Go figure.

well hey. best review from a major publication so far.

Zero: That is the exact number of doubts singer-guitarist-songwriter Billy Corgan has about this controversial resurrection of his old band. "I never felt so right and good. . . . You'll never need another sound," he crows in that bleating voice against the titanic fuzz of "Bring the Light." It is classic Corgan bravado, but the cumulative effect of his distortion-orchestra guitar and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin's pinpoint thunder is impressive and convincing, a return to the big pop-wise din of 1993's Siamese Dream. Original members James Iha and D'Arcy Wretzky are not part of this reunion, but they were hardly on Siamese Dream – Corgan played their guitar and bass parts.
By that standard, Zeitgeist, performed entirely by Corgan and Chamberlin, is a Pumpkins record – and a good one. Lyrically, Zeitgeist is the least self-absorbed record Corgan has ever written, although not quite the electric newspaper some song titles suggest. There is more fear of frying than actual fight and social remedy in "Doomsday Clock" and "For God and Country," the latter sounding more like Corgan's pledge of allegiance to the Cure. The closest thing to victory over Dick Cheney is the promise in "Starz" – "We cannot die. . . . We are stars/We are" – which rocks better than it reads, with Robert Fripp-like snakes of guitar and a closing frenzy of staccato power chords and Chamberlin pummeling his cymbals into splinters.

The best thing about Zeitgeist is that Corgan is back to what he does best: hard-rock architecture. His wall-of-guitars overdubs are exhilarating in their details: the harmonized squeals in "7 Shades of Black"; the creeping buzz of "Tarantula"; the long, howling solo, sinking in echo, in "United States." The Pumpkins were never more exciting in the Nineties than when Corgan unleashed his inner Tony Iommi all over his inner Robert Smith. That is what happens on Zeitgeist, which makes it a strong new start for Corgan and Chamberlin, no matter what they call themselves.

Once again Rolling Stone shows they know nothing about music

Seems too little too late since it has flopped

Better review than: White Stripes, Beastie Boys, Art Brut, Bryan Ferry, Ryan Adams, Editors, and Bruce Springsteen:

Ties: Spoon, The Cribs

Might be my favorite review I've read so far.

I'm amazed that RS actually liked it

fuck yeah

um, it would make a larry the cable esque fan want to hear starz

me likes

Might be my favorite review I've read so far.

I'm amazed that RS actually liked it
and after all this horse shit from them.

the cribs fucking suck

starz

I thought you weren't using the 'z'

about time reviews talk about the music rather than "corgan will never have MCIS/SD back".

who said it has flopped? there is still much life left in this machine. idiot.

Dave Fricke is a cool oldschool guy

can't wait for the rolling stone interview with BC n' Jommy dressed up like kabuki shuttlecocks and riding battle-torn warhorses adorned with papal vestments and giant broadswords...

...on a windy hillside...


...and it's raining...

edit: or it just got done raining and the sun is peaking out from behind dark clouds and you can see a rainbow

It won't sell more than 63 thousand copies this week.

Fricke musta got his check from Warner Bros today

Dave Fricke is a cool oldschool guy

fricke wrote it?

that makes sense...he's a vet

Didn't someone say Jimmy and Billy would be on the cover? If so, this makes total sense now.

Once again Rolling Stone shows they know nothing about music

fuck off!

Once again you show us that you have nothing better to do but sit on this board all day!

Once again you show us you have no life.

Once again you show us that you are a complete loser with major problems.

Once again you show us that you probably havent gotten laid not for a damn long time.

Once again you show us that this is your social life and how funny that is

Once again, GET THE FUCK OFF THOS BOARD AND GET SOME FUCKIN HOBBIES OR A JOB! YOU ARE A COMPLETE LOSER!

who said it has flopped? there is still much life left in this machine. idiot.

Both MSOTS and TFE sold basically nothing after first weeks sales. With all the tricks to try tog et people to buy thi album, the die hard fans all bought multiple copis in week one. It's goig to be a sharp decline after this. Corgans fans all run out and give his albums a huge boost first week.

fuck off!

Once again you show us that you have nothing better to do but sit on this board all day!

Once again you show us you have no life.

Once again you show us that you are a complete loser with major problems.

Once again you show us that you probably havent gotten laid not for a damn long time.

Once again you show us that this is your social life and how funny that is

Once again, GET THE FUCK OFF THOS BOARD AND GET SOME FUCKIN HOBBIES OR A JOB! YOU ARE A COMPLETE LOSER!
Once again you show us that you are the greatest troll in all of netphoria. ChristHimself, can i get an amen?

:bananamac

can someone find me an animated gif of ian curtis dancing to use instead of this banana

its true! Zeit >SD!!! RS says so!

This is the part where I say this review is spot on because I agree with it, right haters?

This is the part where I say this review is spot on because I agree with it, right haters?

or you could say, "That's the best review I've read so far!"

lol..."inner Tony Iommi with his inner Robert Smith"

and shakira's not even on the cover

(i'm assuming)

I'm glad Rolling Stone gave it a good review.

Zeitgeist has recieved way more bad reviews than it has deserved.

wow. i looked it up, SD and Adore only had 3 1/2 stars

sounds like it was written by some fanboy intern

well it's not the same person who does all the reviews. but yeah 3 and a half stars for SD and Adore is a fucking joke.

well it's not the same person who does all the reviews. but yeah 3 and a half stars for SD and Adore is a fucking joke.
I think it balances out though. 3.5 is about a star and a half too low for SD, and a star and a half too high for Adore.

^ not as big a joke as 4 stars for shitgayst

^ not as big a joke as 4 stars for shitgayst

All you do is talk shit about, err, "Shitgayst." What is it that you've been listening to (current music) the most recently that isn't "shit"? I will not criticize it nor comment on it in any way.

Thank you.

I thought you weren't using the 'z'

i fucking blow dick

i saw that when i wrote it and then i :( and then i said f it

All you do is talk shit about, err, "Shitgayst." What is it that you've been listening to the most recently that isn't "shit"? I will not criticize it nor comment on it in any way.

Thank you.

She's just some dumb slut, ignore.

I think it balances out though. 3.5 is about a star and a half too low for SD, and a star and a half too high for Adore.


i really want to agree w/ you on something

i mean, please dood

Worst posters of the year:

SpFission
jm9843
hummer26

Worst posters of the year:

SpFission
jm9843
hummer26

Hey fuckface:

You know nothing of life, let alone music. You would be doing yourself and the world at large a favor if you were to take a vow of silence until you get your shit together. Capiche?

Worst posters of the year:

SpFission
jm9843
hummer26

Awww, did I offend you?

Get the sand out of your vag you pussy.

^^ get a load of this guy :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I cannot say I understand the negativity towards "Zeitgeist" - I think it's just a fun album.

But what's interesting is how varied the reviews have been, from both critics, fans, and non-fans. Even in terms of splitting apart the quality of the individual songs, there is no agreement - it's a product which completely evades a general consensus.

sandy vag is a rough deal i bet

But what's interesting is how varied the reviews have been, from both critics, fans, and non-fans. Even in terms of splitting apart the quality of the individual songs, there is no agreement - it's a product which completely evades a general consensus.

Until a year from now when the general consensus is it's mediocre and kinda depressing.

Well, everyone knows Rolling Stones reviews are in inverse proportion to how good the cd is.
And I could still swear that the original SD review was 2.5 starz.

PS I also hate Dogfighter28.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1778/dogfag28jt1.jpg

can someone find me an animated gif of ian curtis dancing to use instead of this banana


http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/starknight1sunshine/1134066037_l.gif

:)

Nil Sine Deo

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/starknight1sunshine/1134066037_l.gif
I LOVE YOU!


:love:

Worst posters of the year:

SpFission
jm9843
hummer26
Dogfighter28


fixed

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1778/dogfag28jt1.jpg

Who's this invalid?

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/starknight1sunshine/1134066037_l.gif

That is what Dogfighter28 looked like when he heard Zeitgeist and proclaimed:

All in all, Zeitgeist is the sound of an old band adapting to the spirit of the times in a state of utter triumph.*

*this is an actual quote from his "review" of the album.

is that a whopper?

Its a Monster Thickburger from Hardees.

I also love how these guys went and found my xanga from about 5 years ago and used the profile pic. Even I didn't know that existed. How does my rectum smell, guys?

fixed

The funny thing is, I'm not trying to be a good poster. You guys just take this message board waaay to seriously. They don't hand out awards for being great Netphorians. Believe, most people would laugh at all of you if they could just witness what goes on around here.

Who compiles 3000+ posts in 2 months. That's just sickening.

I LOVE YOU!


:love:


np: dead souls

Meaningless drivel.

You're a schmuck.

gay.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f165/starknight1sunshine/1134066037_l.gif

Made my day.

After all of these years, the negativity at this board still baffles me. Why would someone who hates this band so much spend so much damn time posting about them? How sad. I think Zeitgeist is pretty damn good record and still feel a bit embarassed taking the time to typing on a fan message board.
For people like Pale Princess it wouldn't make any difference what the album sounded like, she would still be bitching about it because James isn't around anymore.
Listen we'd all love it if James was still in the band, but he didn't want to do it anymore. Get over it, or find another band to complain about. Why don't you find a Cure board and whine about Robert Smith keeps firing band members and claiming each album will be the Cure's last.
Zeitgeist is a good record. It isn't Siamese Dream, but did you really expect that?
Look at history. Bands just don't top themselves very often. Radiohead isn't going to beat OK Computer. Bob Dylan can't top Blonde on Blonde, etc. That's just how it is.

I also love how these guys went and found my xanga from about 5 years ago and used the profile pic.

So you confirm that's really you on those pictures? Not saying anything, just asking out of curiosity..

Yeah, I ain't afraid to post my pictures. Here's one for you!

http://a763.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/l_3be1e944221673e5c14e650ece0fa6ca.jpg

I'm glad Rolling Stone gave it a good review.

Zeitgeist has recieved way more bad reviews than it has deserved.


i agree. the comment about for god and country made me chuckle

So you confirm that's really you on those pictures? Not saying anything, just asking out of curiosity..

He's just pissed at the world cause he was born with red hair. Yes, I'm a gingerist.

I don't have red hair, you moron

yet another nail in SP's coffin

Why don't you find a Cure board and whine about Robert Smith keeps firing band members and claiming each album will be the Cure's last.
Zeitgeist is a good record. It isn't Siamese Dream, but did you really expect that?

Yes. Thank you.

jm9843, you used the full capacity of potential message board humor. That is instant gold.

He hit the nail on the head about Iommi, listen to Paranoid, its pretty obvious

This review is the best review I've seen!

Seriously, I actually agree with RS on this one. You all are nutzzzzzz.

That is funny. When RS reviewed Tarantula as a single and gave it 2 stars. Shit all over it. What is with the change of heart? $$$

That is funny. When RS reviewed Tarantula as a single and gave it 2 stars. Shit all over it. What is with the change of heart? $$$
or else the album is selling well, and they don't want to look like morons.

After all of these years, the negativity at this board still baffles me. Why would someone who hates this band so much spend so much damn time posting about them? How sad. I think Zeitgeist is pretty damn good record and still feel a bit embarassed taking the time to typing on a fan message board.
For people like Pale Princess it wouldn't make any difference what the album sounded like, she would still be bitching about it because James isn't around anymore.
Listen we'd all love it if James was still in the band, but he didn't want to do it anymore. Get over it, or find another band to complain about. Why don't you find a Cure board and whine about Robert Smith keeps firing band members and claiming each album will be the Cure's last.
Zeitgeist is a good record. It isn't Siamese Dream, but did you really expect that?
Look at history. Bands just don't top themselves very often. Radiohead isn't going to beat OK Computer. Bob Dylan can't top Blonde on Blonde, etc. That's just how it is.
james has too much integrity to involve himself in a shitty album and cash-grab "reunion"

james has too much integrity to involve himself in a shitty album and cash-grab "reunion"

but not too much integrity to plug his solo album and his work with the super cool indie bands on his super cool indie label when asked about the his participation in the reunion.

he's just being honest about the honest projects he's working on.

Seems too little too late since it has flopped

Yeah, nothing says flop like #2 in America and in the Top 10 around the world, where half of the reviews are positive, and most of the shows are selling out.

Nothing says flop like success?

he's just being honest about the honest projects he's working on.

which, along with the reunion in general, he failed to mention or even comment on until i believe the album was either titled or the tracklisting came out and billy was just starting to gain a little public momentum.


it's one thing to say it from the start, it's another thing to wait until the project was getting a little publicity and shoot it down with a cheap "BUY MY ALBUM" thrown in for good measure

james has too much integrity to involve himself in a shitty album [/b]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000WFL.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

cash-grab

http://www.v-generations.com/v/images/stories/Music/emotive.jpg

licd >>>>>>>>>>> machina >>>>>> adore >>>>>>>>>>>>>> zwan >>>>>>>>> zeitgeist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future embrace

Once again Rolling Stone shows they know nothing about music

they know more than you.

Just because SD and Adore are remembered with love in retrospect doesn't mean Rolling Stone was alone in giving them these ratings. That is a very high rating for a 1998 review of Adore, which basically got shat on by everyone.

licd >>>>>>>>>>> machina >>>>>> adore >>>>>>>>>>>>>> zwan >>>>>>>>> zeitgeist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future embrace

Check out this guy (read:cunt) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Seriously, you wouldn't be so insufferable if you didn't have the most delusional opinions of one of the worst solo artists in music.

i don't think Zeitgeist is very good, but you are just worthless.

But I'll concede that LICD is better than TFE. But Iha loses to Machina solely on the premise that he could never touch a song like Stand Inside Your Love if Jesus himself was helping him write it.

Eem's James Iha response was fucking perfect!!!

can someone find me an animated gif of ian curtis dancing to use instead of this banana

:hanging:

there's one.

licd >>>>>>>>>>> machina >>>>>> adore >>>>>>>>>>>>>> zwan >>>>>>>>> zeitgeist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future embrace

The fact that you think LICD and APC are great or strong representations of musical integrity undercuts any respect that wasn't already cast into the garbage by the unrelenting troll festival you call your netphoria membership.


Shitgayst sucks. Billy is stupid. James would never do anything that wasn't dripping in the cum of musical integrity.

P.S. I hate Zeitgeist.

Adore > Zeitgeist > Zwan (I know, flame on) > Machina > LITCD > TFE

James Iha fetish?

That is funny. When RS reviewed Tarantula as a single and gave it 2 stars. Shit all over it. What is with the change of heart? $$$

different fucking reviewers perhaps?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000000WFL.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg



http://www.v-generations.com/v/images/stories/Music/emotive.jpg


hahahaha. nice.

at least we can all agree let it come down is better than tfe!! :D

nope not better.

between billy, james and jimmy, james lacks the most integrity. The guy has NO balls and ZERO work ethic.

LICD is the worst lyrical effort of any album related to SP, besides maybe The Last Hard Men. Iha is an absolutely horrible lyricist.

james has the most integrity because he knows when to quit :)

james has the most integrity because he knows when to quit :)

Didn't he say he's coming out with ANOTHER solo album? I dunno if this is knowing when to quit.

james has the most integrity because he knows when to quit :)

He should've quit before he released "Let It Come Down" or joined the abomination known as A Perfect Circle.

TFE > Let it come down.

i like his solo stuff :)

i like his solo stuff :)

Wow. Maybe I should spend all day long on a James Iha forum posting about how much I hate it. You know, just to follow your shining example. Especially because my opinion is so important that it should be repeated time and time again, day after day.

I like Shitgayst.

TFE > Let it come down.

Yeah, on second thought, I could switch those two around on the "> chart." Reasonable assertion.

james has the most integrity because he knows when to quit :)

he quit cause he was too lazy to continue. had nothing to do with intergrity.

if he had integrity he would fucking practice and make himself out to be a better rounded musician. You know like prove corgan wrong or something, show that he is as capable a guitarist/songwriter as corgan. but what has iha released himself in the past 7 years?

eah. integrity. integrity is not quitting and sittin on your ass for 7 years (APC does not count. APC gig+James Iha=Cash grab).

:hanging:

there's one.
netphoria never fails to to amuse/disgust me.

This all being said, I still wish James were back.

This all being said, I still wish James were back.

For the sake of legitimacy? Yes. Musically? No. Jeff is far better than James. Just look at how well he played on Letterman (which is one of the highest quality video feeds you can get where you clearly see exactly which guitar is playing what).

The Future Embrace > Let It Come Down.

James "Alcoholic" Iha will never release another solo album and will be crawling back to SP before it's all said and done.

I really, really don't like Let it come down. It is just hard for me to listen to.

i agree. the comment about for god and country made me chuckle
It's refreshing to hear someone like you agreed. The vast majority of these noobs have absolutely no idea what they are typing. They're just hitting the keyboard blindlessly.

Anyway I didn't think the interview was anything special, but at least they gave it the rating it deserves.

It's refreshing to hear someone like you agreed. The vast majority of these noobs have absolutely no idea what they are typing. They're just hitting the keyboard blindlessly.

Anyway I didn't think the interview was anything special, but at least they gave it the rating it deserves.

Are you drunk my friend? "blindlessly" "interview"

No, but I understand what you mean and I agree for the most part, though I was glad that he did address the controversial nature of the reunion but also focused very specifically on the music.

Is there a link to the interview?

Are you drunk my friend? "blindlessly" "interview"

No, but I understand what you mean and I agree for the most part, though I was glad that he did address the controversial nature of the reunion but also focused very specifically on the music.
ahh FUCK. whatever. yeah the focus on the music was most important.

pale_princess retreats without mccririck and Starchildren here to defend her. Wait, they probably think Let It Come Down sucks, too.

let it come down wouldn't be considered so bad if will hung had released it.

i predicted 4 stars in the other thread, no big surprise but welcome none the less.

Let It Come Down is closer to the spirit of the Smashing Pumpkins than anything Billy has released since Machina and is hands down better than Jimmy's and Billy's solo efforts (Life Begins Again wasn't bad). One and Two is one of the most beautiful Pumpkins related songs ever made.

Let It Come Down is closer to the spirit of the Smashing Pumpkins than anything Billy has released since Machina and is hands down better than Jimmy's and Billy's solo efforts (Life Begins Again wasn't bad). One and Two is one of the most beautiful Pumpkins related songs ever made.
That is almost the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Let It Come Down sounds nothing like anything the Pumpkins ever did EVER, with the exception of SOME of the James-only compositions.

Once again Rolling Stone shows they know nothing about music

You spend all day on a fan board that you fucken hate, mabey we should listen to some more of your opinons? DIE DogRider69

Let It Come Down is closer to the spirit of the Smashing Pumpkins than anything Billy has released since Machina and is hands down better than Jimmy's and Billy's solo efforts (Life Begins Again wasn't bad). One and Two is one of the most beautiful Pumpkins related songs ever made.
drink my urine, piss pot

It won't sell more than 63 thousand copies this week.

Mabey your right, but why would you hope for the worst for a band that has done the best they could? YOU ARE A LOSER!!

That is almost the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Let It Come Down sounds nothing like anything the Pumpkins ever did EVER, with the exception of SOME of the James-only compositions.

I'm not talking about the sound. Rather the mood that is set from the album.

Fuck you Pretzel Logic.

^^ get a load of this guy :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Get a load of this Bitch!!

I'm not talking about the sound. Rather the mood that is set from the album.

Fuck you Pretzel Logic.

Sunshine Folk/Pop and Alt. Rock seem to have pretty different moods to me.

I'm glad Rolling Stone gave it a good review.

Zeitgeist has recieved way more bad reviews than it has deserved.

Same here. It's sad when its so called fans hate on him like they do!

Fuck you Pretzel Logic.
mmm how does it taste? nice and warm?

You can be my Pretzel any time, salty ;)

*cue sig post*

eh-oh!

Sunshine Folk/Pop and Alt. Rock seem to have pretty different moods to me.

Sad, wistful, innocent, acoustic diddies that generate similar feelings from me of the Pumpkins when they were at their best.

I'm not drinking your urine Pretzel Logic, but I am about to take a dump on your face.

Sad, wistful, innocent, acoustic diddies that generate similar feelings from me of the Pumpkins when they were at their best.

I'm not drinking your urine Pretzel Logic, but I am about to take a dump on your face.


Yeah, nothing screams "innocent" like the Smashing Pumpkins.








?

Now this is unexpected.

let it come down wouldn't be considered so bad if will hung had released it.


:smoke: I eagerly await Iha's next solo album.

Once again Rolling Stone shows they know nothing about music
<galjga>

sounds like it was written by some fanboy intern


haha you people are so clueless about how to comment actually a good review that your posts amount to nothing but joke.

I'm glad it got a strong review from a major US source. They needed that.

OMG WHO SAW THIS COMING

Great review. It reiterates much of what I have already said about the album in various threads.

Yeah, I ain't afraid to post my pictures. Here's one for you!

http://a763.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/l_3be1e944221673e5c14e650ece0fa6ca.jpg

You're pretty young to be a pumpkins fan, weren't you still shitting your pants when SD was released? Perhaps you should consider spending 95% of your day on the MCR boards instead... where you belong.

i'm just glad that they didn't just ape pitchfork and give the album a similarly bad review.

We can't blame Dogfighter for being bitter when he looks like a mixture of ham pizza and Sloth from the Goonies.

since zeitgeist is my favorite album this review validates my enjoyment of the album and really proves the haters to just be mean and bitter.

take that, you mean old jerks!

Who compiles 3000+ posts in 2 months. That's just sickening.

well you have 2000 since may, is that not a lot?

We can't blame Dogfighter for being bitter when he looks like a mixture of ham pizza and Sloth from the Goonies.

Good show my Swedish friend! :rofl:

well you have 2000 since may, is that not a lot?

I do? My join date disagrees.

Originally Posted by Dogfighter28
"Yeah, I ain't afraid to post my pictures."

Well I am afraid for you to post your pictures, Pitchfork Reader Ham Pizza Sloth.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1778/dogfag28jt1.jpg


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/mikeyfridgebuzz/Cool/622683_356x237.jpg

"I'm never gonna give you up!"

You're pretty young to be a pumpkins fan, weren't you still shitting your pants when SD was released? Perhaps you should consider spending 95% of your day on the MCR boards instead... where you belong.


Isn't he still shitting his pants right now?

oh man, so much going on in this thread...

first off, i agree with Gossamer and am glad that RS gave it a decent review. it's been really disheartening to see just how many people were clearly aching for the opportunity to tear Billy Corgan apart again. most of the reviews we've seen aren't based on the music so much as what Corgan has been up to since 2000. the reviews that actually have been about the music seem to harp on the fact that the record is one dimensional. well, uh, yeah. see the concept of "zeitgeist". the more that i listen to this album, it becomes ballbreakingly clear how dead on of a commentary this record is on our culture, government, and general american mentality. i personally think that people don't like it because they don't like being told what they've become a part of. how base have things really become? despite the sweeping changes of the last 6-7 years, society has remained relatively complacent, all thanks to the prechewed glitz and glam that gets practically beamed into our heads. who needs to pay attention to terrorism when anna nicole's funeral is on? who wants to talk about global warming when al gore's fat head takes up the entire tv screen? gas hovers around $4/gallon, and we're all lined up to buy fucking iphones.

but some of you just want no part in cultural discussion. you just want music, and you don't want to hear about politics or social issues at all. it's crazy to me how insufferable this is to so many people.

anyway, it's a concept record disguised as a comeback record, and i'm really surprised that NO one has talked about this at all. but on second thought, so much negativity has been swirling around this album that there hasn't been an opportunity for the meaning to come across. once again, Corgan's actions have superceded his artistic message. but the fact of the matter is that like every other Pumpkins effort, people were armed to the teeth and ready to hate it. "james iha isn't there, so FUCK billy corgan!!" "it's too short!" "the vocals are too loud!!" "the songs suck!" yeah. well. it's really too bad that you feel that way. you all have so much to complain about, so much shit to toss, and so little patience for letting an album have its effect. like all Pumpkins records, this one will have its place in time. i really like this album, and i don't care what any one else says. some of the songs get to me at times, but i feel the same way about every other Pumpkins disk. Billy and the crew will continue to tour, continue to make music, and i can't wait to see where else this goes.

:rant:

I like you Caine Walker.

As far as taking on the issues facing society I don't feel he went far enough with his lyrics and message to make an impact. He doesn't need to write like Rage against the machine but their are plenty of artists out there who write smart political songs that you actually know what they are trying to say. I like the artwork because it makes a strong statement. The political lyrics on the album just kind of go by you without ever showing you what it's about. It's muddy and limp when it should be clear and powerful.

I still like the album but as a political statement it is kind of bland.

The political lyrics on the album just kind of go by you without ever showing you what it's about. It's muddy and limp when it should be clear and powerful.

I still like the album but as a political statement it is kind of bland.

WRONG. it should NOT be clear and powerful. ---->"sign of the times" why is no one understanding this?

and it's not a political statement. it's a social commentary.

I always took the political commentary as a metaphor for his own personal life/the band.

in that respect, it's still a self absorbed album.

fuck off!

Once again you show us that you have nothing better to do but sit on this board all day!

Once again you show us you have no life.

Once again you show us that you are a complete loser with major problems.

Once again you show us that you probably havent gotten laid not for a damn long time.

Once again you show us that this is your social life and how funny that is

Once again, GET THE FUCK OFF THOS BOARD AND GET SOME FUCKIN HOBBIES OR A JOB! YOU ARE A COMPLETE LOSER!

Amen brother. Sometimes I hate to be the only one railing on this douchebag. Nice to hear some similar sentiments.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1778/dogfag28jt1.jpg

Just remember, when you are about to put your fists through your computer screen, this is the face you'd like to punch.

Four stars? That's mighty generous. I'm glad.

And I wish James would come back purely for sentimental reasons. Jeff is way better at his geetar, from what I can tell. I'd like Billy to let Jeff write or cowrite a song on the next album (assuming he'll be on the next album at all) so we can all get a feel for what he's really like.

And Ginger? I guess I've just gotten used to the idea that SP bassists are useless. haha, so I don't care if she writes anything or not.

WRONG. it should NOT be clear and powerful. ---->"sign of the times" why is no one understanding this?

Can you explain your convictions a bit more

Like how specifically this is a concept album, how the music is making a point, etc.

Because right now it sounds like you're trying to justify anything "wrong" with the album by saying it's done deliberately to reflect modern society

And that can easily lead to you basically saying they deliberately made a terrible album

he's just being honest about the honest projects he's working on.

yeah touring with APC wasn't a cash grab at all

although seeing him do it was pretty awesome!

Jeff is way better at his geetar, from what I can tell.


what makes you say that?

^^^I didn't make that particular statement, but I agree with it. Just from the recordings of live performances, I am very impressed with his guitar work. Watch the "Tarantula" performance on Letterman and you might get a feel for what I mean. When Billy doesn't have a free moment to do the soloing/lead line, Jeff does it and it's very well done. Word-of-mouth buzz from the shows also seems to be good with reference to Jeff's playing.

I like him!

he'll never be as good of a noodler as james.

he'll never be as good of a noodler as james.

You mean Jeff has less dexterity than James? I disagree. Or do you mean that James liked to insert pointless jam bandy/metal shit where it doesn't belong, and Jeff will never be so good at that? You might be right about that.

"All in all, Zeitgeist is the sound of an old band adapting to the spirit of the times in a state of utter triumph." -Dogfighter28

So he still hasn't responded to the fact that he made that statement in his original review, eh? Sounds like he just wanted to fit in with the "haters" to belong and to entertain himself.

Look how long his head is. Looks like Bert.

Or do you mean that James liked to insert pointless jam bandy/metal shit where it doesn't belong, and Jeff will never be so good at that? You might be right about that.


yeah!!

Can you explain your convictions a bit more

Like how specifically this is a concept album, how the music is making a point, etc.

Because right now it sounds like you're trying to justify anything "wrong" with the album by saying it's done deliberately to reflect modern society

And that can easily lead to you basically saying they deliberately made a terrible album

as a concept album, the idea is "look at what you've become, look at what i've become, look at what <i>we've</i> become." if paris hilton on the cover of the tarantula single wasn't glaringly obvious enough, then the cover art should have been a big sock in the face. we were all pretty clear on that, from what i remember, to the point of being insulted by its bluntness.

Bleeding the Orchid is about sucking the life out of something, and moving onto the next thing. if that's not american mentality, i don't know what is. That's the Way gives some glimmer of hope for survival through all of the ridiculousness, a metaphor for the album and our country.

we're the big bad USA and why should we give a shit what anyone thinks about us? the song United States sums this up pretty well. it's a juggernaut of a song that doesn't do a damn thing. it's arrogant. it seems unfinished. it gives the illusion of delivering, but at the end it's just a lot of heavy breathing.

i can keep going with this, but i have to a lunch meeting pretty soon. i'll probably try to do it when i get back.

as a concept album, the idea is "look at what you've become, look at what i've become, look at what <i>we've</i> become." if paris hilton on the cover of the tarantula single wasn't glaringly obvious enough, then the cover art should have been a big sock in the face. we were all pretty clear on that, from what i remember, to the point of being insulted by its bluntness.

Bleeding the Orchid is about sucking the life out of something, and moving onto the next thing. if that's not american mentality, i don't know what is. That's the Way gives some glimmer of hope for survival through all of the ridiculousness, a metaphor for the album and our country.

we're the big bad USA and why should we give a shit what anyone thinks about us? the song United States sums this up pretty well. it's a juggernaut of a song that doesn't do a damn thing. it's arrogant. it seems unfinished. it gives the illusion of delivering, but at the end it's just a lot of heavy breathing.

i can keep going with this, but i have to a lunch meeting pretty soon. i'll probably try to do it when i get back.

Not a bad post.

it's actually a terrible post

it's actually a terrible post

All I said is that it wasn't bad. Terrible fits under that excessively general umbrella. So go with that if you like.

I always took the political commentary as a metaphor for his own personal life/the band.

in that respect, it's still a self absorbed album.

I respectfully disagree. While the album may be self-absorbed (it is Billy after all), I don't think it's fair to say it's self absorbed because he writes about his personal life and the band.

I'd rather artists write about what they know. And the Pumpkins carved out a niche with fans with their extremely personal music.

I think the album is better if the politcal commentary is just a metaphor. It's too bland and vague to be any kind of political statement (unless the statement is "screw everything").

I always took the political commentary as a metaphor for his own personal life/the band.

in that respect, it's still a self absorbed album.
That's pretty much how I see it as well. I don't see the role of politics and the state of society as necessarily being the centerpiece of the record. I think it plays a big part in things, but only to the extent that it colors Billy's view on life as it stands right now. Billy's not writing about American society on this record; he's writing about himself...and his own impression of living in today's US is just one part of the equation.

It seems to me that a lot of people wanted Billy to beat them over the head with politics on this album, but inexplicably manage to keep it subtle at the same time. As if the guy was just going to write a bunch of diatribes on his political views and then thinly veil them with some flowery lyrics to the point that where he stands is still perfectly clear, but everybody could feel clever for "figuring it out." Personally, I'm glad Billy didn't go that route. Its likely that a lot of us might have been very turned off if Billy made a bunch of overt political statements we disagreed with. And that's the last thing the guy needs.

he'll never be as good of a noodler as james.
If by noodle, you mean aimlessly bend notes and wonder how to end your solo, yes.

I'll take Jeff over James.

I was very impressed in his guitar interplay with ol' Bill in that Rock Am Ring vid. Especially Silverfuck and that part from Shame where they take turns in doing lead and from what I've heard he has improved since then. Billy introducing him as a lead guitarist oughta speak volumes too.

I remember reading some old interview with Jeff that led me to believe he's quite dedicated in improving his playing and this seems to be the case. I honestly can't see any reason beyond nostalgia why anyone would want James in the band instead of him. It's about the music.

"All in all, Zeitgeist is the sound of an old band adapting to the spirit of the times in a state of utter triumph." -Dogfighter28

So he still hasn't responded to the fact that he made that statement in his original review, eh? Sounds like he just wanted to fit in with the "haters" to belong and to entertain himself.

Look how long his head is. Looks like Bert.
I posted my actual review in a thread, but the thread was deleted. Here you go:

Nothing much has changed in the seven years since The Smashing Pumpkins broke up. Billy Corgan still cannot transfer a good song idea from live performance to studio to save his life. The terrible production that plagued Machina returns, but in a different form. While the guitars on that album were processed to death, Zeitgeist suffers from carelessly mixed vocals and drums. Instead of employing backup singers, Corgan overdubs his voice dramatically, leading to arrangements that overpower any worth the songs on Zeitgeist have in concert. Still, there are moments of hope and even enjoyment on this comeback album. The first half of the album contains uniformly pleasant songs that are marred by terrible production, but "Bleeding the Orchid" and "United States" manage to shine through as examples of Corgan's craft. The latter contains a drum and guitar breakdown that will leave you breathless. The second half of the album contains some cringeworthy songs, most notably the terrible "Pomp and Circumstances". This album held promise in my heart since I heart the bootleg of their first show back in seven years, but until The Smashing Pumpkins get a producer in the vein of Butch Vig or Flood to produce an album in full, fans will be restricted to catching glimpses of light through Corgan's visionary muck.

I remember reading some old interview with Jeff that led me to believe he's quite dedicated in improving his playing and this seems to be the case. I honestly can't see any reason beyond nostalgia why anyone would want James in the band instead of him. It's about the music.

When I saw them in Asheville, I got the impression that Jeff was concentrating and trying very hard to play the music as best he could. He showed real dedication, all while still giving the impression that he was enjoying himself.

Can't say I remember seeing that from James when I saw him play.

it's actually a terrible post

why?

All I said is that it wasn't bad. Terrible fits under that excessively general umbrella. So go with that if you like.

aren't you tired of having to go back and correct yourself yet? it seems to be all you do around here.

Jeff is awesome, I watched him play for like 27 hours in Asheville :blush:

what makes you say that?

(referring to Jeff being better)

Some have already insulted James a bit, which isn't my style because I don't think he's a bad guitarist at all, nor is he an awful soloist, etc. James is good. I think he's good, anyway. But I just think Jeff is better. He's really stepped up to the plate with this tour. As already mentioned, the trading solos during "Shame" (Rock AM Ring) was magical. The chemistry between Billy and Jeff is beautiful, seeing as Jeff is new. I can only imagine how fun it'll be to watch those two in a few years (assuming Billy makes the right decision and keeps Jeff on board). I just think Jeff is a more skilled guitarist based on his solos (which are true to the album while still bringing something fresh to the live performances--I'm referring to Zeitgeist stuff mostly... and "Zero.")

Anyway, just my opinion. In all honesty, I WOULD take James back over Jeff, because as much as I'd like to believe otherwise, this band means more than music to me. It's the whole package. That said, I'm stoked about the new lineup, I love Zeitgeist, and I'm seeing them play in october. I'm just saying, for nostalgia's sake, I'd like james back (nostalgia... haha, I'm a freakin' teenager talking about nostalgia...)

i have no idea as to what solos jeff has been playing. i assumed zero and siyl, but other than that i'm clueless.

I posted my actual review in a thread, but the thread was deleted. Here you go:

Nothing much has changed in the seven years since The Smashing Pumpkins broke up. Billy Corgan still cannot transfer a good song idea from live performance to studio to save his life. The terrible production that plagued Machina returns, but in a different form. While the guitars on that album were processed to death, Zeitgeist suffers from carelessly mixed vocals and drums. Instead of employing backup singers, Corgan overdubs his voice dramatically, leading to arrangements that overpower any worth the songs on Zeitgeist have in concert. Still, there are moments of hope and even enjoyment on this comeback album. The first half of the album contains uniformly pleasant songs that are marred by terrible production, but "Bleeding the Orchid" and "United States" manage to shine through as examples of Corgan's craft. The latter contains a drum and guitar breakdown that will leave you breathless. The second half of the album contains some cringeworthy songs, most notably the terrible "Pomp and Circumstances". This album held promise in my heart since I heart the bootleg of their first show back in seven years, but until The Smashing Pumpkins get a producer in the vein of Butch Vig or Flood to produce an album in full, fans will be restricted to catching glimpses of light through Corgan's visionary muck.

did you write that just to post it here?

i have no idea as to what solos jeff has been playing. i assumed zero and siyl, but other than that i'm clueless.

hes not been paying siyl, billy stole it

zero = yes

did you write that just to post it here?
No, its posted on www.rateyourmusic.com

Listen, Eulogy. I have nothing against you, and I feel every post I make you TRY YOUR HARDEST to find something to bitch about. Its getting old. Please, dude. I respect you.

i have no idea as to what solos jeff has been playing. i assumed zero and siyl, but other than that i'm clueless.

Most if not all of Heavy Metal Machine solos, doubles the solo with Billy on many of the Zeitgeist songs, acoustic solos on the Asheville-songs, solo and leads in Zero, leads on In My Body, awesomeness in Blue Skies Bring Tears and Gossamer (esp. during 52 crows part) :smoke: It's hard to remember everything...

No, its posted on www.rateyourmusic.com

Listen, Eulogy. I have nothing against you, and I feel every post I make you TRY YOUR HARDEST to find something to bitch about. Its getting old. Please, dude. I respect you.

i call them like i see them. i'm not just picking on you.

Most if not all of Heavy Metal Machine solos, doubles the solo with Billy on many of the Zeitgeist songs, acoustic solos on the Asheville-songs, leads on In My Body, awesomeness in Blue Skies Bring Tears and Gossamer (esp. during 52 crows part) :smoke: It's hard to remember everything...

i have yet to hear one of these 52 crows gossamers

what would be a good show to get in order to hear it. or if someone could just upload one of the gossamers that'd be cool.

i have yet to hear one of these 52 crows gossamers

what would be a good show to get in order to hear it. or if someone could just upload one of the gossamers that'd be cool.

you would want the one from 7/3

you would want the one from 7/3

k, thanks

my pumpkins music library is expanding so very rapidly now. yeesh.

Mine too :)

http://www.archive.org/details/sp2007-07-03.cabbage.AKGck93.flac16

Mine too :)

http://www.archive.org/details/sp2007-07-03.cabbage.AKGck93.flac16

ah, thanks, but i'm already all over zomb's nuts on this one.

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awww yeah

the song United States sums this up pretty well. it's a juggernaut of a song that doesn't do a damn thing. it's arrogant. it seems unfinished. it gives the illusion of delivering, but at the end it's just a lot of heavy breathing.

Yeah, this is what I'm talking about

You're saying they wrote a shitty song, but it's okay, because it's supposed to be shitty

I mean, that's a gross oversimplification of what you're getting at, but that's what it comes down to for me

Thanks for explaining; I'll try to listen through that idealogical filter next time and see if it works at all for me, but it's not really clicking as I just sit here and think about it

Amen brother. Sometimes I hate to be the only one railing on this douchebag. Nice to hear some similar sentiments.

Right on. This guy is a fuckin punk...has nothing better to do with his time. He isn't the only one on here like that though, unfortunately. It's just fuckin simple...if he doesn't like the new music, WHY THE FUCK IS HE STILL HERE EVERY SINGLE DAY 24/7? I have yet to have anyone write me back after I send them that message asking them why are they still here then....

Fuck all the haters!!!

Yeah, this is what I'm talking about

You're saying they wrote a shitty song, but it's okay, because it's supposed to be shitty

I mean, that's a gross oversimplification of what you're getting at, but that's what it comes down to for me

Thanks for explaining; I'll try to listen through that idealogical filter next time and see if it works at all for me, but it's not really clicking as I just sit here and think about it

it <i>is</i> a gross oversimplification of what i was getting at, but if that's how you want to look at it, then, well, i can't stopya. it just comes down to a matter of personal preference from this point on, what you like and don't like. personally, i like the record, and it's my opinion that the social commentary was the motivation for the songs that were written. even the unreleased tracks have the same color to them. maybe i'm wrong about all of this, and it's just a "shitty song" and this is just a *shitty album*. :: shrug:: i really don't care. these are things that i got out of the music, promotions, etc, and it all seems pretty clear to me.

maybe i'll just go back to breaking that Trash idiot's balls.

aren't you tired of having to go back and correct yourself yet? it seems to be all you do around here.
Seems like all you do is act like an insufferable jerk-off. I've seen you spell the word "WRONG" in all caps many times, making your elitist attitude and shitty disposition obvious from the outset of each and every one of your posts. When you aren't doing that, you're doing something functionally equivalent.

And I did like your post. I was more just telling that guy to fuck off for his trite response to me, which was basically to insult you and then insult me for liking what you said. He can read my post whatever way he wants. What the fuck do I care?

But, of course, you have to insult everyone. How could I forget.

Also, it's nice to know you take special interest in my posts. I had that inkling when you started trolling around insulting me at every turn with content-free strings of profanity and arrogance, but now I know for sure.

Sorry for liking you post, and...
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z108/ssantoro/Photo17.jpg

tl;dr

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z108/ssantoro/Photo17.jpg
From that angle your hand looks gargantuan

From that angle your hand looks gargantuan

Yeah, it's a big "fuck you." Also, before I get asked, I took a new picture because I wanted Caine to get the real time flavor of what a douche bag most of us think he is. Feel our hatred as it happens, Caine. The beauty of the internet.

why you gotta hate?

Seems too little too late since it has flopped

how has it flopped?
everyone seems to like it besides like 5 netphorians

how has it flopped?
everyone seems to like it besides like 5 netphorians

Of people that I let listen to it that aren't previously Smashing Pumpkins fans, they all dislike it. Sales aren't that great, and they are going to drop like a rock.

Dogfighter is a lot less of a douche bag then Redbull and you said.

they are then new etsy.

Sales aren't that great.

What is your defination of great? If you we're thinking this was going to sell 250-300k in its first week, I think you we're being WAY too optmistic.

Seems like all you do is act like an insufferable jerk-off. I've seen you spell the word "WRONG" in all caps many times, making your elitist attitude and shitty disposition obvious from the outset of each and every one of your posts. When you aren't doing that, you're doing something functionally equivalent.

And I did like your post. I was more just telling that guy to fuck off for his trite response to me, which was basically to insult you and then insult me for liking what you said. He can read my post whatever way he wants. What the fuck do I care?

But, of course, you have to insult everyone. How could I forget.

Also, it's nice to know you take special interest in my posts. I had that inkling when you started trolling around insulting me at every turn with content-free strings of profanity and arrogance, but now I know for sure.

Sorry for liking you post, and...


oh boy, alright... >_< this will be my last post addressing you, because you're not even that fun to troll anymore. to correct you for the last time:

i put the word "wrong" in caps once. you must see in double or something if you think i've done it more than once. if you can find more instances of this, then color me wrong. if i come across as elitist, insufferable and shitty, it's because you're taking it that way. i'm actually a really nice, generally cheery guy. but this is how i talk to people who don't know their asses from their ears, and if your soft ass can't take it, then put me on ignore. that's what it's for.

i really don't care what neopryn thinks, either. he's also a generally nice guy, but he's totally entitled to his own opinions. if he wants to disagree, and make it known, cool.

i don't insult everyone. just people who blatantly ask for it. you, my friend, are jumping up and down in the mud, screaming your ass off for it.

as for taking a particular interest in your posts, you were the wounded antelope and i was a bored lion looking for a snack. i'm full now, and i'm done with your picked apart carcass.

Feel our hatred as it happens, Caine. The beauty of the internet.

more cliches, people. :rolleyes:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z108/ssantoro/Photo17.jpg

this will never get old

i have no idea as to what solos jeff has been playing. i assumed zero and siyl, but other than that i'm clueless.
he isn't playing either of these. billy the egomaniac is.

as for taking a particular interest in your posts, you were the wounded antelope and i was a bored lion looking for a snack. i'm full now, and i'm done with your picked apart carcass.

Caine, by now I've forgotten whose side I was on, but this comment is embarrassingly lame. Come on, man.

he isn't playing either of these. billy the egomaniac is.

Jeff plays the Zero solo :erm:

Jeff plays the Zero solo :erm:

Yes, he definitely plays the Zero solo :)

oh boy, alright... >_< this will be my last post addressing you

:chili: :bananamac :banoonoo: :rockon: :billy: :smoke: :billy: :rockon: :banoonoo: :bananamac :chili:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z108/ssantoro/Photo17.jpg


BWAHAHAHHAHAH!

that's you? http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon10.gif


its all starting to make sense........

Warner must have cut a nice check

BWAHAHAHHAHAH!

that's you? http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon10.gif


its all starting to make sense........

Yeah, having a real job is weird. Sorry I cut my hair and put on a tie.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z108/ssantoro/me.jpg

I guess me liking Zeitgeist would explain everything. :erm:

Caine, by now I've forgotten whose side I was on, but this comment is embarrassingly lame. Come on, man.


who the fuck are you? how can you be taking sides, mr. 100 posts?

Its a good thing you cut your hair, cause before you looked like a laughable facsimile of Robert Plant

Its a good thing you cut your hair, cause before you looked like a laughable facsimile of Robert Plant

I'd rather look like that than like this:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1778/dogfag28jt1.jpg

I decided to have curly hair in order to rip off Robert Plant way back before I was born. Good plan, no?

Or I guess people with curly blond hair shouldn't be allowed to grow it out or sing in rock bands. :smoke:

Yeah, having a real job is weird. Sorry I cut my hair and put on a tie.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z108/ssantoro/me.jpg

I guess me liking Zeitgeist would explain everything. :erm:

wait is that supposed to impress all of us

wait is that supposed to impress all of us

Why don't you guys just set up a society already? You talk about me more than Billy Corgan.

it's just weird that you assume people were making fun of you for wearing a tie. what kind of logic is that.

del

del

it's just weird that you assume people were making fun of you for wearing a tie. what kind of logic is that.
How else would my looks explain anything? I like Zeitgeist or disagree with you because I'm ugly, goofy, have reddish-blond hair? Or are you assuming that I never get laid and that's why I do these things? I don't know. I just figured you were being more clever than: "U r liK sO gAY aND stoopid CUz lik u r ugly!"

How else would my looks explain anything? I like Zeitgeist or disagree with you because I'm ugly, goofy, have reddish-blond hair? Or are you assuming that I never get laid and that's why I do these things? I don't know. I just figured you were being more clever than: "U r liK sO gAY aND stoopid CUz lik u r ugly!"

no, i made fun of you because you webcammed yourself giving the finger to someone two times in two days, you idiot.

no, i made fun of you because you webcammed yourself giving the finger to someone two times in two days, you idiot.

My post about the tie was to Starchildren. That's why above my words it says "Originally Posted by Starchildren". It happened before your insult, as did my post about it.

Also, you were talking about my picture of the band, not the picture of me giving the finger.




Remember? (scroll up/go back a page) :smoke:

EDIT: In case you forgot
Yeah, having a real job is weird. Sorry I cut my hair and put on a tie.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z108/ssantoro/me.jpg

I guess me liking Zeitgeist would explain everything. :erm:
wait is that supposed to impress all of us

My post about the tie was to Starchildren. That's why above my words it says "Originally Posted by Starchildren". It happened before your insult, as did my post about it.

Also, you were talking about my picture of the band, not the picture of me giving the finger.




Remember? (scroll up/go back a page) :smoke:

i made fun of the first one and asked what the point of the second one was

maybe you guys should make some flow charts

maybe you guys should make some flow charts

Out of honest, non-offensive inquiry, exactly how long do you have to be a netphorian to reach 21,136 posts? I mean, whoa.

Out of honest, non-offensive inquiry, exactly how long do you have to be a netphorian to reach 21,136 posts? I mean, whoa.

uh

there are lots of people with a whole lot more than that

uh

there are lots of people with a whole lot more than that

Oh, what an idiot I am. How long did it take you to get 22,000 (sorry to deny you the rite). EDIT: Whoops, 23,000. EDIT: Wait, wrong again. Almost 24,000. Damn.

Oh, what an idiot I am. How long did it take you to get 22,000 (sorry to deny you the rite).

over 6 years

i'm not the one with 30 posts per day here

i'm not the one with 30 posts per day here

that too

over 6 years

I can see being a member for that long easily, but my posting will probably go down after a while until the next big happening and you can all go on without me. :(

I'd rather look like that than like this:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1778/dogfag28jt1.jpg

I decided to have curly hair in order to rip off Robert Plant way back before I was born. Good plan, no?

Or I guess people with curly blond hair shouldn't be allowed to grow it out or sing in rock bands. :smoke:

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You guys are all stupid. Do you ever like... take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're writing on here?

Srsly. it's actually pretty freakin' hilarious. I'm just sayin. You're silly.

wheres dead?

i really prefer this one

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maybe you guys should make some flow charts

How about a Venn diagram?

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Caine, by now I've forgotten whose side I was on, but this comment is embarrassingly lame. Come on, man.


lol, after reading it again, i'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with you. what can i say? it was a long day, and work had my brain in a twist.

Understandable. Coming here after a long day spells trouble, for sure.

Understandable. Coming here after a long day spells trouble, for sure.

Coming here during the long day can be bad, too. Why are we all ripping into each other constantly? Happy Friday, everyone. Especially those of you in cubicles and offices right now.

Rolling Stone still as shit as ever then.

Coming here during the long day can be bad, too. Why are we all ripping into each other constantly?

if you worked in a office of only four japanese people and a 40 year old man who's never moved out of his parents house, you'd be ripping into you, too.

SERENITY NOW!!!!

Rolling Stone still as shit as ever then.

Welcome back.