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Smiley
12-12-2001, 01:27 AM
So, I've heard that the 10/31/89 video and the My Dahlia rehearsal thing plus extras are all on one video... that's the Psycho video, right? I'm just wondering if anybody would post the full tracklisting to the video. I'm guessing that the two mp3 clips from zwanphoria.org (spiteface and breathe) are from the video, because I can't think of any other source. But even if they aren't, I was just wondering if anybody can shed some more light on this video. Or if anybody has any rumors, let's hear 'em. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

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monto
12-12-2001, 02:24 AM
doesn't completely answer your questions, but some interesting stuff...transcribed from DC hub chat yesterday

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Pmack> OK, look, this is the Real Deal here. I have nothing to do with that lame ass Zwanphoria
Pmack> That Spiteface clip is from the 1989 video; the date is unknown because the whole tape is full of assorted clips.
Pmack> This 1989 video is also the source of the unknwn She that's circulating, as well as the My Dahlia rehearsal.
Pmack> Also the source of 10.31.89
Pmack> I bought it from a girl who was close to the band in 1989. This girl is also the source of the "Ignoffo Tape".</font>

Smiley
12-12-2001, 03:50 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Pmack> That Spiteface clip is from the 1989 video; the date is unknown because the whole tape is full of assorted clips.
Pmack> This 1989 video is also the source of the unknwn She that's circulating, as well as the My Dahlia rehearsal.
Pmack> Also the source of 10.31.89</font>

See, if it's the same tape with 10/31/89, then that's 10 of the 15 songs right there. Unless the "15 songs" portion of the tape is separate from the concert. I guess that's the big question.

But whatever... let's see. Assuming 10 songs from that show... plus She, My Dahlia, and Spiteface. That only leaves two... not bad. I wonder if that cover of "I'm Free" by the Who is on there.

It seems like a lot of people don't really care about video bootlegs, so nobody ever talks about them. Like, everybody wants MP... but to me, I'd rather have some cool videos. There's the 1989 video, 4/23/99 video, FBS 1+2, and now I hear that there's a two-song promo video of the Marked?? Oh and isn't there a video of some S+P soundcheck? Come on people, let's gossip about leet videos... gossipping is what messageboards are for.

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StillBecomingApart
12-12-2001, 04:25 AM
Is that video with "Snail" (the one leaked out with jeroen?)

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monto
12-12-2001, 05:45 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by StillBecomingApart:
Is that video with "Snail" (the one leaked out with jeroen?)</font>i believe that was 90.08.25

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
4/23/99 video</font>boy how i'd love to see a copy of that, or any Arising! show for that matter. it's supposed to exist, listed on spfc and such, but i've never seen it on a bootlist. i remember searching through google AMSP archives and the only posts mentioned Ben Golomb as the taper, but alas, it's not listed on his list nor is he trading...

Vanity Must Die
12-12-2001, 07:56 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
See, if it's the same tape with 10/31/89, then that's 10 of the 15 songs right there. Unless the "15 songs" portion of the tape is separate from the concert. I guess that's the big question.

and now I hear that there's a two-song promo video of the Marked??
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Since the 1989-10-31 concert and the 15 misc live songs are listed as 2 seperate boots, I would assume that they are indeed two seperate boots.

2-song Marked promo? 'Video Marked'?

>Trent

List On Fork
12-12-2001, 08:20 AM
What does "FBS" stand for?

Andrew Fogelsong
12-12-2001, 10:07 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by monto:
i remember searching through google AMSP archives and the only posts mentioned Ben Golomb as the taper, but alas, it's not listed on his list nor is he trading...</font>

Of course it's not listed. He also has a few other things, one of which would excite most people(me anyways), but I don't trade video. He's engaged and soon to be married. That's what he told me the last time I emailed him, so it's safe to say he's gone. It's better to move on than stay around. I'll miss the guy. We traded many times...

Andrew

Jen Ever
12-12-2001, 10:33 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by List On Fork:
What does "FBS" stand for?</font>

It's "Funky Beat Society"... In the early 90's, when gangsta rap was starting to be the best new thing, the band released a few singles that made small waves in the rap world. That's how he hooked up with Puffy.. Funky Beat Society helped him out a few times quite a while ago, and Puffy wanted to return the favor.

Sadly, the band decided to drop that project, in part due to the stupid name.. Which was originally based on a lame joke during a few rounds of beers at Jimmy's house one night. D'arcy had said that it was impossible to think of a worse name than Smashing Pumpkins, and James proved her wrong.

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Vanity Must Die
12-12-2001, 11:10 AM
"Fruit Bat Salad I" & "Fruit Bat Salad II" are basically the tracklist of SD, only live SBD videos.

I think..

>Trent

Jeroen (Aagje)
12-12-2001, 11:14 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
Or if anybody has any rumors, let's hear 'em. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif</font>

IIRC, rumoured:
Jennifer Ever (live)
I'm Free (live)
The Crystal Ship (live)

My memory sucks.

The 15 tracks are separate from the 891031 show.

Be blissed
Jeroen


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Smiley
12-12-2001, 01:35 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Vanity Must Die:
"Fruit Bat Salad I" & "Fruit Bat Salad II" are basically the tracklist of SD, only live SBD videos.</font>

I don't know how accurate this is, but I'm told that FBS1 is a 2 hour video with songs from 6/9/92, 6/10/92, and 6/11/92 (mostly 6/10)... and FBS2 is the one that is the tracklist of SD, from various shows. And that they aren't really soundboard, but they are what people call "permission shot" so the sound is supposed to be pretty good. And I read some of that on AMSP somewhere a while back... I'm sure it can be found by searching.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jeroen (Aagje):
IIRC, rumoured:
Jennifer Ever (live)
I'm Free (live)
The Crystal Ship (live)</font>

See, I saw Jennifer Ever live and I'm Free on someone's bootlist... and I'm Free was listed as being VIDL, but Jennifer Ever was ANA? I think. And since these were both next to eachother with different source info, I thought that they couldn't both be from the same source. Maybe that's bad flawed logic on my part though.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by monto:
90.08.25</font>

Yeah, see... there's another one! And the Pulse Cable Access thing. There are a lot of leet videos out there, but most people don't seem to care. If there was more interest in them, then maybe we'd at least know what we're talking about. For example, I've always wondered if 8/25/90 is the video shown during the credits of Full Circle (because it's pro-shot Sookie Sookie at the Metro, 1990ish).

There don't seem to be many leet audio-only bootlegs left out there... maybe videos are the leetness of the future. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

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Andrew Fogelsong
12-12-2001, 02:17 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
There don't seem to be many leet audio-only bootlegs left out there... maybe videos are the leetness of the future. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif
</font>

How soon you forget MP and the SBDs.

Anti-Moan Gestapo
12-12-2001, 03:17 PM
Anyone wanna trade 8/25/90 for the Smashing Pumpkins Doco and 'Pink Floyd - Behind The Wall'?

I'll also throu in a copy of "20 years of Jethro Tull" to tempt you...

Richard D. James
12-12-2001, 03:48 PM
The 8.25.90 video is indeed the one that is shown at the end of Full Circle with Billy laughing about his shirt and Jimmy. It is a pro-shot video from I think about 3-4 cameras. The Sookie Sookie is great, but Razor is the real gem on that one.

-GK

Jeroen (Aagje)
12-12-2001, 03:57 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
The 8.25.90 video (...) The Sookie Sookie is great, but Razor is the real gem on that one.</font>

Hmmmm. Maybe something for the next NSPAA SHN fest? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

Be blissed
Jeroen
np frank bennett - and what I choose is my choice (what's a boy supposed to do-doobie-do-dooh!)

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They pound pumpkins not out of malice or recreation, but because they savor the gourds' slippery, seedy innards, their gold-orange skins and their firm yellow flesh as well. And they are happily ignorant of all wordplay about pumpkins and rock bands. (http://www6.cnn.com/US/9710/23/fringe/pumpkin.stomp/elephant.25.mov)

Smashing Pumpkins into Small Piles of Putrid Debris (http://www.gamersinn.com/library/arcade/?725): All the pumpkins of the world cower in fear again, as another Halloween approaches. As always, they are destined to be culinarily transformed into grotesque icons of a pagan tradition. Their only hope was to steal all of Earth's candles and take them away to the distant pumpkin planet, Pumpkinia.<font color=black>

[This message has been edited by Jeroen (Aagje) (edited 12-12-2001).]

Halteh
12-13-2001, 12:13 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
See, if it's the same tape with 10/31/89, then that's 10 of the 15 songs right there. Unless the "15 songs" portion of the tape is separate from the concert. I guess that's the big question.
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The video is a solid 2 hrs of music. so the to answer your question: it's 10/31/89 and prolly another 15 songs on top of that. starting with I'm Free ("who" cover) and than going into some other songs i cant even remember. Off the top of my head I would say the video sources songs from six different concerts and includes one Pulse Cable song and the My Dahlia garage/basement rehersal. It has a clip of Billy and Bob at Geraldo and 2 Geraldo interviews with 2 serial killers (the title?) and some goodies at the end. Songs I remember off the top of my head: Sun, Spiteface, I'm Free, Venus in Furs, Jen Ever, I am One, Rhino, There it Goes, she, I think the Chrystal Ship and blah blah blah. Maybe one of these days if I get bored enough i will check it out.

One key thing I do recal, which I bet a lotta ppl who have seen the video have never noticed, is at one point they break into Oui Henri but the tape cuts and goes to a different song. I thought that was cool.


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Smiley
12-13-2001, 12:29 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
(snip) </font>

Whoa, thanks! You definitely answered my question.

Billy and Bob at Geraldo... whoa.

I'd sell my soul to see that video. Any takers?

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Anti-Moan Gestapo
12-13-2001, 05:24 PM
Wow. I must say I'm disappointed. After my generous offer, I expected my inbox to be flooded.

In fact, not one offer.

Way to go, fucknuts.

eternyty
12-19-2001, 02:51 PM
Is anyone trading this material?

clairvoyance
12-19-2001, 04:25 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
The video is a solid 2 hrs of music. so the to answer your question: it's 10/31/89 and prolly another 15 songs on top of that. starting with I'm Free ("who" cover) and than going into some other songs i cant even remember. Off the top of my head I would say the video sources songs from six different concerts and includes one Pulse Cable song and the My Dahlia garage/basement rehersal. It has a clip of Billy and Bob at Geraldo and 2 Geraldo interviews with 2 serial killers (the title?) and some goodies at the end. Songs I remember off the top of my head: Sun, Spiteface, I'm Free, Venus in Furs, Jen Ever, I am One, Rhino, There it Goes, she, I think the Chrystal Ship and blah blah blah. Maybe one of these days if I get bored enough i will check it out.

One key thing I do recal, which I bet a lotta ppl who have seen the video have never noticed, is at one point they break into Oui Henri but the tape cuts and goes to a different song. I thought that was cool.

</font>


hey you. i emailed you with a nice lil trade offer a couple dayz ago. c'mon, click "respond". you know you want to. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif


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GhostChild
12-19-2001, 06:17 PM
leet videos

physco
fruit bat salad (I think this is getting around now)
10.22.91 (both sets shot with premission w/ back stage footage)
12.31.91 (shot with premission from balcony w/ back stage footage)
08.25.90 (SBD audio)
04.23.99 (AUD shot)

I think thats all thats really leet. There are things that are out there, but we may never get out hands on. At the Bridge School each year they have a history tent, and they play old shows. I watched the 97 SP sets there once, it was rather amazing. I asked how one could get a copy and the lady said I can't, but then said if I donated a rather large sum of money to the Bridge School, Neil could probably work something out. Also the Double Doors shows were shot by MTV...Viper Room was shot by Virgin, etc.

Also there is a guy that has 50+ full video from like 90 and on, but won't let them out. He is in the Milwaukee area I believe. Fruit Bat Salad was sourced from this guy, and I am guessing 10.22.91 was shot by him, since those are from Milwaukee. At the end of Fruit Bat Salad its says something like, "copyright 1994 Atomic Records". Some of those would be really cool to get, but I guess the guy doesn't let them out.

-Jason

GhostChild
12-19-2001, 06:26 PM
OK...let me clear up some stuff on Fruit Bat Salad.

There are two parts. One of them being from the 92 unicorn shows. There is also footage from another unknonwn show that cuts in sometimes...maybe around the same time.

The shows are shot from the stage...one of the night is from James side, the other from Darcys...there is also a little footage from behind Jimmy. One thing to this video that kinda sucks is the different shows cut in and out...example...

During Window Paine, when it gets quiet, and then picks back up...its on say 6/9/92 for most of the song, then right when it gets to the end part when it picks up, it cuts into that unknown show. It does this for a lot of the songs, so not too many songs are completely from one show. I have all the info written down somewhere, but I will have to sreach around for it.

The second part is videos from each song of Siamese Dream in order. They are from random shows. Most people have seen Geek USA from this video, as its the same version thats on the DVD. And yes the shows are NOT SBD, they were just shot with premison. I have the lowest known gen copy dubed to DAT and probably when I get time next year I will put it on CDR and send it around.

Also at the end of the video is has some footage a 94 Lala show...I think it's 7/14/94? I could look at my list right now but Im too lazy. Anyways...its got the Frogs on the side stage covering "Miss World"...then it cuts into Billy playing on the side stage with the Frogs. He sings and plays, "I Only Play for the Money". And then Jimmy or Dennis...I get em mixed up taclkes Billy and such, its rather cool.

Anyways thats the fruit bat salad. Want anymore run downs of videos? Just ask and I will let you know from the ones I have seen.

-Jason

Todd White
12-19-2001, 07:07 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GhostChild:
During Window Paine, when it gets quiet, and then picks back up...its on say 6/9/92 for most of the song, then right when it gets to the end part when it picks up, it cuts into that unknown show. It does this for a lot of the songs, so not too many songs are completely from one show. I have all the info written down somewhere, but I will have to sreach around for it.
</font>

So horrible! Makes the video crap. I don't understand why they did it. I guess it would be fine if they keep the same audio...but it totally changes. Doesn't flow at all.

- Todd

Jeroen (Aagje)
12-19-2001, 07:17 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GhostChild:
OK...let me clear up some stuff on Fruit Bat Salad.

There are two parts. One of them being from the 92 unicorn shows. There is also footage from another unknonwn show that cuts in sometimes...maybe around the same time.
(snip)
The second part is videos from each song of Siamese Dream in order. They are from random shows.</font>

Uhm. IIRC, the first video is called 'Three days in June', the second one 'Fruit Bat Salad'. But what do I know? I don't even have a VCR.

Be blissed
Jeroen

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They pound pumpkins not out of malice or recreation, but because they savor the gourds' slippery, seedy innards, their gold-orange skins and their firm yellow flesh as well. And they are happily ignorant of all wordplay about pumpkins and rock bands. (http://www6.cnn.com/US/9710/23/fringe/pumpkin.stomp/elephant.25.mov)

Smashing Pumpkins into Small Piles of Putrid Debris (http://www.gamersinn.com/library/arcade/?725): All the pumpkins of the world cower in fear again, as another Halloween approaches. As always, they are destined to be culinarily transformed into grotesque icons of a pagan tradition. Their only hope was to steal all of Earth's candles and take them away to the distant pumpkin planet, Pumpkinia.

Pmack
12-19-2001, 07:35 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jeroen (Aagje):
Uhm. IIRC, the first video is called 'Three days in June', the second one 'Fruit Bat Salad'. </font>

Correct. FBS is the Siamese Dream video.

And the 'psycho' video is called "25 Songs O' Pumpkins', as per Billy's handwritten label.

Other 'leet' videos:

Pro shot 08.23.95 Ireland
06.22.91 Metro w/MTV interview raw footage
09.23.91 MTV interview raw footage

I also know of someone who has 5 or 6 videos from 1989-1990 that he shot for the band; he gave the band the masters but kept copies for himself.

- Dave

Pmack
12-19-2001, 07:38 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Todd White:
So horrible! Makes the video crap. I don't understand why they did it</font>

Because the video we have is the rough cut; I'm pretty sure it says something to that effect at the beginning of the tape.

- dave

GhostChild
12-19-2001, 09:46 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Pmack:

I also know of someone who has 5 or 6 videos from 1989-1990 that he shot for the band; he gave the band the masters but kept copies for himself.

- Dave</font>

I hate when bands do that haha. I video this guy out here sometimes and he always say I can video him if I give him the master. Blah!
http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

-Jason

clairvoyance
12-19-2001, 10:20 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Pmack:

I also know of someone who has 5 or 6 videos from 1989-1990 that he shot for the band; he gave the band the masters but kept copies for himself.

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"know of".

*kicks the dirt* damn.


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CouldUBelieveInHeaven
12-19-2001, 10:50 PM
http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/eek.gif

too much to shove in my brain from one topic.

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clairvoyance
12-19-2001, 11:33 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by CouldUBelieveInHeaven:
http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/eek.gif

too much to shove in my brain from one topic.

</font>

lets just sit and hope for it all to get into our hands someday.

*sits*

Vanity Must Die
12-20-2001, 08:00 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GhostChild:
Anyways thats the fruit bat salad. Want anymore run downs of videos? Just ask and I will let you know from the ones I have seen.

-Jason</font>

I love how all of you 'elitists' are now opening up and answering questions. I think that's why Zwan allows taping..to salvage what's left of the trading community.

Anywho, on with the question:
Have you seen any of the Marked video(s)? Is 'Video Marked' (a la Vieuphoria) even known to be in anyone but Billy's hands?

Okay, thanks!

>Trent

Halteh
12-20-2001, 11:42 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
It has a clip of Billy and Bob at Geraldo and 2 Geraldo interviews with 2 serial killers (the title?) and some goodies at the end. </font>



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Vanity Must Die
12-20-2001, 01:57 PM
I heard that John Hunt was tracking down a lower gen copy of Storytellers. It seems he's fallen off the face of the earth..

>Trent

Andrew Fogelsong
12-20-2001, 02:09 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Vanity Must Die:
I heard that John Hunt was tracking down a lower gen copy of Storytellers. It seems he's fallen off the face of the earth..

>Trent</font>

Guess you missed it. I have a 2nd gen copy. I've had it for quite a while. It's pretty nice.

Andrew

Jen Ever
12-20-2001, 03:47 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Vanity Must Die:
I love how all of you 'elitists' are now opening up and answering questions. I think that's why Zwan allows taping..to salvage what's left of the trading community.</font>

isn't it beautiful?



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Halteh
12-21-2001, 12:32 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
Guess you missed it. I have a 2nd gen copy. I've had it for quite a while. It's pretty nice.

Andrew</font>

Are you talking about the one thats in mono?
I never noticed anything nice about it

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Andrew Fogelsong
12-21-2001, 03:27 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Are you talking about the one thats in mono?
I never noticed anything nice about it

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Ya gotta be so harsh Fares? I watched it once, many months ago. Neither my parents or I have a HQ entertainment system. I really couldn't tell.

Andrew

Vanity Must Die
12-21-2001, 07:54 AM
I was referring to a copy of lower generation than the first he had. As in, straight from the master, not from the intern.

>Trent

(who thinks he knows what he's talking about)

Halteh
12-21-2001, 04:50 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
Ya gotta be so harsh Fares? I watched it once, many months ago. Neither my parents or I have a HQ entertainment system. I really couldn't tell.

Andrew</font>

Dude, your not leet. Be gone from here.


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ImplodingGaze
12-21-2001, 05:00 PM
Why don't you people spread them around?
I have been waiting for years to see footage like that...................................

clairvoyance
12-21-2001, 06:08 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Dude, your not leet. Be gone from here.


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and what make you so leet? the fact that you barely acknowledge emails sent to you?

at least andrew responds to them!

so nyea. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif



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Halteh
12-22-2001, 12:09 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by clairvoyance:
and what make you so leet? the fact that you barely acknowledge emails sent to you?

at least andrew responds to them!

so nyea. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif

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lol. what email did you send me?
sorry I get really lazy at times. but one thing is for sure I always respond to emails before i pitch them. So when I decided to pitch them to my trashh you can expect a rejection. Sorry.


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Andrew Fogelsong
12-23-2001, 02:02 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
Dude, your not leet. Be gone from here.
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Guess you won't be getting those shows Brian Dowling sent me. They should be here any day now.... I can't wait.

Andrew
np: Sonic Youth - Mote

Halteh
12-23-2001, 10:18 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
Guess you won't be getting those shows Brian Dowling sent me. They should be here any day now.... I can't wait.

Andrew
np: Sonic Youth - Mote</font>

lol! Dude you have been saying that for months now. And Andrew Don't resist it, you will have to send me them, You love me!

Fares Halteh (whose still hoarding 1/5/96)

Slurpee
12-23-2001, 12:58 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:

Fares Halteh (whose still hoarding 1/5/96)
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Wait, then why do I have it sitting in my room on CDR? Can I hoard it too? Pretty please?

Andrew Fogelsong
12-23-2001, 01:59 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
lol! Dude you have been saying that for months now. </font>

Yes yes, I know. He emailed me, saying they were in the mail.

Andrew

Halteh
12-23-2001, 02:58 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Slurpee:
Wait, then why do I have it sitting in my room on CDR? Can I hoard it too? Pretty please?

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whats your source info?

Andrew Fogelsong
12-23-2001, 03:12 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by clairvoyance:
and what make you so leet? the fact that you barely acknowledge emails sent to you?

at least andrew responds to them!

so nyea. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif
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Fares is practically the definition of leet. Not responding to email is one of the top priorities, but I'd have to say that Asselin is still on top.

Andrew
np: Aphex Twin - Quoth(Wooden Thump Mix)

clairvoyance
12-23-2001, 03:59 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
lol. what email did you send me?
sorry I get really lazy at times. but one thing is for sure I always respond to emails before i pitch them. So when I decided to pitch them to my trashh you can expect a rejection. Sorry.


</font>

well i still havent heard from ya.

ill be sure to sent it right on over again if i dont http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif

clairvoyance
12-23-2001, 04:00 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
Fares is practically the definition of leet. Not responding to email is one of the top priorities, but I'd have to say that Asselin is still on top.

Andrew
np: Aphex Twin - Quoth(Wooden Thump Mix)</font>

ehh, that or fresko.

grrr.


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Slurpee
12-24-2001, 01:53 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
whats your source info?</font>

DAT>ANA-L>CDR.

If I could have gotten better, I would have.

Halteh
12-24-2001, 02:35 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Slurpee:
DAT>ANA-L>CDR.

If I could have gotten better, I would have.</font>

weird, it was taped on ana and the taper told me he never put it on dat :-/

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monto
12-24-2001, 02:56 AM
perhaps different taper...

Dfresko
12-24-2001, 03:12 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by monto:
perhaps different taper...</font>

BOO YEAH, Fares!!!!

-Dave

Halteh
12-24-2001, 01:18 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by monto:
perhaps different taper...</font>

dude!! unknown rig - ana?>cdr, he -should- hoard that. I heard a rumour that Fresko's dropping boards for the ana? version.


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[This message has been edited by Halteh (edited 12-24-2001).]

carter
12-24-2001, 01:47 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
np: Sonic Youth - Mote</font>

http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Chris Carter
carter@tamu.edu

Slurpee
12-24-2001, 02:12 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
dude!! unknown rig - ana?>cdr, he -should- hoard that. I heard a rumour that Fresko's dropping boards for the ana? version. </font>

I don't know if this is sarcasm or not, so I'm hoarding it regardless. I will only accept trades of the finest dutch cheeses. Gouda is preferred.

clairvoyance
12-24-2001, 04:21 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
lol! Dude you have been saying that for months now. And Andrew Don't resist it, you will have to send me them, You love me!

Fares Halteh (whose still hoarding 1/5/96)

</font>

hey dork, you wouldnt want me to get that exact same show from b.g. in my trade and start bNp'ing it out now would you? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif

alright, so i wont. but you need to respond to mah trade offer, comprende??
so do it! theres no need to role play an elitist. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif


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Halteh
12-24-2001, 06:16 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by clairvoyance:
hey dork, you wouldnt want me to get that exact same show from b.g. in my trade and start bNp'ing it out now would you? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif
</font>

heh, I wasn't really going to try to hoarde this for like "rare" stuff! lol...what do i look like? that guy who hoarded 1/24/92? pffftttt.....

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">
alright, so i wont. but you need to respond to mah trade offer, comprende??
so do it! theres no need to role play an elitist. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif
</font>

Youv'e got mail

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Dfresko
12-25-2001, 02:28 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
dude!! unknown rig - ana?>cdr, he -should- hoard that. I heard a rumour that Fresko's dropping boards for the ana? version.

</font>

I actually don't have any boards or any rare shit. My bootlist is nothing more than a wonderful lie.

Put dat in yo pipe and sm0ke it!

-Dave

[This message has been edited by Dfresko (edited 12-25-2001).]

TheSacredAgeOfInnocence
12-25-2001, 02:33 AM
Such inspired wisdomw from all in this thread

http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif

Nothing/everything
12-25-2001, 07:13 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Slurpee:
I will only accept trades of the finest dutch cheeses. Gouda is preferred.
</font>

Guess where i come from. Still interested http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif?


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Civic Mice
12-25-2001, 08:20 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Slurpee:
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not, so I'm hoarding it regardless. I will only accept trades of the finest dutch cheeses. Gouda is preferred.</font>

You rang?

Jesus' Raygun
12-25-2001, 08:38 AM
is a video of 8/13/93 leet?

i'll trade a copy of 10/23/95 and my Siamese Dream from columbia house for it!

sarmatianus
02-13-2002, 01:43 AM
To both resurrect this thread and also offer a possible answer to a question earlier on in the discussion, there is probably a good reason why the Fruit Bat Salad tapes (I believe Jason brought this up) cut between shows, especially hearing that they are "with permission" videos. It really sucks for traders, but makes complete sense editing-wise.

I'm going to guess that the taper only had one camera; of course, unlike audio taping, it is visually anathema to only have one angle. So you have a clear problem - you can move (if you aren't hard wired into anywhere) and get really bouncy, weird shots and possibly shitty audio as well, or you keep (generally) to one area.

But people don't want just one angle (well, traders probably don't care...) so the videos look and sound like that because they were edited to have a higher visual appeal (although, considering the limited number of copies this is a stupid thing to do). But there's only one angle per show - so you edit between the two. Maybe they could've used a continuous recording between the two and edited it creatively to avoid mis-syncs...but then it would only screw up lineages further.

I mean, consider masterpieces of SP editing, like Musique Plus or DVD Fuck You; part of the reason they look so great is because they have the liberty of multiple cameras at the same show, so all they have to do is sync the cameras - since they all recorded the same show, it'll work fine.

I'm actually going to be videotaping the Death and Dismemberment tour in March for a few weeks and this issue really concerns me b/c I may or may not have a second camera - I own one and I'm going to try to borrow one from my school for my girlfriend to use. In any case, I'm going to have to think of some creative ideas in the meantime for camerawork and editing so as to avoid the problem.

Now, all that being said, there is some comfort in the fact that the Fruit Bat Salad angles had to have each come from separate shows that exist on their masters (hopefully)in their entirety, one day to be uncovered. And come to think of it, the idea of having 20+ angles uncut on the Metro DVD, while probably not feasible, blows my mind.

I'll shut up now.

sarmatianus

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Smiley
02-13-2002, 02:51 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by sarmatianus:
Now, all that being said, there is some comfort in the fact that the Fruit Bat Salad angles had to have each come from separate shows that exist on their masters (hopefully)in their entirety, one day to be uncovered.</font>

Maybe that's where the circulating bootleg of 6/9/92 came from? So many people list it as ANA(?)->CDR, but spfc only lists a video source. That would lead me to believe that maybe it has been VID sourced all along... a lot of people list it as VID sourced (probably because of the spfc thing). The sound quality of a video is similar to a cassette, so nobody can really tell anyway. I'm talking about the full 6/9/92 video (not FBS) that "nobody" has.

I don't know. It's been available for so long, I guess it's sorta hard to tell. I just did a quick search on AMSP, and found that people had 6/9/92 on cassette as far back as August of 1996. I like 6/9, so I've been looking for 6/10 or 6/11 on tape or CDR, without much luck yet. I found one person who has 6/11 on cassette (hi, if you're reading this http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif) but her tapes are at home and she's up at college... and she's not into copying tapes anyway, etc. etc. Actually I'm the exact same way if anybody ever asked for a copy of one of my tapes. A quick AMSP search for it doesn't show much, except that 6/10 is in the "NP" of Jason Briggeman back on 1/20/98.

Whoa, I really started to drift off topic there. Anyway, you're probably right about the whole multiple angle thing. Thanks for reviving an interesting topic that I had forgotten about. Does anybody think this should be archived once it falls again?

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sarmatianus
02-13-2002, 03:00 AM
It's also worth noting (although I don't have a copy, so I wouldn't know) that it's certainly possible that 6/9 does have ANA in its lineage - ANA from the video. I don't exactly know what that would sound like quality-wise (or if it would even be listenable), but again, I don't really have the show to reference to begin with.

And also, if anyone has any ideas for my dilemma for the Death and Dismemberment tour, please do send along an e-mail to sarmatianus@yahoo.com

sarmatianus

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