Irish Charts

Week 1 - Number 5

http://www.irma.ie/aucharts.asp#albums

If thats for the wk then SP is in trouble because we all know thats as high as they will ever get with this.

I believe that Zeitgeist is no 4 in the UK charts but I can't prove it as the website has not been updated.

#5 isnt bad at all, i just cant believe interpol is #1

From Ozphoria, I've gathered that it is #5 on the iTunes Australia chart (and remember we got no presale codes), and supposedly JTV said that it opened at #4 on the charts but we won't know for certain until the charts update in a week from now (the album has to be in for a full week before it can chart, and it's only been 2 days so far).

Fuck, Irish charts? I guess I should have noticed that before I posted. What is that like the fuckin Delaware chart? Christ

I'm stupid. says it right on the first post. AGH!

Hey, Ireland might be small, but fuck man, dont put us in the same sentence as Delaware.

"Hi, I'm in ..... Delaware."

Fuck, Irish charts? What is that like the fuckin Delaware chart? Christ

I'm stupid


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number 7 after week 1 in Holland

Try to provide a link too guys.

#11 in Finland (http://www.yle.fi/lista/listat/albumit.php)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums.shtml

I've been checking that. It must have just gone up. #4 is ok for UK I think.

#11 in Finland (http://www.yle.fi/lista/listat/albumit.php)

are any of those records ahead of SP finnish metal bands

by the way the LOLs will be forever if the Jove outsells Zeitgeist in the USA

Velvet Revolver are performing surprisingly well. The mind boggles.

Thanks for quoting the I'm stupid part. I already corrected myself and humbly admited my stupidty but if it makes you feel good Martyr, go for it I guess.

4 in the uk matches SD and MCIS.

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/top40_singles.php

wow tarantula is falling down the charts quicker than a very fast falling thing!!

i bought my copy in ireland.

I believe that Zeitgeist is no 4 in the UK charts but I can't prove it as the website has not been updated.

That's quite poor. Downhill from there, billy boy.

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/top40_singles.php

wow tarantula is falling down the charts quicker than a very fast falling thing!!

not as fast as interpol

Thanks for quoting the I'm stupid part. I already corrected myself and humbly admited my stupidty but if it makes you feel good Martyr, go for it I guess.

Read it again. It was the Deleware comment I found stupid.

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I love the fact that The Killers' "Mr. Brightside" is outselling Tarantula in the charts. How long has that fucking single been out. 3 years?

http://restyle.3fm.nl/page/3fm_hitlijsten/Mega%20Album%20Top%20100/2007-07-15

Holland album top 100

I love the fact that The Killers' "Mr. Brightside" is outselling Tarantula in the charts. How long has that fucking single been out. 3 years?
my grandma likes the killers

my grandma likes the killersshe can't wait, huh?

4 in the uk matches SD and MCIS.


There you have it.

That's quite poor. Downhill from there, billy boy.

Any chance you get you love to shit on the Pumpkins, even when you're completely off base. Fuck off.

The Enemy's success follows consecutive top 10 hit singles "Had Enough" and "Away From Here." The album beat off some strong competition to secure the top spot, as New York-based Interpol arrived at No. 2 with "Our Love To Admire" (Capitol) and Smashing Pumpkins resumed their U.K. chart career at No. 4 with "Zeitgeist" (Reprise). That equals the peak of 1993's "Siamese Dream" and 1995's "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness."

indeed. it is false to claim the pumpkins have ever been popular in britain, even at their commercial height.

they were popular, just not "the killers" popular... thank fuck!!!

indeed. it is false to claim the pumpkins have ever been popular in britain, even at their commercial height.

britain is gonna be destroyed...havent you seen V for Vendetta????
so it doesnt realy matter what the fucking british like does it???

http://www.theofficialcharts.com/top40_singles.php

wow tarantula is falling down the charts quicker than a very fast falling thing!!

I was happy to hear the return to "rock" sound from tarantula. Unfortunately, this song has no refrain to really sing along with.....the song is just all over the place....chaotic.

The song rocks but I cant see anybody requesting tarantula because its stuck in their head.

As for velvet revolver....they will do well because they have a huge stp and gnr fanbase ....little of each will support.

Jack it up Judy - I hate people who like to dance

My sister says "Tarantula" is the catchiest thing SP ever wrote. Not that she's a huge fan or anything.

So nerrr.

I'm pretty happy with where Zeitgeist has fallen on the charts. Not #1, but better than nothing.

US charts tomorrow, right?

My sister says "Tarantula" is the catchiest thing SP ever wrote. Not that she's a huge fan or anything.

So nerrr.

I'm pretty happy with where Zeitgeist has fallen on the charts. Not #1, but better than nothing.

US charts tomorrow, right?


i'd say the catchiest song on zeitgeist would fall to "bring the light" ?

so tell your sister "nerr!!" :D lol .

next time bring your sister, ya hump. i think it will be number 2....right behind TI on the US charts.

Damn, Interpol at #1, nice. Way more deserving than Zeitgeist.

Damn, Interpol at #1, nice. Way more deserving than Zeitgeist.

No.

pretty sure the album that deserves to be #1 in this case is the one that sells the most

pretty sure the album that deserves to be #1 in this case is the one that sells the most

Interpol's new album sucks.

Thank you for your valuable insight.

#4 in the UK - matching SD and MCIS there - is nice. I don't think Zeitgeist will have the lasting appeal that SD or MCIS had, but at least it has a respectable debut.

When we have Zeitgeist chart numbers for more countries, we should make a post with all of them alongside chart numbers for SD, MCIS, Adore, Machina, MSOTS, and TFE.

Or perhaps first week album sales are more indicative... because chart rank depends entirely on what else is out.

Chart Position #1 RIHANNA FT JAY-Z - UMBRELLA

I have lost all faith in good music. How can such a shitty song stay at number 1?????

Its like an 8 year old wrote it.

Chart Position #1 RIHANNA FT JAY-Z - UMBRELLA

I have lost all faith in good music. How can such a shitty song stay at number 1?????

Its like an 8 year old wrote it.

Honestly though the songwriting on Zeitgeist is fucking horrible.

i'd say the catchiest song on zeitgeist would fall to "bring the light" ?

so tell your sister "nerr!!" lol .

(I have to agree with you on that!)

#4 in the UK - matching SD and MCIS there - is nice. I don't think Zeitgeist will have the lasting appeal that SD or MCIS had, but at least it has a respectable debut.

When we have Zeitgeist chart numbers for more countries, we should make a post with all of them alongside chart numbers for SD, MCIS, Adore, Machina, MSOTS, and TFE.

Or perhaps first week album sales are more indicative... because chart rank depends entirely on what else is out.

You woulsd also have to take in account what other albums came out that week in the UK.

i've never heard of rihanna, interpol or the enemy

god bless the internet replacing television in my life

Zeitgeist on 8 in Germany
http://www.laut.de/vorlaut/charts/wom/album.htm

Honestly though the songwriting on Zeitgeist is fucking horrible.
You have a point. However the lyrics on some of the other songs are much stronger than Tarantula's.

You have a point. However the lyrics on some of the other songs are much stronger than Tarantula's.

Which songs, please give clear example of the "much stronger" lyrics.

i've never heard of rihanna, interpol
do you live in a hole?

i've never heard of rihanna and i like hip hop

siamese dream debuted at #4 because it was good. zeitgeist debuted at #4 because siamese dream was good.

siamese dream debuted at #4 because it was good. zeitgeist debuted at #4 because siamese dream was good.

heh, funny

siamese dream did not debut at #4

fixed.

siamese dream debuted at #4 because it was good. zeitgeist debuted at #4 because siamese dream was good.
hahaha. someone i doubt SD debute at #4 but that was still funny

Seems like anywhere in the top ten is pretty terrific. I predict this album will make it to #1 on many charts around the world, and have some staying power to boot.

so will the US charts come out tomorrow? not to be a dick but none of the other ones really matter.

Album is probably going to fall very fast after the first week.

#1 in new zealand (http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp)

you might have to change it from the singles chart to the album chart to view. heh, traveling wilburys collection was #1 last week

edit: shit, it was #1 for the last four weeks. new crowded house album couldn't knock it off the top of the charts, but zeitgeist did. colour me amused

#1 in new zealand (http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp)

you might have to change it from the singles chart to the album chart to view. heh, traveling wilburys collection was #1 last week

edit: shit, it was #1 for the last four weeks. new crowded house album couldn't knock it off the top of the charts, but zeitgeist did. colour me amused

That's pleasantly surprising...and that was without me buying it *gasp* (I ordered it off Amazon).

Wonder how long it'll stay...though I don't suppose it matters much.

don't worry, the traveling wilburys will be back!

are any of those records ahead of SP finnish metal bands

Two, the #1 record is our Idols winner and it's a heavy metal record. And a horrible piece of shit, I'm sure.

when are the US charts updated today?

Well according to HITS Daily Double, Zeitgeist debuted at #3!! Seriously, that's not bad at all. The thing that's embarrassing is that it's behind T.I. and HANNAH MONTANA. WTF. oh well, here's the link : http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

^ That's not final yet. Only 48% of the returns so far. I'm pretty certain Zeitgeist will be #2

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=The+Billboard+200

not updated yet

#1 in canada (http://www.canadaeast.com/ce2/docroot/article.php?articleID=30785)

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=The+Billboard+200

not updated yet

I don't think the billboard site updates until Thursday. Of course I could be wrong.

Seems like anywhere in the top ten is pretty terrific. I predict this album will make it to #1 on many charts around the world, and have some staying power to boot.

lol

#1 in canada (http://www.canadaeast.com/ce2/docroot/article.php?articleID=30785)


Thats good news.

Well it obviously won't do better than Hanna Montana I mean come on that album is just a classic

#1 in canada (http://www.canadaeast.com/ce2/docroot/article.php?articleID=30785)

i just searched this out and found this same link. it actually didn't surprise me to see the smashing pumpkins at #1 for some reason. good for them.

Which songs, please give clear example of the "much stronger" lyrics.
For God and Country and Pomp and Circumstances. There is nothing to crindge at in these two songs lyrically at least(Not counting lalalalala). "We can fail in style" was the only line that moved me in the album.

For God and Country and Pomp and Circumstances. There is nothing to crindge at in these two songs lyrically at least(Not counting lalalalala). "We can fail in style" was the only line that moved me in the album.

Yeah, "It's time to wake up" was a really powerful line. I'd never heard it put like that before.

For God and Country kinda sucks lyrically, I think.

But the lyrics on the songs aren't God-awful. *giant shrug*

Can someone explain to me what the fuck hannah montana is? I looked it up on wikipedia but all I got was some Disney show about a girl who leads a double life as a pop singer. I have to assume this is unrelated to whatever hannah montana actually is.

Can someone explain to me what the fuck hannah montana is? I looked it up on wikipedia but all I got was some Disney show about a girl who leads a double life as a pop singer. I have to assume this is unrelated to whatever hannah montana actually is.

She is the illegitimate child of NFL Hall of Famer Joe Montana. He denies he is the father to this day but the famous name has helped her early success. That and the fact that she once performed a 500-man gangbang in the city of Joe, Montana just to get back at her father for denying her existence. Quite a sad story actually but the record label is eating it up...

Can someone explain to me what the fuck hannah montana is? I looked it up on wikipedia but all I got was some Disney show about a girl who leads a double life as a pop singer. I have to assume this is unrelated to whatever hannah montana actually is.

No, that was the reference. To the Disney Channel chick.

INTERPOLS NEW ALBUM SUCKS INTERPOLS NEW ALBUM SUCKS INTERPOLS NEW ALBUM SUCKS

I cant beleive they are beating teh zeit.

Update: the final results for Hits Daily Double are now in.....It's at #2!!!! it beat out that stupid pre-teen cunt and interpol. fuck yea.

what's hits daily double?

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

Update: the final results for Hits Daily Double are now in.....It's at #2!!!! it beat out that stupid pre-teen cunt and interpol. fuck yea.
can we start taking bets on 2nd week percentage drop?

and how did nickelbacks album get a 50% jump? did they release another "this is how you remind me" remix?

Can someone explain to me what the fuck hannah montana is? I looked it up on wikipedia but all I got was some Disney show about a girl who leads a double life as a pop singer. I have to assume this is unrelated to whatever hannah montana actually is.


Hannah montana, is actually miley cyrus, who is the daughter of billy ray cyrus.

can we start taking bets on 2nd week percentage drop?

and how did nickelbacks album get a 50% jump? did they release another "this is how you remind me" remix?


Eh. It beat out interpol, thats noteworthy heh. Considering many thought this thing wouldnt even sell 70k its first week.

IF THIS ALBUM TAKES A YEAR TO BREAK A MILL IN THE US IT WILL BE CONSIDERED A huge failure

Even if album sales drop after the 1st week, I don't really give a shit. At least it debuted strong and there was genuine interest. It's better than being a flop to begin with.

IF THIS ALBUM TAKES A YEAR TO BREAK A MILL IN THE US IT WILL BE CONSIDERED A huge failure

not at all. selling a million copies of an album for a band nowadays is a fairly hard task unless they are a trl favorite type of group.

They have to release another radio single now perferrably Thats the Way to keep this album a float. Tarantula got whatever hard core fans are left but they need something to catch the casual listener.

Canada - Nice.

Update: the final results for Hits Daily Double are now in.....It's at #2!!!! it beat out that stupid pre-teen cunt and interpol. fuck yea.

Since I've had a bad day, and just to be a dick. Hannah Montana album is in it's third week, after an impressive first week sales of 322,000. So yeah, I don't think it meant that much for Zeitgeist to outsale that album by 20,000.

Regardless, this has to be a bit of disappointment. Considering it's been 7 years since the last Pumpkins album, you would have figure interest would have donned a better first week of sales. Possibly along the lines of Nine Inch Nails: With Teeth, and Tool's: 10,000 Days, both of which came five to six years after there last releases, and both generated strong first weeks sales of 275,000 and 553,000 respectively.

I'm certain the album will go Gold, and likely out sale Machina, but I don't think it will go Platinum unless one of the singles following Tarantula breaks big.

She is the illegitimate child of NFL Hall of Famer Joe Montana. He denies he is the father to this day but the famous name has helped her early success. That and the fact that she once performed a 500-man gangbang in the city of Joe, Montana just to get back at her father for denying her existence. Quite a sad story actually but the record label is eating it up...

actually the truth is that she's billy ray cyrus's daughter which is funnier than what you just posted.

IF THIS ALBUM TAKES A YEAR TO BREAK A MILL IN THE US IT WILL BE CONSIDERED A huge failure


Are you stupid? A million in this day in age is a great success.

so how many units are they estimating it sold?

if i HAD to guess, i'd say 130,000

if that debuts at #2, then i'd say week 2 would be something like #27.

http://www.fimi.it/classifiche.asp?idtipo_classifica=1

italy n. 5

so how many units are they estimating it sold?

if i HAD to guess, i'd say 130,000

if that debuts at #2, then i'd say week 2 would be something like #27.


6-10 years ago 130k would have placed you #8 or #9 in the charts.

6-10 years ago 130k would have placed you #8 or #9 in the charts.

130k today is the equivalent of 250k to 300k 6 or 7 years ago.. so yeah, basically it's a good debut.

I've noticed that alot of country singers still sell like 4 or 5 million.

probably because their fans don't believe in no daggum computers.

Update: the final results for Hits Daily Double are now in.....It's at #2!!!! it beat out that stupid pre-teen cunt and interpol. fuck yea.
does it say where bad religion landed? i'm guessing between 45 and 65

does it say where bad religion landed? i'm guessing between 45 and 65

close enough...it came in at 42

close enough...it came in at 42
rad!

so did the us album charts ever come out?

When is this rap/r&b domination of the charts gonna wane? I can't wait

When is this rap/r&b domination of the charts gonna wane? I can't wait
sometime after the people that grew up on it lose interest

Interpol's new album sucks.
its about as bad as Zeitgeist

Honestly, the musical climate isn't the same as it was in the heydays of SP and I really doubt they will ever become the mainstaple of pop rock culture they were in 1996. Unless Billy undergoes a massive and shameless sellout into mainstream culture (ala Sting or something)--and with the music to match--the popularity he might dream of just won't be there. I feel a slightly different kind of rock music is in fashion amongst youth now.

I don't particularly feel like Corgan is so concerned with taking back the popularity or the relevance he had back in say '96. I get the impression that BC/JC are simply back to create music and do what they love to do, and in that case, Zeitgeist certainly isn't a bad start.

Also, you have to keep in mind the impact and growing popularity of p2p networks and BitTorrent on the music industry. Over the last decade...

Zeitgeist #5 in Switzerland

That's damn good. Highest SP peak was Machina with #12

I'm sure pumpkins fans are all leechers off the internet after Machina II was put out so maybe thatll put their sales much lower than it should be...

not really surprised about NZ #1 debut actually, it's being marketed to hell and back. i saw a guy pasting up posters for it in mah city (Wellington), and asked him for a couple, and he gave me two.

plus i've seen kids all overr myspace talking about the pumpkins and how they're going out to buy the album soon rahrahrah. it wont be a smash hit but i think it'll be adequate in warner's eyes.

#1 in canada... so embarrassed for my country.

it will drop fast.

its about as bad as Zeitgeist

I'd rather listen to Zeitgeist.

Still hoping to see a #1 US debut. That's enough to tell us that people are ignoring the bad review and buying the disc anyway. It also must mean that there is a large influx of new, young fans or that there has been a reawakening of the fans from the SD/MCIS era.

I am actually quite surprised by how much of a comeback this really is. I mean, yeah, people are trying to sink their teeth into Billy, the band, and the album at every opportunity (even by fans with nothing better to do than pine for an SD2), but they are getting a lot of TV time, radio play, news and web coverage, and they are part of the public discourse for the first time in a long time. People are talking about the Pumpkins.

Just yesterday I was walking down to a bar here in Cleveland before the Indians game and I was talking to a friend about the album a little bit, and right as we walked into the bar, what should be playing but "Tarantula."

Love it or hate it, Zeitgeist IS leaving a mark. People are paying more attention to the Pumpkins that they have since 1997 when they won that VMA.

Last week's #1 sold over 460,000 copies. That's insane. If Zeitgeist does that in the first month I'd be delighted.

So is the dailydouble number and #2 debut official or not?
I would be pissed if Bon Jovi outsells them opening week. (Yeah, Billy would definitely be 'Jovied' then)

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=77025

So it didn't even break 150K mark... Compared with sales of Tool, RHCP, NIN and BON JOVI, it looks pretty weak. It will be a long way to Gold.

For the lazy:

SMASHING PUMPKINS' "Zeitgeist" sold 145,000 copies in the United States during its first week of release to debut at position No. 2 on The Billboard 200 chart.

"Zeitgeist" contains the first new music under the PUMPKINS banner since frontman Billy Corgan disbanded the group in late 2000.

Corgan and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin are the only original PUMPKINS members in this lineup, which introduces new guitarist Jeff Schroeder, bassist Ginger Reyes and keyboardist Lisa Harriton. None of them played on the album, however.

The following are notable heavy metal/hard rock U.S. sales debuts for the week ending July 15, 2007, as reported by Nielsen SoundScan (all CD figures are rounded to the nearest thousand except those under 7,000, which are rounded to the nearest hundred; The Billboard 200 chart position *******d, where applicable):

SMASHING PUMPKINS - "Zeitgeist": 145,000 (#2)
BAD RELIGION – "New Maps of Hell": 21,000 (#35)
DARKEST HOUR – "Deliver Us": 6,600 (#110)
DANZIG – "The Lost Tracks of Danzig": 4,600 (#164)
NILE - "Legacy of the Catacombs": 800
BEATALLICA - "Sgt. Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band": 800

#2 in America.
So what went #1?

Also, how many album sales were fanboys and fangirls buying a second or third copy? There should be an adjusted figure.

Also, how many album sales were fanboys and fangirls buying a second or third copy? There should be an adjusted figure.

Ugh, it's called 'album sales', not how many people bought the album.
Do you adjust movie boxoffice number for fans watching second or third time too?

For the lazy:



#2 in America.
So what went #1?

Also, how many album sales were fanboys and fangirls buying a second or third copy? There should be an adjusted figure.
i imagine ti remained #1.

and an adjusted figure? why are you rooting against them? and they can't adjust, there's no way to figure it out. and album sold is an album sold. don't matter to who.

I have a feeling there will be a big drop off in the second week.

I can see by the Amazon sales alone its already dying down considerably.

hmmm that's shame!

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003613204

I have a feeling there will be a big drop off in the second week.

I can see by the Amazon sales alone its already dying down considerably.

You may be right about the 2nd week, but it's still #4 on Amazon.

Itunes its #11 though.

Ah, T.I... I could have seen him for free, and I'm glad I didn't:

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The funny thing about this concert is that the reaction of most Cornell students was "wtf? texas instruments?"

from Billboard

The effort sold 145,000 units and ties 1998's "Adore" as the second best charting album of the group's career.

that's not bad.

I have a feeling there will be a big drop off in the second week.

I can see by the Amazon sales alone its already dying down considerably.
i'd guess it'll be #27 and then #46 and then...

It could easily be top ten next week.

What a load of shite that is.

Ah, T.I... I could have seen him for free, and I'm glad I didn't:

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The funny thing about this concert is that the reaction of most Cornell students was "wtf? texas instruments?"


what a load of shite!!!

wow.. record sales in general for everyone are doing terrible. I remember when selling 50,000 copies landed an artist at #20.. now it's a top ten number? holy shit.

Ugh, it's called 'album sales', not how many people bought the album.
Do you adjust movie boxoffice number for fans watching second or third time too?
and an adjusted figure? why are you rooting against them? and they can't adjust, there's no way to figure it out. and album sold is an album sold. don't matter to who.
It - was - a - joke.

I was merely pointing out that the album sales numbers can be a bit misleading as a statistic indicating popularity. Obviously you couldn't adjust the numbers even if you wanted to.

wow.. record sales in general for everyone are doing terrible. I remember when selling 50,000 copies landed an artist at #20.. now it's a top ten number? holy shit.

People in general just don't buy that many cds any more. Blame the internet and illegal downloading if you want but the truth is the CD is over 20 years old now, they need a better product. The movie industry moved to DVDs providing a superior quality product over VHS. If the record company had done something similar offering a new format that was vastly superior in audio quality then I think more people would be willing to buy it. Even with legal online sales the quality of format is somewhat crappy just barely on par with CDs. Give me a legal high quality product and I'd be more willing to pay, otherwise who cares.

People in general just don't buy that many cds any more. Blame the internet and illegal downloading if you want but the truth is the CD is over 20 years old now, they need a better product. The movie industry moved to DVDs providing a superior quality product over VHS. If the record company had done something similar offering a new format that was vastly superior in audio quality then I think more people would be willing to buy it. Even with legal online sales the quality of format is somewhat crappy just barely on par with CDs. Give me a legal high quality product and I'd be more willing to pay, otherwise who cares.

Record stores are fucked. Even with the development of a product with improved sound quality (eg. music DVD), the future of music is digital. The internet is the future of music sales (iTunes, etc.).

there are talks amongst the labels to write up digital release only contracts with artists..

ti is awesome.

This is probably a question, I am not sure anyone knows. What is the profit financially from record sales these days? I mean, almost 150,000 records has got to net you something, but if this album goes Gold, I would say that is a sucess. From a musicians standpoint, where is the money made? Touring?

This is probably a question, I am not sure anyone knows. What is the profit financially from record sales these days? I mean, almost 150,000 records has got to net you something, but if this album goes Gold, I would say that is a sucess. From a musicians standpoint, where is the money made? Touring?



nowadays mainly touring.

the industry standard: Artists make $.84 cents per record sold.

$.84 x 145,000 = $121,800

Someone should've pointed these numbers out to the ass clowns who keep insisting that Billy Corgan is trying to make loads of money off of us multiple releases.

If, in your best selling week, you make $121,800 total dollars, then you aren't making all that much. I mean, if you made that every week, you'd be a fucking bazillionaire, but still.

People in general just don't buy that many cds any more. Blame the internet and illegal downloading if you want but the truth is the CD is over 20 years old now, they need a better product. The movie industry moved to DVDs providing a superior quality product over VHS. If the record company had done something similar offering a new format that was vastly superior in audio quality then I think more people would be willing to buy it. Even with legal online sales the quality of format is somewhat crappy just barely on par with CDs. Give me a legal high quality product and I'd be more willing to pay, otherwise who cares.

Well there is more difficulty in switching because there are many times more cd players than dvd players (cars, home, discmans, etc), so it is harder to switch to a new standard.

Also, I don't know why you'd want this. Record companies are dying to make things so that there can be no piracy. They'd be so locked down, they probably wouldn't even play in every "new cd" player that you own.

who cares, zeitgeist sucks anyways

Second place isn't bad.

Those are pretty bad numbers considering the 4 version ploy and the fact that it only doubled TFE's sales...

$.84 x 145,000 = $121,800

Someone should've pointed these numbers out to the ass clowns who keep insisting that Billy Corgan is trying to make loads of money off of us multiple releases.

If, in your best selling week, you make $121,800 total dollars, then you aren't making all that much. I mean, if you made that every week, you'd be a fucking bazillionaire, but still.

Billy is trying to make money....but who isnt....problem is the lack of quality and emotion in the new product ....or any product he has made over the last decade.

New album is necessary for buzz to promote touring...touring makes tons of money.

Billy Corgan - hahaha I cut starz off when it was just getting good HAHAH

Those are pretty bad numbers considering the 4 version ploy and the fact that it only doubled TFE's sales...


I second....I have NEVER seen a pumpkins album so heavily marketed before. I am online a lot these days and through myspace....pumpkins stuff is everywhere. The spin cd....all the radio buzz. Anyway....its safe to say this album will not go platinum...maybe gold.

Billy Corgan - Theres clouds in my shower

You make your money now by touring and merchandise.

145k is a good number for this day and age.

Those that thought this album was going to sell a million or more we're just kidding themselves.

If Tool can sell 500k+ I would assume SP could sell at least 250k in the first week, but I'm sure the shittiness of the album coupled with horrid reviews had something to do with that

so of that 121,000 the record made, how much goes into Billy/Jimmy's pockets assuming the rest of the band doesn't get record sales?

I guess my point it is kind of a question. How much money do bands make for doing tours? 121,000 is not much more than my household income, but yet you get the perception that bands make tons of money. Are even name brand musicians not able to make money in today's industry?

They need to release a new radio single ASAP.

so of that 121,000 the record made, how much goes into Billy/Jimmy's pockets assuming the rest of the band doesn't get record sales?

I guess my point it is kind of a question. How much money do bands make for doing tours? 121,000 is not much more than my household income, but yet you get the perception that bands make tons of money. Are even name brand musicians not able to make money in today's industry?
Don't forget that Billy is making money off of all 10 albums he has ever released, not just Zeitgeist. Not to mention touring and merchandise.

If Tool can sell 500k+ I would assume SP could sell at least 250k in the first week, but I'm sure the shittiness of the album coupled with horrid reviews had something to do with that

I agree, but tool fans know what they are getting in an album. Despite 5 year wait times and meaningless musical interludes between each track....a tool album will not dissapoint fans because the music does not change drastically between albums. Not knocking tool, aenima and lateralus are quite good

I think old sp fans have seen a lot of differnent corgan through the years and are hesitant to get on the bandwagon again.

Gene Parmesan

Yeah, I bet everytime he puts out something new, sales from his old albums go up also. Don't they usually sign some kind of upfront bonus as well. I think SP did this before SD.

Oh, I understand dog fighter. I am sure he banked quite a bit of it. I recall the interview where he said he was still sleeping in the parking garage even after SD made it big...

I guess where my thinking is leading me to is this: by the time a band records an album, pays producers (I am sure terry date, RTB, Flood, Butch do not produce an album for free), records it, promotes it, ...etc...a band must make very little profit it at all. So why even record new music? Why not go the Dave Matthews/Bon Jovi route which is make a new album every five years, and just tour and play the same meaningless songs all the time.

Oh, I understand dog fighter. I am sure he banked quite a bit of it. I recall the interview where he said he was still sleeping in the parking garage even after SD made it big...
If you believe this, you're a bona-fide Corgan cock sitter.

Just think about how huge MCIS was. He is set FOR LIFE.

Explain what a corgan cock sitter is?

$.84 x 145,000 = $121,800

Someone should've pointed these numbers out to the ass clowns who keep insisting that Billy Corgan is trying to make loads of money

$80 hoodies.

$20 tickets.

#8 in austria (mcis peaked at 36, adore at 7, machina at 10, rotten apples on 22)

#5 in switzerland

not at all. selling a million copies of an album for a band nowadays is a fairly hard task unless they are a trl favorite type of group.
the pumpkins are an established act and record labels dont care if its hard to sell a mill . thats the point they start to actually make money. so an act like the pumkins should reach a mill withing 6 months if they dont it will be considered a failure. also they made less than projected.

how many have been sold worldwide?

Just curious... I'm not about to look myself.

I'm guessing Top Five or Top Ten next week for the US... and it'll probably hold most of the same positions in the international charts.

Are iTunes sales counted in the US charts? It's been falling slowly thanks to the MySpace whores taking up the Top Ten spots.

It looks like Zeitgeist will not make a drastic fall down the charts afterall:

From Hits Daily Double:

"Disney’s Hannah Montana 2 remains strong at #2, with between 120-125k, leapfrogging repeat winner T.I.’s Grand Hustle/Atlantic album, which drops to #3, followed by last week’s runner-up, Reprise’s Smashing Pumpkins, at #4."

the industry standard: Artists make $.84 cents per record sold.

Artists with a 'name', however, will make rather a lot more than that. Despite Corgan being past his commercial prime he still sells more records than the average 'indie' band, and will therefore be on a better contract. Rest assured, Smashing Pumpkins will be bringing in much more than $.84 per record sold.

I recall reading in the late '90s about Paul McCartney earning around £4 per album sold from his new releases (which were hardly chart smashes at the time) in the UK. Now due to something or other he did in the 60s Paul McCartney can probably name his deal despite not being a multi-platinum artist in this era, but still, if faded superstars like the Pumpkins are on contracts even half as lucrative, they're sitting very pretty indeed.

It looks like Zeitgeist will not make a drastic fall down the charts afterall:

From Hits Daily Double:

"Disney’s Hannah Montana 2 remains strong at #2, with between 120-125k, leapfrogging repeat winner T.I.’s Grand Hustle/Atlantic album, which drops to #3, followed by last week’s runner-up, Reprise’s Smashing Pumpkins, at #4."

If that holds firm, they're probably looking at another 70k +, which really isn't bad at all considering the hardcore are now out of the way. If that proves the case the next couple of weeks will really show whether or not this has any sort of staying power in the US chart - 70k-ish followed by a couple of 50k-ish weeks would bode well.

billy will make 10 million from this album and all the tours and merchandise methinks

there are talks amongst the labels to write up digital release only contracts with artists..

this has been happening since 2004

Just think about how huge MCIS was. He is set FOR LIFE.

this guy knows wassup lol

:rolleyes: I'm sure SP signed a similar deal to the original TLC deal...they are making 0 off of this album....

I was reading the SP news on their site and they list the album debuting at #8 in Australia. Warner don't know where those figures came from because they usually get those before the band...
Official figures are released on Monday 23rd July... I guess it will definitely be a top 10.

http://entertainment1.sympatico.msn.ca/Music/Charts/index

Top 10 Albums

The Smashing Pumpkins may have been gone, but they weren't forgotten, as their comeback album Zeitgeist went straight to the top of the Canadian charts, displacing Bon Jovi who had sat in the No. 1 position for three weeks. The home-grown illScarlett's first full length effort came in at No. 8 while controversy over Avril Lavigne’s album has only helped push The Best Damn Thing up the charts

Just went to the ARIA site and Zeitgeist has officially debuted at #7 in Australia. Looks like a lot of crap like Pink, Fergie and Michael Buble got boosts from ad campaigns that have been running while I didn't see one ad about Zeitgeist all week. Nice job Warner.

Bon Jovi who had sat in the No. 1 position for three weekss

oh my god canada is so lame

i bet the new bon jovi album wasn't even #1 in new jersey

#7 in Germany

$20 tickets.

$65

Just went to the ARIA site and Zeitgeist has officially debuted at #7 in Australia. Looks like a lot of crap like Pink, Fergie and Michael Buble got boosts from ad campaigns that have been running while I didn't see one ad about Zeitgeist all week. Nice job Warner.

I'm actually in regular contact with the label rep from Warner Australia and I brought this point up a few weeks ago. Basically, the amount of promo marketing is up to Warner US and they don't see the album doing well in Australia, so they didn't do things like promotional packs/giveaways, posters, street press (very little street press anyway! I did see one in Perth's street mag, X-Press this week) and all that because they saw it as a waste of time. It's one of those Catch 22 situations - if they advertise and it's for nothing and the album doesn't sell well, then they've wasted time and money, but if they don't advertise, then they don't make as many sales as they could have...

I think to debut at #7 in a chart where the places are predominantly filled by mass produced/mass marketed cookie cutter acts is still pretty impressive in 2007. This is the first week. Warner are happy with the exposure that the album is getting in Australia right now - it's been elevated to medium rotation on Triple J which is the target demographic, rage and JTV have been playing the Tarantula clip at least 5 times throughout the weekend, and even a few commercial stations have played Tarantula a few times over the weeks.

oh my god canada is so lame

i bet the new bon jovi album wasn't even #1 in new jersey

this coming from the guy who supports TI VS TIP?

I think to debut at #7 in a chart where the places are predominantly filled by mass produced/mass marketed cookie cutter acts is still pretty impressive in 2007. This is the first week. Warner are happy with the exposure that the album is getting in Australia right now - it's been elevated to medium rotation on Triple J which is the target demographic, rage and JTV have been playing the Tarantula clip at least 5 times throughout the weekend, and even a few commercial stations have played Tarantula a few times over the weeks.

Well hopefully Warner US see this as encouragement to actually spend the damn money to promote over here, then?

Artists with a 'name', however, will make rather a lot more than that. Despite Corgan being past his commercial prime he still sells more records than the average 'indie' band, and will therefore be on a better contract. Rest assured, Smashing Pumpkins will be bringing in much more than $.84 per record sold.

I recall reading in the late '90s about Paul McCartney earning around £4 per album sold from his new releases (which were hardly chart smashes at the time) in the UK. Now due to something or other he did in the 60s Paul McCartney can probably name his deal despite not being a multi-platinum artist in this era, but still, if faded superstars like the Pumpkins are on contracts even half as lucrative, they're sitting very pretty indeed.

You also got to remember that the band MUST pay back the label every penny that the label invested in them (through advertisements, recording costs, touring costs, videos, artwork, and of course...the advance) and they have to pay them through their royalties, i.e. If a band is a million in debt to a label and they receive $.25 an album, they have to sell 4 million album before they see penny one. Also take into consideration that producer will take points for the tracks they work on. I am merely ranting about this because Billy will not see a dime from actual record sales. He will from touring, airplay, merchandise, but not from record sales.

If I am not mistaken didn't he and jimmy pay for the recording costs, they didn't have a label when they first went into the studio? Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.

Well hopefully Warner US see this as encouragement to actually spend the damn money to promote over here, then?

Hopefully being the operative word.
(Sorry I've been cagey with my info and sources!)

I'm actually in regular contact with the label rep from Warner Australia and I brought this point up a few weeks ago. Basically, the amount of promo marketing is up to Warner US and they don't see the album doing well in Australia, so they didn't do things like promotional packs/giveaways, posters, street press (very little street press anyway! I did see one in Perth's street mag, X-Press this week) and all that because they saw it as a waste of time. It's one of those Catch 22 situations - if they advertise and it's for nothing and the album doesn't sell well, then they've wasted time and money, but if they don't advertise, then they don't make as many sales as they could have...

I think to debut at #7 in a chart where the places are predominantly filled by mass produced/mass marketed cookie cutter acts is still pretty impressive in 2007. This is the first week. Warner are happy with the exposure that the album is getting in Australia right now - it's been elevated to medium rotation on Triple J which is the target demographic, rage and JTV have been playing the Tarantula clip at least 5 times throughout the weekend, and even a few commercial stations have played Tarantula a few times over the weeks.

I was disappointed that Triple J didn't make it it's feature album but I suppose Triple J isn't the same network I used to listen to religiously. I can barely stand to listen to it for more than one or two songs these days. I think if Warner actually start spending a bit the album could go up. No doubt there will be people who'll look at the charts and will be the first they've heard that the Pumpkins have a new album out. It was the same with me and A Perfect Circle's eMotive.

check out "All You Need To Know About the Music Business" by donald Passman for all the details on recording contracts and how they are dealt, who makes what and how the artists are paid.

also, MCIS sold a lot in its prime, but i dont think it's flying off the shelves these days. Im sure Billy's not collecting a large sum of money on a yearly basis for this record anymore, same with all of the others.

Zeitgeist drops to number 33 in the UK charts...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/albums.shtml

Doesn't Billy get a larger cut of each album since Martha's Music (the actual label the record is on, WB just distributes it I think) is really just a corporation or label name for Billy Corgan? Plus, it has always been said that the money comes from touring and merch, not record sales. That's why we pay $30-40 for a damn t-shirt that the band has all of $4 invested in overhead...

Who gives a flying fuck how much the band are making from the album and assorted merchandise!

I'm just glad they're making music again - I'm a collector, so I really couldn't care less about the upwards of $200 that I spent on Zeitgeist editions and merch so far this year.

Who gives a flying fuck how much the band are making from the album and assorted merchandise!


the band

Who gives a flying fuck how much the band are making from the album and assorted merchandise!

I'm just glad they're making music again - I'm a collector, so I really couldn't care less about the upwards of $200 that I spent on Zeitgeist editions and merch so far this year.


whoa.

i feel like bring the light as a single would give them a boost more than that's the way will

i feel like bring the light as a single would give them a boost more than that's the way will

I agree.

If anyone thinks this album is going to hit it big, please save yourself the disappointment.

If anyone thinks this album is going to hit it big, please save yourself the disappointment.

quiet you.

Cause Bring the Light doesn't exactly fit in next to mall punk, nu metal, and rap

Cause Bring the Light doesn't exactly fit in next to mall punk, nu metal, and rap

I think it would be a great single....of course it wouldn't be a huge crossover hit or anything, but I think it would at least sustain Zeitgeist in the charts somewhat.

I think Bring the Light could make a good single. Of course, the two songs on the album that I think would work the best as singles seem to be the two everyone but me hates: (Come On) Let's Go and Starz. I think COLG would appeal to the casual fans out there who just want to hear a good, straightforward rock song with some cool riffs and lead work. Starz, I believe, would appeal to those who are looking for something odd that stands out but is still catchy.

I know the netphorians have been ripping these two songs a new asshole for whatever reason, but I seriously think both of them would be much stronger singles than That's the Way. It's not that I think That's the Way is a bad song; I just think it comes off a little too "poppy" and will end up turning off people for that reason. The more I've listened to the song, the more I think that Billy wasn't trying to make it uber-pop radio friendly, but radio listeners who aren't as attuned to SP as the hardcore fans are may write it off in favor of Insert-Emo-Band-Here's new song about cutting themselves.

i feel like bring the light as a single would give them a boost more than that's the way will
so do i, however my friends who have purchased the album have said at first listen thats the way was their favorite.

On Hits Daily Double nearly 70% sales are in and Zeitgeist is standing at #18 with sales of about 18,000.

So it appears although the album will more than likely climb several spots on the chart, it doesn't appear like it will be in the top 10 in it's second week.

Their final chart has it at #13 with 37,158 sold. Massive decline, and really if there's not a big turnaround it'll be a big test for Billy Corgan's future. It's no secret that he wants to a big sales success, but if he comes to terms with the possibility that 1m copies sold worldwide of each future album is about the ceiling, he might just find himself in a pretty cool, relaxed place artistically.

The likes of, for example, Tom Waits, Nick Cave & Leonard Cohen have never, ever had the luxury of being as huge as Corgan (even today he has far more 'built in' sales from a pretty sizeable hardcore) yet they've all ploughed a very solid artistic furrow and have produced myriad classic albums & made many, many millions of $$££ between them without ever attempting to hit the top of the charts.

it'd suck if they called it quits after this album/tour because it didn't do as well as past albums

I'm SO worried that will happen. And that would totally fucking suck. The only saving grace about that situation is that at least it would mean that SP went out with a great album instead of Machina. (I know this is a matter of opinion of course, but I think Zeitgeist is a much better effort than Machina I or II).

Too bad the t shirts are so ugly!

I doubt they'll call it quits again because of poor record sales. I think Billy really just wanted his band/songs back.

He wouldn't be surprised by poor record sales after Adore and Machina. Hell, this album has already sold way more than TFE did.

They'll probably make alot more from touring than they would even if the album sold well.

I'm guessing/hoping Billy will be content with being able to tour and almost always selling out 3000-5000 people venues. That's not a bad living.

I'd be surprised if they quit after one album and tour. Billy and company have put alot of effort into getting a touring band together (rehersing, learning old songs, building chemistry), and I don't think he would want to waste that effort, especially when the new members have not been able to contribute anything to an album yet.

The thing is, I doubt he will continue to sell out shows. Once the revival thing wears off people won't be driven to the tour by new material. The venues will get smaller and smaller until he's playing state fairs and rib cook-offs.

Dont claim it to have poor sales yet, the second single hasnt even been released yet. If that catches on, it could re-enter the top 10 and stay for a while. Many albums do this although I doubt it will happen.

That's The Way is not a strong enough 2nd single for that to happen though.

I agree that Bring The Light would of been a fantastic choice.

del

Dont claim it to have poor sales yet, the second single hasnt even been released yet. If that catches on, it could re-enter the top 10 and stay for a while. Many albums do this although I doubt it will happen.

Yeah, I agree. It's a possibility that if the second single is a success, the album will get a reboost in the sales department.

I think the second single needs to be rushed to radio, by the time the second single is released in September the album in all likliness will have dropped off the top 200.

i feel like bring the light as a single would give them a boost more than that's the way will

Quoted for truth.

#13 isnt bad considering previous drops. Didnt machina sink like mad? Or was it MSOTS? Or both?

Second week at #1 in new zealand:

http://www.rianz.org.nz/rianz/chart.asp

Woot!

Well, it's probably going to hold more #1's in other countries. The US isn't exactly the be-all and end-all.

Anyway, #13 is pretty good... I agree that a radio single should be released now to sustain sales.

Too bad the t shirts are so ugly!

Yes, this is clearly the reason the album hasn't sold a million copies yet.

to the OP: Could you gather the latest results and update them in the first post so we don't have to dig through the thread and all of the unnecessary bullshit ("too bad the t-shirts are ugly, LOLOL")

Zeitgest debuted at #1 on United World Charts, being the most sold album in the world last week.
http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums.htm

wow 37000 sales in the second week that blows

#7 in Portugal :blush:

http://www.artistas-espectaculos.com/topafp.php

went from 8 to 12 in austria in it's second week

Back to 13 (from 5) in Switzerland

Have they posted the total world album sales yet?

Honestly, I'm not surprised at the drop off. Look at what's in the top ten for Christ's sake!

Interpol had the same thing happen to them so I'm not really fazed by this....don't think the band is either (or at least they shouldn't be). Nickelback is making news for their sales increasing, that should tell you something about what sells these days.

Have they posted the total world album sales yet?

look up 5 posts.

Yeah, I knew that... I was referring to an updated list for this week.

linkin park sold more than the pumpkins record did in its second week
its laughable really

down to #7 this week in worldwide sales with 120,000

had 244,000 last week for a total of 364,000 world wide sales in 2 weeks.

as for US...billboard has them at #12 down from #2 (much better than the zwan and machina did chart wise in week 2 i believe) sales of 37,000 down from 145,000 for a total of 182,000 in US sales.

not terrible.

i'd say it may go platinum world wide after 12 months, it may go gold in the us after 12 months. maybe.

it's not a disaster by any means given how bad rock acts (and I mean true rock acts, not Maroon 5 or Fall Out Boy crap) are doing on the mainstream charts.

Sickening really. It makes me want to puke. maroon 5, Fall out boy? What the fuck!

zeitgeist still #1 in new zealand

I love New Zealand ;)

Netherlands: 22 (7)
Finland: 16 (14)
France: 15 (5)

New Zealand rocks. Seriously. Lord of the Rings geeks and Pumpkins fans. I need to move there.

I love lord of the rings <3

Elijah Wood loves the Pumpkins.

Woah, it's like a circle.

nevermind.

Yeah, you're right. I think he even wore an SP shirt in some movie he was in as a kid.

Elijah Wood rocks. And if you say otherwise, he'll eat your hand and make you watch.

http://www.starboy.de/ElijahWood/ac/ewo762.jpg

Flipper =)

I seriously love Elijah Wood.

Haha, cool... but I thought he wore a shirt with the SP heart in that movie too. Hmm... weird.

he may have. I know I've seen a picture of it, but I ain't goin' to look for it.

Where's dogfighter? He always has a picture at the ready...

i believe i counted and E. wore a total of 4 SP shirts in that movie..?

sweet. I haven't seen it in forever.

Haha, Imma go rent it now so I can count the SP shirts and screen cap 'em for this thread!!

(*cough*)

Very off track by now, but Elijah is a huge Pumpkins fan. He posted a few times on here back before the solo album came out.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is my favorite movie of all time, while Lord of the Rings is probably my second. Weird...

ELIJAH WOOD POSTED HERE OMGZ!!! WHAT'D HE SAYYYYY!

(I wish I was kidding 100%, but I'm actually kinda serious)

Zeitgeist has been dragged down by the stone...stone...stone...stone...stone

A cookie to whoever gets that reference

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1400/rockonpg5.jpg

he may have. I know I've seen a picture of it, but I ain't goin' to look for it.

Where's dogfighter? He always has a picture at the ready...

Google image search has failed me :(

no, you have failed yourself.

Very off track by now, but Elijah is a huge Pumpkins fan. He posted a few times on here back before the solo album came out.

*CoughNotWurthAskingCough*

Zeitgeist is at number 11 in the album charts in Australia this week after debuting at 7 last week.

down to #7 this week in worldwide sales with 120,000

had 244,000 last week for a total of 364,000 world wide sales in 2 weeks.

as for US...billboard has them at #12 down from #2 (much better than the zwan and machina did chart wise in week 2 i believe) sales of 37,000 down from 145,000 for a total of 182,000 in US sales.

not terrible.

i'd say it may go platinum world wide after 12 months, it may go gold in the us after 12 months. maybe.


number 22 in the US in week 3. any idea how many units it sold?

world numbers should be up later

146,000
37,000
26,000

= 209,000 copies sold.

#7 to #23 in Portugal on 2nd week

The venues will get smaller and smaller until he's playing state fairs and rib cook-offs.

That would be fucking awesome, though. Imagine that you're plowing into a fresh plate of hot, spicy, award-winning ribs and Billy's riffing into Silverfuck behind you? Absolutely sick!!!!

...well, at least that's MY fantasy.

209,000 copies sold.

not world-wide, though, right?? Isn't that just US sales?

is anyone else besides me surprised that Zeitgeist is still in the top 25 albums in its 3rd week?

i like the album, it is better than Zwan for sure. but i guess corgan showed that he can still scam people.

but i guess corgan showed that he can still scam people.

wtf?