrack? Get over it, dood... and how is NIN less corporate than SP? Just wondering if you could get back to me, trent.

NiN are a joke...a bunch of computer effects...no talent...

are you fucking kidding me? you think mcr is talented but not NIN?


oh noes, trent said something not so nice about our billy! we must KILL TRENT REZN0R right now!!

Let me hear YOU sit down at your computer with your little computer effects and come up with pretty hate machine, the downward spiral, broken. No? didn't think so.
God forbid this guy has an opinion about billy that sp fans don't like. How could he, that talentless hack?

:rolleyes:

reminds me of the old billy vs gavin days.

What did Gavin say?

What did Gavin say?
He put his cock in the mouth of one of the moderators on this board and billy went CRAZY.

lol, i don't even remember. something derogatory. it may have been started by bill though; i wouldn't be surprised. this was over a decade ago, my old brain doesn't recall...

He put his cock in the mouth of one of the moderators on this board and billy went CRAZY.

or it could've been that too.

are you fucking kidding me? you think mcr is talented but not NIN?


oh noes, trent said something not so nice about our billy! we must KILL TRENT REZN0R right now!!

Let me hear YOU sit down at your computer with your little computer effects and come up with pretty hate machine, the downward spiral, broken. No? didn't think so.
God forbid this guy has an opinion about billy that sp fans don't like. How could he, that talentless hack?

:rolleyes:

NiN are just not good...they never were good...cmon ...they are crap...drumming sounds like paris hilton sucking dick, lyrics are pointless ... etc...
they just are not good

lol, i don't even remember. something derogatory. it may have been started by bill though; i wouldn't be surprised. this was over a decade ago, my old brain doesn't recall...

I recall Bill calling them a Nirvana rip off

Hmmm. He's still mad that Eye was the only reason people bought the Lost Highway Soundtrack? Get over it, dood... and how is NIN less corporate than SP? Just wondering if you could get back to me, trent.


Trent refused to let the record lable put out more than on version of his album. Billy let the lable shit all over the fans. Pretty simple to figure that one out.

I recall Bill calling them a Nirvana rip off


^ basically, he said something like they [and several other bands] were riding the "grunge wave"

NiN are just not good...they never were good...cmon ...they are crap...drumming sounds like paris hilton sucking dick, lyrics are pointless ... etc...
they just are not good
but they are actually...good... if you listen to them... but really...i mean, the music is ace... the guitars with... and the albums... good stuff... and so on... just...i like

NiN are just not good...they never were good...cmon ...they are crap...drumming sounds like paris hilton sucking dick, lyrics are pointless ... etc...
they just are not good

i've got news for you, just because you personally do not like something, it's not "crap", and the artist is not "talentless".
NIN songs are intricate, well arranged works that speak to many many people on the same level SP speaks to the people who frequent this board. To call Trent "talentless" because you don't enjoy the sounds is arrogant and ignorant on your part. Talent isn't determined by whether ol' M. Night likes it or not.

NiN are just not good...they never were good...cmon ...they are crap...drumming sounds like paris hilton sucking dick, lyrics are pointless ... etc...
they just are not good

march of the pigs sounds like paris hilton sucking dick? the lyrics to hurt are pointless? the fragile is crap?

man alive, what is wrong with you people?!

to give you an example, m. night, old buddy, let me say this:
i don't like Primus. I don't like Dave Matthews. You won't see me buying any of their albums, and if they come on the radio, I'll probably see what else is on.
but those guys have talent. I couldn't do what they do, and I'm a fairly decent musician. I don't have the right to call them "talentless crap" because I certainly can't compete with them. So I'll leave it at "I don't like that"
Can you do what Trent Reznor does? Can you play all the instruments on an album, produce it, arrange it, etc? And then put it out into the world where millions of people will buy it, come to your shows, obsess over you? No? Then your declaration of Trent's lack of talent means as little as my would-be declaration of Dave Matthew's or Les Claypool's lack of talent. Nada.

i've got news for you, just because you personally do not like something, it's not "crap", and the artist is not "talentless".
NIN songs are intricate, well arranged works that speak to many many people on the same level SP speaks to the people who frequent this board. To call Trent "talentless" because you don't enjoy the sounds is arrogant and ignorant on your part. Talent isn't determined by whether ol' M. Night likes it or not.

this drives me nuts because it really just means that whoever is saying "that sucks" has a looser grasp on the english language than he or she would like to think. "NIN sucks" now means "i don't like NIN". but if he really thinks that NIN is terrible, then the guy just becomes spellbindingly motherfucking idiotic.

What NIN album should I buy? I don't have any, and I'm intrigued.

i cant believe you guys like NiN? there is no melody, no guitar solos,
no acoustic stuff, no piano stuff ...
they just keep loading that computer bullshit that they call music over and over...
hurt by j. cash is a good song...
hurt by NiN is just bad

this drives me nuts because it really just means that whoever is saying "that sucks" has a looser grasp on the english language than he or she would like to think. "NIN sucks" now means "i don't like NIN". but if he really thinks that NIN is terrible, then the guy just becomes spellbindingly motherfucking idiotic.

exactly. improper use of the english language I can handle, dumbass arrogant douchebaggery, I cannot.

dmb sux.

What NIN album should I buy? I don't have any, and I'm intrigued.

my three favorites are pretty hate machine, broken, and the downward spiral. I enjoy the others as well though. Pretty hate machine is a classic.

What NIN album should I buy? I don't have any, and I'm intrigued.
all of them, ok.

alrighty, thank ya :)

jesus people, who gives a shit?

so anyway, i just ate some egg beaters.

i cant believe you guys like NiN? there is no melody, no guitar solos,
no acoustic stuff, no piano stuff ...
they just keep loading that computer bullshit that they call music over and over...
hurt by j. cash is a good song...
hurt by NiN is just bad

alright, you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about. cretin.

eh, he's just grumpy. I think it's funny that he's trying to start shit for God knows what reason. "not to shit on Billy but ehhh I never liked your band." Someone wants their name in NME.

Play nice, children.

jesus people, who gives a shit?

so anyway, i just ate some egg beaters.

hey, we finally got something to stay on topic for almost a page.


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how're them beaters?

i cant believe you guys like NiN? there is no melody, no guitar solos,
no acoustic stuff, no piano stuff ...
they just keep loading that computer bullshit that they call music over and over...
hurt by j. cash is a good song...
hurt by NiN is just bad

so you're sticking with that "my opinion is fact" argument, eh?
not going to answer my question about whether you could do this? Tell you what, download either idrum or hydrogen, they're free drum machines. Get yourself audacity to record, and find some free synth demos or shareware. Then make us a song that demonstrates why you're qualified to tell us what TALENT is.

Not everyone cares about acoustic stuff. Some people *gasp!* like electronic music. Oh! like billy! whaddya know!
No guitar solos! oh my, NIN can't possibly be good, they don't have guitar solos!

get a load of this guy.

jesus people, who gives a shit?

so anyway, i just ate some egg beaters.

another boring day at work. this entertains me. don't worry, i'm not losing sleep over it :)

i'm pretty sure this only-talented-people-are-allowed-to-criticize stuff doesn't fly. either everyone can criticize or no one can. i am personally a believer in the latter.

no tcm, you misunderstand me!
I think anyone can critique something. Anyone can say I hate that! and i don't mind. Anyone can say what they don't like about it, i don't care.
But this m. night person is saying that Trent has no talent, and that just makes no sense. I get tired of seeing people argue that because they don't like something, it's obviously not worthy of existance.

you might have strayed a bit suggesting that he make his own music. erm, *music*.

i don't think i misunderstand you. criticizing is not just saying what one likes or doesn't like. if talent is real and can be measured, there's no reason you should have to have it to judge it.

but it's all bunk to me anyway.

so you're sticking with that "my opinion is fact" argument, eh?
not going to answer my question about whether you could do this? Tell you what, download either idrum or hydrogen, they're free drum machines. Get yourself audacity to record, and find some free synth demos or shareware. Then make us a song that demonstrates why you're qualified to tell us what TALENT is.

Not everyone cares about acoustic stuff. Some people *gasp!* like electronic music. Oh! like billy! whaddya know!
No guitar solos! oh my, NIN can't possibly be good, they don't have guitar solos!

get a load of this guy.

i am an exotic dancer, not a musician...i can shake my ass like no one
wanna see baby?
and i am a girl!!!
not a guy

M.Night is a girl???

hm. well, you might be right tcm. But I think you should be able to UNDERSTAND it before you can judge it so harshly (which is why i suggest he try to make his own...it's not as if electronic musicians just push random buttons and the computers do the work). It's clear from his posts that he doesn't understand much about what goes into making this type of music. And no melody? really?

i am an exotic dancer, not a musician...i can shake my ass like no one
wanna see baby?
and i am a girl!!!
not a guy

so you're just a dumb stripper, then. this explains a lot.

i am an exotic dancer, not a musician...i can shake my ass like no one
wanna see baby?
and i am a girl!!!
not a guy

sorry, i get that one a lot too, i should know better.
and i'll pass on seeing your booty shaking, though i'm sure there are others here who might be interested.

I don't mean anything by all of this by the way. I definitely find your logic to be skewed, but it's nothing personal.

hm. well, you might be right tcm. But I think you should be able to UNDERSTAND it before you can judge it so harshly (which is why i suggest he try to make his own...it's not as if electronic musicians just push random buttons and the computers do the work). It's clear from his posts that he doesn't understand much about what goes into making this type of music. And no melody? really?
i dunno, i always thought the guy was a troll.

could be a troll. indeed.

i am an exotic dancer, not a musician...i can shake my ass like no one
wanna see baby?
and i am a girl!!!
not a guy


Naked pics might actaully make us care what you have to say.

my point in a nutshell is this... as someone who is learning to use the computer to create music, having previously used only "real" instruments, I can attest to the fact that it's a complicated process. And to do so takes patience and skill. To write a good song takes talent. M. Night said, "hurt by johnny cash, good, hurt by NIN, bad". Well Trent wrote the song. Just because you prefer one delivery over another, makes no difference when it comes to judging the amount of talent involved in writing the song.

Naked pics might actaully make us care what you have to say.

ok...tomorow i ll post a video or some pics of me working ...
it takes alot of guts to go on stage in front of beer drinking horny fat
bald idiots...
so...this thread is proof that we are all losers

I'm a NIN fan. Probably in my top 5 bands. However, Year Zero was a piece of shit. I don't want to hear another word out of Trent's mouth until he gives me my $14.99 back.

ok...tomorow i ll post a video or some pics of me working ...
it takes alot of guts to go on stage in front of beer drinking horny fat
bald idiots...
so...this thread is proof that we are all losers

no, it takes a complete lack of self-respect and complete desperation. this thread proves nothing besides how moronic you are.

I'm a NIN fan. Probably in my top 5 bands. However, Year Zero was a piece of shit. I don't want to hear another word out of Trent's mouth until he gives me my $14.99 back.

how about we not hear a word out of <i>your</i> mouth until trent gives you your 14.99 back?

my point in a nutshell is this... as someone who is learning to use the computer to create music, having previously used only "real" instruments, I can attest to the fact that it's a complicated process. And to do so takes patience and skill.
Trent probably just has better computers than you.

Reznor told NME.COM:




http://www.nme.com/news/nine-inch-nails/30619
Thats funny because there is a video clip floating around in the late 90's that says that trent thinks Billy is one of the most influential people in music.

Maybe it was the from the Charlie Rose show and he quoted Trent while talking to Billy.

(for the adore tour)

I'm a NIN fan. Probably in my top 5 bands. However, Year Zero was a piece of shit. I don't want to hear another word out of Trent's mouth until he gives me my $14.99 back.

Ummm why would you ever buy an album with out listening to it online first?

Trent probably just has better computers than you.
can't argue with that.

Ummm why would you ever buy an album with out listening to it online first?

for reals. what is this, 1990?

Ummm why would you ever buy an album with out listening to it online first?

Well, like I said, I'm a pretty big NIN fan. I heard some of the album and didn't like it. I figured it might grow on me. Nope! I'd do the same if the Pumpkins put out a record and I didn't like what I'd heard online...

Well this ought to go eight pages or more.


three down...

how about we not hear a word out of <i>your</i> mouth until trent gives you your 14.99 back?

You give me $14.99 and I'll leave this board right now and never come back. Done deal.

i haven't heard the new stuff yet, besides survivalism. I wasn't that into it, but I'll give the other tracks a listen before I decide to buy it. Then again, I'm not a HUGE fan of NIN. I'd do the same with the pumpkins too...in fact, I did, I bought Machina, and i still don't like it.

Well, like I said, I'm a pretty big NIN fan. I heard some of the album and didn't like it. I figured it might grow on me. Nope! I'd do the same if the Pumpkins put out a record and I didn't like what I'd heard online...

The album was leaked track by track over like 6 weeks. Then the whole thing was on the NIN site streaming for weeks before it came out. You're the idiot who bught something you did'nt like.

What NIN album should I buy? I don't have any, and I'm intrigued.
In this order:
Downward Spiral
Broken
Year Zero
The Fragile
With Teeth
Pretty Hate Machine

also Year Zero was fucking awesome

on youtube there is an old video of me dancing...
i am gonna put it up on gen board...so comment ;)

you're sure to win 'em over now.
I'm pretty sure caine still won't care, i don't think you're his type.

You give me $14.99 and I'll leave this board right now and never come back. Done deal.

screw you, hippie.

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Troll.

no, it takes a complete lack of self-respect and complete desperation.


^^

it's on the gen board, too. pbbt.

but i have to admit... i wouldn't mind slapping that big ol' ass with wet newspaper. she'd probably let me, too.

The album was leaked track by track over like 6 weeks. Then the whole thing was on the NIN site streaming for weeks before it came out. You're the idiot who bught something you did'nt like.

You make a good point. I will have to write my $14.99 off as "idiot tax".

But seriously, Trent, next time can you make an album that isn't full of explosions and helicopter sounds. Then again, crap in a bowl and apparently I'll buy it. Either way, expect another $14.99 from me soon. Thanks.

last time i saw him live was shortly before his last lousy release. he played to an half empty hall in europe's most densely populated area. couple hundred people showed up, go figure....

screw you, hippie.

I'm not wearing hemp pants at the moment?

last time i saw him live was shortly before his last lousy release. he played to an half empty hall in europe's most densely populated area. couple hundred people showed up, go figure....


Yeah that TFE was horrible.

Well this ought to go eight pages or more.

Amazing. One half of one day and we're halfway there.

see what you've started, alex???

Yeah that TFE was horrible.
last time i saw the pumpkins shortly before their latest release several thousand tickets sold out in a matter of minutes

Trent, next time can you make an album that isn't full of explosions and helicopter sounds
:rofl:

last time i saw the pumpkins shortly before their latest release several thousand tickets sold out in a matter of minutes


I can say the same thing about NIN on every tour they have done, not just selected ones.

last time i saw the pumpkins shortly before their latest release several thousand tickets sold out in a matter of minutes
i'm sure this has nothing to do with the fact that they hadn't toured in seven years. NOTHING.

It's not any more corporate than the retread that was "With Teeth" after the adventure, for better or worse, of "The Fragile" (for better, in my opinion). Old Trent's been reading too much Chomsky lately.

I am a NIN fan, but their shows are a little auto-pilot, as are the arrangements of the songs. Might as well be listening to the CD very loudly.

As far as Reznor's thoughts on Corgan, remember what he said in the Rolling Stone interview for "Lost Highway" in 97: something like, "I plan on staying ten steps ahead of Billy Corgan."

We should also remember that Courtney Love considers Corgan a "great fuck", whereas she refers to Reznor as "three-inch nails." Poor guy.

It's not any more corporate than the retread that was "With Teeth" after the adventure, for better or worse, of "The Fragile" (for better, in my opinion). Old Trent's been reading too much Chomsky lately.

I am a NIN fan, but their shows are a little auto-pilot, as are the arrangements of the songs. Might as well be listening to the CD very loudly.

As far as Reznor's thoughts on Corgan, remember what he said in the Rolling Stone interview for "Lost Highway" in 97: something like, "I plan on staying ten steps ahead of Billy Corgan."

We should also remember that Courtney Love considers Corgan a "great fuck", whereas she refers to Reznor as "three-inch nails." Poor guy.


If Trent was willing to write and produce her albums I"m sure she would say he was a great fuck.

it used to be like that here in germany up to fragile. with teeth tour was still ok, latest tour was honestly shocking... i still have a soft spot for him though. that said, i listen to zeitgeist about as much as year zero, which is barely never....

We should also remember that C
i wish we wouldn't.

We should also remember that Courtney Love considers Corgan a "great fuck", whereas she refers to Reznor as "three-inch nails." Poor guy.

:rofl:

i forgot about that.

funny, i'd think it'd be the other way around. I can't imagine billy being a "great fuck". Looks can be deceiving i suppose.

seriously. he looks like he's be almost painfully awkward.

i'm sure this has nothing to do with the fact that they hadn't toured in seven years. NOTHING.
uhm, nin only had one more tour inbetween for with teeth. fragile was right around when the pumpkins broke up and now there was year zero. nobody showed up. and besides, not having any sign of life helps to sell more tickets than actually releasing albums according to you? yeah, sure...

uhm, nin only had one more tour inbetween for with teeth. fragile was right around when the pumpkins broke up and now there was year zero and besides, not having any sign of life helps to sell more tickets than actually releasing albums according to you? yeah, sure...
:erm:

this is not difficult logic.

SP has a fanatical fanbase and haven't toured in seven years=lots of tickets sold.

NIN plays europe and then plays europe 18 months later. obviously, they sell less tickets because they just fucking toured.

Billy fucking Courtney Love, let alone anyone fucking Courtney Love is sickening. If Billy & Trent start talking shit about eachother it'll be the equivelant of two virgin nerds in high school arguing about who has the better chance of getting laid. A feud between these two might've been something to talk about back in, say '96, but it's just silly now.

uhm, nin only had one more tour inbetween for with teeth. fragile was right around when the pumpkins broke up and now there was year zero. nobody showed up. and besides, not having any sign of life helps to sell more tickets than actually releasing albums according to you? yeah, sure...

We will see who well TSP shows sell if they are still on tour @ years from now, since what you are talking is really the end of touring for With Teeth.

Whatever Trent... everytime I would hear your songs on the radio my hand automatically would (would because I dont really hear them anymore) hit the scan button for relief. I can't stand to hear even a few minutes of you. But everyone likes different things, ya know?

which makes me wonder how much longer we can really expect "The Smashing Pumpkins" to be around...

:erm:

this is not difficult logic.

SP has a fanatical fanbase and haven't toured in seven years=lots of tickets sold.

NIN plays europe and then plays europe 18 months later. obviously, they sell less tickets because they just fucking toured.
point remains, they have one more tour in those seven years than the pumpkins. inbetween fragile and with teeth almost six years passed and the outcome was nowhere close around here. it drastically went downhill ever since then. and "less tickets" is one thing, an half empty hall is another.... i'm not even hating on them, i bought a ticket myself on every damn tour, just saying how it is...

a half empty hall? NIN sold that badly? i find that pretty hard to believe.

How many times they toured within that time period is irrelevant, the point is that NIN had just toured, whereas SP hadn't in forever.

a half empty hall? NIN sold that badly? i find that pretty hard to believe.
so did i

seriously. he looks like he's be almost painfully awkward.

absolutely. he seems almost asexual to me. On the other hand, I'm strangely attracted to him, so go figure.

How many times they toured within that time period is irrelevant, the point is that NIN had just toured, whereas SP hadn't in forever.
according to you with teeth tour should have been massive, the break was almost as long

This is one of the first things I can say I agree with Courtney Love about... I wouldn't sleep with T.R if he were the last dude on Earth

according to you with teeth tour should have been massive, the break was almost as long
and SP should be playing 10,000 seat arenas.

Hmmm. He's still mad that Eye was the only reason people bought the Lost Highway Soundtrack?
perfect drug is worlds better than eye, even biased billy lovers should admit this.

and to get on topic, i think NME took trent way out of context with the statements in the article.

"I was never a big Smashing Pumpkins fan back when they were the Pumpkins, not to shit on Billy (Corgan) or anything but I don't hear anything that would make me want to care."
"I think trying to resurrect the name Smashing Pumpkins .........its all a bit corporate for me."

i'm guessing the question would have been something like "you've mentioned in the past about liking billy corgan and his music. what do you think of the new SP?"

and his response was probably saying
a) (about old SP) that he wasn't a BIG fan, and
b) (about new SP) "not to shit on billy (because of their history and presumably friendship) but i don't hear anything of the new SP that would make me want to care"

lots of old fans would agree with the "b)" part , and i think lots of people here agree with his last statement (about resurrecting the name SP) regardless.

but yes, NIN are awesome, trent is very talented and year zero was pretty good, not mind blowing, but not crap at all. zero sum is fucking beautiful, reminiscent of right where it belongs from with teeth, or even hurt.

i adore adore -
the downward spiral is like their SD, the common fan favourite.
the fragile is like their mellon collie, more rock / guitary / heavier than most of their work, but has a lot of diversity over 2 CD's. the fragile was my "entry point" to NIN.
my favourite is with teeth, i think it's the perfect mix of all of their styles in one.

and whoever said their live show is like listening to a CD, try it out first. i saw them 3 times in 3 nights a few months ago on their AUS tour, and the setlists were mixed around, hell they even played some of the same songs differently on different nights. they are being more artistic than the new pumpkins, i think any non biased music lover would agree.

billy could and should've learnt a lot from trent. particularly how to mix a studio recording, and maybe how to ignore courtney love as well.

This is one of the first things I can say I agree with Courtney Love about... I wouldn't sleep with T.R if he were the last dude on Earth

ooh, i think TR's pretty hot. i wouldn't kick him out of bed, knowhatimean?

Uh not really he looks like he never takes a shower and can use some good listerine, ya know what I mean?

point remains, they have one more tour in those seven years than the pumpkins. inbetween fragile and with teeth almost six years passed and the outcome was nowhere close around here. it drastically went downhill ever since then. and "less tickets" is one thing, an half empty hall is another.... i'm not even hating on them, i bought a ticket myself on every damn tour, just saying how it is...


And again how well did TFE?, Lets face it 2 years from now SP2 will be doing shit sales also.

and SP should be playing 10,000 seat arenas.
you seriously doubt they wouldn't have sold at least close to that if 3000 tickets sell in a matter of seconds for every single show?? you're trying to corner me for no reason, i'm not hating on NIN at all. i'll be there yet again the next time they tour. not all too many others will be the way it looks right now. once again, only speaking for germany...

billy could and should've learnt a lot from trent. particularly how to mix a studio recording, and maybe how to ignore courtney love as well.

good points, both.

actually, good post overall.

And again how well did TFE?, Lets face it 2 years from now SP2 will be doing shit sales also.
you cant compare that. NIN draw a couple hundred people right now right here. how many do you think would show up for some non-existent side project of trent?

Uh not really he looks like he never takes a shower and can use some good listerine, ya know what I mean?

to each his (or her) own :)

http://www.audiohead.net/interviews/trentreznor/images/sieiieiieil.jpg

looks good to me.

This is one of the first things I can say I agree with Courtney Love about... I wouldn't sleep with T.R if he were the last dude on Earth


^^^ I know billy is sort of ummm... awkward, but I've always thought that he'd be a "great fuck", because.....well, it really doesn't matter why I think that......, but I still think he'd be a good fuck.

perfect drug is worlds better than eye, even biased billy lovers should admit this.



my favourite is with teeth, i think it's the perfect mix of all of their styles in one.



billy could and should've learnt a lot from trent. particularly how to mix a studio recording, and maybe how to ignore courtney love as well.

i will never, ever agree that Perfect Drug is better than Eye. that's like, your opinion, man.

with teeth sounds the most forced of all their albums. i mean, it's ok. but year zero was way more thought out and executed with a lot more finesse.

yes and YES.

you seriously doubt they wouldn't have sold at least close to that if 3000 tickets sell in a matter of seconds for every single show?? you're trying to corner me for no reason, i'm not hating on NIN at all. i'll be there yet again the next time they tour. not all too many others will be the way it looks right now. once again, only speaking for germany...
i'm not trying to corner you, you just don't seem to understand the concept of market saturation

oh, you were talking about germany? that doesn't surprise me as much then. NIN would sell the fuck out in the US, no problem.

ok, you've convinced me: if trent would put out a solo album it would go massive although his main act, which happens to be one of the biggest names of the last decade, sells shockingly poor right now.

^^^ I know billy is sort of ummm... awkward, but I've always thought that he'd be a "great fuck", because.....well, it really doesn't matter why I think that......, but I still think he'd be a good fuck.

i'd be willing to give it the old college try :) :sexors:

i don't really have any issues with the quote. there's only really 2 nin songs i really cared about, and i don't think i've ever been more depressed than i was during that time. ToEachesOwn, as i like to say

oh, you were talking about germany? that doesn't surprise me as much then. NIN would sell the fuck out in the US, no problem.
well, we're talking about the third biggest music market in the world....

Ok some of his music is good but the lyrics are horrid and he looks showered in that pic but he still doesn't do it for me, like you said to each his own

i'd be willing to give it the old college try :) :sexors:


Skip your married though!

i'd be willing to give it the old college try :) :sexors:



^ I wouldn't mind either ;)

at least we won't have to fight over mr. three inch nails.

i like how the girls are having this discussion about who's more fuckable, and the guys are having serious discussion about the music.

whores

Ok some of his music is good but the lyrics are horrid and he looks showered in that pic but he still doesn't do it for me, like you said to each his own


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i don't really have any issues with the quote. there's only really 2 nin songs i really cared about, and i don't think i've ever been more depressed than i was during that time. ToEachesOwn, as i like to say
Harves?

Skip your married though!
ah yes, but my husband and i have already had the discussion about how I was allowed to get busy with billy. in return, he gets a roll in the hay with the 1996/97 era angelina jolie. Fair enough.

whores

NOW JUST YOU WAIT A SECOND!! No one is getting paid here. I think the term you're looking for is "Sluts".

ah yes, but my husband and i have already had the discussion about how I was allowed to get busy with billy. in return, he gets a roll in the hay with the 1996/97 era angelina jolie. Fair enough.
:rofl:

She's hot

T BRING THE LIGHT
lyrics are as mediocre as the album, they are, but you still don't wanna go down that road, since trent's lyrics are so unbelievalby repetitive and retarded that it's not even funny anymore. i really don't see how anyone could argue about that

Bah. Lyrics. Unless you're Townes Van Zandt, I don't give a shit.

lyrics are as mediocre as the album, they are, but you still don't wanna go down that road, since trent's lyrics are so unbelievalby repetitive and retarded that it's not even funny anymore. i really don't see how anyone could argue about that


You are the one who brought up lyrics. At least trents concept album is about something and has a storyline. Has anyone figurted out what the fuck Billy was thinking with this whole patriotic song titles crap?

I love Bring the Light.... it's a beautiful song... upbeat and fast paced. The repeatition works in favor of the song

Reznor's lyrics are generally decent with bursts of total shit. Billys have been mostly shit since Machina, but the stuff beforehand is great.

point remains, they have one more tour in those seven years than the pumpkins.in the 2 years directly before the SP's first return show (2007-05-22) NIN played 220 shows. that's just from 2005-05-22 through to 2007-05-21.

i can't be fucked looking up all the dates for the 4 and a half years before that, but i'm willing to bet there's at least 500 shows they played compared to 0.
that is going to affect the demand for tickets.
it does not take more than half a brain to work this out.

Trent's lyrics are embarrassing if taken seriously. He is awesome, though. but I like to compare Zeitgeist to With Teeth, and no one has a clear edge there.

What I'm getting at is that they're both past their primes and trying to give themselves new life, and Trent started that process before Billy did. so he's a bit ahead as of right now. but he's in no place to talk shit after releasing the pile of mediocrity sprinkled with a few excellent tunes that was With Teeth. y'knowwhati'msayin

Ive never listened to a TR album, or purchased one... I remember a video that was kind of gothy romancy that was interesting and his music has layers to it which makes it interesting but the man seems like he has so much aggressive energy or anger management issues and so
the violence really turns me off

sluts

i can't be fucked looking up all the dates for the 4 and a half years before that, but i'm willing to bet there's at least 500 shows they played compared to 0.
actually it's Zero. They played no shows between 2000/07/09 and 2005/03/23.

ah yes, but my husband and i have already had the discussion about how I was allowed to get busy with billy. in return, he gets a roll in the hay with the 1996/97 era angelina jolie. Fair enough.
your husband has boring taste.

I think Angelina Jolie is a beautiful woman, she's still rebellious but she's got balls ya know?

^ you're boring.

actually it's Zero. They played no shows between 2000/07/09 and 2005/03/23.
haha what do you know. thanks. well then the total is nearly 250 then.

your husband has boring taste.

it is indeed fairly typical for a guy to have been attracted to her at that time. Not much more I can say to that.

You are the one who brought up lyrics. At least trents concept album is about something and has a storyline. Has anyone figurted out what the fuck Billy was thinking with this whole patriotic song titles crap?

It's tied in with Baudrillardian observations of sign systems in a world where capital exchange has replaced symbolic exchange, and signs are their own referrents. This type of world is nurtured in our civilization of "videoscopy" (to take Paul Virilio's word for it), saturated in information and media, life and "reality" being in the hyperreal instead of the concrete and physical. Things do not have a historical context here (there is no "here," only "now"), and "identity" or "personhood" is fractured, as we are cybernetically linked with the technocracy around us (the torch of the Statue of Liberty replaced by Paris Hilton's cell phone). Actually, the thematics aren't too different from Scorsese's "The Departed" or Greengrass' "United 93" (Michael Mann's films and "Children of Men" also). In this sense, any sense of "concept" (I would replace that word with "resonance") is actually more effective than the "futuristic" warnings of "Year Zero", precisely because it is not so overt. True cyber-punk has to fool us into believing that we are safe in the present, when in fact we are living in the cyborg-drenched horrorscape that was thought to be strictly relegated to science fiction. There is no need to dread for the future, because we're there already.

In terms of patriotic song titles, Corgan is a pretty good ironist - not in our current smarmy sense, but in the tradition of Thomas Mann, which has been dead since WWII. I applaud his approach of not thunking people on the head with pedagogy. There's an ambiguity to "Zeitgeist", with a critique that transcends sociopolitical whining (of which I believe Reznor has often been a victim).

Before you go after me, I'll relinquish any credibility by quoting Corgan: "we all know I'm full of shit." And I eat poop. But looking at Jeff Schroeder's stack of books, I'm pretty sure that these theoretical approaches (Baudrillard, Virilio, cyborg theory) are floating with the Pumpkins on this tour thingy.

I'll further tarnish my credibility by stating that "Zeitgeist" rocks with strychnine andro-metal and it seems vacant of the posturing I see everywhere else in music, particularly in critical darlings.

what are you into pale princess?

Yeah I dont think Z. is posturing either. It's a good album

There is an ambiguity too...but it works artistically and leaves room for interpretation from all

http://i.ivillage.com/DF/120505/celebs/DF_DeRossi_366.jpg

hubba hubba.

who is that?

but she's got balls ya know?
yes, too much so. she looks like a man.

She doesnt look like a man at all!
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t290/mari72anne/200px-Jolie.jpg

I'm glad Trent can tell us, from the pages of NME.com, what's "corporate"

yes, too much so. she looks like a man.

she has very strong features, which i suppose could be seen as manly. Women are expected to be soft. But whatever, it's not me who thinks she's hot. My idea of a hot woman is Kim Deal, so what do i know?

It's tied in with Baudrillardian observations of sign systems in a world where capital exchange has replaced symbolic exchange, and signs are their own referrents. This type of world is nurtured in our civilization of "videoscopy" (to take Paul Virilio's word for it), saturated in information and media, life and "reality" being in the hyperreal instead of the concrete and physical. Things do not have a historical context here (there is no "here," only "now"), and "identity" or "personhood" is fractured, as we are cybernetically linked with the technocracy around us (the torch of the Statue of Liberty replaced by Paris Hilton's cell phone). Actually, the thematics aren't too different from Scorsese's "The Departed" or Greengrass' "United 93" (Michael Mann's films and "Children of Men" also). In this sense, any sense of "concept" (I would replace that word with "resonance") is actually more effective than the "futuristic" warnings of "Year Zero", precisely because it is not so overt. True cyber-punk has to fool us into believing that we are safe in the present, when in fact we are living in the cyborg-drenched horrorscape that was thought to be strictly relegated to science fiction. There is no need to dread for the future, because we're there already.

In terms of patriotic song titles, Corgan is a pretty good ironist - not in our current smarmy sense, but in the tradition of Thomas Mann, which has been dead since WWII. I applaud his approach of not thunking people on the head with pedagogy. There's an ambiguity to "Zeitgeist", with a critique that transcends sociopolitical whining (of which I believe Reznor has often been a victim).

Before you go after me, I'll relinquish any credibility by quoting Corgan: "we all know I'm full of shit." And I eat poop. But looking at Jeff Schroeder's stack of books, I'm pretty sure that these theoretical approaches (Baudrillard, Virilio, cyborg theory) are floating with the Pumpkins on this tour thingy.

I'll further tarnish my credibility by stating that "Zeitgeist" rocks with strychnine andro-metal and it seems vacant of the posturing I see everywhere else in music, particularly in critical darlings.


In other words it bunch of Bullshit.

hubba hubba.i like your taste. we patiently wait for your victory postings in F9, i hope it's still on the cards. for your sake as well of course ;)

I'm glad Trent can tell us, from the pages of NME.com, what's "corporate"

gotta love irony.

I think A.J is a stunning woman.

It's tied in with Baudrillardian observations of sign systems in a world where capital exchange has replaced symbolic exchange, and signs are their own referrents. This type of world is nurtured in our civilization of "videoscopy" (to take Paul Virilio's word for it), saturated in information and media, life and "reality" being in the hyperreal instead of the concrete and physical. Things do not have a historical context here (there is no "here," only "now"), and "identity" or "personhood" is fractured, as we are cybernetically linked with the technocracy around us (the torch of the Statue of Liberty replaced by Paris Hilton's cell phone). Actually, the thematics aren't too different from Scorsese's "The Departed" or Greengrass' "United 93" (Michael Mann's films and "Children of Men" also). In this sense, any sense of "concept" (I would replace that word with "resonance") is actually more effective than the "futuristic" warnings of "Year Zero", precisely because it is not so overt. True cyber-punk has to fool us into believing that we are safe in the present, when in fact we are living in the cyborg-drenched horrorscape that was thought to be strictly relegated to science fiction. There is no need to dread for the future, because we're there already.

In terms of patriotic song titles, Corgan is a pretty good ironist - not in our current smarmy sense, but in the tradition of Thomas Mann, which has been dead since WWII. I applaud his approach of not thunking people on the head with pedagogy. There's an ambiguity to "Zeitgeist", with a critique that transcends sociopolitical whining (of which I believe Reznor has often been a victim).

Before you go after me, I'll relinquish any credibility by quoting Corgan: "we all know I'm full of shit." And I eat poop. But looking at Jeff Schroeder's stack of books, I'm pretty sure that these theoretical approaches (Baudrillard, Virilio, cyborg theory) are floating with the Pumpkins on this tour thingy.

I'll further tarnish my credibility by stating that "Zeitgeist" rocks with strychnine andro-metal and it seems vacant of the posturing I see everywhere else in music, particularly in critical darlings.
[standing ovation]

In other words it bunch of Bullshit.

EXACTLY!!! Total Horse-Pucky!

(actually, no - this is what "Zeitgeist" is about...but the spirit of the times, particularly in the ether of message boards, is dismissiveness, so I can't help but go along).

i like your taste. we patiently wait for your victory postings in F9, i hope it's still on the cards. for your sake as well of course ;)
thanks for the kind words of encouragement. i'm meeting her after work.

she has very strong features, which i suppose could be seen as manly. Women are expected to be soft. But whatever, it's not me who thinks she's hot. My idea of a hot woman is Kim Deal, so what do i know?
on the recent pixies tour a few months ago i remembered looking at her and thinking "wow, i can't believe kim looks like a grandma!"

Kim Deal would get it on principle.

I had a crush on Kim Deal until I found out she used Show Polish to color her hair.

It's tied in with Baudrillardian observations of sign systems in a world where capital exchange has replaced symbolic exchange, and signs are their own referrents. This type of world is nurtured in our civilization of "videoscopy" (to take Paul Virilio's word for it), saturated in information and media, life and "reality" being in the hyperreal instead of the concrete and physical. Things do not have a historical context here (there is no "here," only "now"), and "identity" or "personhood" is fractured, as we are cybernetically linked with the technocracy around us (the torch of the Statue of Liberty replaced by Paris Hilton's cell phone). Actually, the thematics aren't too different from Scorsese's "The Departed" or Greengrass' "United 93" (Michael Mann's films and "Children of Men" also). In this sense, any sense of "concept" (I would replace that word with "resonance") is actually more effective than the "futuristic" warnings of "Year Zero", precisely because it is not so overt. True cyber-punk has to fool us into believing that we are safe in the present, when in fact we are living in the cyborg-drenched horrorscape that was thought to be strictly relegated to science fiction. There is no need to dread for the future, because we're there already.

In terms of patriotic song titles, Corgan is a pretty good ironist - not in our current smarmy sense, but in the tradition of Thomas Mann, which has been dead since WWII. I applaud his approach of not thunking people on the head with pedagogy. There's an ambiguity to "Zeitgeist", with a critique that transcends sociopolitical whining (of which I believe Reznor has often been a victim).

Before you go after me, I'll relinquish any credibility by quoting Corgan: "we all know I'm full of shit." And I eat poop. But looking at Jeff Schroeder's stack of books, I'm pretty sure that these theoretical approaches (Baudrillard, Virilio, cyborg theory) are floating with the Pumpkins on this tour thingy.

I'll further tarnish my credibility by stating that "Zeitgeist" rocks with strychnine andro-metal and it seems vacant of the posturing I see everywhere else in music, particularly in critical darlings.

holy shit

Kind of funny that description of Zeitgeist is about the artwork and has nothing at all to do with the songs.

with teeth reminds me a lot of zeitgeist, a lean desperate all-or-nothing attempt to sell records by pandering to rock tastes, damage control for years of failed attempts to sell records by not pandering (both artists started to suck in 99!) both albums resulted in a few good songs and a bunch of filler, and completed the transition between increasing irrelevancy and cult respect. year zero actually built on that and was pretty good, maybe billy will pull something like that off too.

with teeth reminds me a lot of zeitgeist, a lean desperate all-or-nothing attempt to sell records by pandering to rock tastes, damage control for years of failed attempts to sell records by not pandering (both artists started to suck in 99!) both albums resulted in a few good songs and a bunch of filler, and completed the transition between increasing irrelevancy and cult respect. year zero actually built on that and was pretty good, maybe billy will pull something like that off too.
wut
the fragile was pretty good

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omg allisonmonster posted

omg allisonmonster posted

omg!

also, the title of this thread is awesome

Trent kills Corgan in stage presence ratings. Trent really knows how to girate the mic. And that man reallt sweats. HOT.

I actually don't give a shit TR said this. SP and NIN are two of my top 3 bands and I don't care if Trent doesn't like Billy's shit. I just wished he'd start doing drugs again so maybe Year Zero would have been a lot cooler than it was.

sobriety is so corporate.

Trent really knows how to girate the mic.


r u an axl rose fan

what's the other band in your top 3?

edit: dammit, i waited too long.

I was really hoping there would be more debate over who has better lyrics: Post 2000 Billy or TR.

BC: Yeah well I managed to cram the word love 86 times into my new album.

TR: Yeah?!?! Well I managed to find 14 words that rhyme with decay!

on the recent pixies tour a few months ago i remembered looking at her and thinking "wow, i can't believe kim looks like a grandma!"
a pretty hot grandma though.

you know, as grandmas go.

I was really hoping there would be more debate over who has better lyrics: Post 2000 Billy or TR.

BC: Yeah well I managed to cram the word love 86 times into my new album.

TR: Yeah?!?! Well I managed to find 14 words that rhyme with decay!

ha!

at least trent doesn't have a stupid book of poetry.

Can we at least agree on one thing here:

Cobain sucks.

Trent refused to let the record lable put out more than on version of his album. Billy let the lable shit all over the fans. Pretty simple to figure that one out.
Are you or were you ever honestly mad about the more than one version of the album thing? If you are, I feel bad for you and your ability to deal with life.

what's the other band in your top 3?

311

311 :erm:

Can we at least agree on one thing here:

Cobain sucks.

duovamp ftw.

I didn't even want to say it because everyone on here is a stupid about it. But whatever fuck the naysayers, I enjoy their music.

Are you or were you ever honestly mad about the more than one version of the album thing? If you are, I feel bad for you and your ability to deal with life.


Yes I was.

nah i'm just foolin' around. I mean, i pretty much hate 311, but I'm just kidding with the erm guy...
i'm sure plenty of people don't like the music i love. s'okay.

Yes I was.

soooo.
what's goin' on in that avatar of yours, anyway?

That avatar is as ancient as the hills. It is as much Rider as Rider is the avatar. It was handed down to Rider from Thor himself.

yeah a lot of people hate them for some reason, but I guess if the only 311 songs I knew were amber and love song, which happens to be a lot of people, I'd probably hate them too.

But whatever fuck the naysayers,

you were just <i>dying</i> to work that into your post, weren't you?

i think amber is cool

That avatar is as ancient as the hills. It is as much Rider as Rider is the avatar. It was handed down to Rider from Thor himself.
fie. Loki, maybe.

woah-ohh-ohhhh

yeah a lot of people hate them for some reason, but I guess if the only 311 songs I knew were amber and love song, which happens to be a lot of people, I'd probably hate them too.

i had a roommate who loved them like i love the pumpkins. I've heard enough to last a lifetime. Not my bag. But I'm an avid supporter of people doing their own thing, so more power to ya.

That avatar is as ancient as the hills. It is as much Rider as Rider is the avatar. It was handed down to Rider from Thor himself.

Actually it came from Dead, But yeah I can never change this avatar. I love using it on other sites because people fucking freaks out.


I love turning it on them and explaining, it's a woman playing a bass guitar. You're the sick and perverted one who saw something else.

Kind of funny that description of Zeitgeist is about the artwork and has nothing at all to do with the songs.

Precisely. The theme IS artifice. The organic constitution of the product is called into question. (Though, remember, I did describe the music as being strychnine andro-metal - which I like).

The main anxiety of information-age themed work (such as the motion pictures I described) has to do with the question of a genuine identity and its existence. Are we wholly socially constructed, cybernetically molded by the structures surrounding us, in addition to our neurobiology colliding with that surrounding world? Or is there something there - a soul? The conflict is between the hyperreal and the "real". And hell, that word, "real," shows up a lot in the songs, as I recall, (And also calls that "Tarantula" video to mind), as do the words "here" and "now". Space and time in this flat world of globalization are compressed - everything is accessed instantaneously, without cognition, without analogue development. There is no "here" as I write on a keyboard - only the digits indicating time. Also, as we are digitized, hyperreal instead of "real" sentient beings, there is no morality (I'm thinking about how Scorsese described "The Departed" as being about "the end of morality," wherein identities are altered depending on the capital demands surrounding characters; anything goes in this world - which associates with the lyric, "There's no regret / 'cause there's no place.") Where is our sense of "place" located? On a screen ("I've seen the film / I know the place" - recalling Muhammad Ali, "Yeah I know where Vietnam is. It's on TV.")

So, I'm sorry - but in this theoretical context, even the lyrics of "Bring the Light" are rich, simply because they yearn to mean something, but can't.

Actually it came from Dead, But yeah I can never change this avatar. I love using it on other sites because people fucking freaks out.


I love turning it on them and explaining, it's a woman playing a bass guitar. You're the sick and perverted one who saw something else.

i'm definitely the perv.
it's a good avatar, thumbs up.

Precisely. The theme IS artifice. The organic constitution of the product is called into question. (Though, remember, I did describe the music as being strychnine andro-metal - which I like).

The main anxiety of information-age themed work (such as the motion pictures I described) has to do with the question of a genuine identity and its existence. Are we wholly socially constructed, cybernetically molded by the structures surrounding us, in addition to our neurobiology colliding with that surrounding world? Or is there something there - a soul? The conflict is between the hyperreal and the "real". And hell, that word, "real," shows up a lot in the songs, as I recall, (And also calls that "Tarantula" video to mind), as do the words "here" and "now". Space and time in this flat world of globalization are compressed - everything is accessed instantaneously, without cognition, without analogue development. There is no "here" as I write on a keyboard - only the digits indicating time. Also, as we are digitized, hyperreal instead of "real" sentient beings, there is no morality (I'm thinking about how Scorsese described "The Departed" as being about "the end of morality," wherein identities are altered depending on the capital demands surrounding characters; anything goes in this world - which associates with the lyric, "There's no regret / 'cause there's no place.") Where is our sense of "place" located? On a screen ("I've seen the film / I know the place" - recalling Muhammad Ali, "Yeah I know where Vietnam is. It's on TV.")

So, I'm sorry - but in this theoretical context, even the lyrics of "Bring the Light" are rich, simply because they yearn to mean something, but can't.

I could throw this bullshit on any album and make it fit. Man people will swallow anything billy squirts in their mouths these days.

Can we at least agree on one thing here:

Cobain sucks.
fuck no

i'm definitely the perv.
it's a good avatar, thumbs up.


Like I said Dead deserves the credit I just grabbed it and made it an avatar.

Precisely. The theme IS artifice. The organic constitution of the product is called into question. (Though, remember, I did describe the music as being strychnine andro-metal - which I like).

The main anxiety of information-age themed work (such as the motion pictures I described) has to do with the question of a genuine identity and its existence. Are we wholly socially constructed, cybernetically molded by the structures surrounding us, in addition to our neurobiology colliding with that surrounding world? Or is there something there - a soul? The conflict is between the hyperreal and the "real". And hell, that word, "real," shows up a lot in the songs, as I recall, (And also calls that "Tarantula" video to mind), as do the words "here" and "now". Space and time in this flat world of globalization are compressed - everything is accessed instantaneously, without cognition, without analogue development. There is no "here" as I write on a keyboard - only the digits indicating time. Also, as we are digitized, hyperreal instead of "real" sentient beings, there is no morality (I'm thinking about how Scorsese described "The Departed" as being about "the end of morality," wherein identities are altered depending on the capital demands surrounding characters; anything goes in this world - which associates with the lyric, "There's no regret / 'cause there's no place.") Where is our sense of "place" located? On a screen ("I've seen the film / I know the place" - recalling Muhammad Ali, "Yeah I know where Vietnam is. It's on TV.")

So, I'm sorry - but in this theoretical context, even the lyrics of "Bring the Light" are rich, simply because they yearn to mean something, but can't.

you should join that Christians and Pumpkins thread, if you haven't already. I think you'd fit right in.

8 pages!

and what the fuck is osarmy talking about

good question redbull, good question.

yeah a lot of people hate them for some reason, but I guess if the only 311 songs I knew were amber and love song, which happens to be a lot of people, I'd probably hate them too.
the only song i know is down. haven't heard anything since then.

8 pages!

and what the fuck is osarmy talking about


Basically saying that because the album has a vague concept anything willl fit in the concept. It's the perfect concept, lack of a concept.

Like I said Dead deserves the credit I just grabbed it and made it an avatar.
your avatar and whatcolor's avatar should get together. play some bass and stuff.

Yes I was.

In terms of the release of "Zeitgeist", and how this irked people as a greedy capitalist move...this is just the way things are now.

Would you call David Lynch a greedy sell-out? Come on, "INLAND EMPIRE" is the most awe-inducing and independently (in addition to being the most beautiful)crafted piece of work I've seen in years, but Lynch made different deals with both Amazon and Borders, for example, for the film's DVD release.

all he's saying is that zeitgeist was meant to be a commentary on the world we live in. that's. it.

the only song i know is down. haven't heard anything since then.


Trust me you know more. They are one of thsoe bands that you only think you only know one song. Kind of like AC/DC, you think you know 5-10 AC/DC somngs but then you look at a list of songs and you really know 40.

yeah a lot of people hate them for some reason, but I guess if the only 311 songs I knew were amber and love song, which happens to be a lot of people, I'd probably hate them too.
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In terms of the release of "Zeitgeist", and how this irked people as a greedy capitalist move...this is just the way things are now.

Would you call David Lynch a greedy sell-out? Come on, "INLAND EMPIRE" is the most awe-inducing and independently (in addition to being the most beautiful)crafted piece of work I've seen in years, but Lynch made different deals with both Amazon and Borders, for example, for the film's DVD release.

This has been gone over in 800 threads by now, move on.

all he's saying is that zeitgeist was meant to be a commentary on the world we live in. that's. it.


Every album is a commentary on the world we live in.

all he's saying is that zeitgeist was meant to be a commentary on the world we live in. that's. it.
just in that sort of wordy, pseudo-intellectual manner that we all love.
zeitgeist is a commentary on... the zeitgeist.

i don't know. I don't buy it. Maybe in a few songs, but not the whole album. Maybe I'm missing 'the big picture'. or maybe there is no 'big picture'.

This has been gone over in 800 threads by now, move on.
we've tried to move on but Trent Reznor keeps pulling us back in.

Every album is a commentary on the world we live in.
i'm glad someone is here to talk some sense, and some very efficient quick sense at that.

so, as rider was saying....

just in that sort of wordy, pseudo-intellectual manner that we all love.
zeitgeist is a commentary on... the zeitgeist.

i don't know. I don't buy it. Maybe in a few songs, but not the whole album. Maybe I'm missing 'the big picture'. or maybe there is no 'big picture'.
i guess you're so intellectual that anything over your head must be pseudo. nyah nyah, i don't buy it.

just in that sort of wordy, pseudo-intellectual manner that we all love.
zeitgeist is a commentary on... the zeitgeist.

i don't know. I don't buy it. Maybe in a few songs, but not the whole album. Maybe I'm missing 'the big picture'. or maybe there is no 'big picture'.


Exactly. Most of the songs have nothing to do with this concept. He made some artwork, changed the song titles, said the word revolution a bunch of times. I actually find it almost offensive considering the state the coutry is in, if your going to make a statement make a dman statement. Don't abuse iconic imagery.

i enjoy some of the more intellectual-type posters on here. Stumpycat seems like a bright girl, for instance. Sometimes this stuff just seems a bit forced, though.

Don't abuse iconic imagery.
fascism 101.

Exactly. Most of the songs have nothing to do with this concept. He made some artwork, changed the song titles, said the word revolution a bunch of times. I actually find it almost offensive considering the state the coutry is in, if your going to make a statement make a dman statement. Don't abuse iconic imagery.

i agree; billy isn't the kind of person to shy away from what's on his mind, so why make an ambiguious statement? And if it's ambiguious, is it even really a statement anyway? How about just calling it a rock album and be done with it. Either that, or actually say something about the state of the world.

Basically saying that because the album has a vague concept anything willl fit in the concept. It's the perfect concept, lack of a concept.

Wellll....no, there's too many keys fitting in too many holes there. Videoscreens, dollar-fonts, and the repetitions of the word "alive" point on a particular interpretive path.

As far as the Christian thing...no. To define my use of the word "soul" I'll steal from Monty Python's "Meaning of Life" and The Very Big Corporation of America: "Matter is energy. In the universe there are many energy fields which we cannot normally perceive. Some energies have a spiritual source which act upon a person's soul. However, this soul does not exist ab initio as orthodox Christianity teaches. It has to be brought into existence by a process of guided self-observation. However, this is rarely achieved owing to man's unique ability to be distracted from spiritual matters by everyday trivia."

That process of "guided self-observation" is what is disintegrating with the anxiety of wondering if "I" am the author of "I".

This has me frankly a little self-conscious as I'm getting sucked into this internet (hyperreal) conversation, as I'm watching the South Park episode about "World of Warcraft".

i agree; billy isn't the kind of person to shy away from what's on his mind, so why make an ambiguious statement? And if it's ambiguious, is it even really a statement anyway?
WHAT THE FUCK, DEAR GOD YES IT IS.

maybe