Like all the stuff he's been playing at asheville/fillmore?

I don't mind
question mark
Mama
if only in a dream
i'm doin the best I can
leaving lament

y'know all that stuff?

I think it'd be pretty coll and the critics would like it better

:bananamac

i don't think the world is ready for that.

They need to shift units to get more breathing space with the label. The next record (pretty sure they've done at least enough to get one) will be far more ambitious.

It's for this reason I hope Zeitgeist does well in the charts.

he's written enough quality songs like this in the past to fill a few albums

i can't stop listening to zeitgeist, the song i mean

if he could get his songwriting shit together and go a bit more lo-fi with the production it could be right up there with his best work but i doubt he'd have the balls to do it

i think it would be accepted by many fans, and possibly even many critics. certainly there would still be those who resented it for not being SDII or even zeitgeistII but all and all i think it would be well received. afterall, this is what the majority of people were hoping for regarding TFE and the chicago songs are still wanted.

id be into it

Oh you mean like that Djali Zwan album that was supposed to come out? :(

I was disappointed that there weren't any acoustic songs on Zeitgeist, but I think an entire album of acoustic songs isn't too likely at this point; Zwan really was the perfect vehicle for something like that.

Edit: And those dang Chicago songs! I forgot all about those.. pretty easy to do though since I never heard them. Stupid hub rules :rolleyes:

All soft (or almost all, more realistically)... okay.

All ACOUSTIC? No way.

I don't think an all acoustic album is the way to go at all. But I would like some acoustic songs... I was a bit sad at the lack of dynamics on Zeitgeist.

Plus, I love all these residency songs. SO. MUCH. If there'd be an album of these, that'd be so cool. Like earphoria, only different... heh. Um. Anyway, I wouldn't mind just the live versions polished up so it's better than bootleg quality, and then stick all those songs on a CD and call it whatever.

I'd freakin' buy it.

An all acoustic album would be an excellent move. so needless to say, bill would never do it.

I wish

Just release the Chicago Songs dammit.

an accoustic album would pave the way for a RETURN TO RAWK :rockon: which im pretty sure we've all had enough of.

Edit: And those dang Chicago songs! I forgot all about those.. pretty easy to do though since I never heard them. Stupid hub rules :rolleyes:
http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost.php?p=2769482&postcount=28

Pices II Electric Boogaloo.

Most the songs on Zeitgeist also sound great acoustic. They should make a compilation of acoustic performances of those songs (and the new residency songs) and release it on the internets ala Machina II.

Billy has a habit of writing amazing songs and playing them live brilliantly....and then letting them drift off never to be seen or heard from again. He's done this since I've been a fan collecting bootlegs (around '97ish), and probably before that as well. Adore version of lmgtwty, songs from the arising tour that never made the album or that were changed dramatically on the album, the early Zwan stuff, and now with zeitgeist. So, a brilliant acoustic album-he's already made a few and not released them, I'm not holding my breath for a new one though it would probably make me the happiest person in the world. I with he'd quit hiding the good songs and releasing the sub-par ones.

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Wow, thanks FB. Much appreciated

Those songs ruled, so I would love it.

why do an acoustic album?
when they can do an album the way they want
and then do radio acoustic sessions that get bootlegged to please those that want to listen to acoustic versions....
it's the same reason they never released any 'live' albums
cause they are already available, and good quality too....

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I really wish this caliber of songwriting appeared on Zeitgeist. They lyrics were meaningful, the guitar work subtle and beautiful, and the delivery emotional and powerful.

Release these songs, Corgan!

I think one of SP's strengths is the juxtaposition of loud and soft. Going too much to either side shortchanges the bands talents and makes the music come off as one dimensional. So I think an acoustic album is a bad idea.

if zeitgeist actually had the song zeitgeist on it and not just tacked on at the end of the target edition I think more people would like the album and there initial impressions of the album overall because its more dynamic of an album, with that much more ambition and giving it a greater SP feel...however im not sure where placement would go because it doesn't flow with everything

now my point is this dynamic and transitioning from harder music is classic pumpkins and is part of the overall pumpkins sound so like how many of you claim zeitgeist is lacking and missing dynamic in my opinion its that transition and variation so I don’t think an all acoustic pumpkins album would be well received (however I would enjoy it and appreciate it, and i hope this post makes sense)

The "Spun" material was superb... and so was other early Zwan material. Maybe that was actually because Billy had other musicians who contributed to the creation of songs, and criticism (a component necessary to any sort of body of work).

If he did one people here would still find a way to shit on it.

if this happened everyone would complain that theres not enough rock. if it was all rock they would complain theres not enough quiet. if it was a mix they would say its too inconsistent. these are the fans of sp

Another double album would kick ass, or at least a long album with at least 16 songs of summat. Then we'd get a fuckload of variation

shit like Always, Consumed, and wasting time by Zwan were all awesome.

Like all the stuff he's been playing at asheville/fillmore?

I don't mind
question mark
Mama
if only in a dream
i'm doin the best I can
leaving lament

y'know all that stuff?

I think it'd be pretty coll and the critics would like it better

:bananamac

Does anyone else wonder if these are leftovers from the abandoned Djali Zwan project?

I mean, he had to do SOMETHING with an albums worth of acoustic material after his band derailed in less than a year. I doubt he just threw it all away.

Does anyone else wonder if these are leftovers from the abandoned Djali Zwan project?

I mean, he had to do SOMETHING with an albums worth of acoustic material after his band derailed in less than a year. I doubt he just threw it all away.

what's to wonder?
I listen to it all the time..... love it, sing along to it, play my guitar along to it,
there really is no need for it to be all re-released....




maybe billy should go back and re-record Siamese Dream on the ukulele

adore

he's written enough quality songs like this in the past to fill a few albums

i can't stop listening to zeitgeist, the song i mean

if he could get his songwriting shit together and go a bit more lo-fi with the production it could be right up there with his best work but i doubt he'd have the balls to do it


i completely agree with you...

however, since its no longer THE RETURN record, I think a lot of the pressure will be off of him to gain commerical significance. I can't think of any other reason why he'd stress the 'creativity' so heavily rooted in these residencies other than to sketch out the band's next incarnation. These new songs are killer, and so a record would be containing them.

Does anyone else wonder if these are leftovers from the abandoned Djali Zwan project?
no.

I mean, he had to do SOMETHING with an albums worth of acoustic material after his band derailed in less than a year.
no.

I doubt he just threw it all away.
oh yeah?

what's to wonder?
I listen to it all the time..... love it, sing along to it, play my guitar along to it,
there really is no need for it to be all re-released....




maybe billy should go back and re-record Siamese Dream on the ukulele
I'm not sure you understood a single word of what I said.

I was asking whether these songs that he's now playing as a Pumpkin might not have been conceived originally for Djali Zwan (Zwan's acoustic act) which was planning on putting out an album in 2004, but the band disintegrated.

What the fuck does that have to do with re-releases and rerecording Siamese Dream? I am talking about unreleased material which exists (if at all) only in live bootlegs of Zwan shows. I doubt even that. Somehow, though, you listen to and play along with this unreleased material all the time. You're amazing.

People like you are what makes this board really "hatephoria." Maybe if you remove Billy's dick from your eye socket for a moment you'll be able to read well enough to actually understand what people are posting.

no.


no.


oh yeah?

tcm, I normally like you, but I am getting a little sick of you just posting trite, nearly content-free messages (see above) in rebuttal to me every single time I make a fucking post.

Like that time I asked about Iha's collaborations and all you could say was "is this a joke?"

EDIT:

Summary: Stop being an unrelenting jerk. When you actually take the time to say something it tends to be interesting.

you are really combative.

I'm not sure you understood a single word of what I said.

I was asking whether these songs that he's now playing as a Pumpkin might not have been conceived originally for Djali Zwan (Zwan's acoustic act) which was planning on putting out an album in 2004, but the band disintegrated.

What the fuck does that have to do with re-releases and rerecording Siamese Dream? I am talking about unreleased material which exists (if at all) only in live bootlegs of Zwan shows. I doubt even that. Somehow, though, you listen to and play along with this unreleased material all the time. You're amazing.

People like you are what makes this board really "hatephoria." Maybe if you remove Billy's dick from your eye socket for a moment you'll be able to read well enough to actually understand what people are posting.
what part of my post was "hateful"? get off your horse a little will ya
& the SD comment was for humor.... guess you missed that... :rolleyes:

the djali zwan stuff happened BEFORE msots.... i doubt he was planning on using it for future releases...

to me an acoustic album would be the same as a live acoustic recording
and now read me babbling on to justify myself:

live bootlegs have an added dimension that isn't on studio albums
what do you suppose the reason he never released the "chicago songs"?
am I allowed in your presence to assume that maybe he thought it was sub par to his expectations of a "commercial release"??
I read a quote somewhere billy babbleing about live album releases
"why would we bother, when fans are bootlegging them and doing a good job at it already.... it's not hard for a fan who is interested in a live show to find one"

listen to 2007-06-05 Zitadelle Spandau, Berlin.
enjoy your "acoustic album"
http://www.archive.org/details/tsp2007-06-05.mbho.flac16

you are really combative.
one day i'll learn to let dead dogs lie as well
but that's not what billy taught me
fight fight fight even if it blows up in your hands

and i really think Billy gets off on writing dozens of beautiful little songs to throw away. he's often said that writing comes very easily to him. there's no reason to doubt that these songs were written days before they were performed, as Billy claimed for most of them.

and i really think Billy gets off on writing dozens of beautiful little songs to throw away. he's often said that writing comes very easily to him. there's no reason to doubt that these songs were written days before they were performed, as Billy claimed for most of them.

That's possible. I was just putting forward an idea because I know I never liked letting good songs my band wrote slip through cracks or go unrecorded. But if, as you say, Billy writes a lot of them, then I could easily see him just sort of plowing through them and keeping what sticks. In that sense, there would be no need to try to use Djali Zwan material ever again, even if it was unrecorded.

EDIT: Then again, no one was bootlegging our shows, so it only ever got put down if we did it ourselves. Maybe in that sense it'd be easier to just let some songs go.

The songs you listed aren't very good though unfortunately - too bland and forgettable. Zeitgeist is much better.

The songs you listed aren't very good though unfortunately - too bland and forgettable. Zeitgeist is much better.


what are you talking about? the 'asheville songs' are fantastic. They have 10x more depth than anything off of zeitgeist.

what are you talking about? the 'asheville songs' are fantastic. They have 10x more depth than anything off of zeitgeist.
and at least 100x more emotion.

and only .01x the calories!

and only .01x the calories!

*giggle*