View Full Version : What will be BC's direction for the Zwan album? Sales?


Gooch
07-21-2002, 09:54 PM
What will Corgans direction be with the first Zwan album? Do you think he'll be making a record for sales, to hit the charts high, to make Zwan the next big thing? Or do you think he'll make an album of "dont give a fuck about the public's reaction to this" music? Machina was not about pleasing the TRL masses, it was an overproduced (ie: flood produced) mishmosh that was done not to be a hit album but to just make a music statement. Do you think BC will try to be the next big MTV hit group, or do you think he's going to produce an album of songs, with the notion that "this is Zwan, its before your time, you dont get it, it doesnt matter". And do you think if public reaction isnt good he'll give up with Zwan? Or will Zwan try again with another album? Like, I have a feeling he's going to try really hard with this album to make it incredible, wind up taking way to long and over-producing it, and then it'll sound like shit. Do you think Zwan has potential?

pale_princess
07-21-2002, 10:18 PM
in a vain effort for sales, billy signs a deal to appear in gap commercials. sales plummet. billy disbands zwan and goes into hiding. jc becomes the new drummer for motley crue.

Cherub Angel
07-21-2002, 10:32 PM
you ask a lot of questions, but that's ok

If it's done right, it'll be huge. right now, I'm going into listening to this band not knowing what to expect. He's working with some people he admires as musicians, and are pretty much up to par with him in terms of musicianship. They have so far giving us three fairly different views of the band. Personally, I think the last two versions of the band (Djali Zwan and Zwan?) have been the best and they've really pulled themselves together. they will make the band what they want it to be. I'd be happier if they played all club shows. I've come to pretty much despise most arena shows since I've been to the tweeter center. I hated the crowd more than anything, not to mention the building is horrible. As for being over produced...there is over produced and there is OVER PRODUCED. Some like it simple and some like it complicated. If it sounds good we have nothing to complain about. I think they have a ton of potential. If they want to be the next big thing they may have to muck it up on MTV. White Stripes have done it, Hives have done it, so have Local H. As for public reaction...which public. Do you mean us? Do you mean your average screaming teeny bopper abercrombie wearing freaks? If Zwan fans abandon it, it's over. I don't think he gives a flying fuck about the teeny bopper audiences. why do you think the Pumpkins went on for so long? If we were fair-weather fans they wouldn't have had a chance in hell.

peabody
07-21-2002, 10:50 PM
i don't think zwan will be huge or even moderately successful.

stumpycat
07-21-2002, 10:52 PM
I do think that Zwan is honestly about Billy having a creative outlet through which he can play whatever he wants to whomever will listen to and appreciate it. Billy dealt in the highly image-concious and popularity-driven commercialism of the music industry with the Pumpkins, and I think that he desires Zwan to be the antithesis of that mentality. Don't get me wrong, though--Billy, the egocentric that he his, will ALWAYS be concerned to some extent with gaining attention for his work and approval amongst whomever is his musical audience.

Ugly
07-21-2002, 11:30 PM
I think he might just release it his own with a small pressing. If they ever produce a CD, that is.

I don't think Billy wants to be big at all, he just wants to play small venues like clubs and shit probably.

'course, I can't read minds. *heh, looks away nervously*

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mytransgressions
07-21-2002, 11:54 PM
ZWAN will be successful cause Billy writes brilliant songs and has written some of the best songs in his career for zwan such as Ring the bells, World goes round, Freedom aint what it is, Cast a stone, the empty seas...etc.

Plus, the musicians around him in ZWAN are much better then the pumpkins; and the one person he did bring over from the pumpkins is one of the best drummers in rock.

Zwan will be much like the Pumpkins except on a slightly smaller scale; It will have less popularity then the Pumpkins overall but will be more highly regarded by critics.

Mainly cause Billy will be less egotistical, more low key and will be less of a threat to critics and therefore they will find him more appealing.

In terms of album sales, i think there is a new surge of alternative music that is becoming mainstreem again... The economy is bad, people are worried about the future, they are tired of throwaway pop music ..so the need for relevant, intellegent, spirited music will be in demand and ZWAN could benefit from this movement.

My prediction: Zwan's debut album will be a critical success and sell around 1.3 million copies and "cast a stone", "jesus,I" and "and I died of a broken heart" will be semi-hit songs.


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Todd White
07-22-2002, 12:52 AM
Zwan is meant to go to the top...just like the Pumpkins...Billy wants to go all the way. If Zwan doesn't do well with their first album we won't be seeing much more of them. They said it themselves...they want to play arenas.

Zwan is Billy's fresh start...he has learned from the Pumpkins' mistakes. Billy wants Zwan to be a major rock band...nothing less.

- Todd

liquid slide
07-22-2002, 01:25 AM
good points.
i think billy respects the other musicians too much to tell them what to do all the time, so some weight is lifted off his shoulders. i know he's egotistical etc but i think he's just having a much better time because he knows he can trust the others in the band. zwan will always have a solid fan base, even though a lot of sp fans don't like zwan, the ones that do are, for the most part, pretty hardcore. i can't remember who it was, i think it was matt that said 'we know at this moment in time we can't suck' and i think that's true

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Jesse Miller
07-22-2002, 01:45 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Gooch:
What will Corgans direction be with the first Zwan album? Do you think he'll be making a record for sales, to hit the charts high, to make Zwan the next big thing? Or do you think he'll make an album of "dont give a fuck about the public's reaction to this" music? Machina was not about pleasing the TRL masses, it was an overproduced (ie: flood produced) mishmosh that was done not to be a hit album but to just make a music statement. Do you think BC will try to be the next big MTV hit group, or do you think he's going to produce an album of songs, with the notion that "this is Zwan, its before your time, you dont get it, it doesnt matter". And do you think if public reaction isnt good he'll give up with Zwan? Or will Zwan try again with another album? Like, I have a feeling he's going to try really hard with this album to make it incredible, wind up taking way to long and over-producing it, and then it'll sound like shit. Do you think Zwan has potential? </font>

...or you could just stop worrying about all that bullshit and just see what happens.

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joe joe
07-22-2002, 01:53 AM
people will dismiss it as smashing pumpkins cause of billy's distinct voice. its gonna be tough not to continually be type cast as smashing pumpkins with a new name. matt will have to sing some sucessful songs maybe? number of the beast was well done! he has a more interesting voice than james.

rkjr
07-22-2002, 02:04 AM
In my mind it always seemed that it would be more of an underground thing. *shrugs*

Caine Walker
07-22-2002, 02:49 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by mytransgressions:
ZWAN will be successful cause Billy writes brilliant songs and has written some of the best songs in his career for zwan such as Ring the bells, World goes round, Freedom aint what it is, Cast a stone, the empty seas...etc.

Plus, the musicians around him in ZWAN are much better then the pumpkins; and the one person he did bring over from the pumpkins is one of the best drummers in rock.

Zwan will be much like the Pumpkins except on a slightly smaller scale; It will have less popularity then the Pumpkins overall but will be more highly regarded by critics.

Mainly cause Billy will be less egotistical, more low key and will be less of a threat to critics and therefore they will find him more appealing.

In terms of album sales, i think there is a new surge of alternative music that is becoming mainstreem again... The economy is bad, people are worried about the future, they are tired of throwaway pop music ..so the need for relevant, intellegent, spirited music will be in demand and ZWAN could benefit from this movement.

My prediction: Zwan's debut album will be a critical success and sell around 1.3 million copies and "cast a stone", "jesus,I" and "and I died of a broken heart" will be semi-hit songs.

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wow, you are a complete retard.

i.m.1.as.u.r.3
07-22-2002, 04:33 AM
I bet A New Poetry will be the title track.

mytransgressions
07-22-2002, 05:18 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Caine Walker:
wow, you are a complete retard. </font>

My post was a happy, innocent, fun little reply explaining what i feel might happen with Zwan in the future. And i'm guessing by your blunt vicious comment, you think i'm completely off with my assessments.

I thank you for your opinion

You're a true gentlemen. You'll go far in life.

Green Plastic
07-22-2002, 08:27 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by mytransgressions:
ZWAN will be successful cause Billy writes brilliant songs and has written some of the best songs in his career for zwan such as Ring the bells, World goes round, Freedom aint what it is, Cast a stone, the empty seas...etc.

Plus, the musicians around him in ZWAN are much better then the pumpkins; and the one person he did bring over from the pumpkins is one of the best drummers in rock.

Zwan will be much like the Pumpkins except on a slightly smaller scale; It will have less popularity then the Pumpkins overall but will be more highly regarded by critics.

Mainly cause Billy will be less egotistical, more low key and will be less of a threat to critics and therefore they will find him more appealing.

In terms of album sales, i think there is a new surge of alternative music that is becoming mainstreem again... The economy is bad, people are worried about the future, they are tired of throwaway pop music ..so the need for relevant, intellegent, spirited music will be in demand and ZWAN could benefit from this movement.

My prediction: Zwan's debut album will be a critical success and sell around 1.3 million copies and "cast a stone", "jesus,I" and "and I died of a broken heart" will be semi-hit songs.

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You gotta be joking me.


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Junebug
07-22-2002, 11:13 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Todd White:
They said it themselves...they want to play arenas.

- Todd</font>

When did they say that? I'm not doubting you for a second, I'm just wondering when/where they made that statement.

I thought they'd probably do a lot of what they have been doing...small clubs, etc. Then the album would make them more popular...critics would eat it up and other kids who don't know much about SP would take a look at it. But I always thought that they wouldn't make a big effort to get airplay and that kind of crap...their fans would have to come to them, you know? it will be interesting to watch unfold.

Mr. Restroom TP Refiller
07-22-2002, 12:07 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by mytransgressions:
My post was a happy, innocent, fun little reply explaining what i feel might happen with Zwan in the future. And i'm guessing by your blunt vicious comment, you think i'm completely off with my assessments.</font>

And I think he was being nice. Your post is so full of stupid shit, I would have to sit here for an hour just to counter all the stupid points in it. Try to think realistically for once.

There's no way that this band will have anywhere equal to the overall success and impact of the Pumpkins. There is no way that they will be played consistently on MTV. They might be on VH1 if they have a good enough song.

And the band doesn't give a shit about whether it hits the top of the charts or not, why should you? Whether it does or not isn't going to change a thing. Why? Because the Pumpkins went from selling over 10 million records with SD/MCIS combined, down to selling under 2 million with Adore/Machina combined. If that alone is not going to discourage Billy and Jimmy from continuing to make music, then what is? They are just going to continue to make music regardless of its popularity because that's all they know, and that's all they've ever done. Whether it's writing music for a studio album or a movie or a comic book or whatever, this is what they live and breathe. They couldn't even take a whole year off without writing 50+ new songs. And if ZWAN was truly concerned with maximizing their sales potential, they would have written songs that were geared musically and lyrically toward the group of people that are mostly responsible for album sales: teens and college students. These songs aren't written for them, they stopped doing that after MCIS.

Egadsman
07-22-2002, 12:35 PM
You know, it's possible the first Zwan "album" may be the Spun soundtrack.
----->Jeff Compton

Ugly
07-22-2002, 12:40 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Todd White:
Zwan is meant to go to the top...just like the Pumpkins...Billy wants to go all the way. If Zwan doesn't do well with their first album we won't be seeing much more of them. They said it themselves...they want to play arenas.

Zwan is Billy's fresh start...he has learned from the Pumpkins' mistakes. Billy wants Zwan to be a major rock band...nothing less.

- Todd</font>

I would trust what this man says. He probably has it recorded too.

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Fellatio! Hurrah!
07-22-2002, 01:01 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Ugly:
I would trust what this man says. He probably has it recorded too.

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<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GrungeGuy:
Are you a retard?

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lol, this guy is the unleetest of the so-called leet.

Tatsuma
07-22-2002, 01:04 PM
I think it will stay "underground" with little to no media exposure... i mean, this stuff isn't airwave material... at all.. except MAYBE songs like "and so i died" but... even that.. i'm pretty sure it wouldn't work....

and I think that billy would rather play small venues, with a little fan base, that totally appreciate his music, instead of a 1000x bigger soundbase that don't understand anything and listen to zwan the same way people did with mcis... everyone listened to mcis cause... well... it was cool..

i think that billy's done with that since Adore... (i mean, put adore, machina or machina 2 in the hand of a regular teeniebopper... chances are, they will listen to it once and throw them away... if they even go thru it completly...)

again, it might only be what i wish...

the only think we can do is wait (and speculate)

Woody
07-22-2002, 01:24 PM
Errmmm...U guys have a really fucked up sense of what will work on radio...I mean, 'And so I died'? That is NO WAY airwave material.

There are however plenty of songs that would suit Radio play:

Whatever, Whenever
Cast a Stone
Endless Summer
Yeah
Rivers We Cant Cross
Glorious

Because, crazily enough, these are the most catchy songs!
If Zwan puts any kind of reliance on 'Jesus I' to attract new fans then they will fail miserably in my opinion...it is way too hardcore and repetitive for mainstream.

[This message has been edited by Woody (edited 07-22-2002).]

Jaggie
07-22-2002, 03:26 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by stumpycat:
I do think that Zwan is honestly about Billy having a creative outlet through which he can play whatever he wants to whomever will listen to and appreciate it. Billy dealt in the highly image-concious and popularity-driven commercialism of the music industry with the Pumpkins, and I think that he desires Zwan to be the antithesis of that mentality. Don't get me wrong, though--Billy, the egocentric that he his, will ALWAYS be concerned to some extent with gaining attention for his work and approval amongst whomever is his musical audience.</font>

I agree 100%

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Nidhogg
07-22-2002, 03:32 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by mytransgressions:
ZWAN will be successful cause Billy writes brilliant songs and has written some of the best songs in his career for zwan such as Ring the bells, World goes round, Freedom aint what it is, Cast a stone, the empty seas...etc.

Plus, the musicians around him in ZWAN are much better then the pumpkins; and the one person he did bring over from the pumpkins is one of the best drummers in rock.

Zwan will be much like the Pumpkins except on a slightly smaller scale; It will have less popularity then the Pumpkins overall but will be more highly regarded by critics.

Mainly cause Billy will be less egotistical, more low key and will be less of a threat to critics and therefore they will find him more appealing.

In terms of album sales, i think there is a new surge of alternative music that is becoming mainstreem again... The economy is bad, people are worried about the future, they are tired of throwaway pop music ..so the need for relevant, intellegent, spirited music will be in demand and ZWAN could benefit from this movement.

My prediction: Zwan's debut album will be a critical success and sell around 1.3 million copies and "cast a stone", "jesus,I" and "and I died of a broken heart" will be semi-hit songs.

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completely agreed

Ranger
07-22-2002, 03:32 PM
When ESPN's Jeremy Schaap asked him what the future held, Corgan smiled.

"I don't know, man," he said. "I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian."

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JoaoMiguel
07-22-2002, 05:20 PM
I really don't think Zwan is going to be as good/big as the Smashing Pumpkins. Billy can't write good songs as he used to... Even the sound of his voice of his voice has gone downhill. Everything sounds too forced now.

It's all a matter of logic:
The SP's Billy is totally different from the Zwan's Billy, so let's see it:
Zwan's Billy = Machina's Billy</li>
Machina = sucks</li>
Zwan = (probability of sucking 90%)</li>

Mood ring
07-22-2002, 05:56 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Did somebody call a doctor?
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ZWAN WILL BE HOOG CUZ OF BOLLY'S HARRY CAREY IMPERSONATION!!!

Affectation
07-22-2002, 07:54 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Cherub Angel:

If it's done right, it'll be huge.</font><font color=00ff33>Are you high? No one wants to hear this shit. The only people that listen to Zwan are old pumpkin fans. I bet that Zwan has two fans that are fans because of the music.

Ugly
07-22-2002, 08:07 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by JoaoMiguel:
Even the sound of his voice of his voice has gone downhill. Everything sounds too forced now.
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I think Billy singing has improved. its not as cool as it was in the Siamese Dream/MCIS tour shows. But I think its more melodic now.

But, if I had my way he'd still have that nasal whine cuz it sounds cooler. . .
. . . and the pumpkins would have never broken up . . .
. . . and I'd be getting a blow job and a coffee right now . . .

But, anyway, yeah, props to Billy for trying to sound different vocally.



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mojo
07-22-2002, 08:24 PM
I think Billy will be dropped by this time next year and take up landscape gardening in a joint venture with James. James will drive the van, though

JoaoMiguel
07-22-2002, 11:26 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Ugly:
I think Billy singing has improved. its not as cool as it was in the Siamese Dream/MCIS tour shows. But I think its more melodic now.

But, if I had my way he'd still have that nasal whine cuz it sounds cooler. . .

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I don't really think that YOU think his vocals has improved since you made it clear that you like the way he used to sing more http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

Cherub Angel
07-23-2002, 12:31 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Affectation:
The only people that listen to Zwan are old pumpkin fans. I bet that Zwan has two fans that are fans because of the music.

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Who else would be fans of Zwan except for Pumpkins fans? No one else really knows about them, and they really haven't made that huge of an effort to get their name out there. Yet the point is that they do have an audience. I've heard a lot of the songs, some are good and some aren't that good. If they choose the right songs, do them right and such, I still stand by my opinion that it could be good.

fuck off and good night http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

MisterLove
07-23-2002, 12:33 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by JoaoMiguel:
I don't really think that YOU think his vocals has improved since you made it clear that you like the way he used to sing more http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif</font>

Well, the vocals were better on Adore and Machina than previous albums so that bodes well for Zwan. But in terms of live performance, I agree that the vocals have taken a dive. As much as I didn't like Adore I though his voice actually did improve during that tour and carried some of the weaker songs. During the last tour on the other hand...

ZackZ
07-23-2002, 02:33 AM
From what I've heard of Zwan, I do not like them. But I have not heard their recent songs. Will they big huge? It's 100% dependant on the promotion. I'm sure if they promoted something like "Scott Stapp Farts the Classics of Mozart" it would be a huge success. Any band with moderately "good" songs can be pretty big if they have enough backing.

Salena Child
07-23-2002, 09:22 AM
i don't think it's going to sell real well.

Cherub Angel
07-23-2002, 10:06 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Salena Child:
i don't think it's going to sell real well. </font>

More likely to get critical acclaim if it's done well......wait and see if it sells well. It all does depend on promotion and stuff like that.

Cherub Angel
07-23-2002, 10:07 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ZackZ:
From what I've heard of Zwan, I do not like them. But I have not heard their recent songs. </font>

Their later stuff is better than their earlier stuff. that's just my opinion.

Ugly
07-23-2002, 11:47 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MisterLove:
Well, the vocals were better on Adore and Machina than previous albums so that bodes well for Zwan. But in terms of live performance, I agree that the vocals have taken a dive. As much as I didn't like Adore I though his voice actually did improve during that tour and carried some of the weaker songs. During the last tour on the other hand...
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Well, studio wise vocal performance is a different story. Anybody can sound good in the studio. Listen to Billy's voice on Siamese Dream, very melodic, and the SD tour it was much more raw. Its like that Simpsons episode when Lt. L.T. Smash made the Party Posse by hitting the "Studio Magic" button. "Thank you NASA."

But speaking live-performance wise, I think Billy's vocals have improved tremendously since the Siamese Dream/MCIS shows. I make a distinction between "melodic" and "cool" though because Billy's snarl was awesome it wasn't exactly the prettiest thing to listen to in the world.

The Adore tour was actually quite good vocally, and Zwan keeps more in the spirit of that performance. Listen to "For Your Love" from the Grand Rapids, MI shows, or "And So I Died of A Broken Heart". Musically, I think the dude's singing has improved live.

As for the MACHINA tour - eh, the whole point of those shows were "I Am Corgan, I Shall Rock" Listen to TEG/BULLET/HMM from the UC show for a good example. The dude can still howl like a muthafucker.


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Tatsuma
07-23-2002, 12:31 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Woody:
Errmmm...U guys have a really fucked up sense of what will work on radio...I mean, 'And so I died'? That is NO WAY airwave material.

There are however plenty of songs that would suit Radio play:

Whatever, Whenever
Cast a Stone
Endless Summer
Yeah
Rivers We Cant Cross
Glorious

Because, crazily enough, these are the most catchy songs!
If Zwan puts any kind of reliance on 'Jesus I' to attract new fans then they will fail miserably in my opinion...it is way too hardcore and repetitive for mainstream.

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we could have said that about the white stripes a year ago... look what happened..

JoaoMiguel
07-23-2002, 12:54 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MisterLove:
Well, the vocals were better on Adore and Machina than previous albums so that bodes well for Zwan. But in terms of live performance, I agree that the vocals have taken a dive. As much as I didn't like Adore I though his voice actually did improve during that tour and carried some of the weaker songs. During the last tour on the other hand...
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Have you ever listened to "Annie Dog"? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

Ensoul
07-23-2002, 03:47 PM
Zwan will not be as successful as SP... I am not worried about Billy's voice, just give me a good song and I'll be happy.

I don't see Billy promoting Zwan as he did SP, and SP was not promoted that much.

Promotion is a key to success and so are radio hits. I'll still listen to Zwan whether other people like them or not though.

stumpycat
07-23-2002, 05:45 PM
I've heard several live performances from all eras which in which Billy's vocals sound pretty good/very close to that on the alblum.

However, the guy does seem to have a pretty weak/thin singing voice and you can tell during many live performances that he is really having to strain to give a decent delivery. Billy's voice seems prone to crapping out, and of course if this happens in the studio it really isn't a problem because you can just take a rest and re-record as many times as needed to achieve the desired sound.

Affectation
07-23-2002, 06:57 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Ensoul:
Zwan will not be as successful as SP...</font><font color=00ff33>Greatest understatement evar!

joe joe
07-23-2002, 10:12 PM
glorious is about the only song i heard that has radio potential... if they arent gonna pick up "let me give the world to you" after a few stations play it, i dont think zwan will be able to do any better then that unless the music scene and industry start trying to make indie the mainstream again.

stumpycat
07-24-2002, 04:37 PM
Realistically, how good is the track record for frontmen of bands which achieved great commercial success in their era achieving great commercial success again?

Of course, there are a number of examples which one could cite (Jefferson Starship, Ozzy Ozzbourne, Henry Rollins, etc.) but it generally seems the case that such resurrections happens either a number of years after their first run of popularity (which allows the for a natural distancing to occur), or that their former bands broke up fairly quickly or without a great decline in their popularity. In the case of the Pumpkins, the mainstream audience seemed to be of the opinion that they were really taking the piss after MCIS. That probably doesn't bode too well for any major career successes in the future.



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B0lly
07-24-2002, 11:43 PM
Well, my children, it is time that I descend from the heavens and speak the truth of MY newest band, Zwan. I am a fan of the almight rapper knwon only as Naz. In tribute to him I was going to name MY band Naz, but that just wasn't weird enough for society. I decided that it needed a new, obscure letter such as "w". With the addition of the w, the new improved name became nawz. Fearing that one of you would find me out, I decided the turn the name backwards and pretend I'm really weird...The reason "poets" was added was to tie it all back to my god, Naz. Now stop questioning me, my children. You know you'll buy all of my albums and merchandise anyway. :is carried off in elegant chair by the O-boarders:: All hail!

lily1only
07-24-2002, 11:47 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by B0lly:
Well, my children, it is time that I descend from the heavens and speak the truth of MY newest band, Zwan. I am a fan of the almight rapper knwon only as Naz. In tribute to him I was going to name MY band Naz, but that just wasn't weird enough for society. I decided that it needed a new, obscure letter such as "w". With the addition of the w, the new improved name became nawz. Fearing that one of you would find me out, I decided the turn the name backwards and pretend I'm really weird...The reason "poets" was added was to tie it all back to my god, Naz. Now stop questioning me, my children. You know you'll buy all of my albums and merchandise anyway. :is carried off in elegant chair by the O-boarders:: All hail!</font>

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