View Full Version : Most Technically Difficult SP Solo?


Stearnsie
04-26-2002, 09:09 PM
I would suppose the obvious choices are Starla and Drown, but me not being a guitar guru... would anyone else have any opinions about the most difficult solo to play?

Aeroplane
04-26-2002, 09:28 PM
maybe not hard, but Zero and XYU sure are weird

Crono
04-26-2002, 09:37 PM
I've heard tell that Bury Me has a pretty difficult solo...


PauL

Sacred Age Of Innocence
04-26-2002, 09:41 PM
Bury Me for sure!!

I love playing it but it isn't easy!

pale_princess
04-26-2002, 09:45 PM
cinnamon girl!

NegaBenji
04-26-2002, 09:52 PM
About 30 people are going to come in here and shout 'Geek USA!!1!' because bolly made them stoppen ze cuppen with it. I think Bury Me's definitely up there, what with the modal changes and the fast harmonics

smiling politely
04-26-2002, 10:24 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Stearnsie:
I would suppose the obvious choices are Starla and Drown, but me not being a guitar guru... would anyone else have any opinions about the most difficult solo to play?</font>

What's so hard about the Drown solo? Like, I can even play it so that it sounds recognisable, which means that it's probably easy as hell. Is there some technique or something you're supposed to use that I don't know about?

Or were you talking about that stupid feedback?<font color=black>


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Stearnsie
04-26-2002, 10:42 PM
As I said, I'm not really a guitar player, but listening to the Drown solo... I've never heard a guitar sound like that before. So, I would've assumed it was pretty hard. Maybe I'm wrong.

NegaBenji
04-26-2002, 11:07 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Stearnsie:
As I said, I'm not really a guitar player, but listening to the Drown solo... I've never heard a guitar sound like that before. So, I would've assumed it was pretty hard. Maybe I'm wrong.</font>

Well there's more to a solo than getting the right notes in order, it's the way you play them too. Recognizable is one thing, but pulling it off faithfully is a little harder. But no, Drown isn't a particularily complex one

Smiley
04-27-2002, 02:25 AM
Some people will say the Starla solo, but I think that's cheating... because that all improvisation. Trying to copy it exactly would be silly... Billy didn't even copy the studio version of the solo when playing it live.

Anyway... I'm not very good at guitar yet, but I tried playing along to most of the Siamese Dream solos today, while looking at the tab book. I was able to do cheap imitations of Soma, Cherub Rock, and Quiet... but there's no way I could even imagine doing the Geek USA solo.

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Marquis667
04-27-2002, 06:14 AM
OF COURSE ITS GEEK USA!!!1,
Thats THE ONE SOLO EVAR!
takes alot of skill
but I'm almost there...
practice, just practice...

Marquis667
04-27-2002, 06:20 AM
and stoppen ze throwen ze cuppen

Jesus Is Me
04-27-2002, 06:31 PM
I subscribe to billy's theory on soloing, which is to never attempt to copy somebody elses solo, cuz it just won't work...thats my 2 cents in case you're an aspiring player or something...it's helped me alot

eternalone
04-29-2002, 01:01 AM
Bolly saved his best solo for the end...Untitled is hard as heck!

Vassago Stolos
04-29-2002, 01:07 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
Some people will say the Starla solo, but I think that's cheating... because that all improvisation. Trying to copy it exactly would be silly... Billy didn't even copy the studio version of the solo when playing it live.</font>

Forgive me if i'm mistaken - it's been a while since i've heard a version of this song live - but UC 2000-11-29 sounded like he was trying to get pretty close from what i remember http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Moonchild
04-29-2002, 12:03 PM
The best solo by the pumpkins for me is the one in "For Martha". That solo kicks ass!!!

I don't know if it's their best 'technically', though...

Mathboy
04-29-2002, 10:21 PM
Basically, with the Pumpkins, the most difficult is gonna be whatever is the fastest. A lot of the time the cool sounding stuff just comes from held, bent notes, which are pretty easy to play, and it's not like Billy is into crazy Satriani stuff or Van Halen fingertapping.

So you've got Soma and Geek USA up there, cause they've both got superfast runs in there, and Untitled seems like it would be a bitch to try and pull off, too. Then there's Starla, just because it'd be hard to string all that stuff together. I haven't gotten to the point where I'm trying to bring off Gish stuff, either -- most of that sounds pretty rough, though I haven't sat down with a tab and tried to go through it, so it could be easier than it sounds. But that's sort of my take -- guess I didn't have a lot to contribute, after all.

MonteLDS
04-29-2002, 11:45 PM
disarm :-P

NegativeSleep
04-29-2002, 11:58 PM
<FONT COLOR="gray">The solos in Nothing and Everything sound like a bitch to play ... there are some insane runs in that one, unless it's some trickery I'm unfamiliar with.

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NegaBenji
04-30-2002, 01:02 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by NegativeSleep:
<FONT COLOR="gray">The solos in Nothing and Everything sound like a bitch to play ... there are some insane runs in that one, unless it's some trickery I'm unfamiliar with.

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IT'S A DELAY PEDAL!!!

why does no-one see this? :/

VegasPumpkin
04-30-2002, 02:41 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by NegaBenji:
IT'S A DELAY PEDAL!!!

why does no-one see this? :/</font>

have you heard the Nothing + Everything live version that was a bonus on the RTS or see the clip in full circle from the on the cable show in 88 or 89. There is no delay. That is by far the hardest solo. Thats when Billy was listening to Yngwie Malmsteen too much.

paranoid
04-30-2002, 04:35 PM
the solo in jackie blue. the licks! dear god the licks!

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smashingjj
05-02-2002, 03:14 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by NegativeSleep:
<FONT COLOR="gray">The solos in Nothing and Everything sound like a bitch to play ... there are some insane runs in that one, unless it's some trickery I'm unfamiliar with.</font>

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first thing I noticed when I first heard that song. it sounds a bit like a metallica solo.

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Johnny Zoloft
05-02-2002, 10:35 PM
the solo in Fuck You is kinda difficult to pull off cause it's so damn fast.

and i think one of the most "technical" solos has to be all that shit from Glass and the Ghost Children.

no shit.

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liquid slide
05-03-2002, 03:00 PM
billy said that the solo for zero was planned meticulously beforehand, and that it took like 3 hours to set up the right distortion.
also, it's not hard but billy had to do like 30 takes of the quiet solo to get the feedback just right.

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hereisnowhy
05-03-2002, 03:07 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by paranoid:
the solo in jackie blue. the licks! dear god the licks!

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Most underrated solo ever.

Jesus Is Me
05-03-2002, 08:37 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by liquid slide:
billy said that the solo for zero was planned meticulously beforehand, and that it took like 3 hours to set up the right distortion.
also, it's not hard but billy had to do like 30 takes of the quiet solo to get the feedback just right.

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i thought james did that one...am i wrong?

liquid slide
05-03-2002, 10:25 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jesus Is Me:
i thought james did that one...am i wrong?</font> if you're talking about the zero one, you are correct, as for quiet, i am 100% certain it was billy



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Hazza
05-04-2002, 06:58 AM
live, James plays the Zero solo, so doesn't that mean he recorded it in the studio.

in a sound board recording of the vancover 97, James is right and bolly is left, and as the right channel has a wah, and the channel on the left starts zero and plays the TAFH Solo yadda yadda.

Nothing/everything
05-04-2002, 03:46 PM
I'm not a guitar guru either, but: Alabaster?

Nate the Grate
05-04-2002, 04:24 PM
...Tristessa?

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NegaBenji
05-04-2002, 05:03 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Nate the Grate:
...Tristessa?

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Nah, there's a couple of alternating note parts and some fast slurs, but it's not too bad

NegaBenji
05-04-2002, 10:48 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by VegasPumpkin:
have you heard the Nothing + Everything live version that was a bonus on the RTS or see the clip in full circle from the on the cable show in 88 or 89. There is no delay. That is by far the hardest solo. Thats when Billy was listening to Yngwie Malmsteen too much. </font>

I listened to that version and uh... point very much taken

ZackZ
05-05-2002, 03:39 PM
sigh.. Why is it that most Pumpkin's fans suck/no nothing about guitar? Most SP solos are straight pentatonic. As for the most dificult...Geek USA comes to mind. The last run on that isn't pentatonic. It's more of a Yngwie Malmsteen type classical run. The Fuck You solo is mostly bullshit with tons of distortion. Nothing and Everything is pretty fast and dificult as well. Bury Me is not that hard and does not have any harmonics unlike what someone said earlier. It's straight pentatonic with a key shift. Goes from F to A I think.

NegaBenji
05-05-2002, 04:28 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ZackZ:
Bury Me is not that hard and does not have any harmonics unlike what someone said earlier. It's straight pentatonic with a key shift. Goes from F to A I think. </font>

The shift is right after the non-existant harmonics O_o

'F to A I think?' Thanks for the schooling, Maestro

ZackZ
05-05-2002, 09:00 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by NegaBenji:
The shift is right after the non-existant harmonics O_o

'F to A I think?' Thanks for the schooling, Maestro</font>

Ok, I listened to it again, and it has one fucking pinch harmonic note. So techincally, you were wrong in saying "harmonics". The whole solo sounds like Billy was playing through a wah on full trebble, so a lot of notes sound pretty harsh.

NegaBenji
05-06-2002, 01:26 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ZackZ:
Ok, I listened to it again, and it has one fucking pinch harmonic note. So techincally, you were wrong in saying "harmonics". The whole solo sounds like Billy was playing through a wah on full trebble, so a lot of notes sound pretty harsh.

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Yeah one note, many times at high speed - ergo, harmonics plural. Tell you what, post up an mp3 of yourself pulling that solo off, and we'll all kiss your ass, m'kay?

ZackZ
05-06-2002, 03:44 PM
That's tremolo picking you dumbshit.

Here is my version of the solo. It was recorded on a 2 dollar condensor mic.

http://www.geocities.com/dunnforheisman/bury2.wav

Right click, "Save As...."

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NegaBenji
05-06-2002, 04:37 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ZackZ:
That's tremolo picking you dumbshit.

Here is my version of the solo. It was recorded on a 2 dollar condensor mic.

http://www.geocities.com/dunnforheisman/bury2.wav

Right click, "Save As...."

[This message has been edited by ZackZ (edited 05-06-2002).]</font>

Although you're obviously a talented guitarist, that really sounds nothing like the real solo. You don't ascend high enough in the first fast run, and you're just not playing the same melody after the harmonics. So either you can't play it, or you just never really listened to it in the first place. I'm guessing it's more the latter

ZackZ
05-06-2002, 05:12 PM
Ya so I didn't match it note for note. I basically just played it in the same key. But this wasn't about if I could play the solo exactly right, it was about harmonics. The fast part is TREMOLO PICKING, NOT HARMONICS. Read a book......

NegaBenji
05-06-2002, 06:25 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ZackZ:
Ya so I didn't match it note for note. I basically just played it in the same key. But this wasn't about if I could play the solo exactly right, it was about harmonics. The fast part is TREMOLO PICKING, NOT HARMONICS. Read a book......</font>

Actually this thread was about 'most technically difficult solo,' and you were supposed to play the solo to prove it wasn't hard. Playing in the same key proves nothing (and you didn't even do that, since you didn't match the key changes). Tremolo picking is the picking technique, the harmonics come from the fretting technique - so you're tremolo picking harmonics. Anything else you need clearing up?

ZackZ
05-06-2002, 06:31 PM
You are truly fucking stupid. There are two basic types of harmonics which I will refer to as pinch harmonics and natural harmonics. The pinch harmonic technique involves one "pinching" the string as they pick will fully fretting a note. This causes the harmonic to sound for whichever note you are fretting at the time. Natural harmonics involves NO FRETTING. One places their finger above a desired fret WITHOUT pressing the string down. The string is struck with the pick as normal, and a harmonic sounds. NEITHER of these techniques are involved in the solo for Bury Me. I don't think it would even be possible to tremolo pick and do pinch harmonics, and you can OBVIOUSLY tell that natural harmonics are not use. Therefor, YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON. I suggest you take back your Fender Squire and Gorilla amp and take up a new hobby, like buttfucking your mom you stupid piece of shit.

NegaBenji
05-06-2002, 06:59 PM
<img src=http://negabenji.homestead.com/files/noshit.jpg width=273 height=239>

When I said 'fret', I was talking about the positioning of your finger on the string so as to cause a particular note to sound - I didn't think you'd be so asinine as to think I was talking about natural harmonics. But hey - thanks for trying to divert the thread away from the fact that you can't actually play this 'not that hard' solo. If you're gonna talk shit be prepared to back it up.

paranoid
05-07-2002, 03:44 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by NegaBenji:
If you're gonna talk shit be prepared to back it up.</font>

w3rd.

er... this dude just taught us the basics! oh dear god no!

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Siamese Dreamer
05-08-2002, 12:03 AM
Geek Usa the fast part

hands down... and the feed back solo after that

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QuizzyJones
05-08-2002, 11:52 PM
are we forgetting soma I know alot of it is just bends held but the the trills towards the middle of the solo and the constant changing of strings.

bonsor
05-12-2002, 05:03 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by QuizzyJones:
are we forgetting soma I know alot of it is just bends held but the the trills towards the middle of the solo and the constant changing of strings.</font> Starla is not a difficult solo at all. All you need for that song is a chorus pedal, a wah pedal and your overdrive gain on 10. Once you have that, jacking off on your guitar would probably emulate the sound pretty well.

NegaBenji
05-12-2002, 07:11 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ******:
Starla is not a difficult solo at all. All you need for that song is a chorus pedal, a wah pedal and your overdrive gain on 10. Once you have that, jacking off on your guitar would probably emulate the sound pretty well.

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psst soma

RuseOfFools
05-13-2002, 01:58 AM
none of the solo's are that hard to play if you learn them,it help's if your good at guitar and have a good ear and then you have to have the effect corgan uses like on the solo to cherubrock he uses a electro harmonix synth.

NegaBenji
05-13-2002, 02:30 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RuseOfFools:
none of the solo's are that hard to play if you learn them,it help's if your good at guitar and have a good ear and then you have to have the effect corgan uses like on the solo to cherubrock he uses a electro harmonix synth.</font>

Man the revelations are coming thick and fast today.

Rens
05-13-2002, 02:45 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RuseOfFools:
none of the solo's are that hard to play if you learn them,it help's if your good at guitar and have a good ear and then you have to have the effect corgan uses like on the solo to cherubrock he uses a electro harmonix synth.</font>

wow, really? damn, that's why I couldn't nail those solos!

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bonsor
05-15-2002, 03:02 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by NegaBenji:
psst soma</font>
stars with s. ends with a. same thing.

RuseOfFools
05-16-2002, 05:37 AM
Zach is correct here.Corgan dont even play the solo exactly the same as the record when in concert,close but not perfect and if you are cover the song it's your interpretation of the song not a fucking straight copy of it.I think only me and zach are worth a damn anymore on this board,every one else is dumb and cant play the geetar....

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NegaBenji
05-17-2002, 09:30 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RuseOfFools:
Zach is correct here.Corgan dont even play the solo exactly the same as the record when in concert,close but not perfect and if you are cover the song it's your interpretation of the song not a fucking straight copy of it.I think only me and zach are worth a damn anymore on this board,every one else is dumb and cant play the geetar....

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You're an idiot

darkagency
05-17-2002, 11:18 PM
Alot of those solos are not so much technacly difficult as geating the right combo of effects that he uses