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its a flop

http://www.metacritic.com/music/sales_chart.shtml (www.lemonparty.org)

Kinda successful?

http://www.metacritic.com/music/sales_chart.shtml (www.lemonparty.org)

Kinda successful?
could you link to the shit-covered fisting site, that one was way worse

could you link to the shit-covered fisting site, that one was way worse
Im having a mellow day today, man.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=The+Billboard+200 (http://deaper.net/flash/batman.swf)

Well whats your defination of success?

Well whats your defination of success?
Blowjobs at 75. Billy's got this covered by befriending sluts worldwide.

My ears consider it to be a success.

My ears consider it to be a success.
:cheers:

yeah, I find it to be pretty freakin' awesome myself.

in my bodyyy

http://www.metacritic.com/music/sales_chart.shtml (www.lemonparty.org)

Kinda successful?

i was proud of myself for only falling for this once, and then you happened

i was proud of myself for only falling for this once, and then you happened


I dont think that gag will ever <i>stop</i> working on me

every god damned time!!

this thread is not redundant.

free boats for the 10th and 20th person who clicks this link - collect your boat inside (http://lemonparty.org)

hi bram

:love:

hi shannon :love:

free boats for the 10th and 20th person who clicks this link - collect your boat inside (http://lemonparty.org)


Thanks Bram I got one. There's still 4 left.

I'm gonna boat all the way home.

its growing on me. i have to unwind it first

i think i like it. time will tell


BC melts me immediately whatever he makes as long as it's not the songs that come from the place of arogance or deep bitterness

In the UK it is no 4 in the charts so it could definitely be rated as a success

As an album designed to hit hard and fast and get people hooked so they can go see all the rest of SP music and thus catapult SP career back to the forefront of mainstream for whatever years to come I would say... It's to early to tell (but more on the side of yes).

But whatever, seems like it's doing just fine. In fact my friend who never really liked them has suddenly gone on a rampage listening to songs from SD, MCIS; even TEITBITE (after hearing Tarantula and BWBW from Live Earth). He says he likes what he hears...
Personally, it's a fine album and a good move, the positive outweighs the negative with ease. It will definitely get better from here on out.

A failure for me personally....... such a sad sad failure :(

neither

Too early to tell but the billboard charts will be a good barometer.

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BAN

We won't know until the charts are released.

For me personally, I think it was better than my initial expectations.

It's too early to tell, but I think it's looking like a success so far. Not a success like Siamese Dream or MCIS mind you.

But it seems like the album is getting decent sales and a decent amount of airplay, despite mostly negative reviews from almost everyone.

Also, there seems to be good ticket sales despite high prices. I know that's not really because of the album, but it's still a good sign.

I look for this album and tour to hopefully show that they're still relevant.

It's all really setting the stage for the next album. Hopefully Billy keeps the new band members, so there is more of an actual band (with actual creative input) for the next album.

I didn't expect this to be their best album - just decent, because it's the first album back. I look for the next album to be better.

It fell below my expectations.

I am enjoying most of it and i have to say that the album sounds better than the leak i had.

i still would have prefered a different production style.


The adittion of the bonus tracks really balances the album out for me.

...Fuck it...

I need to start reading the posts before clicking the links. It's always nice to see three old men having sex and in the background here "durr-durr-durr-durrer..."

Radio-wise, I think everybody can agree that Tarantula has more than exceeded expectations. I thought Billy had an ice cubes chance in hell at getting another single into Billboards top 10 (modern, mainstream, etc).

Generally a flop. Some fans still like it tho.

http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/smashingpumpkins/zeitgeist

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from Billboard today 7/18/2007
Alternative rock veterans Smashing Pumpkins return after a seven-year absence with "Zeitgeist" (Martha's Music/Reprise), the chart's top debut at No. 2. The effort sold 145,000 units and ties 1998's "Adore" as the second best charting album of the group's career. The double-disc "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" bowed at No. 1 on the chart in 1995.

from Billboard today 7/18/2007
Alternative rock veterans Smashing Pumpkins return after a seven-year absence with "Zeitgeist" (Martha's Music/Reprise), the chart's top debut at No. 2. The effort sold 145,000 units and ties 1998's "Adore" as the second best charting album of the group's career. The double-disc "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" bowed at No. 1 on the chart in 1995.

That pretty much speaks for itself. Nice.

The effort sold 145,000 units and ties 1998's "Adore" as the second best charting album of the group's career

Nuff said. Haters go kill yourself.

Though it's good news so far, it's still not a success. Time will tell, but so far so good. All we know now is: Critics hate it, fans are split, people are buying it. But how will it do NEXT week? That should give us a better idea of how this will do in the long run.

Nuff said. Haters go kill yourself.
Tool's 10,000 Days sold 500k in its first week and was considered a critical flop. Go kill yourself.

Alternative rock veterans Smashing Pumpkins return after a seven-year absence with "Zeitgeist" (Martha's Music/Reprise), the chart's top debut at No. 2. The effort sold 145,000 units and ties 1998's "Adore" as the second best charting album of the group's career. The double-disc "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" bowed at No. 1 on the chart in 1995. Billboard.com

They need to release a new radio single ASAP.

Tool's 10,000 Days sold 500k in its first week and was considered a critical flop. Go kill yourself.


i was working in a record store when that came out; I've never seen a cd move so fast. Everyone who came in was there for that cd.

Soooo. Dogfifighter, did u buy the record?

I bought Zeitgeist, yes.

its a SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Tool's 10,000 Days sold 500k in its first week and was considered a critical flop. Go kill yourself.

i don't think this album can possibly be considered a flop by any stretch of the imagination. some people (like oh, i dunno, people at pitchfork) just have never bought what Tool sells. and i understand that, but lots and lots and lots of people do. as far as mainstream success goes, Tool has a lot of it, both commercially and critically.

i don't think this album can possibly be considered a flop by any stretch of the imagination. some people (like oh, i dunno, people at pitchfork) just have never bought what Tool sells. and i understand that, but lots and lots and lots of people do. as far as mainstream success goes, Tool has a lot of it, both commercially and critically.
It was a flop following the success of Lateralus and even A Perfect Circle. I'm just saying, you know. I actually like the record.

critics have never liked the pumpkins. The fans are always split. It's not a flop to me and that all that counts. The fact that record came out strong is good for rock music. It's is a much different world now in so many ways then it was in 1991. This is a big FUCK U, to not the haters on this site, but to the "big boys with little pee-pees", the corporate machines that try so very hard to program each and every one of us.
bye 4 now.

the corporate machines that try so very hard to program each and every one of us.

Like Warner Bros?

they would b one of machines.

It was a flop following the success of Lateralus and even A Perfect Circle. I'm just saying, you know. I actually like the record.

10,000 Days opening week numbers were 9,000 higher than Lateralus.

It went platinum in under 5 weeks. I don't think Thirteenth Step even came close to that, although I am not 100% sure. But yeah, flop? You're out of your fucking mind.

10,000 Days opening week numbers were 9,000 higher than Lateralus.

It went platinum in under 5 weeks. I don't think Thirteenth Step even came close to that, although I am not 100% sure. But yeah, flop? You're out of your fucking mind.




He said it was a critical flop, not a commercial flop. Although I'd have to disagree because most of the reviews I read for it were pretty decent.

10,000 Days opening week numbers were 9,000 higher than Lateralus.

It went platinum in under 5 weeks. I don't think Thirteenth Step even came close to that, although I am not 100% sure. But yeah, flop? You're out of your fucking mind.
not talking about sales here bro

i was using tool as a reference specifically BECAUSE they are a prime example of high sales not equaling critical success.

He said it was a critical flop, not a commercial flop. Although I'd have to disagree because most of the reviews I read for it were pretty decent.


he is also saying its a commerical flop as well.

he is also saying its a commerical flop as well.
where the fuck are you guys getting this from?

not talking about sales here bro

i was using tool as a reference specifically BECAUSE they are a prime example of high sales not equaling critical success.

i don't remember seeing these negative reviews.

metacritic has 75 for lateralus and 68 for 10,000 days. again, flop? are you just making this shit up or what?

i don't remember seeing these negative reviews.

metacritic has 75 for lateralus and 68 for 10,000 days. again, flop? are you just making this shit up or what?

Well considering Zeitgeist is floating at about 60 on Metacritic and most people here consider it a critical flop, 68 doesn't seem much better than that.

But it depends on one's definition of flop, I suppose.

I frequent metacritic... the lowest you would want your album to recieve ideally is a 75

Blowjobs at 75. Billy's got this covered by befriending sluts worldwide.

and porn stars :)

I frequent metacritic... the lowest you would want your album to recieve ideally is a 75

68 and 75 aren't far enough apart to justify calling one a flop in relation to the other. which brings me back to my original point. i read the RS and AMG reviews for 10,000 Days, both of which were positive. Again, calling 10,000 Days a flop is ridiculous. Tool will never get the kind of critical respect that say, Radiohead gets. but they've found their niche and are generally recognized for doing a damn good job.

It's going to be interesting to see the dropoff of the album sales. I think the strongest single on the album is That's the Way, and that hasn't been released yet. I wonder what will happen.

thats the way will ruin zeitgeist

thats the way will ruin zeitgeist

even though it's the best possible single they could release on Zeitgeist, yeah that makes a lot of sense.

i think c'mon lets go is a better decision

Well Mellon Collie only sold 100,000 more than Zeitgeist its first week but had lasting power because of great singles released after. Maybe Thats the Way will cause the same effect.

It's really too early to tell if it is a success. The climate of radio and record companies seem to want it all very fast and NOW! lol! The time when bands could have 3 or 4 hits off an album are over for now anyway--it seems to have been this way since the early 2000s. It breeds a one-hit-wonder atmosphere, but hopefully Zeitgeist will have some good singles other than just Tarantula.