post of the year right there

You're an idiot.

You're an idiot.

Awwwwwwwww

August 22nd, 2007

#55: Smashing Pumpkins, Zeitgeist
This Week: 12,487
To Date: 261,427

all in all not horrible at all

half way to gold

in comparison

#77: Velvet Revolver, Libertad
This Week: 8,738
To Date: 201,578

#98: Fuel, Angels & Devils
This Week: 7,281
To Date: 22,504

half way to gold


Its not going to make it there.

Also, comparing it to shitty bands like VR is lame.

Its not going to make it there.

Also, comparing it to shitty bands like VR is lame.


I'm comparing it to other platinum "alternative' bands.

It will eventually make gold sometime next year

It will eventually make gold sometime next year

No, it won't.

Yeah, baby! SP's beating out Velvet Revolver!!!

Its not going to make it there.

Also, comparing it to shitty bands like VR is lame.

what is a good band with an album in the same time frame that you would compare it to?

Arcade Fire

Really though, my main point is that comparing it to other artist is just lame. Forget about it.

how's interpol doing

No, it won't.

you like being wrong don't you?

I think if another single gets as popular as Tarantula it could have a chance at going Gold.

Bring The Light will bring in more fans imo.

Going gold will suck too. The mighty SP need to sell 1 million or more IMO. No excuses. They need to sell like great bands are suppose to. Cutting no slack here, just high expectations of my favorite band. If they don't, then Billy needs to start making more music that will appeal to the masses. He can do it. After all isn't he the music genius of our era?

Going gold will suck too. The mighty SP need to sell 1 million or more IMO. No excuses. They need to sell like great bands are suppose to. Cutting no slack here, just high expectations of my favorite band. If they don't, then Billy needs to start making more music that will appeal to the masses. He can do it. After all isn't he the music genius of our era?

who cares if it appeals to the masses. in general, the masses have a shitty taste in music, so if it appeals to them, it will probably suck.

good records dont always make the charts

lol, Bring the Light isn't going to bring in any new fans. None of the songs on Zeitgeist will.

lol, Bring the Light isn't going to bring in any new fans. None of the songs on Zeitgeist will.
apparently you weren't around in july.

who cares if it appeals to the masses. in general, the masses have a shitty taste in music, so if it appeals to them, it will probably suck.
why did you even respond to that?

If they make better albums, they can sell decently. I think no one cares that SP came out with a new album. It might as well be a reunion tour. Make a quick buck by going around and playing the old songs that people love and throw in the new ones that people tolerate.

It may have made a decent initial splash due to old fans, but it's dropped off most charts by now, just as an album as wretched as Zeitgeist should.

I'm actually surprised at how many Zeit songs I'm hoping to hear when I see them live... I made my ideal set list (totally irrational, mind you) for fun, and a lot of Zeit songs made it on...

But that's just me. Zeitgeist could have been a lot better, but I don't think the album would do tremendously well no matter how great it was. Not saying it wouldn't do BETTER, because the word of mouth from fans who really dig it (rather than fans saying, "It sucks, don't waste your money") would certainly boost sales at least a little.

you need to take a step off netphoria and think for yourself. you're way too influenced by this board's cynicism.

apparently you weren't around in july.

why, what happened in july?

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!?

But I love Zeitgeist :(

And WOAH WOAH WOAH! Lemme just say that I think this album is selling wonderfully. really, I do. By today's standards, I wouldn't call it a failure. Trust me. I'm just sayinggggggggg that if it was BETTER (which it could have been, you and I both know it!), maybe word of mouth would have helped the sales.

Gotta tell everyone it sucks so Billy realizes he needs to write better songs.

final #'s for week 6. every week from here on out will be harder to get good numbers. seeing as it will be out of the top 50, i'll have to guess what it'll sell next week using a combination of expected %drop and % of world album sales.

US SALES

week 1 #2 146,091
week 2 #12 37,158 (-74.6%)
week 3 #22 26,396 (-28.9%)
week 4 #29 20,831 (-21.1%)
week 5 #40 15,376 (-26.2%)
week 6 #50 13,112 (-14.7%)
___________________
TOTAL 258,964

WORLD SALES
week 1 (1) 244,000
week 2 (7) 120,000 (-50%)
week 3 (16) 87,000 (-27.5%)
week 4 (23) 69,000 (-20.7%)
week 5 (24) 57,000 (-17.4%)
week 6 (27) 49,000 (-14%)
______
Total 622,000

US SALES vs WORLD SALES
% of world sales being US
week 1 60.9%
week 2 30.9%
week 3 30.3%
week 4 30.2%
week 5 27%
week 6 26.8
_______
from totals
41.6%
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if projections hold out, week 7 would have US sales of about 10,500 and world sales of about 40,000. would be good for chart positions of #56 and #34 for the US and world, respectively. course that's IF the sales drops hold steady.

One day you're gonna be a rich man gossamer1234

final #'s for week 6. every week from here on out will be harder to get good numbers. seeing as it will be out of the top 50, i'll have to guess what it'll sell next week using a combination of expected %drop and % of world album sales.

US SALES

week 1 #2 146,091
week 2 #12 37,158 (-74.6%)
week 3 #22 26,396 (-28.9%)
week 4 #29 20,831 (-21.1%)
week 5 #40 15,376 (-26.2%)
week 6 #50 13,112 (-14.7%)
___________________
TOTAL 258,964

WORLD SALES
week 1 (1) 244,000
week 2 (7) 120,000 (-50%)
week 3 (16) 87,000 (-27.5%)
week 4 (23) 69,000 (-20.7%)
week 5 (24) 57,000 (-17.4%)
week 6 (27) 49,000 (-14%)
______
Total 622,000

US SALES vs WORLD SALES
% of world sales being US
week 1 60.9%
week 2 30.9%
week 3 30.3%
week 4 30.2%
week 5 27%
week 6 26.8
_______
from totals
41.6%
///////////////////

if projections hold out, week 7 would have US sales of about 10,500 and world sales of about 40,000. would be good for chart positions of #56 and #34 for the US and world, respectively. course that's IF the sales drops hold steady.
I'm not questioning the validity when I ask this, but where did you get your information?

soundscan kids, soundscan

lol, isnt this boards entire spiel that ZITGHOST IS BETTER THAN ALL OTHER MODERN MUSIC AND DONT COUNT INDIE CAUSE INDIE SUCKS PITCHFORK SUCKS

Sorry to ask this, but I went to the Soundscan site and didn't find a search engine or list or anything with the information. Do you have a link to that kind of info?

Sorry to ask this, but I went to the Soundscan site and didn't find a search engine or list or anything with the information. Do you have a link to that kind of info?
BUMP

estimated #'s for week . i'm having to guess what the sales were for week 7 in the US. they were at 66 this week. no numbers for units sold, the #62 album sold 10,500 and #82 sold 8500. so i'm going right about 10,000 for the week. that kind of fits in with the global sales w/ % sold and % drop

US SALES

week 1 #2 146,091
week 2 #12 37,158 (-74.6%)
week 3 #22 26,396 (-28.9%)
week 4 #29 20,831 (-21.1%)
week 5 #40 15,376 (-26.2%)
week 6 #50 13,112 (-14.7%)
week 7 #66 10,000 (-23.7%)
___________________
TOTAL 268,964

WORLD SALES
week 1 (1) 244,000
week 2 (7) 120,000 (-50%)
week 3 (16) 87,000 (-27.5%)
week 4 (23) 69,000 (-20.7%)
week 5 (24) 57,000 (-17.4%)
week 6 (27) 49,000 (-14%)
week 7 (34) 39,000 (-20.4%)
______
Total 661,000

US SALES vs WORLD SALES
% of world sales being US
week 1 60.9%
week 2 30.9%
week 3 30.3%
week 4 30.2%
week 5 27%
week 6 26.8%
week 7 25.6%
_______
from totals
40.7%
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next week it'll likely fall out of top 40 world chart making it real hard to figure out what the sales worldwide would be. us sales will be hard to figure out too.

perhaps now would be a good time to find something else to do?

perhaps now would be a good time to find something else to do?

like worry about what industrial legends think about the smashing pumpkins?

beg for nude pics of ginger?

ponder the contributions of james and d'arcy on sd and other albums?

bitch about that's the way being the single?

no no no, gossamer! Thank you for keeping us posted :) I really appreciate it

Does anyone know if the following wikipedia quote is more or less correct ?? "...Entering the U.S. charts at #3, the album quickly slid down the charts, barely going gold. As of May 2005, U.S. sales stood at 582,000 units" if that is true then the "Zeitgeist" numbers are a huge leap in the right direction, especially considering the difference in the total number of cd's sold if you compare 2000 to 2007.
EDIT : Nevermind, just noticed that the Wiki numbers were US alone and not world sales, guess the numers aren't that good afterall :-(

WEEKLY UPDATE

Official United States Soundscan Numbers for 8/30/2007

#66: Smashing Pumpkins, Zeitgeist
This Week: 10,262
To Date: 271,689

I think the numbers are still decent. Zeitgeist is about halfway to where Machina is after 5 years. It's only been a month and a half.

Granted, after a while there will be like 200 sold every week, haha, but still. I'm not saying the numbers are AMAZING, but all things considered I think Zeitgeist is doing just fine.

Id imagine an ever so slight bump next week due to the new vid/radio single.

I'm guessing 13k next week

so 271,000+ is including world sales i assume.

excluding.

Id imagine an ever so slight bump next week due to the new vid/radio single.

I'm guessing 13k next week

yeah, the song and video are both good, so hopefully the numbers will be kicked up a little.

I would die to see the TTW video on Vh1 some morning...

As much as everyone's like, "Videos mean nothing!" I still love watching music vids on the rare occassion they're played. It'd be nice to see the video in better quality... and bigger.

66 SMASHING PUMPKINS ZEITGEIST 10,262 -18 271,689

Most current numbers. US Only. Official from SoundScan.

66 SMASHING PUMPKINS ZEITGEIST 10,262 -18 271,689

Most current numbers. US Only. Official from SoundScan.


thanks echo posted already

so 271,000+ is including world sales i assume.


the soundscan numbers I've been posting are US only

66 SMASHING PUMPKINS ZEITGEIST 10,262 -18 271,689

Most current numbers. US Only. Official from SoundScan.
man, was off my 262 :)

so 271,000+ is including world sales i assume.
world numbers is roughly 661,000

SOUNDSCAN UPDATE AS OF THIS MORNING SEPTEMBER 5th 2007

#84: Smashing Pumpkins, Zeitgeist
This Week: 8,144
To Date: 279,833

(Note this is only US numbers)

ouch.

SOUNDSCAN UPDATE AS OF THIS MORNING SEPTEMBER 5th 2007

#84: Smashing Pumpkins, Zeitgeist
This Week: 8,144
To Date: 279,833

(Note this is only US numbers)


Wow, looks like Machina is going to pwn Zeitgeist. Z is going to fall completely off the charts in about 2 weeks. TTW actually HURT sales. I would be shocked if Reprise even releases another single.

Yeah it looks like Bring the Light would of been a better single as its in the top ten of rotation on Krock NY.

Yeah it looks like Bring the Light would of been a better single as its in the top ten of rotation on Krock NY.

Nothing on this album would have done it any good. Nothing!!! Stop fooling yourself that this album has any legs.

Nothing on this album would have done it any good. Nothing!!! Stop fooling yourself that this album has any legs.

:rolleyes:

Roll your stupid little eyes all you want, the billster blew it, and the next album should sell even less.

he did not! and my eyes arent stupid you boob man you

They should just release 'Here is no Why' as a single and just say it's on Zeitgeist. That'll probably boost sales a bit.

Nothing on this album would have done it any good. Nothing!!! Stop fooling yourself that this album has any legs.

yeah because your an expert on cd sales. go choke your chicken or something, your annoying the shit out of people.

man your the first person ive seen that uses choke your chicken as an expression. Kudos ;)

DOWN WITH THE ZEITGEIST

I'm not going to say I was right

You guys are all idiots.

They should just release 'Here is no Why' as a single and just say it's on Zeitgeist. That'll probably boost sales a bit.

yeah, or like "I'm Ready" That would be cool :rofl:

Wa ere can I see the data for the rest of the SP albums?

US SALES

week 1 #2 146,091
week 2 #12 37,158 (-74.6%)
week 3 #22 26,396 (-28.9%)
week 4 #29 20,831 (-21.1%)
week 5 #40 15,376 (-26.2%)
week 6 #50 13,112 (-14.7%)
week 7 #66 10,262 (-21.7%)
week 8 #84 8,144 (-20.6%)
___________________
TOTAL 277,370*

WORLD SALES
week 1 #1 244,000
week 2 #7 120,000 (-50%)
week 3 #16 87,000 (-27.5%)
week 4 #23 69,000 (-20.7%)
week 5 #24 57,000 (-17.4%)
week 6 #27 49,000 (-14%)
week 7 #34 39,000 (-20.4%)
week 8 #?? 28,000** (-28%)**
______
Total 689,000

US SALES vs WORLD SALES
% of world sales being US
week 1 60.9%
week 2 30.9%
week 3 30.3%
week 4 30.2%
week 5 27%
week 6 26.8%
week 7 25.6%
week 8 29.1%**
_______
from totals
40.3%

*somebody posted the figure "279,833". if that's the case, some of the weekly figures have been adjusted after i got them.


** i don't have actual figures of world album sales for the week. likely won't get anymore. i came up with a "28,000" by shooting low. the album sold less than 30,000 worldwide for sure (#40 sold approx 30,000). i went for a high percentage drop in world sales and increased the US % of sales moreso than the recent trends to get a nice round number that's below 30,000. the album probably sold closer to 29,000.
///

i'm pretty much finished with these because there'd be too much guessing involved. album sales were easy to predict for weeks 4 thru 7 because of the trends and the fact that the album wasn't about to fall off the charts. now the album seems like it's gonna fall out of the top 100 in the states. if i see that somebody posts US #'s for week 9 i may come up with a guess for world sales. but anybody can do that.

When they start touring again in the U.S., the festival shows specifically may stabilize the weekly sales to around 8 to 12 thousand a week. That's a best case scenario of course.

Thanks for posting the stats everyone, I haven't kept up with this thread at all until now.

The fall US tour will definitely help sales -- most of the US has not even had a chance to see them live yet, so inevitably they will be getting more attention in each market when they come to town (i.e. Philly and Boston for 3 nights each, and other big markets).

They should just release 'Here is no Why' as a single and just say it's on Zeitgeist. That'll probably boost sales a bit.

LOOOOL.


Or Muzzle... EHEHHEH

did the zero EP or LP (whatever it ended up being) sell more than this?
i really think it did.

did the zero LP sell more than this?
i really think it did.

LOL

When they start touring again in the U.S., the festival shows specifically may stabilize the weekly sales to around 8 to 12 thousand a week. That's a best case scenario of course.

sam's town was boosted to something like #9 or #11 in the UK album charts (from #40ish) on the back of the killer's playing a couple of prominent festivals (glasto and T in the park, i think). both festivals received national tv coverage; i don't know how much coverage US festivals get. it can't hurt anyhow.

My numbers come from the Soundscan artist newsletter

it is sent every Wed morning and is supposedly current as of the previous monday close of buisness

So where are the numbers for the other sp albums?>

probably on wikipedia.

So where are the numbers for the other sp albums?>

from wiki...

GISH - peaked at #195. as of may 2005, us sales are 1.1 million
rhinoceros - peaked at 27 on modern rock tracks

SIAMESE DREAM - debured at #10 and has sold over 4 million
cherub rock - peaked at 7 modern rock tracks, 23 mainstream tracks
today - 4 modern rock, 28 mainstream
disarm 8 modern rock, 5 mainstream
rocket - 28 mainstream


PISCES ISCARIOT - debuted at #4. has sold 1.3 million
landslide - 3 on modern rock

MELLON COLLIE - debuted at #1. stayed there for several weeks. has sold 9.8 million (4.9 X's 2)
bwbw - 2 modern rock, 4 mainstream, 22 hot 100
1979 - 1 mainstream, 1 modern rock, 10 top 40 mainstream, 12 hot 100, 17 hot dance/club play, 30 adult top 40, 47 hot dance music/maxi singles sales
zero - 9 modern rock, 15 mainstream rock
tonight, tonight - 4 mainstream rock, 5 modern rock, 36 billboard hot 100
muzzle - 8 modern rock, 10 mainstream rock
thirty-three - 2 modern rock, 18 mainstream rock, 39 billboard hot 100

AEROPLANE FLIES HIGH debuted at #42, has sold 300,000 (it's 5 discs, but not sure how they count this one, probably as a double album??)

ADORE debuted at #2, as of may 2005 has sold 1.1 million
ava adore - 3 modern rock, 8 mainstream rock, 42 hot 100
perfect - 3 modern rock, 33 mainstream rock, 54 hot 100, 31 adult top 40

MACINA - debuted at #3. as of may 2005 has sold 582,000
everlasting gaze - 4 modern rock, 14 mainstream
siyl - 2 modern rock, 11 mainstream

ROTTEN APPLES debuted at #31, as of may 2005, sold 729,000


those are all US only, world sales would be more than double (probably triple that). totals for those (not including the Zero Single and Zeigest) is 18.911 million. maybe be another 0.3 million for Aeroplane if they infact DO double it. zeitgeist has sold .279 million to date. so that's not QUITE 20 million albums sold in the US combined.

sam's town was boosted to something like #9 or #11 in the UK album charts (from #40ish) on the back of the killer's playing a couple of prominent festivals (glasto and T in the park, i think). both festivals received national tv coverage; i don't know how much coverage US festivals get. it can't hurt anyhow.
nowhere near as much as in europe. actually, pretty much none of the package highlights like bbc does for glastonbury and reading/leeds. If anything, its one band's set on a PPV channel.

it's really pathetic that Zeitgeist is off the Billboard top 40 chart. most shit stays on there for months.

the true sign of an album being aflop is the record sales after the first week cus then other people who bought it in the first week tell their friends how much it sucked so they don't go buy it.

they should have released another rocking single in july

it's really pathetic that Zeitgeist is off the Billboard top 40 chart. most shit stays on there for months.


totally, I mean look at some of the SHIT that is there.

it's really pathetic that Zeitgeist is off the Billboard top 40 chart. most shit stays on there for months.
look at the "rock" acts still in the top 40 after at least 8 weeks...

#10 nickelback (100 weeks)
#11 linkin park (16 weeks)
#19 maroon 5 (15 weeks)
#28 plain white t's (27 weeks)
#30 daughtry (41 weeks)
#34 bon jovi (11 weeks)

daughtry is an american idol act, so does that really count?

rock acts aren't big sellers, it's just interesting to keep track. billboard is filled with pop music (different from 60's beatles pop. pop music meaning generic stuff written by mostly anonymous people), hip hop (recycled music from original hits from 20 years ago), and country.

daughtry is an american idol act, so does that really count?


Yes. Even winning the show doesn't guarantee record sales and he came in 4th. Obviously he owes his start to AI but to be the best selling album of the year he had to have recorded something that really connected with radio stations and people who still buy CD's.

he had to have recorded something that really connected with radio stations.

fixed

daughtry is as commercial as it gets

fixed

daughtry is as commercial as it gets
thank you.

i've worked in radio before. a semester at a "noncommercial" station that really was commercial.

we get a cd of songs from record companies and the program director/music director or whatever picks the songs that get put in rotation. how they decide, i dunno, that's up to people to speculate and make conspiracy theories. i got out of radio and got into a cleaner, more reputable business--tv news (lol).

i was at a soft rock station. a song couldn't have more than a certain number of beats per minute...couldn't exceed 4 minutes, and we had to play (in texas pre-george bush comments) a dixie chicks song every 2 hours. shania twain had to be played at least once a shift. other than that, i had free reign over their fine selection of songs from bon jovi to michael bolton to the police. i know it's because that was a soft rock station, but would it be any different at a clear channel "alternative" station? especially since that station probably doesn't compete with any other station in that market?

see for example, dallas texas rock stations:

KZPS, country, Classic Rock (clear channel)
KDBN, classic rock (cumulus)
KDGE, new rock, alternative (clear channel)
KVIL, light rock (cbs)

46 stations in the market, 4 might play a rock song. 2 of those stations are classic rock. that leaves 2 possibilities for people that like newer stuff: and alternative station (owned by clear channel) and a light rock station (owned by cbs).

all 4 are owned by major media. only 2 compete with each other (kzps and kdbn). the classic rock stations.

Yes. Even winning the show doesn't guarantee record sales and he came in 4th. Obviously he owes his start to AI but to be the best selling album of the year he had to have recorded something that really connected with radio stations and people who still buy CD's. :rofl:

i was at a soft rock station. a song couldn't have more than a certain number of beats per minute...couldn't exceed 4 minutes, and we had to play (in texas pre-george bush comments) a dixie chicks song every 2 hours. shania twain had to be played at least once a shift. other than that, i had free reign over their fine selection of songs from bon jovi to michael bolton to the police. i know it's because that was a soft rock station, but would it be any different at a clear channel "alternative" station? especially since that station probably doesn't compete with any other station in that market?

The mandatory artist list is hilarious. Any other prerequisites?

Also, seeing as I'm fairly clueless and while I've got a semi-experienced person on hand, how do they store their songs? Do you play them from a Winamp style program on the computer? I've been wondering this for a long time now.

The mandatory artist list is hilarious. Any other prerequisites?

Also, seeing as I'm fairly clueless and while I've got a semi-experienced person on hand, how do they store their songs? Do you play them from a Winamp style program on the computer? I've been wondering this for a long time now.
i think most radio stations have server now. i don't remember the programs, but they are ripped onto the computer and they have these databases and stuff. you can sort by song title, song length, song intro length, etc...

hell, it's all done for you now. even station ID's are done for you. you can have a whole day planned out which is what i'd do when i first get in. when i'd do weather i had to be exact or i'd have to swap a 3:26 song for a 3:15 song or something. our program didn't have a back timer (good old fashioned pen and paper for that).

also, they frowned upon having 2 songs in a row w/ a female singer.

i only did it for a semester back in 2002.

also, they frowned upon having 2 songs in a row w/ a female singer.

Wow.

:(

Wow.

:(
sometimes you can't avoid it. sometimes you just gotta play celine dion after faith hill

lolz

the last two years have been an lolfest

I'm being mentored to become a DJ at my college radio station for the next month and they said we can play anything we want when ever we want. And that's true. The DJs really do. We get promos from major record labels all the time, but we aren't obligated to play anything. Christ, I played Jellybelly the other day!

ahh the beauty of college radio

US ALBUM SALES PER SOUNDSCAN AS OF SEPTEMBER 12th 2007

#91: Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week: 6,732
To Date: 286,565

heyyy still top 100! :)

:rofl:

missing the humor, sorry

Chris was always my favorite on American Idol.

hey, what'd Zwan and TFE sell? Wiki, ho!

No Zwan I could find, but "As of February 2006, <B>(THE FUTURE EMBRACE'S)</B> domestic sales were a mere 69,000 units sold".

US ALBUM SALES PER SOUNDSCAN AS OF SEPTEMBER 12th 2007

#91: Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week: 6,732
To Date: 286,565
then that probably puts world sales at about 20,000 and 709,000 to date.

US ALBUM SALES PER SOUNDSCAN AS OF SEPTEMBER 19th 2007

#94: Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week: 6,294
To Date: 292,859

Why do you guys still bother? Stop posting the numbers already. How about you keep a tally yourself, and when it hits a milestone, you let everyone know.

Why do you guys still bother? Stop posting the numbers already. How about you keep a tally yourself, and when it hits a milestone, you let everyone know.
It's a useful thread.

i wonder how badly mellon collie would do if it were released today

i wonder how badly mellon collie would do if it were released todayIt'd do alright, I think. Providing it hadn't been there before neither.

US ALBUM SALES PER SOUNDSCAN AS OF SEPTEMBER 19th 2007

#94: Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week: 6,294
To Date: 292,859
ouchh

^ but still in 100

Why do you guys still bother? Stop posting the numbers already. How about you keep a tally yourself, and when it hits a milestone, you let everyone know.

Because others like myself are interested in checking on on where the numbers are at. Why are you such a huge douche around here?

US SALES

week 1 #2 146,091
week 2 #12 37,158 (-74.6%)
week 3 #22 26,396 (-28.9%)
week 4 #29 20,831 (-21.1%)
week 5 #40 15,376 (-26.2%)
week 6 #50 13,112 (-14.7%)
week 7 #66 10,262 (-21.7%)
week 8 #84 8,144 (-20.6%)
week 9 #91 6,732 (-17.3%)
week10#94 6.294 (-06.5%)
___________________
TOTAL 290,396 (292,859)*

WORLD SALES
week 1 #1 244,000
week 2 #7 120,000 (-50%)
week 3 #16 87,000 (-27.5%)
week 4 #23 69,000 (-20.7%)
week 5 #24 57,000 (-17.4%)
week 6 #27 49,000 (-14%)
week 7 #34 39,000 (-20.4%)
week 8 #?? 28,000** (-28%)**
week 9 #?? 20,000**(-17.3%)**
week10#?? 18,000**(-10.0%)**
______
Total 727,000

US SALES vs WORLD SALES
% of world sales being US
week 1 60.9%
week 2 30.9%
week 3 30.3%
week 4 30.2%
week 5 27%
week 6 26.8%
week 7 25.6%
week 8 29.1%**
week 9 33.7%**
week10 34.9%**
_______
from totals
39.9%

*some weekly figures got adjusted after i got them, not sure which, minor difference anyway.

** i don't have actual figures of world album sales for the week. likely won't get anymore. i'm guessing the world sales by "shooting low"

Do you think Billy / Jimmy would be happy with 727,000? I think in the world of illegal downloading they couldn't expect too much more.

I think it'll hit 1 mil by the time the tour is done, worldwide that is. I think they'll be happy with that. Maybe even more if they release a good single, unlike TTW(MLI).

They will kill it with their next record and sell even more, but to hover around 1 million in total sales nowadays isn't too bad. Especially when they always draw the crowds for their tours.

I doubt Billy will be 100% happy with a million sales. I think no matter he tries not to, he'll always compare sales to the heyday of SD and MCIS.

As a live band the comeback has been far more spectacular. Once I'd gotten over the no James thing and accepted the new band on it's own terms, I've been really digging following the live shows.

do you think the album would have been better AND sold a little better if the album *******d a 16 minute version of gossamer instead of United States, Stellar instead of pomp and circumstance and superchrist instead of for god and country?

doomsday clock
7 shades of black
bleeding the orchid
that's the way
tarantula
starz
gossamer
neverlost
bring the light
(come on) let's go
superchrist
stellar

???

do you think the album would have been better AND sold a little better if the album *******d a 16 minute version of gossamer instead of United States, Stellar instead of pomp and circumstance and superchrist instead of for god and country?

doomsday clock
7 shades of black
bleeding the orchid
that's the way
tarantula
starz
gossamer
neverlost
bring the light
(come on) let's go
superchrist
stellar

???

US is ok.
for god and country is ok if it's done like live version, instead of silly RTB arrangement.
stellar should be in the album really.
pomp is terrible, but early version of only vocal and piano must be nice. the problem is that, acording to interview, BC/JC think the finished version of pomp is great.

Billy is bad at picking songs for an album, but there's far more than we know that goes into which songs make it onto an album. So I think we ultimately have to give them a pass for the certain songs that make it onto a given album. Plus, songs like Gossamer, SuperChrist (doubt that was even written pre-Zeit release), and Stellar or even DFA, are songs that hardcores like us know and love, but the common-fan wouldn't.

Billy has admitted he was thinking broad-appeal for Zeitgeist, but also said this would set them up for doing more than that on the next release.

Because others like myself are interested in checking on on where the numbers are at. Why are you such a huge douche around here?

The numbers are not going to go back up. Are we still going to want updates when it sells 600 copies a week, its stupid. Like I said, keep track, and then just post milestone achievements. Like if it cracks 300,000 in the us, or 800,000 worldwide. Not that this will happen at all for 4 more months.

Its over, the album failed, let it go.

Billy has admitted he was thinking broad-appeal for Zeitgeist, but also said this would set them up for doing more than that on the next release.

So he dumbed it down, so that he can scare the new fanbase away the next album when its not all generic rock anymore. Good move Corgan.

The numbers are not going to go back up. Are we still going to want updates when it sells 600 copies a week, its stupid. Like I said, keep track, and then just post milestone achievements. Like if it cracks 300,000 in the us, or 800,000 worldwide. Not that this will happen at all for 4 more months.

Its over, the album failed, let it go.

You really think its a failure? I don't at all. And who's to say if Bring the Light is the next single, that alternative radio doesn't play the shit out of it and Zeit sells more?

Last time I was at Best Buy, I could tell just by a glance that there were copies of Zeit gone from the shelves. If it sells 6 or goes up to 10k a week, that's pretty good!

Bring the light will not make album sales go up. Quit fucking dreaming, that song is not that good. If bill thought it was, he would have played it at shows much sooner.

Last time I was at bestbuy, all I saw was zeitgiest with dust on them. They still had many copies of the limited editions.

So he dumbed it down, so that he can scare the new fanbase away the next album when its not all generic rock anymore. Good move Corgan.

Duh, Siamese Dream > MCIS. Yeah, scared a lot of people away? No. The fanbase grew and MCIS was far from "broad-appeal" or "dumbed down". Did it have dumb songs on it? Yes, example= BWBW, but it was also the most diverse album.

I see the next album to be like MCIS in its diversity, yet have a huge hit single, ala BWBW.

Bring the light will not make album sales go up. Quit fucking dreaming, that song is not that good. If bill thought it was, he would have played it at shows much sooner.

Last time I was at bestbuy, all I saw was zeitgiest with dust on them. They still had many copies of the limited editions.

I was using BTL as an example because I heard it last night. IMO, they should release 7 Shades. Ever think they didn't play it earlier on the tour cuz its kinda hard to play? The first performance of the song was hard to watch because Billy was staring at his guitar while he sang. Its not that great, but its really good and should've been in the place of TTW(MLI).

Duh, Siamese Dream > MCIS. Yeah, scared a lot of people away? No. The fanbase grew and MCIS was far from "broad-appeal" or "dumbed down". Did it have dumb songs on it? Yes, example= BWBW, but it was also the most diverse album.

I see the next album to be like MCIS in its diversity, yet have a huge hit single, ala BWBW.


Don't ever compare zeitgiest to SD ever again you brainless piece of shit.

I was using BTL as an example because I heard it last night. IMO, they should release 7 Shades. Ever think they didn't play it earlier on the tour cuz its kinda hard to play? The first performance of the song was hard to watch because Billy was staring at his guitar while he sang. Its not that great, but its really good and should've been in the place of TTW(MLI).

I made a comment about the song you mentioned since a lot of people here think that song will save the album. It won't, and neither will 7 shades. Nothing will, its over. Move on.

Last time I was at Best Buy, I could tell just by a glance that there were copies of Zeit gone from the shelves.

lololololololololololololololololololoololl

Don't ever compare zeitgiest to SD ever again you brainless piece of shit.

You're the idiot who's taking this comparison so literally. I agree if anyone compares Zeit and SD in musical terms, they're a complete waste of life and should be shot, but that's not what I was doing. Man, you seem really cranky or something... maybe you need to get laid?

Or put on SD and fuck yourself... that works.

lololololololololololololololololololoololl

Yeah, fatass that means that people are buying them. Get it? Or if you weren't making fun of me, then lololololololololololololololol right with you.

But you probably were, so go lick Esty's ass.

300,000 is decent. How is this number a failure again, specifically given the fact that alternative rock (save Linkin Shit Park) is not selling all that well.

I just noticed how many posts you fucks have. Man, I waste more time than I should posting here at work, but I have nowhere near you guys in posts. You must have NO life whatsoever. Thats sad. Shutdown the computer and go outside. Theres a world out there, if you had forgotten. Talk to people face to face. Its called living. Get a fuckin' clue.

stop giving them attention...they get enough of it *slurp* at the general board.

stop giving them attention...they get enough of it *slurp* at the general board.

Interesting.... thanks, I'll lay off. I just kinda got heated for a sec.

in your honor released june 05 sold 310k 1st week and was at 1.26m as of oct 06 (US).

stadium arcadium released may 06 sold 440k 1st week and was at 2.1m by aug 07 (US).

TTW(MLI) may be an acronym too far.

i don't believe any new single will produce that big of a jump in zeitgeist's numbers, but may be proved wrong.

i mentioned itt that sam's town got a big kick in the UK on the back of the killers' festival appearances, but this doesn't seem to have happened with the pumpkins. maybe they just aren't that relevant with the cd-buying public anymore :(

In your Honor is a double CD so divide that number by 2 and that's actually how many "albums" were sold.

same with Stadium Arcadium.....

good spot, i forgot that :blush:

I just noticed how many posts you fucks have. Man, I waste more time than I should posting here at work, but I have nowhere near you guys in posts. You must have NO life whatsoever. Thats sad. Shutdown the computer and go outside. Theres a world out there, if you had forgotten. Talk to people face to face. Its called living. Get a fuckin' clue.


This is probably the most tiresome passage of text i have ever come across. Just because you dont post so much doesnt mean you have more of a life. You might be alphabetically re-aligning your collection of ancient pre-ww2 biscuit tins whilst im posting this. Shut up.

Talking to people face to face is called living, since when were you the expert.

i love being trolled. :)

The numbers are not going to go back up. Are we still going to want updates when it sells 600 copies a week, its stupid. Like I said, keep track, and then just post milestone achievements. Like if it cracks 300,000 in the us, or 800,000 worldwide. Not that this will happen at all for 4 more months.

Its over, the album failed, let it go.

It's just interesting to keep track of. One of the few interesting things to check in on at this place. I really don't see why you care at all, and since you do so much why you constantly keep coming into this thread.

To keep telling assholes like you to stop fucking talking about it, thats why. Go make another tiresome "song" appreciation thread, but as far as sales go, its done. Nothing interesting about it anymore.

To keep telling assholes like you to stop fucking talking about it, thats why. Go make another tiresome "song" appreciation thread, but as far as sales go, its done. Nothing interesting about it anymore.

Ahaha, your addicted to this place.

In your Honor is a double CD so divide that number by 2 and that's actually how many "albums" were sold.

same with Stadium Arcadium.....
i didnt know double albums sold this way

In your Honor is a double CD so divide that number by 2 and that's actually how many "albums" were sold.

same with Stadium Arcadium.....
what the hell are you talking about?

no, spfission is right.

does rock music even sell anymore?

no, it goesn't.

what the hell are you talking about?

they count each disk, so each 2CD = 2 units sold.

they count each disk, so each 2CD = 2 units sold.

it's not based on the number of discs, it's based on the length. i think 2 hours = double album

it's not based on the number of discs, it's based on the length. i think 2 hours = double album


It's 100 minutes, the RIAA and billboard have different rules I can't find billboards.

does rock music even sell anymore?

let's see.

zeitgeist was out 10 weeks.

other "rock" albums that have been out at least 10 weeks that are still on top 100...

7 nickelback - all the right reasons, 102 weeks
11 linkin park - minutes to midnight, 18 weeks
15 marron 5 - it won't be soon before long, 17 weeks
21 daughtry - daughtry, 43 weeks
35 paramore - RIOT!, 14 weeks
36 bon jovi - lost highway, 13 weeks
38 plain white t's - every second counts, 29 weeks
59 the white stripes - icky thump, 13 weeks
62 flyleaf - flyleaf, 78 weeks
63 fall out boy - infinity on high, 32 weeks
70 three days grace - one-x, 66 weeks
73 finger eleven - them vs you vs me, 28 weeks
83 lifehouse - who we are, 13 weeks
90 hinder - extreme behavior, 85 weeks
94 smashing pumpkins - zeitgeist, 10 weeks
100 my chemical romance - the black parade, 47 weeks

there you have it. pumpkins have been on there the shortest amount of time and sold the second least for last week. other than maybe 3 others, they debuted the highest. other artists on the list have dropped out of the top 100 but got back in thanks to singles. others are also crossover artists into contemporary christian, adult contemporary, etc... rock music still sells, if it's marketed right and pretty much if it's newer type bands or...just radio rock.

It's 100 minutes, the RIAA and billboard have different rules I can't find billboards.
that's probably right. my mistake. because an LP isn't 60 minutes, it's like 35 or 40 minutes.

It's 100 minutes, the RIAA and billboard have different rules I can't find billboards.

in your honor is 83:17 whereas stadium arcadium is 122:34.

so spfission is correct in that sales of the latter is doubled for counting units sold (as per mcis).

but in your honor is classified as a regular album, right?

let's see.
other artists on the list have dropped out of the top 100 but got back in thanks to singles.

speaking of, i still haven't heard That's The Way on the radio.

speaking of, i still haven't heard That's The Way on the radio.
me neither...though i never listen to the radio.

let's see.

zeitgeist was out 10 weeks.

other "rock" albums that have been out at least 10 weeks that are still on top 100...

7 nickelback - all the right reasons, 102 weeks
11 linkin park - minutes to midnight, 18 weeks
15 marron 5 - it won't be soon before long, 17 weeks
21 daughtry - daughtry, 43 weeks
35 paramore - RIOT!, 14 weeks
36 bon jovi - lost highway, 13 weeks
38 plain white t's - every second counts, 29 weeks
59 the white stripes - icky thump, 13 weeks
62 flyleaf - flyleaf, 78 weeks
63 fall out boy - infinity on high, 32 weeks
70 three days grace - one-x, 66 weeks
73 finger eleven - them vs you vs me, 28 weeks
83 lifehouse - who we are, 13 weeks
90 hinder - extreme behavior, 85 weeks
94 smashing pumpkins - zeitgeist, 10 weeks
100 my chemical romance - the black parade, 47 weeks

there you have it. pumpkins have been on there the shortest amount of time and sold the second least for last week. other than maybe 3 others, they debuted the highest. other artists on the list have dropped out of the top 100 but got back in thanks to singles. others are also crossover artists into contemporary christian, adult contemporary, etc... rock music still sells, if it's marketed right and pretty much if it's newer type bands or...just radio rock.

wow i dont even consider alotta these bands as rock bands

there you have it. pumpkins have been on there the shortest amount of time and sold the second least for last week. other than maybe 3 others, they debuted the highest. other artists on the list have dropped out of the top 100 but got back in thanks to singles. others are also crossover artists into contemporary christian, adult contemporary, etc... rock music still sells, if it's marketed right and pretty much if it's newer type bands or...just radio rock.


That's SAD. SP fans are just begging for a great album from BC and he teases us with mediocre b sides once again. We all get excited for 1 week then realize we have been fucked with AGAIN.

I guess the record label guy was right, Bill should have worked with "that green day guy"

BC has been meh since Jimmy OD'd

the week 1 sales are clearly the hardcore fan-base buying the album. the drop-off is indicative of the pumpkins' inability to bring in many new fans, allied to the record seeming to lack a hit single, irrespective of its' overall qualities.

No shit sherlock, think of that all by your wittle self.

i can't imagine how bad this album would have done if they would have had just one version and not had any crappy covers by the popular bands of today.

Don't forget all the different color editions to make the dumbfucks buy more than one copy.

hahah, i forgot about that. i think i still have that cd in my car from when my friend gave it to me as a joke. every one of those covers were fucking terrible.

No shit sherlock, think of that all by your wittle self.

i was pretty much referring to the post above mine, but thanks for the input.

question: can you see somebody buying zeitgeist that never bought a SP album before?
My answer: probably not.

WOW this album tanked.

I have to say its not a big suprise. I used to recomend people to buy SP albums or play them songs off of new albums and all that. I don't feel i can do that with this one. I would actually be embarassed to play it for my friends. My wife heard me listening to it a few weaks ago and she thought it was pretty weak.


I'll always give them a chance but Billy Corgan seems to have lost touch with reality and his fans. I hope he can turn it around for a future release and just go for it instead of doing all this safe Pussy rock political garbage. No one wants political rock from the Pumpkins. They want psychidelic wrist sliting painkiller overdose rock with some acoustic numbers thrown in for good measure.

sorry to rant like this.

i can't imagine how bad this album would have done if they would have had just one version and not had any crappy covers by the popular bands of today.

Dont forget all the people who bought it on iTunes just for the pre-sale.

I didn't think internet sales were considered in the RIAA certifications.
Which would explain why there's a separate chart for internet sales.

7 nickelback - all the right reasons, 102 weeks
11 linkin park - minutes to midnight, 18 weeks
15 marron 5 - it won't be soon before long, 17 weeks
21 daughtry - daughtry, 43 weeks
35 paramore - RIOT!, 14 weeks
36 bon jovi - lost highway, 13 weeks
38 plain white t's - every second counts, 29 weeks
59 the white stripes - icky thump, 13 weeks
62 flyleaf - flyleaf, 78 weeks
63 fall out boy - infinity on high, 32 weeks
70 three days grace - one-x, 66 weeks
73 finger eleven - them vs you vs me, 28 weeks
83 lifehouse - who we are, 13 weeks
90 hinder - extreme behavior, 85 weeks
94 smashing pumpkins - zeitgeist, 10 weeks
100 my chemical romance - the black parade, 47 weeks


the only legit band on there besides the pumpkins is the white stripes and theyre completely overrated.

honestly id rather have the pumpkins fail completely than see them show up next to names like nickel back, fall out boy, linkin park and daughtry. think about what the general fanbase is for most of these artists is. disgusting.

the only legit band on there besides the pumpkins is the white stripes and theyre completely overrated.

honestly id rather have the pumpkins fail completely than see them show up next to names like nickel back, fall out boy, linkin park and daughtry. think about what the general fanbase is for most of these artists is. disgusting.


What disgusting is Billy tried really hard and failed to capture that fanbase.

Dont forget all the people who bought it on iTunes just for the pre-sale.
you didnt HAVE to buy the album for presales so thats not inclu/ded

i don't think there was a significant amount of people that bought multiple copies, stop kidding yourself....perhaps a modest 5,000-10,000 boost because of it... BIG DEAL.

they didnt release a new single on time .. and they chose the wrong single for the 2nd .

the biggest problem here is illegal downloading, I think.

Actually I think i_adore_adore is right, I mean the album still tanked, but illegal downloading and burning discs defiantly had a part.

Of my group of friends only one guy and I actually bought it at stores, and he burned copies of it for everyone else. Sad thing is, they all love it, but are not going to buy a copy.

See, without downloading, album sales overall would be different, we're not talking about that dumbass.

Adore is an idiot, and pretty much states the obvious time and time again.

Actually I think i_adore_adore is right, I mean the album still tanked, but illegal downloading and burning discs defiantly had a part.

Of my group of friends only one guy and I actually bought it at stores, and he burned copies of it for everyone else. Sad thing is, they all love it, but are not going to buy a copy.


i bet more people own an illegal version of bon jovi or fall out boy's album than own illegal versions of zeitgeist. if affects everybody.

Yeah. I have no doubt a lot more people have this album than what the numbers show thanks to illegal downloads. I'll also have to admit that That's The Way wasn't the best choice of single. The Hard Rocker/Pop Song single patten they've been using since MCIS should have been abandoned in favour of something that shows of the album's strengths (that's not to say I don't like That's The Way) like 7 Shades Of Black or Bring The Light.

The thing is, nothing on this album is good enough to have sold albums. Corgan just doesn't have it in him anymore.

question: can you see somebody buying zeitgeist that never bought a SP album before?
My answer: probably not.

What about Bon Jovi?

the biggest problem here is illegal downloading, I think.you know, all albums are illegally downloaded

yes, thank you.

I'm not talking about chart POSITION, I'm talking about people saying the album tanked due to sales. Already I've burned zeitgeist for one person (and she already downloaded a few songs and loved them, but had no intention of buying the rest of the album).

Just like Fallout Boy, if they were mainstream 15 years ago, would sell more albums than they're selling now.

Already I've burned zeitgeist for one person

:nooooo:

i mean i download plenty of albums for personal use, but would never rip copies of my own CDs for anybody, because that would just be morally reprehensible.

lol

hey, if trying to better humanity is wrong, then i guess i am just a bad person.

even Billy Corgan burns CDs.

Remember in the Day in the Life vids? He told Jeff he could rip Bill's CDs if he wanted.

And Billy never does anything wrong.

woah!

Still, he put on a good show at reading, his album might have tanked but he got a pretty good reception.

Sorry for being slow, been out of town but big ouch :(

US SOUNDSCAN NUMBERS CURRENT AS OF SEPTEMBER 26TH

#117 Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week: 5,816
To Date: 298,675

Sorry for being slow, been out of town but big ouch :(

US SOUNDSCAN NUMBERS CURRENT AS OF SEPTEMBER 26TH

#117 Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week: 5,816
To Date: 298,675

then i guess that would make it something like this...

US SALES

week 1 #2 146,091
week 2 #12 37,158 (-74.6%)
week 3 #22 26,396 (-28.9%)
week 4 #29 20,831 (-21.1%)
week 5 #40 15,376 (-26.2%)
week 6 #50 13,112 (-14.7%)
week 7 #66 10,262 (-21.7%)
week 8 #84 8,144 (-20.6%)
week 9 #91 6,732 (-17.3%)
week10#94 6,294 (-06.5%)
week11 #117 5,816 (-07.6%)
___________________
TOTAL 296,212 (298,675)*

WORLD SALES
week 1 #1 244,000
week 2 #7 120,000 (-50%)
week 3 #16 87,000 (-27.5%)
week 4 #23 69,000 (-20.7%)
week 5 #24 57,000 (-17.4%)
week 6 #27 49,000 (-14%)
week 7 #34 39,000 (-20.4%)
week 8 #?? 28,000** (-28%)**
week 9 #?? 20,000**(-17.3%)**
week10#?? 18,000**(-10.0%)**
week11#?? 16,000**(-11.0%)**
______
Total 743,000

US SALES vs WORLD SALES
% of world sales being US
week 1 60.9%
week 2 30.9%
week 3 30.3%
week 4 30.2%
week 5 27%
week 6 26.8%
week 7 25.6%
week 8 29.1%**
week 9 33.7%**
week10 34.9%**
week11 36.35%**
_______
from totals
39.9%

*some weekly figures got adjusted after i got them, not sure which, minor difference anyway.

** i don't have actual figures of world album sales for the week. likely won't get anymore. i'm guessing the world sales by "shooting low", probably actually a little higher

The world sales aren't bad, it sucks it will probably take a few years to go Gold here though.

i guess the ttw effect hasn't kicked in yet.

i think the kickass shows/tour are selling more records than anythign that has to do with TTW being a single.

i think you misunderstood me. i was commenting on the lack of discernible impact the single release has had, in that album sales continue to decline. no evidence the shows are doing a damn thing either.

Sorry for lack of updates

two weeks ago there was no report and i've been busy

but anywho

current as of October 10th and likely the last week we'll see the pumpkins on the top 200 charts


#198: Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week : 4, 013
To Date: 307,687

And Billy never does anything wrong.

You're kidding, right? :erm:

No. I'm 100% serious. Billy is practically Jesus Christ. Maybe he IS Jesus Christ. Heck, he's BETTER than Jesus Christ.

Sorry for lack of updates

two weeks ago there was no report and i've been busy

but anywho

current as of October 10th and likely the last week we'll see the pumpkins on the top 200 charts


#198: Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week : 4, 013
To Date: 307,687


I kind of find it funny what people are saying about the status of this album......look at the charts right now, what made you think that a hard rock band who isn't the hot new thing out there (i.e. they don't have a large teenage fan base ala fall out boy, etc.) was going to go platinum? Hell, what act is going platinum these days? Gold? The best selling music for this year are Daughtry, High School Musical II, and maybe Hannah Montana. What made you all think that a band like the Pumpkins, even if it was their best album, would sell a lot?

Someone do me a favor and compare Zeitgeist's sales with that of bands like The Flaming Lips and Wilco for their last albums. Two other bands who are about the same age and have a similar fan base.

How about I just tell you to fuck off instead.

Let this thread die already. Its a failure in Bills eyes, and you know it.

Also, it will climb back into the top 200 when bill releases the dvd edition. Enough of you retards are going to go out and buy it.

Don't you wish rep was still around Esty? Sometimes it seems so necessary.

Sorry for lack of updates

two weeks ago there was no report and i've been busy

but anywho

current as of October 10th and likely the last week we'll see the pumpkins on the top 200 charts


#198: Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
This Week : 4, 013
To Date: 307,687


WOW that's amazingly bad. I mean I liked the album but I am REALLY surprised it has fallen off the charts like this. The White Stripes arent' even touring their record and it's still up there. I don't think this is an argument about downloading or not - I mean all artists are subject to the same thing. SP is not relevant anymore. I think that Billy's work will be much more appreciated in RETROSPECT. And he will be respected for the body for work he has created and it's diversity. Zeitgeist just didnt' have the soul..... :cry:

Don't you wish rep was still around Esty? Sometimes it seems so necessary.


actually I wish there was a prison rape function, but the internet is still sadly limited in its capabilities.


p.s. yes, record did tank but I stand by my point, no one is doing really well.

I didn't mean you, Cherub Angel. Just wanted to clarify that.

Someone do me a favor and compare Zeitgeist's sales with that of bands like The Flaming Lips and Wilco for their last albums. Two other bands who are about the same age and have a similar fan base.

YHF - 600K
A Ghost is Born - 350K
Sky Blue Sky - ??? It opened w/ 87K in its first week

MV2007, you're a fucking asshole.

I am shocked and sickened to know that Eagles' first album in 30 years sold 711,000 in its first week in the US... :erm: :think:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003669047

I am shocked and sickened to know that Eagles' first album in 30 years sold 711,000 in its first week in the US... :erm: :think:

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003669047

I always thought The Eagles are ridiculous.

i fucking hate the eagles, but would rather them destroy britney's debut than let that skank get number 1. and it wasn't that great of a debut for her too. 290,000. considering the top 50 is mostly rap and pop thats pretty embarrassing.

you have many generations buying the eagles album. i don't see why it's any surprise.

that, and let's not forget that most eagles fans are probably in their 40's - 50's which pretty much kills the chance of them stealing ( downloading ) the album.

you have many generations buying the eagles album. i don't see why it's any surprise.

that, and let's not forget that most eagles fans are probably in their 40's - 50's which pretty much kills the chance of them stealing ( downloading ) the album.

Good point. They'll get it on cassette.

Zeitgeist moved up to #103 on the billboard chart with the release of the dvd edition.

you know, all albums are illegally downloaded

I'm glad someone said that. All bands suffer from illegal downloading. Zeitgeist failed for numerous reasons. From the marketing of the album to the weak second single. For an album to succeed things have to come together right, in this case they didn't so the album failed.

Zeitgeist moved up to #103 on the billboard chart with the release of the dvd edition.
Do you have any idea how many copies that is? I'm just curious as to how many total copies have been sold so far.

I'm glad someone said that. All bands suffer from illegal downloading. Zeitgeist failed for numerous reasons. From the marketing of the album to the weak second single. For an album to succeed things have to come together right, in this case they didn't so the album failed.

All bands don't suffer equally.

I am shocked and sickened to know that Eagles' first album in 30 years sold 711,000 in its first week in the US... :erm: :think:

You're shocked that the band that has the top selling album of all time (http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblTop100) sold a lot of records? :think:

Corganist, go fuck yourself.

Avril Lavigne: 4,600,000
Smashing Pumpkins: 700,000

Do you have any idea how many copies that is? I'm just curious as to how many total copies have been sold so far.

If I had to take a guess maybe around 8-10k. Total around 325,000 maybe.

Avril Lavigne: 4,600,000
Smashing Pumpkins: 700,000

:noway::rockon:

All bands don't suffer equally.

Agreed, but they all suffer and who's to say Zeitgeist suffered any more than other albums that have been released this year. Eventhough we can all agree that the album likely did suffer due to illegal downloading, it's not likely that it sufferend anymore than other alternative acts like Foo Fighters and Nine Inch Nails.

You're shocked that the band that has the top selling album of all time (http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=tblTop100) sold a lot of records? :think:

MCIS and Dookie are on that list. Makes me feel like a nobody.

Agreed, but they all suffer and who's to say Zeitgeist suffered any more than other albums that have been released this year. Eventhough we can all agree that the album likely did suffer due to illegal downloading, it's not likely that it sufferend anymore than other alternative acts like Foo Fighters and Nine Inch Nails.
Foo Fighters are suffering right now? as far as I know their new record is selling like all their other ones did

Smashing Pumpkins: 700,000

International sales?

All bands don't suffer equally.

That's right, this band has a core fanbase that will reliably buy multiple copies of the same album

lol

Foo Fighters are suffering right now? as far as I know their new record is selling like all their other ones did

I'm sure they have suffered just as much as any other alternative rock band. I'm certain this new album didn't sell as many copies in it's first week as there last album did.

I think the point I was trying to get across is that all bands suffer to a degree from illegal downloading. Not saying that one band suffers more than any other, but you'd think Smashing Pumpkins, Foo Fighters and Nine Inch Nails have a similar fan base, so you'd think they'd suffer just as much as the other bands with a similar fan base.

did NIN go platinum this year? i could probably look it up but im not in the mood

no

lolz.

Year Zero didn't even go Gold, yet it was considered a success

Go figure.

Where have people been getting their album chart stats? Billboard makes you pay to see them. Any other sites? I know I'm a dork for asking this.

it's a secret.

I'm on the Nielsen mailing list

They haven not made the charts since early Novembers reissue

Year Zero didn't even go Gold, yet it was considered a success

Go figure.
i consider both efforts from the pumpkins and year zero a success considering the climate for this kind of music right now.

I don't know if this is old:

http://www.worldwidealbums.net/2007.htm

Artist/Band
Smashing Pumpkins

Title
Zeitgeist

TOT06+07
855000

TOTTOT
919125

How about I just tell you to fuck off instead.

Let this thread die already. Its a failure in Bills eyes, and you know it.

Also, it will climb back into the top 200 when bill releases the dvd edition. Enough of you retards are going to go out and buy it.
I would love to meet you in real life and take a shit on you.

people who eat shit like being shitted on

Artist/Band
Smashing Pumpkins

Title
Zeitgeist

TOT06+07
855000

TOTTOT
919125

where does the 64000 unit discrepancy between total sales of zeitgeist and sales for the same album in 07 come from?

all along i've had a hunch that the special booklet edition wasn't being factored in to the billboard numbers.(since Beck and other artist have had simular problems when they did something out of the ordinary format wise.)