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Mr. Rhinoceros
02-12-2002, 06:39 AM
<font color=#007AAA>I always think it's hilariously ironic that few care about people who like to get drunk as a night out, but somehow these same people think smoking weed with a couple buddies is somehow worse than getting drunk every weekend. It's the same fucking vice, just one is illegal and one isn't. One is glorified and one is shamed. At least I can still think straight while stoned.

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scouse_dave
02-12-2002, 06:40 AM
thought u were going to bed

pale_princess
02-12-2002, 06:41 AM
i opted for weed this evenign. yes. melikes.

bonsor
02-12-2002, 06:43 AM
I totally agree with you.

Weed is the better drug. It's calming. It may warp one's perception of the world around them. Alcohol does the same, but people on weed are way more sensible about it, because it inflicts a slight sense of paranoia, therefore keeping them from doing stupid shit like getting into fights and driving.

wangcomputers
02-12-2002, 06:44 AM
one of my flatmates has that perception.

he somehow thinks his drunken violent behaviour is somehow more acceptable than my stoned submissive stupor

Mr. Rhinoceros
02-12-2002, 06:54 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ******:
driving.</font>

<font color=#007AAA>Driving stoned is actually no biggie.


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scouse_dave
02-12-2002, 06:57 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
<font color=#007AAA>Driving stoned is actually no biggie.
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</font>try telling that to the cops

Mr. Rhinoceros
02-12-2002, 07:00 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
</font>try telling that to the cops</font>

<font color=#007AAA>Well it is illegal. I'm just saying it's not all that impared. You just have to concentrate on driving and that's it. You can't let the mind wander. It's not like you're seeing six of everything with no depth perception and the inability to stand up straight, let alone use the motor skills necessary to operate a two ton piece of machinery. Your* biggest worry driving stoned is to not space out to "My Iron Lung" while driving (which I have done before).

I've also stopped AT a stoplight. Like right underneath it. I think I've shared that one already though.

<font size=1>*Additionally, your biggest worry typing stoned is to not make stupid grammatical mistakes that you make fun of consistently. Isn't that rediculous (sic)?</font>

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beever
02-12-2002, 11:58 AM
I love them both.

wangcomputers
02-12-2002, 12:10 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by beever:
I love them both. </font>

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Ammy
02-12-2002, 12:12 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by wangcomputers:
http://www.piksandcrap.homestead.com/files/both.jpg </font>


THAT was a funny http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif


and i conceed both are fun.

ravenguy2000
02-12-2002, 12:14 PM
NP: Bill Hicks - Beer vs. Pot

Andrew_Pakula
02-12-2002, 12:36 PM
I'd probably go with Alcohol. To be honest I haven't had weed in almost 2 years, one day I looked around and saw the majority of my friends becoming major pot heads. They were all dropping out of school and going no where with their lives so I kind of decided I didn't want to be like that and just stuck with alcohol ever since.

Both have their strengths and weaknesses, I don't think it's really too fair to compare them like that.

sickbadthing
02-12-2002, 12:45 PM
jeez. everyone knows that huffing gasoline is where it's at.

numberthirteen
02-12-2002, 12:46 PM
Ecstasy! The divine synthesis! Christ in (al)chemical form!
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Graveflower
02-12-2002, 01:52 PM
Weed ownls alcohol. i've never thrown up from being high.

numberthirteen
02-12-2002, 01:59 PM
What I don't like about weed is the way it reverses the social current. Couple hits and you're looking for the nearest chair, couch, laughing at your own jokes while everyone else at the party tries to get with your girl but you're not sure if that's happening because everything seems so surprisingly chill so out of focus and even if it was happening you couldn't care less because you can't even get up to go to the restroom wait do I really have to go to the restroom I don't think so um yeah I have to go

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Ammy
02-12-2002, 02:00 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Graveflower:
Weed ownls alcohol. i've never thrown up from being high.</font>


never ODd on brown?

it's fun in that not really kind of way..

So very sad about me
02-12-2002, 02:07 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by numberthirteen:
What I don't like about weed is the way it reverses the social current. Couple hits and you're looking for the nearest chair, couch, laughing at your own jokes while everyone else at the party tries to get with your girl but you're not sure if that's happening because everything seems so surprisingly chill so out of focus and even if it was happening you couldn't care less because you can't even get up to go to the restroom wait do I really have to go to the restroom I don't think so um yeah I have to go

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Iz troo....
cept for the woman part, but yeah.



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Flebath
02-12-2002, 02:41 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Graveflower:
Weed ownls alcohol. i've never thrown up from being high.</font>

Or felt like shit the next day for the whole day.

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PhantomFM
02-12-2002, 03:14 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew_Pakula:
I'd probably go with Alcohol... I looked around and saw the majority of my friends becoming major pot heads. They were all dropping out of school and going no where with their lives so I kind of decided I didn't want to be like that and just stuck with alcohol ever since.</font>

Same thing with some of my friends. So I stopped for a couple weeks, and only did about 3 times that whole month and it cleared me up good. But a couple beers over a couple hours was often neccessary. Alcohol doesn't make me stupid, and since I never get riproaring drunk, I never throw up or have hangovers. But I like pot more, and a week ago I got some and smoked a few times over 4 days, and then woke up on the 5th day and was stupid again. this is two days after that and I'm fine again.

So in conclusion, if its something you're only doing a couple times a week, it doesn't matter which one though I'd go with weed. But if you're doing it everyday and you don't get violent, drive, or rape when you're drunk, then alcohol is probably better.

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I Ate My Hamster
02-12-2002, 04:42 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros:
<font color=#007AAA>I always think it's hilariously ironic that few care about people who like to get drunk as a night out, but somehow these same people think smoking weed with a couple buddies is somehow worse than getting drunk every weekend. It's the same fucking vice, just one is illegal and one isn't. One is glorified and one is shamed. At least I can still think straight while stoned.

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I still remember the posts by you when you first started smoking saying that you couldn't get high.

..memories..

meow
02-12-2002, 05:11 PM
people on weed generally do less harm than people who are hammered.

paranoid
02-12-2002, 05:16 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew_Pakula:
I'd probably go with Alcohol. To be honest I haven't had weed in almost 2 years, one day I looked around and saw the majority of my friends becoming major pot heads. They were all dropping out of school and going no where with their lives so I kind of decided I didn't want to be like that and just stuck with alcohol ever since.

Both have their strengths and weaknesses, I don't think it's really too fair to compare them like that.</font>


same effects can come from alcohol as well.


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Delta
02-12-2002, 05:34 PM
i prefer alcohol, but thats just me. i actually really enjoy a glass of good scotch, and the drunkeness thing is never an issue because my tolerance is so high. even when i do manage to get myself drunk (like really blasted) i dont get agressive or stupid or anything, at the absolute worse ill start raising my voice, not screaming obscenities or anything, just talking really loudly

weed doesnt do much for me either, i dunno, i thought it was sort of boring the times id tried it

Best Looking Boy
02-12-2002, 05:36 PM
Alcohol takes too long to kick in. If I want to forget where I am I have drink for like an hour.

Mooney
02-12-2002, 05:39 PM
perfect solution: smoke weed while drinking beer.

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PhantomFM
02-12-2002, 06:33 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mooney:
perfect solution: smoke weed while drinking beer.
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a little bit of both goes a long way

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wangcomputers
02-12-2002, 06:36 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by PhantomFM:
a little bit of both goes a long way

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i've found that it increases your chances of becoming paranoid.

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The Sacred and Profane
02-12-2002, 06:40 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by sickbadthing:
jeez. everyone knows that huffing gasoline is where it's at.</font>

Jaggie
02-12-2002, 06:52 PM
I'm an odd conservative as I have very liberal thoughts on some issues. One being marijuana. Lets examine:

Alcohol
Pros
-Already a large aspect of our social structure
-Huge market for both domestic and international companies
-Feels good

Cons
-Addictive
-Mood altering, personality changing, stupidity inducing (at high levels of consumption)
-Alters ability to operate machinery
-Can ruin families

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Marijuana
Pros
-Giddy euphoria (almost always lacking any kind of violence typically associated with "angry drunks")
-No addiction (not counting habituation which can occur with drinking Mountain Dew)
-Aids appetite as well as pain relief
-Extremely cheap to grow/dry/refine (not talking about the $40 you pay for an overstuffed dime, I'm saying if, say, Marlboro were to produce it)
-Does not affect reaction times (driving/operating machinery possible)
-Would lower cost of alcohol (even if slightly as they would be somewhat competing markets, notice I say somewhat)

Con
-Against the law
-Causes otherwise harmless "criminals" to clog our already overfilled judicial/jail system
-Can induce sleepiness in some
-Can cause weight gain (munchies)

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As far as I see it, it's not even an issue. I truly believe that the only reason that it is still illegal is that the major alcohol companies are in bed with the gov't (see last pro for pot) and don't want to see their profits decrease.

Picture this, the gov't legalizes it. They regulate the shit out of it, tax it, assure quality production and I wouldn't even argue with a ban on driving while high (similar to the way we treat drinking and driving, maybe the equivalent to 1 joint worth of THC in the blood is the legal limit, or whatever). The gov't is now making a killing on the taxes alone, not to mention the petty street corner pot dealers that are cleared out of our jails, freeing up room for rapists and child abusers.

It would also significantly reduce the drug trade from Mexico and South America, a huge market for the all too willing youth of America.

Go ahead and make a valid argument to the contrary. And don't regurgitate some DARE slogan. A sneeze kills more brain cells than a joint. A "pothead" seems to start dropping out of school and losing motivation not because of the drug, but because of his lifestyle. Even if marijuana affects motivation (which, if true, is much less than made out to be), so does caffeine and nicotine (two of the most abused drugs that are legal in America).

And the moderate in me comes out. This, and abortion (I'm avidly pro-choice). Other than that, kill bin laden!

Edit: As I re-read, I'm not some crazy right winger, just more conservative than liberal, but mostly moderate. Also, I am not for making drinking illegal, just using it to make a point.

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melancholia
02-12-2002, 07:03 PM
I think that marajuana is a lot better than alchohol... i mean, drunk people can be mean, loud and violent... stoned people are friendly, calm, and happy...

marajuana can't kill you...alchohol can.

Jaggie
02-12-2002, 07:06 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by melancholia:
I think that marajuana is a lot better than alchohol... i mean, drunk people can be mean, loud and violent... stoned people are friendly, calm, and happy...

marajuana can't kill you...alchohol can.

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Yea that reminds me. Alcohol can kill you in relatively small quantities (varies largely on body size, stomach contents, etc.), whereas it would take (think about this) 50 pounds of marijuana, smoked in 1 hour to kill you. Yes people, it is simpler to OD on Vitamin C.

melancholia
02-12-2002, 07:18 PM
exactly... so why is weed the illegal one?

PhantomFM
02-12-2002, 07:22 PM
I agree with you Jaggie but you said pot doesnt inhibit your reaction times which is completely not true. true, you will be able to drive better than if you were drunk but not because its not affecting your reaction times.

Also you neglected completely that weed makes you stupid. Maybe you don't really have first hand knowledge of that, or you're young I don't know but trust me- you smoke everyday it will make you stupid. you smoke every other day it will make you some amount of less intellegent and quick than if you didnt, though I don't know how much.

And weight gain isn't connected with pot smoking. True, smoking pot can make you wanna plow into a bag of chips but it also increases metabolism and not everyone gets hungry when they smoke, and not everytime. And often even if you do get hungry you still won't eat. i cant explain that but i do it and i've noticed it.

also not even most ppl experience "giddy euphoria" when they smoke. some ppl just feel reeeally tired and tingly, some ppl it makes them feel like they're dying, and I would say for anyone that smokes a LOT they've completely lost the giddyness and the euphoria has instead turned into a mind numbing blankness.

I'm not dissing pot- as I've said before and you may well know, i LOVE getting high. but if I were you I wouldn't jump out there and start talking about legalization if you don't really know much about what you want legalized.

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Jaggie
02-12-2002, 07:35 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by PhantomFM:
I agree with you Jaggie but you said pot doesnt inhibit your reaction times which is completely not true. true, you will be able to drive better than if you were drunk but not because its not affecting your reaction times.

Also you neglected completely that weed makes you stupid. Maybe you don't really have first hand knowledge of that, or you're young I don't know but trust me- you smoke everyday it will make you stupid. you smoke every other day it will make you some amount of less intellegent and quick than if you didnt, though I don't know how much.

And weight gain isn't connected with pot smoking. True, smoking pot can make you wanna plow into a bag of chips but it also increases metabolism and not everyone gets hungry when they smoke, and not everytime. And often even if you do get hungry you still won't eat. i cant explain that but i do it and i've noticed it.

also not even most ppl experience "giddy euphoria" when they smoke. some ppl just feel reeeally tired and tingly, some ppl it makes them feel like they're dying, and I would say for anyone that smokes a LOT they've completely lost the giddyness and the euphoria has instead turned into a mind numbing blankness.

I'm not dissing pot- as I've said before and you may well know, i LOVE getting high. but if I were you I wouldn't jump out there and start talking about legalization if you don't really know much about what you want legalized.

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I know exactly about what I am talking about. I'll break down your points:

Edit: *This can range from person to person.* You might feel "stoney" or tired, but it will not slow you down any more than say a lack of sleep will.

I reiterate that a joint kills less brain cells than a sneeze. Here's the reason why you think it makes you stupid. If smoked enough, THC lingers in the blood at high enough levels to make you feel stoned. Thus you can basically be walking around all day somewhat stoned, even without smoking recently. As you probably know, being "stoned" can make you seem stupid, which is why people might seem that way. As far as long term neurological effects, regular use of marijuana doesn't adversely affect your brain. DARE has taught you that it does.

I agree, pot will not *make* you gain weight, but it is much easier to do so. That is why I put munchies in parantheses when making my original point, indicating it was from overeating, not a metabolic change.

I also agree. Pot can have many effects, ranging from giddy euphoria to sleepy stoned-like feeling. It is different for every person almost every time you smoke, depending on the strain of weed. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that if you get stoned you enter a "mind numbing blankness".

But you made your points intelligently and I am not looking to argue, this is just what I've noticed/experienced/researched/etc.


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Ammy
02-12-2002, 07:38 PM
in my own personal experience, i agree mostly with jaggie, except the thing about recation times, it DOES slow your reaction times, yes, you may be more concentrated on the driving than usual, and of course that's always a good thing, but, you're still intoxicated, and it does have an effect on that..

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Jaggie
02-12-2002, 07:42 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Ammy:
in my own personal experience, i agree mostly with jaggie, except the thing about recation times, it DOES slow your reaction times, yes, you may be more concentrated on the driving than usual, and of course that's always a good thing, but, you're still intoxicated, and it does have an effect on that..

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Again, I know what you guys are talking about, but really, you shoudl clock it some time. It seems like you're slower because you are dopey but in all actuality it really isn't, but like I said, this could range from person to person, so if it held true for you, then my point about legal/illegal levels of THC in the blood for driving would make more sense.

Ammy
02-12-2002, 07:44 PM
well techincally at this point, being intoxicated on /anyhting/ that might impare your driving is illigal, i think at least, like cold medecine and the like.. so if it were legalized, yeah, i think having a range of legal vs nonlegal levels like alcohol would be neccesary..

but yeah, that's only in my personal experience, i hate driving stoned, i'm paranoid about it in general, and yes, that might be why i feel my reactions are slow, but i *think* it's been proven. not sure...?

Graveflower
02-12-2002, 07:46 PM
I drive great when I'm stoned. I'm also a far better bassist, too.

trine
02-12-2002, 08:21 PM
I stopped at a green light once....

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Jaggie
02-12-2002, 08:25 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by trine:
I stopped at a green light once....

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Haha, oh man, I've been there/done that.

melancholia
02-12-2002, 08:27 PM
driving while on anything= bad

nevermind
02-12-2002, 08:29 PM
some of you people talk of weed affecting you like you've only smoked it maybe once or twice in your lives. jesus. all this overanalyzing, pft.

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