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supersonic
06-24-2002, 02:16 AM
Hi there
Ketamine from South Africa will headline Act IV this year. Here are some links to Ketamine demos that were submitted to Act IV and Joe Shanahan of Metro:
Both songs were recorded live in the studio - no production...
"AVA ADORE"
http://www.ketamine.co.za/avaadore.mp3
"REFLECT IN YOU" (Written by Ketamine)
http://www.ketamine.co.za/reflectinyou.mp3
And, the 'Ghost Children' CD version of "Disarm"
http://www.ketamine.co.za/Ketamine_disarm.mp3
or you could visit our website at:
http://www.ketamine.co.za
Comments are always welcome...

symbiosis
06-24-2002, 01:33 PM
oh. is this the band from last year with the vocalist that sounded like he was straining himself to try and sound like billy?

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pale_princess
06-24-2002, 01:38 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by symbiosis:
is this the band from last year with the vocalist that sounded like he was straining himself to try and sound like billy?

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aren't they all like that?

supersonic
06-24-2002, 03:03 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by symbiosis:
oh. is this the band from last year with the vocalist that sounded like he was straining himself to try and sound like billy?

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maybe if you put a little effort in and listened to the MP3s or looked at their website, you'd realise Ketamine have a female vocalist - so don't jump to conclusion http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

symbiosis
06-24-2002, 06:20 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by supersonic:
maybe if you put a little effort in and listened to the MP3s or looked at their website, you'd realise Ketamine have a female vocalist - so don't jump to conclusion http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif </font>

oh. THAT band. i remember them now.

lily1only
06-24-2002, 11:46 PM
I was expecting tribal music last year- and I was VERY disappointed. also..I really dislike the fact that the (female) vocalist of ketamine changed the lyrics of disarm to "I used to be a little girl.." that was lame and cliche.

Jesse Miller
06-25-2002, 01:04 AM
Kinda poopy.

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Smashing Corgan
06-25-2002, 01:14 AM
Ketamine was the worst band last year by far. I could have gotten on stage at Metro with people I have never playeded with before and we would have cranked out better covers than that. That and Linsey Kuper were the only disappointments. The rest of the show was awesome. This tribute show will never be as good as the last one. The pumpkins vibe has also faded considerably since. The last one was only like 7 months after they called it quits, and people were still trying to get over it so it was nice at it worked. This will be a dissapointment, and will probably lead to no future Act 6 or whatever.

supersonic
06-25-2002, 04:06 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by lily1only:
I was expecting tribal music last year- and I was VERY disappointed. also..I really dislike the fact that the (female) vocalist of ketamine changed the lyrics of disarm to "I used to be a little girl.." that was lame and cliche.</font>

well, maybe you shouldn't have such conditioned ideas and expectations - it's like us Africans expecting American bands to sound like American indian tribal music - hello? - is their anyboday there? - and getting uptight about lyrics calls for valium suppositories - the majority of people said that 'disarm' on the Ghost Children CD was the best track - so - you should download 'ava' and 'reflect in you' before you make comments - everything changes every day - maybe it's a good idea to explore more - for instance if you listened to U2's demos you'd think these guys would never make it and have a good chuckle about them - that was Ketamine's 2nd gig - Joe Shanahan (owner of Metro) chose the final line-up!!! - he also gave TSP their break...

supersonic
06-25-2002, 04:23 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smashing Corgan:
Ketamine was the worst band last year by far. I could have gotten on stage at Metro with people I have never playeded with before and we would have cranked out better covers than that. That and Linsey Kuper were the only disappointments. The rest of the show was awesome. This tribute show will never be as good as the last one. The pumpkins vibe has also faded considerably since. The last one was only like 7 months after they called it quits, and people were still trying to get over it so it was nice at it worked. This will be a dissapointment, and will probably lead to no future Act 6 or whatever. </font>

Well, some hated them, some liked them - it's just odd that at the end of the day people are missing the point - it's a charity event that supports a cause to help sick children to have a little more - and at the same time it's an opportunity for TSP fans to not only to pay tribute to the greatest band ever, but get together and have some fun - it's only $12?

If people went to the act iv website and listened to the demos of the artists performing they'd be pleasantly surprised...

DoctaSoma
06-25-2002, 04:43 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by supersonic:
the majority of people said that 'disarm' on the Ghost Children CD was the best track </font>

Moleasskiss was the best track by far on Ghost Children. I enjoy it more than the original. I thought disarm was ok, but I didn't like it as much as many of the other tracks. I think it is only right that she should sing the songs with the lyrics changed to a feminine perspective. On the ghost children disc when she sings 'I used to be a little boy' it just seems unnatural.

-Ben

whiteSPider
06-25-2002, 05:51 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smashing Corgan:
I could have gotten on stage at Metro with people I have never played with before </font>

ha. exactly what i did and still opened up the show last year.

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sweet17
06-25-2002, 09:18 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by lily1only:
also..I really dislike the fact that ... ketamine changed the lyrics of disarm to "I used to be a little girl.." that was lame...</font>Errr. Actually, Billy sang it like that a handful of times.

nelifex
06-27-2002, 10:03 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by supersonic:
the majority of people said that 'disarm' on the Ghost Children CD was the best track </font>

wrong! that'd be If There Is A God http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

Pmack
06-27-2002, 11:03 PM
There's a lot of people in this thread that should be keeping the piehole closed.

Ketamine is an excellent band. And Disarm was far and away the best track in the Ghost Children CD. Nothing else was even in the same ballpark.

Supersonic -- do not let these pissants get you down. Yr. band moves mountains, and some of us can hear that.

lily1only
06-27-2002, 11:59 PM
no, seriously though...last year was all about kill hannah. their cherub rock cover was amazing.

supersonic
06-28-2002, 04:47 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by nelifex:
wrong! that'd be If There Is A God http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif</font>

http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

Smashing Corgan
06-28-2002, 02:31 PM
Hey Pmack I'm entitled to own fucking opinion. They sucked as a live band, you dont have to agree. Darcy, Christophe, and Kill Hannah were a lot better

Abandon
06-28-2002, 04:26 PM
I will attend.

supersonic
06-28-2002, 06:02 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smashing Corgan:
Hey Pmack I'm entitled to own fucking opinion. They sucked as a live band, you dont have to agree. Darcy, Christophe, and Kill Hannah were a lot better</font>

So, are you going then?

Pmack
06-28-2002, 08:13 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smashing Corgan:
Hey Pmack I'm entitled to own fucking opinion. </font>

You are also entitled to your opinion that the moon is made of green cheese. It doesn't make you any less of an idiot for having that opinion in the first place.

They may have sucked as a live band, but until you have the balls to form a band, play a single show and then fly to another country to play your second show, you should keep your mouth shut.

Maybe they still need to find their live legs, but the 'live demos' they posted are great-- the band has talent and skill.

Smashing Corgan
06-29-2002, 11:12 PM
Hmmm.... its funny you should say talent and skill because we are talking about covers here.

Reyngel
06-29-2002, 11:19 PM
I listened to the Ketamine Disarm cover. I like the piano part, but other than that, it's nothing really special. The one thing I don't like about it is the way she sings. There are times when she's annoying, like at the beginning with "and cut you like..," she says the word "cut" gay, like she's trying to sound cool or something. Bleah. It happens in other parts of the cover too. The sound quality of the recording is good, the drums are good, the piano is good, the guitars are alright, but her voice is kinda gay.

darcy_is_sexy
06-29-2002, 11:23 PM
i'll be there.

Smashing Corgan
06-29-2002, 11:28 PM
I've never seen someone get so defensive about a band that quite honestly is not worth the trouble of defending. If you like them, fine. And quit acting like your opinion is the common one. Everyone around me was yawning when they were playing last year. I just wasn't as impressed as with the other bands, its not that big of a deal. And as for your moon being made of green cheese analogy, well I won't even go there, I wont stoop to that level.

supersonic
06-30-2002, 09:02 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Reyngel:
I listened to the Ketamine Disarm cover. I like the piano part, but other than that, it's nothing really special. The one thing I don't like about it is the way she sings. There are times when she's annoying, like at the beginning with "and cut you like..," she says the word "cut" gay, like she's trying to sound cool or something. Bleah. It happens in other parts of the cover too. The sound quality of the recording is good, the drums are good, the piano is good, the guitars are alright, but her voice is kinda gay.</font>

well, what about 'ava', and 'reflect in you' (the original)? no excuses, 'disarm' was recorded after the band was together for 3 weeks with a session drummer and bassist...listen to the rest - lets keep talking...

supersonic
06-30-2002, 09:07 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smashing Corgan:
I've never seen someone get so defensive about a band that quite honestly is not worth the trouble of defending. If you like them, fine. And quit acting like your opinion is the common one. Everyone around me was yawning when they were playing last year. I just wasn't as impressed as with the other bands, its not that big of a deal. And as for your moon being made of green cheese analogy, well I won't even go there, I wont stoop to that level.</font>

Well obviously bjørn thorsrud wasn't yawning eh? check out their website - news - it'll take you to 2002 - there you'll find a link to 2001 - BT interview...you never answered whether were going or not?

Eulogy
06-30-2002, 10:54 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by lily1only:
no, seriously though...last year was all about kill hannah. their cherub rock cover was amazing.</font>

Oh yeah.

And D'arcy. Lost Logic and Ketamine were meh.

Robyn of course had the best of the acoustic sets. That other guy with the whiny voice was pretty good too...whatever his name was.

What was this thread about again?

Reyngel
06-30-2002, 01:46 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by supersonic:
well, what about 'ava', and 'reflect in you' (the original)? no excuses, 'disarm' was recorded after the band was together for 3 weeks with a session drummer and bassist...listen to the rest - lets keep talking...</font>

Uh, I listened to Ava Adore, too, and the girl still sounds annoying, especially when she sings "lovely boy." It's not that I don't like the lyric change, it's that she sounds like she's trying to hard to sing well, and it sounds gay. The guitars aren't all that great in it, either... just kinda so-so. At least the Disarm sounds more creative.

supersonic
06-30-2002, 03:03 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Reyngel:
Uh, I listened to Ava Adore, too, and the girl still sounds annoying, especially when she sings "lovely boy." It's not that I don't like the lyric change, it's that she sounds like she's trying to hard to sing well, and it sounds gay. The guitars aren't all that great in it, either... just kinda so-so. At least the Disarm sounds more creative.

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Well, the last chance, for now, would be 'reflect in you' - you listened to that yet?

SPheart9
07-02-2002, 03:19 PM
i've heard some stuff from "underweb effect" and i have a feeling they're going to be the show stealers this year.


it was pretty good http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

Slurpee
07-02-2002, 04:17 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Pmack:
They may have sucked as a live band, but until you have the balls to form a band, play a single show and then fly to another country to play your second show, you should keep your mouth shut. </font>

That's such a lame argument. "You can't criticize music unless you make it!" That's so ridiculous. I mean, apply it to other things:

"You can't say this car's handling sucks until you build your own!"
"You can't say this movie sucks until you make your own!"
"You can't say the pizza at this joint is terrible until you learn to flip pies yourself!"

Some things are inherently bad, and to say you can't talk about something's aesthetic value without doing that thing yourself is wrong... I mean, using your logic, how do you know it's good music without trying it yourself? Maybe it would be terribly easy to make better music. And apparently, according to you, if I'm tone deaf and can't write songs, well then I can't like or dislike any music at all!

I know what "enjoyment" and "happiness" feel like, and god dammit, that means I can tell you whether I enjoy certain music or whether a movie makes me happy.

Your argument frustrates me, especially coming from someone who usually makes intelligent posts.

lily1only
07-05-2002, 01:22 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Eulogy:
That other guy with the whiny voice was pretty good too...whatever his name was.
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the french guy! if billy had a french accent, he would've sounded just like the guy.

DoctaSoma
07-05-2002, 03:46 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Slurpee:
That's such a lame argument. "You can't criticize music unless you make it!" That's so ridiculous. I mean, apply it to other things:

"You can't say this car's handling sucks until you build your own!"
"You can't say this movie sucks until you make your own!"
"You can't say the pizza at this joint is terrible until you learn to flip pies yourself!"

Some things are inherently bad, and to say you can't talk about something's aesthetic value without doing that thing yourself is wrong... I mean, using your logic, how do you know it's good music without trying it yourself? Maybe it would be terribly easy to make better music. And apparently, according to you, if I'm tone deaf and can't write songs, well then I can't like or dislike any music at all!

I know what "enjoyment" and "happiness" feel like, and god dammit, that means I can tell you whether I enjoy certain music or whether a movie makes me happy.

Your argument frustrates me, especially coming from someone who usually makes intelligent posts. </font>

I thought his argument was ridiculous, but didn't bother responding as I thought it could be a troll.

-Ben

Pmack
07-05-2002, 04:24 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Slurpee:
That's such a lame argument. "You can't criticize music unless you make it!" That's so ridiculous. </font>

I'd like to argue this, but...

Well, no, I really don't want to argue it, because I don't care that much, but as a halfhearted attempt at explanation:

Does Ketamine suck because they are bad at what they do, or did they maybe suck because a) it was only their second show and b) IT WAS PLAYED IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY IN FRONT OF TOTAL STRANGERS.

The people in this thread criticizing Ketamine's performance cannot understand the pressure put upon Ketamine unless they have done the same thing. Taking your newly minted band to another country and playing a set in front of a different culture is an enormously ballsy and stressful move, and any determination of their 'suck factor' should allow for an understanding of that stress in determining how bad they may or may not 'suck'.

All of this 'discussion' ignores a more pertinent piece of information that Supersonic brought up but has been otherwise ignored: Bjorn Thorsrud heard something in them that made him approach Ketamine. I'd say since Bjorn is not an idiot 15-year old on the internet and actually works with real musicians as a full-time job, he may know something the rest of these schlubs don't.

- Dave

Irrelevant
07-05-2002, 07:31 PM
if they have one next year, i'm going to find a drummer and put in some demos!

who wants to hear Over You and STP? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Reyngel
07-05-2002, 09:54 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Pmack:
I'd like to argue this, but...

Well, no, I really don't want to argue it, because I don't care that much, but as a halfhearted attempt at explanation:

Does Ketamine suck because they are bad at what they do, or did they maybe suck because a) it was only their second show and b) IT WAS PLAYED IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY IN FRONT OF TOTAL STRANGERS.

The people in this thread criticizing Ketamine's performance cannot understand the pressure put upon Ketamine unless they have done the same thing. Taking your newly minted band to another country and playing a set in front of a different culture is an enormously ballsy and stressful move, and any determination of their 'suck factor' should allow for an understanding of that stress in determining how bad they may or may not 'suck'.

All of this 'discussion' ignores a more pertinent piece of information that Supersonic brought up but has been otherwise ignored: Bjorn Thorsrud heard something in them that made him approach Ketamine. I'd say since Bjorn is not an idiot 15-year old on the internet and actually works with real musicians as a full-time job, he may know something the rest of these schlubs don't.

- Dave</font>

What the fuck, that's so stupid. If we're not supposed to judge their music by the mp3s we've heard, then how the hell are we? Again, in the direction that Slurpee was going, now you are being way too relative. I mean by your logic, you could say:

"You can't have an opinion about Siamese Dream because they were under a lot of pressure and the way they sounded was reflected from that, and unless you've been in a situation like that, then shut up."

I don't know if you know this, but people judge music by listening to it. And we listened to Ketamine. And we have opinions. So the fuck what if they happened to be brand new? That doesn't mean that we have to like it. Artists, especially these days, have basically one shot to be big, and it's all about making a good first impression. You don't just see record companies going like, "Well you sound like shit, but we'll sign you cause maybe later on you'll be good."

Pmack
07-06-2002, 12:15 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Reyngel:
What the fuck, that's so stupid. If we're not supposed to judge their music by the mp3s we've heard, then how the hell are we? </font>

Hello there! I'm talking about the people in this thread who judged them based on their performance at Act IV. I know 'reading comprehension' is an alien concept on the internet, but you may want to look into it. You may find it useful.

Thanks for playing.

- Dave

The Omega Concern
07-06-2002, 01:13 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">You don't just see record companies going like, "Well you sound like shit, but we'll sign you cause maybe later on you'll be good."</font>

that's because, in part, their reacting to the ADD culture of short attention spans. And its too bad to because bands like Pink Floyd and Rush were allowed to develop for a few albums and those days are gone.

So do we blame fans the like the ones who slag Ketamine in this thread, or the labels catering to the ADD freaks and not pushing for something better musically?

i.m.1.as.u.r.3
07-06-2002, 02:44 AM
Omega, it is possible for a band to just plain suck, ya know................ even if they are playin pumpkins

BeautifulLoser
07-06-2002, 03:58 AM
Aah... Good Ol' Netphoria

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