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klon21
07-15-2002, 10:47 AM
This is REALLY REALLY interesting http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif
Unsurfaced ELITE videos.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1549849980

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1549851321

Oh my god! 2 hours acoustic show!!



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glued_on_wings
07-15-2002, 10:59 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by klon21:
This is REALLY REALLY interesting http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif
Unsurfaced ELITE videos.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1549849980

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1549851321

Oh my god! 2 hours acoustic show!!

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Some one bid on these shits, and get them transfered to audio..

ROck On..


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-We will miss you!! The Smashing Pumpkins (1988-2000) -
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StillBecomingApart
07-15-2002, 11:15 AM
I will win those auctions and I will trade them only for MP, Avalon or Machina 2 Digital.

LOL

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&lt;dndmepunk&gt; you can't use english correctly but you know how to say fuck you, i find that funny
&lt;dndmepunk&gt; if you don't know english, you at least know fuck you
&lt;dndmepunk&gt; i don't know italian....i don't know italian bad words either

http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/excel.jpg (http://www.IofTheMourning.com) http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/hayat.jpg (http://www.IofTheMourning.com/spyder) http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/puchuu.jpg (http://www.rockers.it/forum/)

temporary
07-15-2002, 11:52 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by StillBecomingApart:
I will win those auctions and I will trade them only for MP, Avalon or Machina 2 Digital.

LOL

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hoarding breeds hoarding,
its almost like little babies keeping candy from eachother

New Art Rioter
07-15-2002, 11:56 AM
*coughDVDcough*

StillBecomingApart
07-15-2002, 12:11 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by temporary:
hoarding breeds hoarding,
its almost like little babies keeping candy from eachother</font>

Yeah, but we are not babies http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

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&lt;dndmepunk&gt; you can't use english correctly but you know how to say fuck you, i find that funny
&lt;dndmepunk&gt; if you don't know english, you at least know fuck you
&lt;dndmepunk&gt; i don't know italian....i don't know italian bad words either

http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/excel.jpg (http://www.IofTheMourning.com) http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/hayat.jpg (http://www.IofTheMourning.com/spyder) http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/puchuu.jpg (http://www.rockers.it/forum/)

SP33
07-15-2002, 12:39 PM
I'm willing to chip in if the money is an issue.

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D'Arcy Glass (http://www.deadjournal.com/users/SP33/)

Boots (http://www.angelfire.com/co/mypumpkin/boots.html)

Smiley
07-15-2002, 01:05 PM
"In March of '92, Pearl Jam headlines at Metro, and Eddie Vedder is climbing the rafters. Billy comes out in a dress and joins them for the encore. People are still trying to figure out The Pumpkins, and here comes hard-rocker Billy in a dress, trying to break down some more classifications. A few months later, they play an acoustic show at Metro. Only they put the audience on the stage, and the band on the floor. Classic Corgan, classic Pumpkins: Spur of the moment, unconventional, unexpected." --Joe Shanahan

Could 7/23/92 be the acoustic show that Joe mentions here?

I'm willing to chip in a substantial amount, if anybody wants to pool our funds together. Or I'm willing to organize a chipping in thing if anybody wants to chip in with me.

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"love does not always have to be quiet and graceful, it can be boisterous and loud and even rude, to shout above the din to be heard sometimes... if only to bring a little peace" -bc
http://www.suicidekiss.org

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StillBecomingApart
07-15-2002, 01:16 PM
Don't let some O-BHOARDER get it! http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

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&lt;dndmepunk&gt; you can't use english correctly but you know how to say fuck you, i find that funny
&lt;dndmepunk&gt; if you don't know english, you at least know fuck you
&lt;dndmepunk&gt; i don't know italian....i don't know italian bad words either

http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/excel.jpg (http://www.IofTheMourning.com) http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/hayat.jpg (http://www.IofTheMourning.com/spyder) http://www.IofTheMourning.com/images/puchuu.jpg (http://www.rockers.it/forum/)

Cannibal_Dezzy
07-15-2002, 01:24 PM
35 dollars for a vid?? u guys are fucking crazy...stick with the audios jesus christ

Richard D. James
07-15-2002, 01:41 PM
Yeah, I was the one who bid on these up to $35, and I bid one up to $50.01 to see if this other bidder was for real, which it seems that it is. If anyone is down for the cause, I am willing to pitch in some cash, (obviously), and I have a couple of other people that are also willing. Contact me if you are interested.

If people are going to get into the hoarding issue, I will win these outright and then who knows what will happen. I have been accused of hoarding early videos in the past.*laugh*

I am in this to win this, and your help would be appreciated, but not necessary.

-GK

Halteh
07-15-2002, 01:59 PM
I already spoke to Greg Kavchak aboout this. The way I see it is we can either all bid the hell out of each other and let this thing go for big or pool our efforts and win this together. Hoarding is a little uncalled for because there really isn't much you can trade these videos for.

If we pool our efforts we can potentially have the video transfered to dvd right away and make dat>cdr copies and arrange some sort of distribution amongst those interested.

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"the guy's probably got a chart of leetness sitting by his computer where he keeps track of who's better than who" - bk
Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

Sebastian
07-15-2002, 02:20 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
If we pool our efforts we can potentially have the video transfered to dvd right away and make dat>cdr copies and arrange some sort of distribution amongst those interested.
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I'm all up for it! Did I ever mention that I have finally figured out how to make professional DVD menus? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

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Sebastian
Trade List (http://foo.dyndns.org/trades/)

"Well, I can only suggest a Bon Jovi concert." - James Iha (1996-04-14)

spguitar
07-15-2002, 02:22 PM
If someone wins i will buy a 1st gen copy from you!! I can also make really good VCDs out of them.

Smiley
07-15-2002, 02:24 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
I already spoke to Greg Kavchak aboout this. The way I see it is we can either all bid the hell out of each other and let this thing go for big or pool our efforts and win this together. Hoarding is a little uncalled for because there really isn't much you can trade these videos for.

If we pool our efforts we can potentially have the video transfered to dvd right away and make dat>cdr copies and arrange some sort of distribution amongst those interested. </font>

Yeah, let's get organized! I'm willing to chip in whatever everybody else chips in. So far I guess we have you, Greg, Greg's "couple of other people", SP33, and myself.

If everybody who is interested posts here, then we can figure out how much each person would have to pay. Fares, you're saying that you're willing to be in charge of this, right? I think that's the best way, because you can do vid->dat->cdr. If there's any way that I can help out besides chipping in, let me know. For example, I'd be willing to handle a snail-mail CDR or VHS tree if there's enough interest in that. I can do SHN's now too, but I don't know if I'll be able to host a FTP.

Am I getting a little ahead of ourselves? Sorry, I'm just excited. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif For the record, I'd be willing to chip in $10 extra (above what everybody else pays) if I could also get copies on VHS.

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"love does not always have to be quiet and graceful, it can be boisterous and loud and even rude, to shout above the din to be heard sometimes... if only to bring a little peace" -bc
http://www.suicidekiss.org

zekix
07-15-2002, 02:35 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
Yeah, let's get organized! I'm willing to chip in whatever everybody else chips in. So far I guess we have you, Greg, Greg's "couple of other people", SP33, and myself.

If everybody who is interested posts here, then we can figure out how much each person would have to pay. Fares, you're saying that you're willing to be in charge of this, right? I think that's the best way, because you can do vid->dat->cdr. If there's any way that I can help out besides chipping in, let me know. For example, I'd be willing to handle a snail-mail CDR or VHS tree if there's enough interest in that. I can do SHN's now too, but I don't know if I'll be able to host a FTP.

Am I getting a little ahead of ourselves? Sorry, I'm just excited. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif For the record, I'd be willing to chip in $10 extra (above what everybody else pays) if I could also get copies on VHS.

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Does it make me a bad person if I don't chip in? Does it not make me eligible to get the recording?

thestreetsarehot2night
07-15-2002, 02:44 PM
Last time farres organised some thing like this it went pretty good.
I would also be up for sending some cash and same for the extra on getting a vhs copy who would be able to transfer pal to vhs ?

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If you're feeling sinister

Virex_Gaze6
07-15-2002, 02:50 PM
Iam willing to help out! Just let me know what I need to do!

D

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My bootlist (http://virexgaze.stormpages.com)

Halteh
07-15-2002, 02:52 PM
Greg is currently in contact with the seller, perhaps we can get these off of ebay, the seller also claims to have some other things. My suggestion is to not bid on these videos right now and wait to hear what Greg says. Anything that is put on ebay is not rare, so it's lame for anyone to try to win these and hoarde or trade rare. especialyl when the sellers email address is avalible to everyone.

I don't know what the best way of going about getting these is, but I do know that we should work together and just share these. I am more than willing to do whatever is needed to help out. I just think we should wait right now to see what the seller says. If it's a no go for a sale off of ebay than by all means, one of us needs to win these and the rest of us need to pay. Getting enough people won't be a problem.

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"the guy's probably got a chart of leetness sitting by his computer where he keeps track of who's better than who" - bk
Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

glued_on_wings
07-15-2002, 02:52 PM
Ok guys lets get this organized. There is no need to sit here an out bid one anouther. Im more then willing to chip some money in if i need to..

Rock On.

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-We will miss you!! The Smashing Pumpkins (1988-2000) -
Sad Machines Audio Archive (http://www.crosswinds.net/~sadmachines)
Glued On Wings FTP (ftp://smashing:pumpkins@sadmachines.d2g.com)

starlightvideoproductions
07-15-2002, 03:16 PM
I'll chip in AND make dvds of them AND transfer the audio http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Slurpee
07-15-2002, 03:28 PM
I will chip in whatever is necessary. I am also willing to help any organizational efforts.

spguitar
07-15-2002, 03:41 PM
I'll pitch in for both vids and make VCDs of them for people that don't have DVD players.

Sebastian
07-15-2002, 03:58 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
I'll chip in AND make dvds of them AND transfer the audio http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif</font>

I'm planning on buying a DVD recorder in the near future, so I can help with making copies. Plus, I'll also donate some money.

btw: What's better? DVD-R(W) or DVD+R(W). I thought about getting a DVD-R(W) due to the cheaper media.

ObsequiousK
07-15-2002, 04:24 PM
I'd be happy to chip in too, to get something this cool http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Keith Marston

severin
07-15-2002, 04:25 PM
i'd be happy to put some money into this, too

Richard D. James
07-15-2002, 04:29 PM
Wow, it's great to see the support for this. It would be nice to have this organized. This is the way I see things:

-I am little weary as to who this other guy is that is bidding with negative feedback, as people in the past get pissed off and bid things up to make the seller have to relist, etc. (Remember the first time Machina II was being sold on Ebay) Oh well, though, what can we do.

-I have talked to the seller, and he says that he is getting hammered with questions regarding these videos. I told him I was a little concerned about me bidding up these videos and then another copy going to auction a day later. He said that if they go for a lot, which he expects them to, then he would perhaps work something out with the winner about not distributing them again.

-I will spearhead the communication with the seller as I have already talked to him. I asked him about his other "rare" stuff, but really didn't want to push the issue now as we have two brand new videos coming out. I will post as much information as he gives me also. If you have any questions for him, let me know and I will ask. I think it might be a burden on him answering 100 questions from 100 different people. I have already asked him about source, lineage, camera's, etc...

-The information that he gave me was that one of them was shot from the soundboard, and the other was shot about 15 feet away straight on. He said they were a little dark, but the sound was good and undistorted. He stated that "video cameras in 1992 are not quite what they are today." He also stated that the source was a "close source." That is all he said, so don't ask.

-It seems that transferring this will not be a problem as I am impressed that there are so many people with DVD and transferring capabilities.

-Some of my "other people" are major collectors and already said they would be willing to put in for it. I would not like to reveal their names as they are not major traders, but major collectors. (Test presses, promo's, flexi's, etc...)

-I will be up for doing pretty much an unlimited B+P for the people that want just audio AFTER we get this transferred, but the people that pitch in cash or services, would obviously get preferrential treatment, based on amount. I think that is only fair.

-To not outbid each other, and just to make you guys aware of who I am on Ebay, I am Steamy7. (It's a joke-name) If I bid for it again, please don't outbid me. There is someone else who might bid also, but I will let you know his name so you don't outbid him, if he agrees to help out.

-Everyone might as well start mailing me with EXACTLY how much they will be willing to chip in for these videos. Example: "I will contribute $10 for video 1 and $15 for video 2." I would like to get a tally of what we are up to. I don't think these will be a problem if we pull together.

As for who I am, well obviously since I am an Amish Rake Fighter, I am not much of a poster, but I have been around the block a couple of times, and have met some great people through the community. I am not some high-school teeny-bopper that likes that "Rat in a cage song." I think I am able to be trusted, and hopefully people that know me that still post on here can vouch for my dependability. If you have any questions, feel free to mail me at gkavchak@yahoo.com with your bids and/or questions. Let's get this done.

Regards,

Greg

glued_on_wings
07-15-2002, 04:40 PM
Guys we really need to get this together.. The only person who has really put anything together is this greg guy, but I dont know him from the man in the moon, so i dont so much trust him, no offense. Fares you mentioned organizing something first, and you did a great job last time with all those tapes, why dont you start putting something together. Something like you pay 10 bucks per tape, you get a copy of the audio and you send a blank dvd for a copy of that..
Something along those lines..

ROck ON..

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- I use music (http://www.gluedsboots.cjb.net) as some kind of weird salvation to get away from life... -
-We will miss you!! The Smashing Pumpkins (1988-2000) -
Sad Machines Audio Archive (http://www.crosswinds.net/~sadmachines)
Glued On Wings FTP (ftp://smashing:pumpkins@sadmachines.d2g.com)

Richard D. James
07-15-2002, 04:52 PM
Hmmm...I guess trust is something you have to earn, and that's fine. Since when was trust associated with Netphoria? Look, I know Fares, and I would like to think I know him well. I have met him several times and have traded with him several times. I do have a bootlist, and it is way, way, way old, but if you don't believe me, here:

http://home.sprintmail.com/~stretch/gkavchak/

I am not some newbie to this. I have been branches for trees and done numerous B+P's for people. I understand that I am not as visable as Fares or Fresko, but that is because I am not much for message boards. Believe what you will, but I see Mr. Turner has joined the bidding war and he usually has some good money to spend on this stuff. This lack of trust is what starts hoarding and perpetuates all the finger pointing in this place. If you want to work through Fares, that is fine, I have no problem, I was trying to do something nice and make it easy for people. I live near Chicago, I could go pick them up, etc...but if you want it worked out some other way, then fine with me.

Greg

glued_on_wings
07-15-2002, 05:08 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
Hmmm...I guess trust is something you have to earn, and that's fine. Since when was trust associated with Netphoria? Look, I know Fares, and I would like to think I know him well. I have met him several times and have traded with him several times. I do have a bootlist, and it is way, way, way old, but if you don't believe me, here:

http://home.sprintmail.com/~stretch/gkavchak/

I am not some newbie to this. I have been branches for trees and done numerous B+P's for people. I understand that I am not as visable as Fares or Fresko, but that is because I am not much for message boards. Believe what you will, but I see Mr. Turner has joined the bidding war and he usually has some good money to spend on this stuff. This lack of trust is what starts hoarding and perpetuates all the finger pointing in this place. If you want to work through Fares, that is fine, I have no problem, I was trying to do something nice and make it easy for people. I live near Chicago, I could go pick them up, etc...but if you want it worked out some other way, then fine with me.

Greg


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Hey i wasnt speaking for everyone. I just said i wasnt sure. But some organization needs to be done to get these vids. Greg so far you may have the best idea. Put something together and we can go from there i guess.

Rock On..



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- I use music (http://www.gluedsboots.cjb.net) as some kind of weird salvation to get away from life... -
-We will miss you!! The Smashing Pumpkins (1988-2000) -
Sad Machines Audio Archive (http://www.crosswinds.net/~sadmachines)
Glued On Wings FTP (ftp://smashing:pumpkins@sadmachines.d2g.com)

RumoredToTheS&N
07-15-2002, 05:14 PM
i'll be glad to pitch in $20 or so if it'll help. if the video is dark or whatever, i can do color correction to make it more viewable.

thestreetsarehot2night
07-15-2002, 05:16 PM
-Everyone might as well start mailing me with EXACTLY how much they will be willing to chip in for these videos. Example: "I will contribute $10 for video 1 and $15 for video 2." I would like to get a tally of what we are up to. I don't think these will be a problem if we pull together.
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We should agree a set amount it is the fairest way to do it.

Jeroen (Aagje)
07-15-2002, 05:25 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
Hmmm...I guess trust is something you have to earn, and that's fine.</font>

FWIW, I'll say that I know and trust Greg http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif
(People with the power of deduction might want to check out the 891031 NSPAA SHN thing info file http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif )

Unfortunately, due to severe lack of funds, that's all I'm able to chip in for now http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

Be blissed
Jeroen
np: Portishead - Pedestal

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Smashing Pumpkins into Small Piles of Putrid Debris (http://www.gamersinn.com/library/arcade/?725): All the pumpkins of the world cower in fear again, as another Halloween approaches. As always, they are destined to be culinarily transformed into grotesque icons of a pagan tradition. Their only hope was to steal all of Earth's candles and take them away to the distant pumpkin planet, Pumpkinia. <font color=black>

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Halteh
07-15-2002, 05:30 PM
Greg's a great guy and very trustworthy. None of you have any reason to doubt him and I assure you that you are all in good hands if you just trust him. He's been around for a long time now and know what he's doing. He's not some 15 year old wanker using his mothers computer. You guys have nothing to worry about. He's leeter than all of our combined forces, Hell all of you should take a minute and thank god that he's blessed us with his presence.

In response to what you said Glued on Wings, Yes I can organize, but why make things more confusing when he'a already agreed? It looks like these vids my go high so I strongly suggest you just email him sayig how much you'd be "willing" to chip in. Once the auction closes and he wins, he will simply take the total of amount of interested people and divide it by the cost of the videos and BAM!! we have our grand total. It really shouldn't end up costing any one person to much money if we have enough interest. Once Greg has the videos he will simply ship them off to the appropriate people who can make copies on whatever media (i can do shns) and people can just b+p to one another.

I'd be easily willing to put in 10-20 bux. Imagine if there were 20-40 ppl like me? we can easily sum up a large amount and not have anyone end up paying a ton. And if turner is willing to compete with say 50 people who are willing to pay some money, well he better put more auctions up on ebay cos it will probably end up costing him a pretty penny.

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"the guy's probably got a chart of leetness sitting by his computer where he keeps track of who's better than who" - bk
Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)


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Halteh
07-15-2002, 05:31 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by thestreetsarehot2night:

-Everyone might as well start mailing me with EXACTLY how much they will be willing to chip in for these videos. Example: "I will contribute $10 for video 1 and $15 for video 2." I would like to get a tally of what we are up to. I don't think these will be a problem if we pull together.
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We should agree a set amount it is the fairest way to do it.

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We can't set an amount till we know what the vids go for. For now, just email him and tell him what the most you'd be willing to put in is. That doesn't mean you will be required to put that much up in (refer to previous post)


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"the guy's probably got a chart of leetness sitting by his computer where he keeps track of who's better than who" - bk
Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

darcy_is_sexy
07-15-2002, 05:36 PM
I'm in for $5 on each video. Sorry, I don't have anything more. These sound like a great find and it would be a damn shame to let them fall into the h0arding circle.

Halteh
07-15-2002, 05:38 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by darcy_is_sexy:
I'm in for $5 on each video. Sorry, I don't have anything more. These sound like a great find and it would be a damn shame to let them fall into the h0arding circle.</font>

Excellent, but hey don't tell us here, tell it to Gregs inbox http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

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"the guy's probably got a chart of leetness sitting by his computer where he keeps track of who's better than who" - bk
Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

thestreetsarehot2night
07-15-2002, 05:47 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
We can't set an amount till we know what the vids go for. For now, just email him and tell him what the most you'd be willing to put in is. That doesn't mean you will be required to put that much up in (refer to previous post)


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K
i get you



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Richard D. James
07-15-2002, 05:51 PM
First off, JVB, Fares, thanks for the support. I am not trying to screw with people here, just remember that, and I am not nearly as "leet" as Fares or JVB, but I can only hope. (No Fares, it has not come) I have gotten a couple of mails already which is fantastic. Please email me the exact amount willing like Fares said to gkavchak@yahoo.com and if you have a Paypal or any other type account like that available. Let's just try this for now and tackle the next large issue of distribution, originals, trees?, etc...when/if we win. So for now, flood the hell out of my inbox and if I am online, then AIM me at GKAVCHAK. Who knows, if we have a bunch of extra cash, it could pry something else loose, we will just have to see.

Regards,

Greg

klon21
07-15-2002, 05:57 PM
I'm glad to see what is happening.
I cant contribute because i am lack of funds due to imminent holiday travel.
I discovered the videos and started the topic so Fares, Greg, Glued on Wings and all involved... please, dont forget me. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif
I will be interested in CDR and VCD.
Thanks everybody!!

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-15-2002, 06:02 PM
i replied to a post on the oboard regarding these videos letting them know what's going on here, so hopefully we won't all be outbidding each other. maybe we can lure some folks over to pitch in a few extra bucks.

Halteh
07-15-2002, 06:03 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
i replied to a post on the oboard regarding these videos letting them know what's going on here, so hopefully we won't all be outbidding each other. maybe we can lure some folks over to pitch in a few extra bucks.</font>


Excellent, just point them to this thread http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif


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Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

RumoredToTheS&N
07-15-2002, 06:06 PM
thread is pointed.

thestreetsarehot2night
07-15-2002, 06:14 PM
Mmm i am going to swoop in a bid for a milion dollars -=#== *damn* *it* cant find a Dr evil pic with pinkie in mouth.

Na that is something i worry about though if he wants it to run to the end. some arse wipe putting a stupid bid on five seconds before the end

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Snail*
07-15-2002, 06:19 PM
I'm in, as always.

theman1343
07-15-2002, 06:45 PM
I'm in...

Zero?
07-15-2002, 07:01 PM
I'm in,...

ps adam,..I'll try and send those cdrs soon.

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jlo
07-15-2002, 07:13 PM
I`m in..

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The Gaddrow
07-15-2002, 07:23 PM
*e-mails Greg*

Fish
07-15-2002, 07:28 PM
I'm in

starlightvideoproductions
07-15-2002, 07:43 PM
I think the easiest thing to do is to do is start another thread. Each person states how much they want to contribute, and what format/s they want it on. remember, on a dvd, I can put the audio in it, so if you want a dvd, you automatically get a cdr of it if you have a dvd drive on your comp. And whoever asked the best dvd format, it is DVD-r, NOT dvd+r, that has more expensive media and is less compatable. BTW, I can also make vcds/svcds in real time.

Fish
07-15-2002, 07:56 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
I think the easiest thing to do is to do is start another thread. Each person states how much they want to contribute, and what format/s they want it on. remember, on a dvd, I can put the audio in it, so if you want a dvd, you automatically get a cdr of it if you have a dvd drive on your comp. And whoever asked the best dvd format, it is DVD-r, NOT dvd+r, that has more expensive media and is less compatable. BTW, I can also make vcds/svcds in real time.</font>

People might want their privacy.. Also, it would allow someone bidding against to estimate how much we are putting in.. Email is the way forward. If Jeroen and Fares say we can trust Greg, we can. For the record though i'd like CDR or VCD.

starlightvideoproductions
07-15-2002, 08:24 PM
Also for the record, DVD is 10x better than vcd http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif If you don't have a dvd player, than go ahead for the vcd, but if you have a dvd player, there is no reason not to want a dvd over a dvd.

Halteh
07-15-2002, 08:27 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
I think the easiest thing to do is to do is start another thread. Each person states how much they want to contribute, and what format/s they want it on. remember, on a dvd, I can put the audio in it, so if you want a dvd, you automatically get a cdr of it if you have a dvd drive on your comp. And whoever asked the best dvd format, it is DVD-r, NOT dvd+r, that has more expensive media and is less compatable. BTW, I can also make vcds/svcds in real time.</font>


No, lets not do this now. Lets not even worry about distribution right now, just worry about buying the video from the seller. Once we have the video we can deal with the distribution method. I assume it will go like this:

1. Greg wings, pays the seller with all the money we put in.
2. Receives the videos, sends them to starlightvideoproductions (or someone who can transfer them)
3. That person will press a copy on dvd and vcd. and if you can, make audio copies to cdr (if not i can do this)
4. mail the vids back to Greg and send a dvd/vcd copy to 4-5 other branhces who have ability to reproduce these on dvd/vcd and leaves can simply b+p. Audio copy will get out on shn fast and then can be easily obtained by anyone.

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Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

RumoredToTheS&N
07-15-2002, 08:48 PM
well, we'd better get crackin'. has anyone else checked the highest bids lately? yikes!

starlightvideoproductions
07-15-2002, 09:10 PM
Haltek, thats probably what will happen. It turns out Greg lives about an hour from me http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif So, that is good, because then the videos will not have to go in the mail, to avoid damage from heat, mail people stepping on them, etc.

starlightvideoproductions
07-15-2002, 09:13 PM
Holy shit, I just saw who was selling them. I know him! I've traded with him! He is the shit, he has so much good stuff. He never said he has Pumpkins stuff however. Well, small world after all http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Snail*
07-15-2002, 09:34 PM
Hmm, the current high bidder may just be in there to try to kill the auction...his only (negative) feedback is for an auction that was never paid for.

Fish
07-15-2002, 09:44 PM
Can't the seller do something about that, like cancel his bids or ignore them? If he wins and doesn't pay can he choose to sell to us?

Fish
07-15-2002, 09:57 PM
Looks like they have.. This is getting even more intresting.. Check Zwanagogo's auctions.. A she? And the hoody. And Shawn has the other one..

Brandont_h
07-15-2002, 10:14 PM
Actually, if zwanagogo is who I think it is, it's a guy. Nice shirt though, man.

-Brandon

Halteh
07-15-2002, 10:40 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Brandont_h:
Actually, if zwanagogo is who I think it is, it's a guy. Nice shirt though, man.

-Brandon</font>

Is that Vinny? and Shawn Turner has the other bid? what's wrong with these people? Or better yet where do they get the money to do somemthing like this? I don't understand why they just don't join this cooperative effort. I mean even if they do win, it's not going to be cheap, at least for us we won't be paying more than 10-20 a vid. I'm also seeing reports of people claimming to know this seller, doesn't this mean that other copies would inevitably get out?

Well suit yourselves, I guess :-/

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Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

thestreetsarehot2night
07-15-2002, 10:45 PM
If people do know the seller then surely the guy would sell to us but he hasnt so its plain to see that money is talking at the moment.
Has anyone sent shawn or the other guy an email saying what is going on here and that they would get a copy anyway ?

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Halteh
07-15-2002, 10:55 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by thestreetsarehot2night:

Has anyone sent shawn or the other guy an email saying what is going on here and that they would get a copy anyway ?

</font>
I donít tHink that wOuld mAtter to them, they pRobably planneD other thINGs for the videos.


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Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

sarasvati
07-15-2002, 10:56 PM
Well, obviously it'll be money that's talking if he's selling the items on eBay. zwanagogo rings a bell to me though, I think he goes on the hub...someone should let him know what we are doing, email him this thread or something.

Fares, as for Shawn Turner, I'm sure he has lots of money to buy these videos, I mean, look at the money he's spent on everything else in his collection...

sarasvati
07-15-2002, 10:57 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
[QUOTE]
I donít tHink that wOuld mAtter to them, they pRobably planneD other thINGs for the videos.


</font>

hahaha

sarasvati
07-15-2002, 10:58 PM
wow, and look at my awesome quoting skillz.

Altezano
07-15-2002, 11:17 PM
<font color = "Altezano">I'm not surprised Shawn's doing this...considerind people kicked his ass about the digital Machina II's he has...

Also - I'd like to help, but I don't live in the US (and therefore do not have access to the Almighty Dollar). So if anyone has any ideas how I could contribute, PM me.</font>

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Richard D. James
07-15-2002, 11:27 PM
Hey there everyone. Well I just got through my mail and the response has been fantastic. We have, what I feel, is a pretty substantial amount. We have about 25 people that have mailed me just today. Pretty impressive. Some things of note:

-Please do not ask for trades for these already in substitution for funds. We have to win these first in order for me to trade them.

-There are about 10 people who are giving VERY substantial amounts.

-I got another email from the seller. He said that if these videos go for a lot, that he will not relist them, but neither can the buyer. This creates a LARGE problem if we do it "community style." I would bet my next paycheck that if we win these and distribute them, that they will be on Ebay sooner or later. Not picking out one person, just stating the facts.

Anywho, keep mailing me with your bids and I will keep track of them. I have written everyone back (hopefully) confirming your bid or your involvement. Thanks for your effort and keep rocking.

Greg

Slurpee
07-15-2002, 11:58 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:

-I got another email from the seller. He said that if these videos go for a lot, that he will not relist them, but neither can the buyer. This creates a LARGE problem if we do it "community style." I would bet my next paycheck that if we win these and distribute them, that they will be on Ebay sooner or later. Not picking out one person, just stating the facts. </font>

Hmmm... if I contribute money, I want a copy. I'm not going to pay for someone else to hoard it. I completely understand, though, if there's not a tree, or even if we're not allowed to freely trade it.

collectspumpkins
07-16-2002, 12:19 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Originally posted by thestreetsarehot2night:

Has anyone sent shawn or the other guy an email saying what is going on here and that they would get a copy anyway ?

</font>
I donít tHink that wOuld mAtter to them, they pRobably planneD other thINGs for the videos.




Really? Are you speaking for me now, I didn't know that. Why can't I win the auction and have the original master? I would still send the video to starlightvideo productions do DVD and/or audio transfers could be made. Everyone is making an assumption about what I would do, but I haven't made a public statement about it until now. I would like these videos to get out, but I'd like to have the originals (if possible). But if you all want to pool your money for nothing, then by all means go ahead.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-16-2002, 12:26 AM
how about you join the pool, you keep the originals when we win & you can save some dough? with your money added to the pot, it would be that much more likely that we won't get outbid. i have no reason to think you're anything but honorable, but i'd hate to have these tapes get won by someone other than you; someone who might not want to share.
just a thought.

Halteh
07-16-2002, 12:28 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by :
</font>

Yeah, I don't anyone really cares for the original videos, vhs's are sorta crappy anyways. Shawn, you'd actually be willing to drop all that cash just you can have the originals? I say you just join us and I'm sure you can just have the videos.

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Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

collectspumpkins
07-16-2002, 12:31 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Yeah, I don't anyone really cares for the original videos, vhs's are sorta crappy anyways. Shawn, you'd actually be willing to drop all that cash just you can have the originals? I say you just join us and I'm sure you can just have the videos.

</font>

Fine, I'll join the party. But I'd like an audio copy and dvd copy too, just so I can listen to it in surround sound...heh.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-16-2002, 12:51 AM
woohoooo!

ziggy
07-16-2002, 01:02 AM
I'm in

StarlightKitty33
07-16-2002, 01:24 AM
I'll pitch in. I'll pay however much i need to...

and i'd love an audio and video copy!
email me and let me know whats going on

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SP33
07-16-2002, 03:11 AM
Greg,

I emailed you http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

-Steph

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garysbootlegs
07-16-2002, 06:17 AM
Is the person who is selling them the person who actually recorded the shows? Is he selling off his masters or will he simply do a 1st gen copy for the winner?

Im also in the UK and would like in on this, is there anything i could do? Id like a dvd and audio of the shows.

Also does anyone know how much blank dvdrs cost?

dross and glass
07-16-2002, 06:26 AM
she says she wants to marry me....she says she wants a baaaaaby....it's not easy, when your scared.

I want in as well...
Can I be part of a branch? ... tree branch...

Peace

Brandont_h
07-16-2002, 07:14 AM
Fares: I'm too lazy to quote, but yes, based on vinny's email address, I am guessing that he is zwanagogo.

I'm also wondering how many times we have to point out that we must WIN the auctions before we start talking tree? Don't get me wrong: anyone who knows me will recognize that I'd be more than willing to help out if needed, but let's worry about that when the videos are actually in the possesion of this collective.

-Brandon [ _AvNGr_ on the hub]

The Gaddrow
07-16-2002, 08:29 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by collectspumpkins:
Fine, I'll join the party.</font> Thank you Shawn.

Richard D. James
07-16-2002, 09:51 AM
Hey there everyone, well it is a delight to wake up and have my inbox flooded with more contributions. Some thoughts/notes:

-Shawn, if you want to go for the videos against us, that is fine, but it is going to cost you...plenty. I suggest that you join the cause, because the potential has reached *censored*. 5 people are pretty much half of that. I totally back Fares on his statement as I really don't think it matters much who has the originals, as long as there is a good copy circulating.

-Thanks for everyone contributing. As the bids have come in, I have tried to pick the lower of the two numbers you give me if you stated a range. I really doubt these videos will go for as much as we have. We have 29 people total that are interested, so far.

-Slurpee, I agree with you also, I would not contribute money for someone else to hoard the video/audio. Don't worry, I have no intentions on hoarding this.

-I talked to the seller again and he was pretty much fine with the fact that this is a community effort. *phew* I would ask though, if/when we do win this auction, and you do get your copy, please don't sell this. Be responsible.

Any other questions, let me know.

Greg




[This message has been edited by glued_on_wings (edited 07-16-2002).]

fallingtogether
07-16-2002, 10:02 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
Hey there everyone, well it is a delight to wake up and have my inbox flooded with more contributions. Some thoughts/notes:

-Shawn, if you want to go for the videos against us, that is fine, but it is going to cost you...plenty. [edit] I totally back Fares on his statement as I really don't think it matters much who has the originals, as long as there is a good copy circulating.

</font>

not exactly sure that you want to publically say how much you're willing to pay, or how many people want to contribute -- if the seller caught wind of this thread, he could always bid the item up. you're really putting people's money in danger (making them pay more) by saying how much you've collected.

[This message has been edited by fallingtogether (edited 07-16-2002).]

glued_on_wings
07-16-2002, 10:24 AM
You got more mail.. Im glad to see every one banning together. Greg im sorry i doubted you before..

ROck ON..

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StarlightKitty33
07-16-2002, 10:32 AM
Do we know the dj2039 person bidding on them?

The Gaddrow
07-16-2002, 10:37 AM
I'd be willing to bet that it is glam-productions using a new name.

glued_on_wings
07-16-2002, 10:43 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by The Gaddrow:
I'd be willing to bet that it is glam-productions using a new name.</font>


I would guess the same thing.. WHo is this glam productions guy, is it anyone we know or just some outside hicking up the bid..

Rock ON..


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Glued On Wings FTP (ftp://smashing:pumpkins@sadmachines.d2g.com)

the arms of sleep
07-16-2002, 11:17 AM
just emailed greg. im in. please stop disclosing how much (even approximately) money we have. people selling on ebay can and will use this against the bidders.

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Halteh
07-16-2002, 11:19 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by the arms of sleep:
just emailed greg. im in. please stop disclosing how much (even approximately) money we have. people selling on ebay can and will use this against the bidders.

</font>

Yeah, Greg you shouldn't even make mention to him that this is a group effort or anything of that sort. If anyone who is interested in these videos is posting in this thread I don't see why they should go any higher than the current bid. The seller can really fuck us over with this knowledge.

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Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

Fish
07-16-2002, 12:20 PM
We don't need to bid yet anyway, it will just force the price up. The last hour/1/2 hour is the important time. Ebay's servers will probably crash under the strain of so many refresh commands http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

EverlastingGlaze
07-16-2002, 01:00 PM
this is leet

glued_on_wings
07-16-2002, 01:03 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by EverlastingGlaze:
this is leet</font>
2leet4u



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Glued On Wings FTP (ftp://smashing:pumpkins@sadmachines.d2g.com)

Richard D. James
07-16-2002, 01:40 PM
More support, more support, more support...I have gotten more support. The seller seems to be a pretty good guy and was very cool with the idea of the community getting this. He might give me a call to talk about further deals. Some notes/thoughts:

-The seller eliminated this DJ's guys bids also. He seems to be on the ball. He just wants a fair price for these, and that is what we will give.

-Who says I am not talking up or down how much we really have? I am not dumb, and I know how this stuff works. The only person who knows how much we have is me. I would love to get this for as low as possible. Saving money for something else perhaps?

-I threw a couple of bids out there for a low amount to weed out the suckers. Then we get into the debate of if you are actually going to pay an amount and that is the most you are willing to spend, might as well put it out there, right? Who knows...I usually like to bid in the last 2 minutes, but that is just me.

-Please don't think that I am "playing" with your money on this. I am the one who is going to have to front the money up front, so I am not going to mess my finances, let alone yours. Trust me on this...

-I also asked him for setlists if possible.

More laters!

Greg

s00p3rm4n
07-16-2002, 01:59 PM
uh, just so you know shawn, simply because it's transferred to DVD does not mean it's in "surround sound."

unless whoever gets the tapes goes through and painstakingly assigns different sounds/tracks/instruments to different channels (which can take quite a while), it'll be the exact same audio as the original, though possibly cleaner if they choose to remove artifacts or whatever.

(Greg, I'm assuming you're greg on the hub, right? ok, this is superman - I'll just PM you about this l8r)

K, peeps, this is fun http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif.
bye!

thestreetsarehot2night
07-16-2002, 02:22 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by collectspumpkins:
Fine, I'll join the party. .

</font>

See this is going to work out pretty good
cheers for coming in on this shaun.
You have to admit farres post was quite funny though http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif


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starlightvideoproductions
07-16-2002, 03:02 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by s00p3rm4n:
uh, just so you know shawn, simply because it's transferred to DVD does not mean it's in "surround sound."

unless whoever gets the tapes goes through and painstakingly assigns different sounds/tracks/instruments to different channels (which can take quite a while), it'll be the exact same audio as the original, though possibly cleaner if they choose to remove artifacts or whatever.

(Greg, I'm assuming you're greg on the hub, right? ok, this is superman - I'll just PM you about this l8r)

K, peeps, this is fun http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif.
bye!</font>

No, it won't be in surround. Its nearly impossible to do that on a probably mono recording. Although it could be in stereo, who knows. Anyways, to be in surround, I would have to use AC3 for audio, and AC3 is compressed, so I'd rather stick with 48 khtz PCM audio.

Halteh
07-16-2002, 04:49 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by thestreetsarehot2night:
See this is going to work out pretty good
cheers for coming in on this shaun.
You have to admit farres post was quite funny though http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

</font>


hehe, i was just kidding around, I hope i didn't offend anyone. Shawn's a good guy http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

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Fares Halteh - Halteh3 AT rogers DOT com L33+ Trading Page (http://members.rogers.com/halteh3/main.html)

Injektilo
07-16-2002, 05:52 PM
Wow, this is awesome.
I'm in with a little cash.

julian

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Brandont_h
07-16-2002, 06:50 PM
Ahh, Julian. . . A fellow Matt Good fan, I take it! Excellent.

-Brandon [Yeah, totally off topic, but whatever.]

theman1343
07-16-2002, 07:30 PM
and....... 100

sarasvati
07-16-2002, 08:35 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by **********:
and....... 100</font>

and...101!!! heh.

***

Injektilo
07-16-2002, 11:40 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Brandont_h:
Ahh, Julian. . . A fellow Matt Good fan, I take it! Excellent.

-Brandon [Yeah, totally off topic, but whatever.]</font>

yeah, kinda OT...
uh, I'm a big fan of the audio of being. My girlfriend is a big mgb fan, and she made me listen to that album, and I love it. The rest of the stuff is good, but nothing I'd buy. Matts a very quotable guy, i keep meaning to change my sig to "if I roast marshmallows over their bodies do you think god will still find their souls"



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starlightvideoproductions
07-17-2002, 03:40 PM
We got outbid!

glued_on_wings
07-17-2002, 03:43 PM
NOOOOOOO!!

Rock On..

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-We will miss you!! The Smashing Pumpkins (1988-2000) -
Sad Machines Audio Archive (http://www.crosswinds.net/~sadmachines)
Glued On Wings FTP (ftp://smashing:pumpkins@sadmachines.d2g.com)

sarmatianus
07-17-2002, 03:49 PM
Relax. It won't hold.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 03:49 PM
greg (or anyone else, i guess),
i'm a little ignorant about this whole process, so maybe you can help me out. now, i'm sure some folks will start yelling "we haven't won them yet!", but i think this is something worth hashing out before the end of the auction. IF we win this thing & it's for a lot less than has been promised by everyone here, how will the total be divided up? let's say you have $xxx promised & it only costs 1/2 of $xxx. does that mean that the folks who promised $50 pay only $25? i'm sure some of you here have experience with this sort of thing, but i'm kind of clueless. any info would be greatly appreciated. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

monto
07-17-2002, 03:51 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
We got outbid!</font>prime ebay mistake...don't bother bidding until the last seconds anyway, otherwise you're just driving up the price for yourself

jlo
07-17-2002, 03:57 PM
Anyone knows who this "vashtrigun" is? Maybe we can bring him to our "good side of the force".

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Halteh
07-17-2002, 05:09 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
greg (or anyone else, i guess),
i'm a little ignorant about this whole process, so maybe you can help me out. now, i'm sure some folks will start yelling "we haven't won them yet!", but i think this is something worth hashing out before the end of the auction. IF we win this thing & it's for a lot less than has been promised by everyone here, how will the total be divided up? let's say you have $xxx promised & it only costs 1/2 of $xxx. does that mean that the folks who promised $50 pay only $25? i'm sure some of you here have experience with this sort of thing, but i'm kind of clueless. any info would be greatly appreciated. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif</font>

Everyone will pay an even amount. If someoone offered $50 and someone else offered $30 it doesn't matter. we simply divide the total bid price by the number of people who have shown interest; everyone pays the same.

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 05:12 PM
makes sense to me.

sarmatianus
07-17-2002, 05:15 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Everyone will pay an even amount. If someoone offered $50 and someone else offered $30 it doesn't matter. we simply divide the total bid price by the number of people who have shown interest; everyone pays the same.

</font>

Yes, but what if I didn't offer that much?

RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 05:23 PM
then men in dark suits & sunglasses will come & pay you a little visit.


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Brandont_h
07-17-2002, 06:00 PM
Ok, I know I was the one yelling about how we have to win the videos before we start discussing what to do with them, but I'd like to state for the record that I think an audio transfer should be done BEFORE a video transfer, should the tapes end up in our possesion. This way, those of us who have pledged money will get a quick fix, and we won't have to sit here empty handed for months waiting to see what exactly it was we paid for. But again, we do have to win them first, and I recognize this fact. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

-Brandon [This post is the clumination of some discussion on the hub earlier today.]

Halteh
07-17-2002, 06:01 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by sarmatianus:
Yes, but what if I didn't offer that much?</font>

Yeah that would be the problem. Let's just cross our fingers for a lot of participation and a low price. I really hate talking about this in a public forum. But let's just say they went for $300 a piece (which is a lot if you ask me) and we got 40 people to pitch in. that's only 15 bux for 2 vids. I don't know if ppl are willing to even put that much, but we'll see, i guess :-/

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Brandont_h
07-17-2002, 06:06 PM
Perhaps, if the person didn't offer that much, they can either be asked if they would be willing to up their offer, or simply give the full amount they offered. If they won't up their offer, we simply have to recalculate, or see if some generous soul is willing to give more than his/her even share.

-Brandon [Just a suggestion. . .]

RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 06:10 PM
that sounds pretty good. i know i'd be willing to up my amount if needed.

Nothing/everything
07-17-2002, 06:12 PM
Everytime i see a new reply on this topic, i click it, hoping for info on setlists.

sarmatianus
07-17-2002, 06:21 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Nothing/everything:
Everytime i see a new reply on this topic, i click it, hoping for info on setlists.</font>

Isn't some of that in the Ebay description?

sarmatianus
07-17-2002, 06:24 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jlo:
Anyone knows who this "vashtrigun" is? Maybe we can bring him to our "good side of the force".

</font>

All you can tell from his Ebay record is that he apparently likes Anime and Transformers.

Nothing/everything
07-17-2002, 06:26 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by sarmatianus:
Isn't some of that in the Ebay description?</font>

Just a couple.

2 hours of acoustic Gish/Pisces/Early SD stuff! Acoustic Silverfuck? Acoustic HKK? Acoustic Bury me?

Richard D. James
07-17-2002, 06:29 PM
News news news!!! Never fear, I have the low-down...Notes/thoughts:

-I just got off the phone with the seller. Stand up guy, real nice. He said he was pleased with where the prices are headed. He also said that these are COPIES of his COPY of the originals.

-I asked him about setlists and he said he watched the whole thing, and out of the first 8 songs, he knew about 3. He said there was A LOT of songs that he didn't know. Don't know how you want to take this...sounds positive to me.

-When I talked to him, he said that he was checking it every day to nix the bids by people that he don't think are going to pay. (Hence the cancelled bids)

-I told him that we had people pooled together for this and he was down with that. He said, and I find this promising, to let people bid the hell out of it, and then we could buy HIS copies that he got from the source. Then the only people with copies would be, the winner of the auction, us, and the source. What do people think about this? Obviously, we would have to pay a little more than the auction price for his copies, but he really doesn't want to screw with more auctions. Start a discussion.........here.

-I asked him about his other stuff, and he said that he really didn't have any Pumpkins stuff (recordings) that he knew of, but he has friends who have a bunch of stuff that he doesn't think are circulated.

-He also agreed to meet me to exchange money and videos.

-He is looking to dump a RIAA Melon Collie 8 million award also, still shrinkwrapped, so if you are interested, let me know.

I need some feedback here people...I am representing you here. I say we don't start talking about payment yet because we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Cool?

Laters,

Greg

Brandont_h
07-17-2002, 06:37 PM
For what it's worth, I think we'd be better off getting the lower gen. I realize there might not be much difference between VHS-2 and VHS-1, but if we're going to go to the trouble of having this thing transferred to DVD and SHN, I would be in favour of doing so with the best possible source.

-Brandon [And I'd be willing to front a little more $$$ if necessary, to get them.]

RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 06:38 PM
!
i think we need to get ahold of these friends of his! i guess a 2nd gen copy is better than no copy at all, but if we can find a way to deal with the source....
i'm still up for this even if we can't deal with the original source.

Halteh
07-17-2002, 06:40 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
-I told him that we had people pooled together for this and he was down with that. He said, and I find this promising, to let people bid the hell out of it, and then we could buy HIS copies that he got from the source. Then the only people with copies would be, the winner of the auction, us, and the source. What do people think about this? Obviously, we would have to pay a little more than the auction price for his copies, but he really doesn't want to screw with more auctions. Start a discussion.........here.
</font>
If there are only minutes left to the auction and both vids are still at a respectable price then we might as well just opt. out for the originals. ie. both vids go for a total of $400, we may as well just offer the man $500 for the originals. Again, lets just hope that the bids don't go to high. Since most of the community is here and in on this I don't see who would really jack the price up, but who knows. *plays the waiting game*


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RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 06:48 PM
and, yes, there is considerable difference between vhs-1 & vhs-2. vhs is an awful format. i don't care how good the vcr is, vhs just doesn't have the resolution to handle multiple gens without suffering serious loss of image quality.

Halteh
07-17-2002, 06:53 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
and, yes, there is considerable difference between vhs-1 & vhs-2. vhs is an awful format. i don't care how good the vcr is, vhs just doesn't have the resolution to handle multiple gens without suffering serious loss of image quality.</font>

The man is correct, VHS gens are apalling!

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Bobbin TB
07-17-2002, 07:12 PM
are we vashtrigun?

RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 07:15 PM
no.
i think we're steamy7.


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starlightvideoproductions
07-17-2002, 07:47 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
and, yes, there is considerable difference between vhs-1 & vhs-2. vhs is an awful format. i don't care how good the vcr is, vhs just doesn't have the resolution to handle multiple gens without suffering serious loss of image quality.</font>

Not if you have SVHS vcrs, but yea, most comsumer vcrs make terrible copies. Hopefully we can get the originals (i.e., VHS-1s) Also, to the person who wants the SHN before the video, I can do both. I'll do the SHN first. Should I EQ it?

RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 07:59 PM
i've used sony professional svhs decks with component out & i still stand by my statement.
anyhow, i would think that a "virgin" audio rip might be preferred by some, so maybe both "virgin" & "sweetened" versions might be made available? any thoughts?

Brandont_h
07-17-2002, 08:12 PM
I think I would be against an EQ job. Period. I don't think two different versions are a good idea. One simple VID-1>DAT>SHN rip with no EQing would be a good idea, methinks. Get it to the people who put money in, and then they can distribute it from there.

My two cents, at least.

-Brandon [I realize two cents canadian is not worth two cents U.S., though.]

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 08:16 PM
you're probably right. EQ'ing is such a matter of personal preference. anyone who wants to EQ it while they're listening to it can do so.

Dead
07-17-2002, 08:38 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
Also, to the person who wants the SHN before the video, I can do both.</font>

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Halteh
07-17-2002, 08:44 PM
NO EQs!! the audio is gonna sound like shit anyways. Did anyone consider EQing 10/31/89? come on now! btw, Bill how do go you from VHS to SHN exactly?

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starlightvideoproductions
07-17-2002, 09:54 PM
JVC SVHS vcr (hifi stereo of course) > monster cables for sound (rca) and video (s-video) > Monster MX-300 soundcard > cool edit pro, then it would be straight to SHN. You guys can EQ and split the tracks however you please! Most of the time, I don't EQ anyways. I have an EQ in my theater, so why bother http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Halteh
07-17-2002, 10:11 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
JVC SVHS vcr (hifi stereo of course) > monster cables for sound (rca) and video (s-video) > Monster MX-300 soundcard > cool edit pro, then it would be straight to SHN. You guys can EQ and split the tracks however you please! Most of the time, I don't EQ anyways. I have an EQ in my theater, so why bother http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif</font>

Normally I wouldn't be so anal, but since this will be going to a lot of people maybe we should consider the running the audio to an analog>digital bit mapping unit (ie. a dat deck) I know that soundcard too, it's by diamond right? i beleive that uses the aureal vortex controller which resamples digital data. So if you take care of the dvd, i can probably take care of the audio. I'm just thinking what would be best, I'm totally open for suggestions here.

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-17-2002, 10:29 PM
starlight,
since we're on the subject, what video equipment are you using for this?

Andrew Fogelsong
07-17-2002, 10:30 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Normally I wouldn't be so anal, but since this will be going to a lot of people maybe we should consider the running the audio to an analog>digital bit mapping unit (ie. a dat deck) I know that soundcard too, it's by diamond right? i beleive that uses the aureal vortex controller which resamples digital data. So if you take care of the dvd, i can probably take care of the audio. I'm just thinking what would be best, I'm totally open for suggestions here.
</font>

Quit being so nice about it Fares. Starlight, just realize that we want a good A>D conversion done for the audio. Although it's not the best possible transfer in the world, we want a VID > DAT > digital soundcard transfer done for the audio. Personally, I couldn't care less about the video.

Andrew
np: Radiohead - Bones (6/18/01)

Halteh
07-17-2002, 10:42 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
Quit being so nice about it Fares. Starlight, just realize that we want a good A>D conversion done for the audio. Although it's not the best possible transfer in the world, we want a VID > DAT > digital soundcard transfer done for the audio. Personally, I couldn't care less about the video.

Andrew
np: Radiohead - Bones (6/18/01)</font>

The man has spoken! Amen...

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starlightvideoproductions
07-17-2002, 11:59 PM
Yea, the soundcard is a Diamond. The video card I use is a Hauppauge Win TV. capping in AVI using the Huffy codec, then converting to mpg. Does someone close to chicago here have a DAT recorder? I just think its not worth the risk of sending such rare videos, you know? Especially in this heat in some areas.

Halteh
07-18-2002, 12:09 AM
Transfer the vid and the audoio for the vid and then give it back to greg, i will take care of the shns from there. don't worry http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-18-2002, 12:16 AM
cool! now all we have to do is win the fuckin' things!

JiLLySP
07-18-2002, 12:25 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by glued_on_wings:
Guys we really need to get this together.. The only person who has really put anything together is this greg guy, but I dont know him from the man in the moon, so i dont so much trust him, no offense. </font>

I just jumped on board here with this thread, so I'm not about to read all seven thousand messages, but just know that Greg's very reputable and a good friend. For what it's worth. I've known him for a couple of years and he's a good, honest guy. The "Steamy7" nickname is not a joke though... HE HAS IT ON HIS LICENSE PLATES!!

MUAHAHAHAHA.

DORK!

But yeah, early videos. Cool find and props to you all.

-Jill



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Fonzie
07-18-2002, 12:43 AM
This is one cocksmokin' post, yo.

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-18-2002, 12:51 AM
i'd really like to know who vashtrigun is....

Dead
07-18-2002, 12:52 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Transfer the vid and the audoio for the vid and then give it back to greg, i will take care of the shns from there. don't worry http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

</font>

If you're really interested in the best quality, do the DAT transfer first and have starlite use that audio for the DVD. Especially since he doesn't plan to encode it (the audio) further.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-18-2002, 01:06 AM
although that's a good idea, it might be better to encode video and audio from the same source at the same time. that would avoid any synch issues. different tape decks play at slightly different speeds, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to end up with audio that matches the video less & less as the show goes on.

Halteh
07-18-2002, 01:08 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
If you're really interested in the best quality, do the DAT transfer first and have starlite use that audio for the DVD. Especially since he doesn't plan to encode it (the audio) further.</font>

Might just end up being to much work for too little, I don't expect these to sound that great. But I'd be more than happy to send starlight teh raw shn when i am done.

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Dead
07-18-2002, 01:34 AM
In my opinion, the tapes should be sent to Fares first for a speedy and superior audio transfer and then sent on for any further DVDing. That way the audio gets out to the contributors quicker, and if the DVDer wants to use the dat source he has that option. That may have been the plan already, but I know some previous posts mentioned giving the tapes to starlite first.<font color="black" size="1">

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theman1343
07-18-2002, 04:25 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
In my opinion, the tapes should be sent to Fares first for a speedy and superior audio transfer and then sent on for any further DVDing. That way the audio gets out to the contributors quicker, and if the DVDer wants to use the dat source he has that option. That may have been the plan already, but I know some previous posts mentioned giving the tapes to starlite first.<font color="black" size="1">

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Smiley
07-18-2002, 05:25 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
Although it's not the best possible transfer in the world, we want a VID > DAT > digital soundcard transfer done for the audio. Personally, I couldn't care less about the video. </font>

Why doesn't anybody care about videos? I'll never understand this. Everybody wants to listen to SP shows in the best possible digital quality, but nobody seems to be interested in seeing those same shows that they listen to. The Pumpkins were a great live band, and the visuals were a part of that... put on Vieuphoria and see what you've been missing!

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Sebastian
07-18-2002, 05:38 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
Why doesn't anybody care about videos? I'll never understand this.</font>

For a long time I was not interested in trading videos because VHS is such a crappy and lossy format. Plus, I can't copy NTSC tapes.
Now, with the possibility of DVD (and digital video) this has changed. There's no generational loss anymore and everybody with a DVD burner can watch and copy NTSC and PAL discs. The only problem is the lossyness of the DVD's MPEG2 format, but it's really not that bad if encoded properly (at least for my eyes).

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Brandont_h
07-18-2002, 08:59 AM
I alluded to it earlier, and I'll reiterate here to agree with Sean. I think that the audio transfer should be done first so that those who are contributing money to this cause aren't left empty handed for months on end wondering exactly what they paid for. Then worry about the DVD transfer.

-Brandon [is only slightly self interested here. heh.]

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Richard D. James
07-18-2002, 10:01 AM
Hey everyone. Just wanted to let you all know that I am going to be out of town from Friday till Sunday. Going back to the ole' IU. A couple of notes/thoughts:

-I am 99% sure that I am going to let someone win the auction and then buy the masters from the seller. Might as well get the better copy now if possible. So we should hope that the auction doesn't end up going for that much, because that probably would cost us less in the long run. If for some reason the auction is being won by CDKLKTR, don't out bid him! He is a friend of mine. I don't think he will bid, but if he does, let him.

-I am also leaning towards sending these tapes to Fares for the audio transfer first, so we can at least get the audio out quick, and then starlight can take as long as he needs on the video.

-I do expect the audio on these to be pretty decent for the time since the source was probably using the BEST possible taping equipment at the time. I don't expect any shaky camera or distorted sound.

-I am pretty sure we have enough money for this, and I hope that I have written everyone back, so for now, please, no more emails for contributions. If we need extra cash later down the line, I will let you know.

Well, I don't know if I will post before I leave, and if I don't, everyone have a nice weekend and get strapped in for Phase II-the distribution.

-Greg

glued_on_wings
07-18-2002, 10:13 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
Hey everyone. Just wanted to let you all know that I am going to be out of town from Friday till Sunday. Going back to the ole' IU. A couple of notes/thoughts:

-I am 99% sure that I am going to let someone win the auction and then buy the masters from the seller. Might as well get the better copy now if possible. So we should hope that the auction doesn't end up going for that much, because that probably would cost us less in the long run. If for some reason the auction is being won by CDKLKTR, don't out bid him! He is a friend of mine. I don't think he will bid, but if he does, let him.

-I am also leaning towards sending these tapes to Fares for the audio transfer first, so we can at least get the audio out quick, and then starlight can take as long as he needs on the video.

-I do expect the audio on these to be pretty decent for the time since the source was probably using the BEST possible taping equipment at the time. I don't expect any shaky camera or distorted sound.

-I am pretty sure we have enough money for this, and I hope that I have written everyone back, so for now, please, no more emails for contributions. If we need extra cash later down the line, I will let you know.

Well, I don't know if I will post before I leave, and if I don't, everyone have a nice weekend and get strapped in for Phase II-the distribution.

-Greg</font>


Farewell.. Thanks for putting this together for us. And good idea about going straight for the masters..

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Zerospaced
07-18-2002, 12:25 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Sebastian:
The only problem is the lossyness of the DVD's MPEG2 format, but it's really not that bad if encoded properly (at least for my eyes).</font>

I'm a N00B when it comes to DVD burners and whatnot so if this is a dumb question just say so. Couldn't you just take a program like clone cd and copy the DVD that way without quality loss?

Brian

starlightvideoproductions
07-18-2002, 12:28 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
Why does anybody care about videos? </font>

People like videos so they can SEE what is happening. I really don't see what is so complicated about that. I understand people used to not trade videos to often because of the very quick quality loss. But with digital video formats (talking about DVDs, digital-8, DV, MiniDV, NOT (s)vcds), the source is high quality, and remains high quality.

Also, on the DAT transfer, I would definately try to use the DAT transferred audio. BUT, only if it is transferred in 48 khtz, otherwise it would be pointless to use 44 khtz.

It also won't take months for the video transfer http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif Reason it is taking so long on 7-15 is mainly equiptment failure. On my 3rd capture board, and had to restore my computer I think 4 times! Anyways, enough about that, lets bring this thread into 200 posts!



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starlightvideoproductions
07-18-2002, 12:31 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Zerospaced:
I'm a N00B when it comes to DVD burners and whatnot so if this is a dumb question just say so. Couldn't you just take a program like clone cd and copy the DVD that way without quality loss?

Brian

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MPEG2 is compressed. If you look at cheap-o dvds, you can see whats hes talking about with sub-par transfers. But, if you take the extra time, like I do, the videos come out looking very good!

Dead
07-18-2002, 12:53 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
with digital video formats (talking about DVDs, digital-8, DV, MiniDV, NOT (s)vcds), the source is high quality, and remains high quality.</font>

Don't forget the fact that the DVD can only be as good as the source, same as decoding an mp3 to wave will not bring back any lost data/quality. It is true that any DVD duplicating would theoretically be lossless. Yippee!

starlightvideoproductions
07-18-2002, 01:03 PM
True true, d-8 and dv is not as compressed as DVD, but they also don't have menues and stuff like that http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Dead
07-18-2002, 01:15 PM
I'm not interested in menus, and I was not advocating d-8 or dv. I'm just saying that taking a VHS source to 720x480 resolution is only stretching the image and potentially making the crappiness of the source that much more noticeable. I look forward to seeing the results. If you could get a dvd to look exactly like the original VHS and no worse, that would be an accomplishment.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-18-2002, 01:16 PM
?
i don't know about d8, but dv uses a 5:1 compression. dvd's can use video compressed less than that (around 3:1).
and you don't "stretch" an image to 720x480. it would be captured at that size. if he's using the huffy codec, there should be no noticeable loss in quality at all.

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Snail*
07-18-2002, 02:29 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
Why doesn't anybody care about videos? </font>

I find that I just don't have time to watch videos anymore - sitting in front of the TV for 2 hours. With audio, I can just let it play while I'm working on other stuff.

But, that being said, I still want the videos!! If I have a choice between VHS or VHS audio > CD-R, I'll always take the video.

Dead
07-18-2002, 05:19 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
[Byou don't "stretch" an image to 720x480. it would be captured at that size.[/B]</font>

And how is it captured at that size when the source material is more like 352x240 (somewhere around there, slightly less I think)?! BY STRETCHING! The source is much lower than 720x480. Therefore you are just duplicating data to achieve the 720x480 resolution. This is what I was referring to by 'stretching'.

starlightvideoproductions
07-18-2002, 05:52 PM
Yes dead, NTSC is in a 4 to 3 ratio, meaning the actual resolution is 640x480. When it is 720x480 you are definately stretching it.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-18-2002, 06:02 PM
no.
i edit on an avid media composer & avid mc xpress, both of which capture ALL video at 720x486. no stretching. any professional-grade editing machine will capture video at this size. the only capture cards limited to 640x480 are consumer or prosumer grade, not professional grade. d1 ntsc video is 720x486.


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Dead
07-18-2002, 07:55 PM
Dammit you guys don't get what I'm saying. A VHS tape does not store the image at 640x480 or 720x480. Its much lower.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-18-2002, 09:36 PM
no.
if you take a pristine 35mm film shot & capture it at 320x240, then display it full screen on an NTSC monitor, it will not look remotely like vhs. it will look much, much worse. if you capture vhs at 720x486, it will look more than twice as sharp as if you'd captured it at 320x240. & it will look considerably better than if it were captured at 640x480. since NTSC video uses interlaced fields instead of frames, it actually appears to have twice the numeric resolution (240 vertical lines per screen in vhs' case) per frame than it would initially seem. digital terminologies don't always apply in the same ways when describing analog formats.
i have 15 years experience in television, half of those as a video editor with multiple addy, telly, omni & associated press awards. i have a little knowledge about these things.

Slurpee
07-18-2002, 09:41 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:

i have 15 years experience in television, half of those as a video editor with multiple addy, telly, omni & associated press awards. i have a little knowledge about these things.</font>

Winner is you.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-18-2002, 11:09 PM
with all of that being said, i have to say that i do NOT know a lot about dvd authoring. i farm that sort of work out to people who know a lot more about it than i do. i can only presume that starlite knows his shit when it comes to the dvd end of things. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Rens
07-19-2002, 12:27 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by StillBecomingApart:
I will win those auctions and I will trade them only for MP, Avalon or Machina 2 Digital.

LOL

</font>

Stole my joke!

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Dead
07-19-2002, 12:54 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
i have 15 years experience in television, half of those as a video editor with multiple addy, telly, omni & associated press awards. i have a little knowledge about these things.</font>

http://www.latent.org/images/interesting.jpg

RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 01:22 AM
just proving a point, dood. if pzane or halteh or someone like that corrects me about something audio-related, i take it as fact, because they have way more experience with it than i do. i was correcting an erroneous statement you made. then, you seemed to insist that you were right & that i didn't know what the fuck i was talking about. i've worked hard to earn my knowledge & expertise. i did it by spending more time listening & learning, and less time being a know-it-all dick. the purpose of that bit of boasting was to let you know that you had no idea what you were talking about without being rude about it. so, how's this: you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. better? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 01:34 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Zerospaced:
I'm a N00B when it comes to DVD burners and whatnot so if this is a dumb question just say so. Couldn't you just take a program like clone cd and copy the DVD that way without quality loss?

Brian

</font>

i meant to respond to this earlier. yes, you can "clone" a dvd much like a cd without quality loss. i wasn't sure if starlight already answered this for you or not.

sarmatianus
07-19-2002, 02:31 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
just proving a point, dood. if pzane or halteh or someone like that corrects me about something audio-related, i take it as fact, because they have way more experience with it than i do. i was correcting an erroneous statement you made. then, you seemed to insist that you were right & that i didn't know what the fuck i was talking about. i've worked hard to earn my knowledge & expertise. i did it by spending more time listening & learning, and less time being a know-it-all dick. the purpose of that bit of boasting was to let you know that you had no idea what you were talking about without being rude about it. so, how's this: you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. better? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by RumoredToTheS&N (edited 07-19-2002).]</font>

Oh man. I better get my binoculors ready to watch this.

Dead
07-19-2002, 02:35 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
</font>

I still stand by the fact that a VHS tape does not have a resolution of 640x480 or 720x480. That is the info I was basing my statements on. If you know better, then congratulations. You're smarter and cooler than me.

And I wasn't being a know-it-all dick, although you're acting like one now.

sarmatianus
07-19-2002, 02:42 AM
Rumored's right, though, that the analog resolutions are not directly correlative to digital ones. So that should resolve that debate, me hopes.

Dead
07-19-2002, 02:56 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by sarmatianus:
Rumored's right, though, that the analog resolutions are not directly correlative to digital ones. So that should resolve that debate, me hopes.</font>

That kinda makes sense actually. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 03:10 AM
dead
perhaps i was a little harsh. i wasn't trying to come across as a know-it-all, i was just trying to show that i wasn't just blowing smoke out of my ass. you must understand, when pzane or halteh or quinto or any of those guys makes a statement about what they know, most folks listen because we all hear the extent of their knowledge in the dozens of shows they've taped, transferred, edited, etc. i realize that nobody here has any reason to trust my knowledge based simply on my word, since most of you have never seen anything i've done. i really have dedicated myself to what i do & i'm very proud of my ability & my accomplishments, so when somebody acts as if what i've done is worth their ridicule, i tend to get defensive. that was stupid on my part & i apologize for being so rude. i'm sure you were just trying to get a laugh, & you probably did from some folks, but i tend to take things like that more personally than i should. the whole topic concerning these "lost" videos is pretty exciting for a lot of people & i shouldn't have allowed my pride to bring negative tension to this whole thing. sorry.


i'm still right, though. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Sebastian
07-19-2002, 04:35 AM
Just to make a few things clear... VHS has a lower resolution than broadcast TV signals. Here's a list of resolutions for the PAL world (sorry, I don't know too much about NTSC):

VHS(-C): 576x240
Analog TV: 576x330 or 576x360
S-VHS(-C)/Hi8: 576x400 or 576x420

VCD: 288x200 lines = 288x352 pixels
Digital8/DV: 576x500 lines = 576x720 pixels
DVD: 576x550 lines = 576x720 pixels

So, even if a VHS tape is captured in a stretched resolution, it should be automatically un-stretched when played back on a TV and look like the original, right?

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Dead
07-19-2002, 04:39 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif</font>

That's ok, I didn't intend to ridicule you at any point but whatever.. Can't we all just get along? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

DeadOpera
07-19-2002, 11:11 AM
for the one auction (video one)
shouldn't the bid price be at $9.99 still?
ebayer dj2039's bid was cancelled cuz he had no feedback. but i still know what the max bid is.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 02:15 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Sebastian:
So, even if a VHS tape is captured in a stretched resolution, it should be automatically un-stretched when played back on a TV and look like the original, right?

</font>

sort of. but what you have to keep in mind is that when you play a vhs tape, the OUTPUT of that vhs deck is broadcast resolution (though NOT broadcast quality). otherwise, your tv would play a little picture of video inside a thick black frame, like letterboxing. basically, all vhs vcrs, ntsc or pal, record information at 240 lines. the vcr then converts that image to an ntsc or pal signal before outputting it. so the output of a pal vcr is 576x330 (or 360), even if some of those pixels have redundant images due to the "stretching" from 240 lines to 330 (or 360). for ntsc, even though a vcr records information on 240 lines, it's output is 720x486. so when you record a tv show, then play it back, it has a little more than half the CLARITY of the original broadcast, though technically the image you're watching has the same RESOLUTION as the original. the vcr itself is "stretching" the image to make it playable on a tv screen.
in my own ham-handed way, that's kind of the point i was trying to make earlier. once the image is played from the vcr, no "stretching" is necessary. it's already been converted to an ntsc signal.

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 02:24 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by DeadOpera:
for the one auction (video one)
shouldn't the bid price be at $9.99 still?
ebayer dj2039's bid was cancelled cuz he had no feedback. but i still know what the max bid is. </font>

i still see dj2039's bid on the bid history of tape 1, although vashtrigun's bids are gone now.



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thestreetsarehot2night
07-19-2002, 03:13 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
, and less time being a know-it-all dick.

]</font>


OOOO get you, you bitch http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif


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Dead
07-19-2002, 03:33 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
in my own ham-handed way, that's kind of the point i was trying to make earlier. once the image is played from the vcr, no "stretching" is necessary. it's already been converted to an ntsc signal.
</font>

I get you now. Encoding it at a lower res would be like the VCR 'stretching' it and then you shrinking it again. And then playing it back, it'd be stretched back to 720x486 AGAIN. Whole lot of streching going on.

I had encoded a 720x480 VHS cap from a commercial promo tape into 720x480 DVD format and the higher res made the VHS artifacts more noticeable, and the horizontal line-iness was more apparent, so that's why I was doubting the notion of making DVDs from VHS and them looking good. I wasn't being some know-it-all that had no experience whatsoever, I was talking from my personal experience. I mess around with mpeg encoding a lot, though you seem to know more about that video stuff than me http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

The raw avi cap actually looks very good but that didn't translate too well into the mpeg format even with such a massive bitrate. I guess I could always give it another shot.

<a href="http://members.rogers.com/deadhero/BSN/index.html">Check out some screen shots</a>

BillyPilgrim
07-19-2002, 03:38 PM
Man you guys are nerds, and I mean even by pumpkin community standards. I 'll let you guys bicker and just wait for the dvds and cd's.

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Andrew Fogelsong
07-19-2002, 04:28 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by BillyPilgrim:
Man you guys are nerds, and I mean even by pumpkin community standards. </font>

Funny you never realized our full potential. I'm sure this could be argued for weeks. It's all very interesting.

BillyPilgrim
07-19-2002, 04:41 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
Funny you never realized our full potential. I'm sure this could be argued for weeks. It's all very interesting.</font>
Of course you're right, but when this thread reaches 10 pages, the evidence will say it all. I never knew video capturing had different various factions and people were so passionate about it. Argue on!

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 05:01 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by BillyPilgrim:
Man you guys are nerds, and I mean even by pumpkin community standards.

</font>

http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

i'm glad we at least provided some sort of weird entertainment for everyone. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

okay, i'm done ranting.

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 05:05 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
I get you now. Encoding it at a lower res would be like the VCR 'stretching' it and then you shrinking it again. And then playing it back, it'd be stretched back to 720x486 AGAIN. Whole lot of streching going on.
</font>

besides, my work here is done. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

nerd.

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Dead
07-19-2002, 05:38 PM
I was right originally because there is a lot of stretching happening and you kept saying there wasn't any. Suck on that!

RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 05:44 PM
okay, i'll grant you that. my main argument was concerning the resolutions you were talking about. but your "stretching" thingee was right.

sort of. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

RumoredToTheS&N
07-19-2002, 06:06 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
The raw avi cap actually looks very good but that didn't translate too well into the mpeg format even with such a massive bitrate. I guess I could always give it another shot.

<a href="http://members.rogers.com/deadhero/BSN/index.html">Check out some screen shots</a>[/B]</font>

those screen shots look about right. the lines you see on some frames is actually more of a symptom of ntsc than vhs. for instance, the first shot of the close-up face. those lines on the forehead are the result of the two interlaced fields making up that frame being off just a bit due to movement of the subject. if you took that shot into photoshop & de-interlace it, those lines will go away. when the video is playing, though, you really shouldn't be able to see them, unless the field order was reversed somewhere along the way (although that seems unlikely). unfortunately, that's kind of the price of vhs. it's so streaky & blurry to begin with, when it gets compressed into something like an mpeg, it just looks like shit.
your dvd shouldn't look much worse than the original vhs on a normal tv set. have you played them back to back on the same set for comparison? if those lines don't smooth out when it's playing, there's a good chance you encoded only a single field (or captured a single field, but you said the avi looked good). if you have something like after effects, you can take the original avi & interpret it into frames rather than fields. that might clear it up.

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sarasvati
07-20-2002, 12:30 AM
Both auctions have been cancelled....

theman1343
07-20-2002, 12:46 AM
WHAAAAAAT!!!

darcy_is_sexy
07-20-2002, 01:11 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by sarasvati:
Both auctions have been cancelled....</font>

It's possible that there will still be an off-ebay sale. We need to wait for Greg before we make any judgements.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-20-2002, 02:07 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by **********:
WHAAAAAAT!!!</font>

ChoobieWoobie
07-20-2002, 03:55 AM
That was a good debate guys. keep the place rockn' hard. l0l

The Gaddrow
07-20-2002, 08:28 AM
WTF?

Certainly a strange turn of events.

Did you notice the bid history? Strange, very strange. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

Brandont_h
07-20-2002, 10:05 AM
Hmm. . . I kinda had a feeling something like this was going to happen. Hopefully something can still be worked out. I'd hate for the videos to not get out now.

-Brandon


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RumoredToTheS&N
07-20-2002, 12:22 PM
jeez. i just read the bid history. i was under the impression that the seller was cool with this collaborative effort. what the hell happened?
check it out:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=1549849980

http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

sarasvati
07-20-2002, 01:11 PM
Hmmm. But, you never know, that could just be the seller's excuse to end the auction early, and he could very well be setting up a deal with us. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

btw, Brandon, nice sig http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

Halteh
07-20-2002, 02:29 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by sarasvati:
Hmmm. But, you never know, that could just be the seller's excuse to end the auction early, and he could very well be setting up a deal with us. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

btw, Brandon, nice sig http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif</font>

I doubt that's the case, I think Greg should have never mentioned anything to the seller saying he was associated with any of this pooling/netphoria/online thing. I mean you gotta see it through the sellers eyes, essentially we are doing nothing more than subtracting the demand for the auction.


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sarasvati
07-20-2002, 02:54 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
I doubt that's the case, I think Greg should have never mentioned anything to the seller saying he was associated with any of this pooling/netphoria/online thing. I mean you gotta see it through the sellers eyes, essentially we are doing nothing more than subtracting the demand for the auction.

</font>

Very true. I agree with you. I guess I was just trying to be..optimistic about the whole thing. I guess we won't know the full story until we hear from Greg, though.

-******

temporary
07-20-2002, 03:12 PM
just a bunch of selfish dipshits, as it's always been with online deals. it's no surprise this happened.

Richard D. James
07-20-2002, 05:48 PM
Hey everyone...greetings from Bloomington! Well here are some disturbing notes and thoughts:

-I don't know what happened, but I haven't checked my email since Thursday and I have about 4 messages from the seller and all sorts of cancellation notices from Ebay. It seems that the seller has been getting very nasty emails from people reading this thread about how he is a jerk for selling the masters. Well, after that is all said and done, the seller is super pissed and thinks that I am trying to dupe him. I am trying to get the lowest possible price for us, but giving him a fair/market price for these videos. I wrote him back explaining what I thought we had agreed on, and we will see what happens. He said that people were offering him trades and bids outside the process. It looks like that people in the community are shooting the community in the foot. I am hoping he will sit tight till I get back to Chicago and talk to him.

-The seller was awfully pissed and, at this point, doesn't care if these get circulated or not.

-The seller is pissed.
-The seller is mad.
-It is looking bad.
-The seller is pissed.

-I thought that this would work out, but hopefully I will be able to talk to him on Sunday. What this means for everyone is probably more cash to make him happy.

-I will keep you posted.

Regards,

Greg

P.S. The seller is pissed.

Halteh
07-20-2002, 05:52 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:


P.S. The seller is pissed.</font>

hmm.....sounds to me like the seller is pissed.

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Nothing/everything
07-20-2002, 05:55 PM
So......he's pissed?

Brandont_h
07-20-2002, 05:57 PM
Y'know Fares, for some reason I am really getting the same feeling. It's sorta like. . . the seller: I think he's really pissed or something. I can't *imagine* why.

-Brandon [fingers crossed, and breath held]

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thestreetsarehot2night
07-20-2002, 05:59 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
hmm.....sounds to me like the seller is pissed.

</font>

I dontknow, maybe not very happy.

And well done to the morons who seem to want to screw things up so badly
what was wrong with letting the people who we agreed on and trust who know the most about this to deal with it.



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dross and glass
07-20-2002, 06:00 PM
pissed.... sell the frign video.

I'm just mad.

starlightvideoproductions
07-20-2002, 08:06 PM
Just offer him a generous amount for both video.

Pmack
07-21-2002, 12:05 AM
Bleh. The real problem is that you had a 200+ post public discussion about the best way to get this item cheaply and distribute it everywhere fast. If you were serious about getting the videos, you would have gotten 5 people to put up $100 each and bought the masters from the guy within two days of them being listed on eBay. You would have wanted to to that so you could grab the videos before the seller actually realized what the demand was going to be. If a seller thinks his video is going to sell for $100 and you offer him $500, he won't hesitate to sell it to you.

Instead, you chumps walked the bid up for days and days, and every fucking post in this thread was one more clue to the seller that there was great demand for the videos.

You clowns are lucky I'm not still in the game, because those videos would be on my shelf right now and this 200+ post thread would be about how I'm a hoarding motherfucker.

- Dave

Zerospaced
07-21-2002, 12:52 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">You clowns are lucky I'm not still in the game, because those videos would be on my shelf right now and this 200+ post thread would be about how I'm a hoarding motherfucker. - Dave[/B]</font>

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Halteh
07-21-2002, 01:05 AM
lol. If i cared that much I would have taken more serious action as you suggest. Fact is I wouldn't personally given up more than $40 for the vids, I would have rather made an attempt to just get these for cheap. This might have to do with the fact that i'm broke though.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Pmack:
You clowns are lucky I'm not still in the game</font>

good, now send me your analogs http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

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Andrew Fogelsong
07-21-2002, 01:29 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
good, now send me your analogs http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif
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Me too, and those 10/29/96 and 1/18/97 anaM transfers.

temporary
07-21-2002, 04:17 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Pmack:

You clowns are lucky I'm not still in the game, because those videos would be on my shelf right now and this 200+ post thread would be about how I'm a hoarding motherfucker.

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more or less of a fat ass loser who plays holier than thou online, of which none of these geeks have the balls to speak up to because "he knows billy".


[This message has been edited by temporary (edited 07-21-2002).]

Jason Smith
07-21-2002, 04:22 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by temporary:

more or less of a fat ass loser who plays holier than thou online, of which none of these geeks have the balls to speak up to because "he knows billy".
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Stop or you'll hurt Dave's feelings.



[This message has been edited by Jason Smith (edited 07-21-2002).]

Richard D. James
07-21-2002, 06:50 PM
*sigh*

-Well I am talking to the seller tomorrow. It is perhaps looking bad.

-Dave, I know how you have been down this road before, and the guy who is selling them DOES know how much they are worth, so we will never know if you could have them on your shelf. At least they would be on SOMEONE's shelf.

-Think of it from the sellers view. Your going to have two tapes on Ebay going for X. Someone is willing to buy your masters for Y. People start mailing you and cancelling bids. You have now lost X. Looks like it is going to take X+Y to get these tapes.

Tired...more later?

Greg

Halteh
07-21-2002, 06:57 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by temporary:

more or less of a fat ass loser who plays holier than thou online, of which none of these geeks have the balls to speak up to because "he knows billy".


[This message has been edited by temporary (edited 07-21-2002).]</font>

Have you ever entertained the idea that it might have to do with him actually doing stuff for us geeks as well? ie. giving us dats of shows like 12/18/96 that won't ever be circulated because of asshole pricks like you. How about everytime you look up a show on the spfc tour history?

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darcy_is_sexy
07-21-2002, 08:40 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Have you ever entertained the idea that it might have to do with him actually doing stuff for us geeks as well? ie. giving us dats of shows like 12/18/96 that won't ever be circulated because of asshole pricks like you. How about everytime you look up a show on the spfc tour history?

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You tell him, Fares. Based on what people have said, and documents I've seen (especially the SPFC), D4 has been in the "scene" for years, working hard to dig up recordings and transform the scene into what it is today. Head over to http://www.suicidekiss.org and see some of the old documents that reflect what he did. He's done more than just know Billy, he's EARNED his way up to the top. You know why he has Avalon and MP? He worked hard.

sweet17
07-21-2002, 09:28 PM
it's all the H04RD3R propaganda that's gotten to the newbies. they don't know how this community was founded, and don't understand the signifigance of the old school fans.

even if you don't agree with every decision D4's ever made, you have to respect the guy and be thankful for everything else he HAS done.

Andrew Fogelsong
07-22-2002, 02:07 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by sweet17:
it's all the H04RD3R propaganda that's gotten to the newbies. they don't know how this community was founded, and don't understand the signifigance of the old school fans.</font>

This community started getting good when the few in power started asking nice for a change. There are still people who get pissed off at the big guys, due to jealousy and the childish mentality of "I want it now." No matter how many b&p's I offer, how many gigs of shows that I taped that I upload on the Hub or how helpful I try to be, there are still people who take little cheap shots at me for no reason. It's not my fault you didn't get involved in the trading scene earlier than you did. I can't help the fact that you didn't tape any shows. I'm not saying I completely earned my way. I received a lot of help from Asselin, Fresko, Roth, PJ and Fares.

somehow this post didn't turn out quite how I wanted... oh well.

Andrew
np: Her Space Holiday - Key Stroke

RumoredToTheS&N
07-22-2002, 04:34 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
shows like 12/18/96 that won't ever be circulated because of asshole pricks like you.

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just out of curiousity, why would any show not be circulated because of asshole pricks like __________ *fill in the blank*?

Brandont_h
07-22-2002, 10:03 AM
I don't mean to speak for Fares here. . . But if I've done a lot of research, and made a lot of contacts in order to find a show that no one else has, and then people slander me, use me and abuse me, what is my motivation to turn around and give those same people something that *I* worked so hard to obtain?

Frankly, I'd keep it to myself and a few close friends, and let everyone else suffer.

-Brandon [But I have nothing worth keeping to myself, and no one really knows me, so. . .]

glued_on_wings
07-22-2002, 10:14 AM
Well i was gone fore two days, and i come back and find this mess. I wish i had saved my IM coversation with a certain some one on friday. Im almost postaive he was one of the ass holes that ruined it for us. Becuase basically he told us that we didnt deserve the tapes and we should stop bidding so he can win them and use them to trade for a copy of the 99.04.23 vid.. What a fucker..

Rock ON..

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klon21
07-22-2002, 10:39 AM
glued, who is this guy?

This is SAD. I believe next time i find some uncirculated show on ebay, i will bid for it by myself, and never start a thread like this. Unfortunately there are always stupid people... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

The Gaddrow
07-22-2002, 10:56 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Brandont_h:
I don't mean to speak for Fares here. . . But if I've done a lot of research, and made a lot of contacts in order to find a show that no one else has, and then people slander me, use me and abuse me, what is my motivation to turn around and give those same people something that *I* worked so hard to obtain?

Frankly, I'd keep it to myself and a few close friends, and let everyone else suffer.

-Brandon [But I have nothing worth keeping to myself, and no one really knows me, so. . .]</font> Well said.

glued_on_wings
07-22-2002, 11:15 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by klon21:

glued, who is this guy?

This is SAD. I believe next time i find some uncirculated show on ebay, i will bid for it by myself, and never start a thread like this. Unfortunately there are always stupid people... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif</font>


Id prefere to keep him anymous. Some of the people posting in this thread know who im talking about, but i told him that if we won these videos we would do what we wanted to do with them. But who knows waht will happen now.

Rock on..


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-We will miss you!! The Smashing Pumpkins (1988-2000) -
Sad Machines Audio Archive (http://www.crosswinds.net/~sadmachines)
Glued On Wings FTP (ftp://smashing:pumpkins@sadmachines.d2g.com)

wounded
07-22-2002, 12:21 PM
speaking of 4/23/99. what is up with that.

SHAUNNAS DAD!
07-22-2002, 01:29 PM
I did some investigative ebay work and learned that dj2039 was none other than Dave Holland, aka takenbyallie aka Sacred Age of Innocense.

Not sure if he did any emailing around. I only know this cos I have a close contact in ebay. I shouldn't even be posting that, but yes these are an unfortunate turn of events.

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sarasvati
07-22-2002, 01:36 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Brandont_h:

-Brandon [But I have nothing worth keeping to myself, and no one really knows me, so. . .]</font>

i know you. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Brandont_h
07-22-2002, 02:46 PM
Yes babe, of course we know each other. hehe I was actually referring to the community on a larger scale when I posted that. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

-Brandon [Other than ******, and a few others, no one really knows me. How's that?]

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Suicide Machine
07-22-2002, 03:22 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by wounded:
speaking of 4/23/99. what is up with that.</font>

People get married and have a life outside of the community. I doubt he would even trade it for these, considering the massive list he has.

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BillyPilgrim
07-22-2002, 04:00 PM
Rip into the "leet" guys all you want, but without them I'd just listen to a few Sacred and Profane shows, 8/4/98 and 1/8/97 and that would be about it. Without them this community would be like most others, an analog taped show here, and a md taped show there with a few commercial boots and DAT sourced shows. The mistake here was not offering the guy big bucks for the masters a day after the auction started, ever wonder how collectspumpkins gets so much cool shit? I've gotten 3-4 b+p's directly from andrew (a couple weren't offers but me emailing him), and fares has transfered shit I never thought of getting then he spread it. don't rip the "leet" guys, especially not asselin and others that are out of the community because they've moved on. sorry for the essay,
pat

sarasvati
07-22-2002, 04:14 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Brandont_h:
Yes babe, of course we know each other. hehe I was actually referring to the community on a larger scale when I posted that. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

-Brandon [Other than ******, and a few others, no one really knows me. How's that?]

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That's much better, hehe.

SP33
07-22-2002, 04:27 PM
I agree with Pat. I haven't dealt with too many 'leet' guys, but thanks to Ben and Jason for helping me with my collection.

And a few soon to be leet people... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

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Virex_Gaze6
07-22-2002, 05:33 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by SP33:
I agree with Pat.

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RumoredToTheS&N
07-22-2002, 05:36 PM
i only have this to say about people who want to bust asselin's balls. first off, the people who do this are usually people who personally know asselin about as well as i do. which is not at all. yeah, i've read his posts & he seems like...well, he doesn't seem like the friendliest fellow around ("chumps"? "clowns"? wtf?). so if you want to bust his chops for being an anti-social butthead, or whatever, fine. but i figured out a long time ago that complaining to him for not sharing MP or avalon is about like bawling out your neighbor for not letting you borrow his lawnmower. why? because it's not your shit! let's say, for the sake of argument, that billy gave him those cd's & said "give a copy of this to everyone you meet!". guess what. he's still not obligated to do so. why? because it's now dave's shit! he's not obligated to do anything with it other than what he damn well pleases. if he choses to use the MP cd's as drink coasters, so be it. it's not like he's drawing a mustache on the mona lisa. but, he choses to do what billy asked him to do. good for him. people say that you shouldn't be shitty to dave concerning hoarded shit because of all the cool things he's done in the past. forget that. you shouldn't be shitty to dave concerning hoarded shit because it's none of your business. i've got all sorts of things that asselin doesn't have. granted none of it's sp stuff, nor would he really be interested in any of it, but again, for the sake of argument, let's say he shows up on my doorstep demanding a photocopy of a $500 art book i have. what, am i just supposed to say, "sure, whoever you are! here you go! relish the fruits of my labor, even though i don't know you from adam."? not likely.
if billy really wants us all to hear all of that shit, we'll hear it. i think we all learned a couple of years ago that billy knows damn well how to distribute an album on the internet. besides, a good chunk of mp is already out there and the vast number of songs that aren't in wide release are just different versions of songs we already have. be grateful for the THOUSANDS of sp songs that are in circulation. don't worry about the 50 or so that aren't.
am i right? of course i am.
i'm always right.
even when i'm wrong.
just ask Dead. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by RumoredToTheS&N (edited 07-22-2002).]

RumoredToTheS&N
07-22-2002, 05:44 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Brandont_h:
I don't mean to speak for Fares here. . . But if I've done a lot of research, and made a lot of contacts in order to find a show that no one else has, and then people slander me, use me and abuse me, what is my motivation to turn around and give those same people something that *I* worked so hard to obtain?

Frankly, I'd keep it to myself and a few close friends, and let everyone else suffer.

-Brandon [But I have nothing worth keeping to myself, and no one really knows me, so. . .]</font>


i can see you're point, but it seems like you'd be punishing everyone for the mistakes of a few dumbasses. but it would certainly be your right to do so.

Dead
07-22-2002, 07:54 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
i'm always right.
even when i'm wrong.
just ask Dead. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif
</font>

Yeah, you're right to suck up to Dave Asselin. I'm not saying you're wrong, I would generally agree, but that was a major butt kiss. I don't think he needs to be defended so vigorously, he's big and strong. Am I right? Of course, I'm always right. (I didn't spend 30 minutes writing this so sorry if I made any mistakes.)

RumoredToTheS&N
07-22-2002, 08:01 PM
i think you may have missed the point. i could give a shit about asselin or what he has. i don't know him. probably never will. i've never dealt with him. probably never will. i wasn't defending asselin at all. he has no problem speaking for himself. but it pisses me off to hear people talking about how entitled they are to everything. that's all.
which part was the butt kiss? the part where i called him an "anti-social butthead"? yeah, that'll put me on his buddy list.

The Boy Who Really Needs
07-22-2002, 08:03 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
even though i don't know you from adam."? not likely.</font>

who's adam?


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RumoredToTheS&N
07-22-2002, 08:10 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by The Boy Who Really Needs:
who's adam?


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i dunno.

RumoredToTheS&N
07-22-2002, 08:42 PM
okay, the adam thing was a little obscure. it's just an old phrase referring to the biblical adam. if you don't know someone, you "don't know them from adam."


yeah, i know. i'm a nerd. sue me.

theman1343
07-22-2002, 08:42 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by The Boy Who Really Needs:
who's adam?


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Why I am of course.


Adam

severin
07-23-2002, 02:07 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
okay, the adam thing was a little obscure. it's just an old phrase referring to the biblical adam. if you don't know someone, you "don't know them from adam."


yeah, i know. i'm a nerd. sue me.</font>

it's funny, i came across this phrase in a book i'm reading about 10 minutes before i read your post

RumoredToTheS&N
07-23-2002, 02:30 AM
coincidence? i think not.

spooky.

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