Just got back from a QotSA concert last night and I could barely stand the crowd on the front of the floor for about 5 songs before just watching the rest from the balcony.

My wife and I are going to the fillmore and hoping to be close, but I don't want her to get crushed to death or flung around like a rag doll. She's way too tiny to handle it. Have the Filmore crowds been relatively easy on the shoving/moshing/surging?

Every pumpkins/zwan show I've ever been to has been just fine, but every place is a little different. After last night, I feel it's a good idea to check.

well, considering crowds suck these days.....and most people are socially inept retards who have been so sterilized from the internet they don't know how to loosen up and have a good time, i think you and your wife will be just fine.

and most people are socially inept retards who have been so sterilized from the internet they don't know how to loosen up and have a good time

Just to be clear, what are you implying here?

Just got back from a QotSA concert last night and I could barely stand the crowd on the front of the floor for about 5 songs before just watching the rest from the balcony.

My wife and I are going to the fillmore and hoping to be close, but I don't want her to get crushed to death or flung around like a rag doll. She's way too tiny to handle it. Have the Filmore crowds been relatively easy on the shoving/moshing/surging?

Every pumpkins/zwan show I've ever been to has been just fine, but every place is a little different. After last night, I feel it's a good idea to check.

I went with my wife on 7/22 and we stood dead in the center about 10 feet back from the stage and all was well. I was concerned too because we went to Coheed and Cambria about 9 mos. ago and they played with Avenged Sevenfold and my wife was getting crushed and tossed around during the A7X show, and we weren't even THAT close. We were like 30 ft back. I've been attending concerts like that for a long time and even I was feeling the squeeze and wanted out. Normally I wouldn't care but as I'm sure you're aware, being there with your wife changes everything...

I've been attending concerts like that for a long time and even I was feeling the squeeze and wanted out. Normally I wouldn't care but as I'm sure you're aware, being there with your wife changes everything...

exactly. I was alright last night, but it got to be a bit much at times and I couldn't help but think about her being flung around like that. She's like 105 and tiny.

my wife and i will be attending the St.Paul TSP and we're much more interested in the musical experience of the whole thing than the interpersonal social cohesion/energy ... thus the balcony seats.

i understand where you're coming from though, we went to zwan at normal when qotsa opened and ... it was definitely disconcerting for both of us as representative/responsible/concerned for the other member of the couple.

The Fillmore crowds have been extremely mellow every night. The worst you'll get is a a guy pushing his way in front of you, and most of the time, security kicks his ass out.

thanks everyone for the info.

You two have a good time, Colin. Tell Sadie I say hello.

i say get a real wife brah. if she's under 180 lbs and can't hold her own in the pit, then she's not worth making a wife. s'what i've always said

while I'm not a fan of feeling like a sardine, I strive off a good dance pit or mosh pit... it saddens me beyond belief that the crowd is mellow.

well, the pumpkins aren't exactly hardcore or metal... they rock, no doubt. but not enough to start a pit. but then again, i was at some festival once, and kids were moshing to hootie and the blowfish.

i guess it takes all kinds.

ps: skinny puppy are still the greatest.

but then again, i was at some festival once, and kids were moshing to hootie and the blowfish.

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:Skeptical :think: :confused: :erm: :noway:

edit: :( :cry: the crying one seemed to ostentatious but oh well

yeah, it was pretty sad. i notice there's no "weeping" emoticon, unfortunately.

that's pensacola, florida for ya.

I went with my wife on 7/22 and we stood dead in the center about 10 feet back from the stage and all was well.
i must have been REALLY close to you, yea but the crwd was basically ok except for that drunk idiot who kept throwing beer around

The Fillmore security staff have been extremely observant of the crowd and have not allowed any rowdiness... you'll be fine.

Yeah, there is basically a no moshing/pushing policy that is defintely enforced. Geo will gladly handle it, he puts his head-cracking gloves on everynight.

I know it's no metal or hardcore show, BUT... I'd love to jump around and maybe crowd surf. I've seen videos of people going crazy during the mid 90's to SP, and was hoping that would occur at the fillmore.

You're going to a rock gig man. This is not BALLET ffs...If you get knocked about, you get knocked about. Don't be surprised and don't moan if you do. If you're THAT concerned just stay back and enjoy the view...

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Just to be clear, what are you implying here?

not implying anything....just stating a fact. i'm not dissing any one group of people, just making a social commentary.

crowds were more rowdy during in-between PA music in the 90's than they are DURING headliners today. the last couple Tool shows I saw, the crowd was pathetic. Even NIN crowds are getting tamer and tamer and tamer....

when someone gives you a dirty look for barley rubbing arms, it makes me want to fucking puke. the whole concept of a general admission concert has been ruined, imo.

and i'm not supporting violent meat-head moshing either...i'm just talking about movement and a sense of "togetherness" all the while preserving the spirit of "good fun", crowd surfing, jumping around senselessly and anything else that helps fans LOSE THEMSELVES to the music.

head bobbing and toe-tapping should be done at home in front of the computer. someone on here made a comment once that with how good the recording quality is these days, there is no more need to go to shows. that attitude is what i'm talking about...it misses the point completely.

go watch the crowd during the performance of Today on Vieuphoria and you'll know see what i mean.

crowds were more rowdy during in-between PA music in the 90's than they are DURING headliners today. the last couple Tool shows I saw, the crowd was pathetic. Even NIN crowds are getting tamer and tamer and tamer....

well...we were like between 15 and 25 back when these bands were peaking

i don't think age matters. it was an all ages affair in the 90's, so why not now? it didn't really have anythign to do with how long you've been listening to the material, but rather how much you could lose yourself to the experience of the live show.

its the same situation for new bands as well as old bands. interpol, bloc party, velvet revolver, rise against, explosions in the sky, silversun pickups, secret machines...same shit in regards to the crowd's energy level.

i'm not saying because its an old band...im saying because their fan base was that age THEN. we are a bit older now...

It's strange watching a song like Superchrist with the audience standing still. I'm not saying we have to mosh anymore, but people could get a little more into it.

i'm not saying because its an old band...im saying because their fan base was that age THEN. we are a bit older now...

i dunno man...if BC & JC can still rock at 40 & 43...i don't think its too much to ask some people to move around a bit who are in their upper 20's and early 30's. and besides, there's tons of teenagers at shows still.

i agree though...i was totally involved physically at the fillmore on the 22nd...but, in respect to those around me i wasnt goin apeshit like i imagine i would have done ten years ago, when everyone else would have been doin the same

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not implying anything....just stating a fact. i'm not dissing any one group of people, just making a social commentary.

crowds were more rowdy during in-between PA music in the 90's than they are DURING headliners today. the last couple Tool shows I saw, the crowd was pathetic. Even NIN crowds are getting tamer and tamer and tamer....

when someone gives you a dirty look for barley rubbing arms, it makes me want to fucking puke. the whole concept of a general admission concert has been ruined, imo.

and i'm not supporting violent meat-head moshing either...i'm just talking about movement and a sense of "togetherness" all the while preserving the spirit of "good fun", crowd surfing, jumping around senselessly and anything else that helps fans LOSE THEMSELVES to the music.

head bobbing and toe-tapping should be done at home in front of the computer. someone on here made a comment once that with how good the recording quality is these days, there is no more need to go to shows. that attitude is what i'm talking about...it misses the point completely.

go watch the crowd during the performance of Today on Vieuphoria and you'll know see what i mean.


exacly!

I agree that crowds could stand to get a bit more excited. At the first Fillmore show, there was a push during Bullet and surprisingly Tonight, Tonight, where the front rows got a little crammed, but not major.

The best was during Zero I think the 3rd night. Suddenly it was a massive surge. The front was totally smashed. Not saying I want to be like that during the whole show, but it is kinda fun for a mere 2 minutes of Zero.

My neck hurts just from headbanging to United States while listening to the album on Monday. That feeling will return on 7/30 when I return to the Fillmore!

My neck hurts just from headbanging to United States while listening to the album on Monday. That feeling will return on 7/30 when I return to the Fillmore!


so you went to the first show and now you're going back for one of the last ones? thats pretty fucking cool.

God, it's fucking sad to read that people would get "kicked out" for moshing. What a bunch of geriatric shit! I grew up watching crowds jump around/mosh, and did so myself at every decently energized rock concert that I have ever attened--that's the absolute norm for "rock concert behavior" as far as I'm concerned. And this is coming from a small, shortish female who knows exactly how to handle herself in the pit!

FYI, most moshers--especially in smaller venues with more dedicated crowds--aren't insane and out for blood. That's what the weirdos and drunks do. And a majority of the "moshers" consider such people obnoxious assholes as well. (They're usually painfully obvious because they won't settle down even when the moshers give them nasty, disapproving glares. And they usually get removed.) It should also be noted that the "moshing" death of that poor girl in Dublin at an SP show wasn't due to "moshing" itself--it was due to the poorly controlled nature of a giant crowd at a huge festival, which really just turned into a mob completely unconcious of what was really going on around them.

mob completely unconcious of what was really going on around them.


decent description of many moshers

At "huge" concerts, yeah. But at the smaller venues, people are usually a lot cooler about the people around them.

if you ever mosh within 3 feet of me, i swear to god i will stab you

so you went to the first show and now you're going back for one of the last ones? thats pretty fucking cool.

Went for first 3. Going back for last 3! Wasn't originally how I planned it, but it's sorta how the ticketmaster situation landed

have fun out there, the Fillmore is great!

I elbowed someone at the 7/18 show for conitinually trying to get in front of me, and i wasn't kicked out. Thier was zero moshing though just some freindly up down jumpin you'll be fine.

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not implying anything....just stating a fact. i'm not dissing any one group of people, just making a social commentary.

crowds were more rowdy during in-between PA music in the 90's than they are DURING headliners today. the last couple Tool shows I saw, the crowd was pathetic. Even NIN crowds are getting tamer and tamer and tamer....

when someone gives you a dirty look for barley rubbing arms, it makes me want to fucking puke. the whole concept of a general admission concert has been ruined, imo.

and i'm not supporting violent meat-head moshing either...i'm just talking about movement and a sense of "togetherness" all the while preserving the spirit of "good fun", crowd surfing, jumping around senselessly and anything else that helps fans LOSE THEMSELVES to the music.

head bobbing and toe-tapping should be done at home in front of the computer. someone on here made a comment once that with how good the recording quality is these days, there is no more need to go to shows. that attitude is what i'm talking about...it misses the point completely.

go watch the crowd during the performance of Today on Vieuphoria and you'll know see what i mean.

Thanks for clarifying. I knew there was some good stuff there - just had to ask the right question. I agree with you in essence. At the QotSA concert, I wanted to jump around just let my body jive with the rock, but I couldn't because I was to terrified of being in the air and then being knocked sideways by some idiot.

With the pumpkins specifically, I find that I just want to focus on everything - music / the band / the way they play / the details. In order to do that, I can't be jumping around too much. So, I think there is a balance. On the one hand, everyone paid to be there and has a right to experience the show how they want. On the other hand, it's a freaking rock concert and there are obviously going to be some people rocking out. So as long as the rocking out respects other people's right to enjoy the music how they want, I'm totally cool with it.

billy talks about moshing on one of the double door boots. basically says "moshing was great. but when you see it in miller lite commercials and the new offspring video, you know it's ceased to become an act of spontaneity."

which i sort of agree with.

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not implying anything....just stating a fact. i'm not dissing any one group of people, just making a social commentary.

crowds were more rowdy during in-between PA music in the 90's than they are DURING headliners today. the last couple Tool shows I saw, the crowd was pathetic. Even NIN crowds are getting tamer and tamer and tamer....

when someone gives you a dirty look for barley rubbing arms, it makes me want to fucking puke. the whole concept of a general admission concert has been ruined, imo.

and i'm not supporting violent meat-head moshing either...i'm just talking about movement and a sense of "togetherness" all the while preserving the spirit of "good fun", crowd surfing, jumping around senselessly and anything else that helps fans LOSE THEMSELVES to the music.

head bobbing and toe-tapping should be done at home in front of the computer. someone on here made a comment once that with how good the recording quality is these days, there is no more need to go to shows. that attitude is what i'm talking about...it misses the point completely.

go watch the crowd during the performance of Today on Vieuphoria and you'll know see what i mean.
i don't know man, i think age does make a big difference. at this point in my life i really don't want to be crushed, smacked, hit in the head by someone crowd surfing etc.. i can have a great time just fine without all that shit.
i see what you're saying though. i hate it too when people just stand there in a daze and are totally unresponsive. but i think there is a happy medium. or maybe older people should just stay out of the pit. ha.
but the last time i was in front for a pumpkins show it was during the arising tour and we were just crushed up front for the entire show. couldn't move, hard to breathe, etc.. i don't know if thats common or what anymore but back then i didn't care as much because it was just great to see the original lineup. and it was a great show. but i'd probably just rather chill in the balcony from now on.