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the very best fan
04-30-2002, 11:05 PM
I am always hearing about how james and billy hate each others guts and that was one of the causes of the sp breakup. but is it true. do they really hate each other. or are they just going seperate ways. i mean james said to be that much into music anymore is sad. and he's so serious about fasion now. as if thats any better. but i heard billy say once a few weeks before the break up announcement that "james is doing great and is in love and he is my best friend."

GlassDreams
04-30-2002, 11:08 PM
Well, if you're the very best fan, you should know without having to ask any of us.

Age Of Empathy
04-30-2002, 11:14 PM
From the Graceful Swans of Never documentary: "James and D'arcy were the closest among the band memnbers"

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the very best fan
04-30-2002, 11:19 PM
yeah but when he said this darcy was no longer in the band. i am the very best fan (in anartica)

Smiley
04-30-2002, 11:25 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">but i heard billy say once a few weeks before the break up announcement that "james is doing great and is in love and he is my best friend."</font>

do you happen to remember when/where he said that? I'm just curious.

In the 11/28/00 interview, Billy said something about how Jimmy and him are closely connected musically, and he's never had such a close musical connection with anyone in his life. I couldn't help but feel bad for James when I heard him say that. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif

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Mayfuck
04-30-2002, 11:56 PM
Ahem...you guys...

jamesey
05-01-2002, 12:41 AM
i swear i didnt type in smashingpumpkins.com and click on messagebaord...how did i end up reading this

Smiley
05-01-2002, 01:40 AM
yeah, wait a minute... what the hell is wrong with me?!

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jackboot7
05-01-2002, 03:45 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
yeah, wait a minute... what the hell is wrong with me?!

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Agreed...

Rock on...

Age Of Empathy
05-01-2002, 01:02 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by the very best fan:
yeah but when he said this darcy was no longer in the band. i am the very best fan (in anartica) </font>

Oh wait sorry, I thought the topic was D'arcy and James hate each other. As for Billy and James I don't really know, obviously they had some problems in the Siamese Dream era, but other then that, I'm not sure.

Billy and Jimmy are more alike I think. In the 11/28/00 interview Billy was saying James and Melissa called all the practicing they were doing "torture", but Billy and Jimmy enjoy it.

Aeroplane
05-01-2002, 02:41 PM
James said it was Billy driving the breakup, but that he was more than willing to keep going if Billy wanted to. So . . . whatever. WTF?

pale_princess
05-01-2002, 04:15 PM
i believe there is more to it than we will ever know but the certain thing is that james wasnt getting very much creative freedom in the pumpkins...

Civic Mice
05-01-2002, 05:32 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by pale_princess:
i believe there is more to it than we will ever know but the certain thing is that james wasnt getting very much creative freedom in the pumpkins...</font>

It's a shame James didn't use more of his own stuff for the Pumpkins. I'm sure Billy would've put a hell of a solo in Country Girl.

Graveflower
05-02-2002, 10:46 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by pale_princess:
i believe there is more to it than we will ever know but the certain thing is that james wasnt getting very much creative freedom in the pumpkins...</font>

This might be because his songs and voice sucked.

Aeroplane
05-02-2002, 11:17 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Graveflower:
This might be because his songs and voice sucked.</font>

What? Billy's voice is great?

Vassago Stolos
05-02-2002, 11:53 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Graveflower:
This might be because his songs and voice sucked.</font>

Did you ever hear Summer? He sings fine.

GlassDreams
05-02-2002, 12:58 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Graveflower:
This might be because his songs and voice sucked.</font>

Well, his songs sucked for sure. And he didn't get much creative input because it wasn't his band. And the stuff he did write just didn't work for the Pumpkins.

the very best fan
05-02-2002, 03:59 PM
i think when billy and james sexual conduct or contact connection ended it was kind of awkward for them to be around each other. espeacially when james and yelena caught billy with jimmy at the 4-44-00 concert on yelenas birthday. thats when all the shit started to happen shortly after that the breakup announcement was announced.

pale_princess
05-02-2002, 04:08 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GlassDreams:
it wasn't his band. </font>

... dont fucking get me started...

Electro
05-02-2002, 04:24 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by the very best fan:
i think when billy and james sexual conduct or contact connection ended it was kind of awkward for them to be around each other. espeacially when james and yelena caught billy with jimmy at the 4-44-00 concert on yelenas birthday. thats when all the shit started to happen shortly after that the breakup announcement was announced. </font>

so billy is a queer?

Digital Grey
05-02-2002, 04:46 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Graveflower:
This might be because his songs and voice sucked.</font>

Presto. IMO blew away is great, but you could definitly take out every other 'james only' track from the pumpkins catalogue without getting me to flinch. I would actually be all for that.

/Max

Graveflower
05-02-2002, 08:16 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Aeroplane:
What? Billy's voice is great?</font>

A lot better than james'. His voice is basically perfect for the songs he makes: lite 70's pop. Bleh.

Graveflower
05-02-2002, 08:17 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Digital Grey:
Presto. IMO blew away is great, but you could definitly take out every other 'james only' track from the pumpkins catalogue without getting me to flinch. I would actually be all for that.

/Max</font>

Well he did co-write Soma, Mayonaise, and I Am One. He's not all bad. And Believe was really good.

lily1only
05-02-2002, 11:54 PM
its hard not to biased against billy when one loves james.

hiddenplace
05-02-2002, 11:54 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Electro:
so billy is a queer?

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i think he's joking..

pale_princess
05-03-2002, 11:51 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by lily1only:
its hard not to biased against billy when one loves james.</font>


and it's hard not to perceive tsp as a BAND when one is a b0llyb0pper...

Aeroplane
05-03-2002, 12:40 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Graveflower:
A lot better than james'. His voice is basically perfect for the songs he makes: lite 70's pop. Bleh.</font>

agreed

liquid slide
05-03-2002, 02:03 PM
yeah certain songs like go and the boy are just made for james's voice, especially take me down. i didn't like his voice on 'a night like this' tho

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Kumar Littlejeans
05-03-2002, 11:14 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by the very best fan:
i think when billy and james sexual conduct or contact connection ended it was kind of awkward for them to be around each other. espeacially when james and yelena caught billy with jimmy at the 4-44-00 concert on yelenas birthday. thats when all the shit started to happen shortly after that the breakup announcement was announced. </font>


Best post ever.

Jesus Is Me
05-03-2002, 11:16 PM
Billy Corgan buys a piece of the Gold Coast

Ten months after selling his Victorian painted lady mansion in Lake View for $1 million, former Smashing Pumpkins lead singer and chief songwriter Billy Corgan has paid $2.95 million for a recently renovated, historic six-room condominium on the Gold Coast.

After disbanding the Smashing Pumpkins, Corgan formed a new group, Zwan, which is playing three sold-out shows at the Double Door this weekend.

Through his tour manager, Corgan declined to comment on the purchase of the two-bedroom condo. His tour manager confirmed that the singer-songwriter recently has been staying at the condo while rehearsing for Zwan's current tour, but said the Chicago-area native ultimately intends to lease the condo in a 110-year-old building to someone else. The unit has an oak-paneled living room, reception room, balcony framed by granite columns, four fireplaces, walnut parquet floors and a large terrace.

Corgan has shown an affinity for vintage properties. After moving out of the more than 100-year-old Lake View home at 3448 N. Greenview Ave., which he owned from 1993 to 2001, Corgan temporarily stayed in a penthouse in the Haberdasher Square loft development, 728 W. Jackson Blvd., a former manufacturing building that dates to 1926. And in 2000, the Landmarks Preservation Council of Illinois awarded Corgan its President's Award for his commitment to historic preservation.

Since Corgan sold his Lake View home, one Smashing Pumpkins Web site reported that he has been living in Italy, but in interviews he has declined any comment on his permanent residence.

Singer Courtney Love, whom Corgan dated many years ago, just sold her loft in downtown Manhattan for $3 million after buying it for $2.6 million in January 2001, according to the New York Post. The loft is in the same building where rocker Lenny Kravitz just listed his own, five-bedroom, 7,000-square-foot, multilevel loft for $16 million, after buying the space unfinished in October 2000 for $8 million, the Post reported.

Love also recently listed her almost 3,700-square-foot Spanish-style house on Los Angeles' Westside -- which she bought last June for $3 million -- for about the same price, according to the Los Angeles Times. Love reportedly is looking for another house in the area because her five-bedroom house, which was built in the 1920s, is too small.

Ironically, Love told the Times last year that she sold a four-bedroom, 4,700-square-foot French country-style house on almost 2 acres in the Hollywood Hills -- which she had purchased from Ellen DeGeneres in 1997 for about $3 million -- because she was planning to spend more time in New York and actually wanted something smaller in L.A. She sold the Hollywood Hills home for $3.995 million in March 2001 to British businessman Mike Walley. Love's former Hollywood Hills house made the news in November 2001, after Paul McCartney's fellow Beatle George Harrison died. After Harrison's representatives gave a bogus L.A. address on his death certificate, the county's district attorney revealed in February that Harrison actually had died at Walley's house.

Rocker Tom Petty has paid close to $2.5 million for a three-bedroom oceanfront home in Malibu, Calif., according to the Los Angeles Times. Built in 1974, the house has three fireplaces, Malibu tiles and a courtyard with a fountain, the paper reported ... Fred Durst, frontman for the rock group Limp Bizkit, has sold a house he never moved into in Bel Air, Calif., for $3.7 million because it had "vibes that were not quite correct for him," according to the Los Angeles Times. Last fall, Durst bought the four-bedroom, 6,600-square-foot house, which was once owned by the Doors' Robbie Krieger and has a carving of the Doors playing on one wall, for just under $4 million, the paper reported. Durst recently bought a house with a sound studio in L.A.'s Hollywood Hills, and has listed that home for $1.4 million, the Times reported.

liquid slide
05-03-2002, 11:31 PM
tidak bagus man, sudah habis

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