Already in line.. been here for a long long time...

anayways Jimmy, ginger, and jeff came together (i think lisa was there too)

Corgan came by himself...

they have now played Gossmar twice now during sound check, we can't get too close to the door because of fillmore people don't want us too close...

Free Internet near by that lets me post.

LIVE FROM THE FILLMORE!

cool!

i had no idea the first show it tonight


so, it's 2:30 pacific right now...there's no way i can make it up till 4:00 talking to you folks tonight but i will be excited to see how the first SF show goes

im hoping for some new songs tonight that the fans have been practically begging for but i'm also counting down the minutes till i get let down :(

you're in line already? it's only 2:37ish over there, is it not? when do the Filmore shows begin? i haven't been keeping up on things like this.

there will no new songs played tonight

the biggest surprise, as usual, will be fucking annie dog or starla


sp fans are the biggest douchebags ever...i am setting myself up to say "ok" rather than "man i am let down again"

i had no idea the first show it tonight

Yea, I completely forgot about it too. Here's hoping they play the stuff the other thread had mentioned!

Monte how often will you update this thread?

Monte, I am an old school fan. Does anyone have any tickets available for the show tonight? All I need is one.

there will no new songs played tonight

the biggest surprise, as usual, will be fucking annie dog or starla


sp fans are the biggest douchebags ever...i am setting myself up to say "ok" rather than "man i am let down again"

if there's no new songs played tonight im sure a few people in the crowd will feel a bit let down considering he promised that they would "retool songs that didn't make it onto zeitgeist" (which so far he has not done, unless you count playing gossamer for longer and longer every night) and he also promised to offer "new songs written the day of the show". so if they don't pull something new out of their ass tonight i don't think i'll be the only "douchebag" who feels a bit let down

I've gotten to the point where I won't be too let down, He brought out some new stuff at the OP, but not as much as I had hoped for, still some good offerings.

once it happens, can you let us know how the line / checking IDs, etc. works?

I've gotten to the point where I won't be too let down, He brought out some new stuff at the OP, but not as much as I had hoped for, still some good offerings.

they started adding cooler songs and more songs nightly for a long time but then they kind of started to lose momentum in the set list variation from night to night and at the last show they didn't even play the 2 new songs they had on the set list that was publicly released which, if you ask me, it was a HUGE mistake to let that get out.

I hope this goes threw but they were playing some weird music. The line is pretty healthy. I needed to get here early to get a prefer taping spot.
I will update this song by song if I can.
Some people say they have tix. Trades and what not. I suggest u come down and check

They've had a few days off between DC and now haven't they? I'd hope for a yet-unplayed song tonight to kick things off.

you'll get some new songs

I stopped by the fillmore myself.. the doors open at 8pm.. show starts at 9pm with Fair to Midland.. Pumpkins start at 10pm.. same deal as Asheville

of course as soon as I showed up they stopped the soundcheck.. anyway, I'll go back around 8pm to get in the back of the line

Hmm if doors open at 8pm, are they going to have enough time to verify IDs/distribute the 1000+ tickets for the 9pm show?

Anyone know how efficient Orange Peel distro/entry was?

yeah I have no idea.. when I called on the phone they said doors would open at 7:30pm.. but the sign on the box office window says 8pm, so who knows.. i'm sure they'll see how f'd up things go tonight and adjust accordingly for tomorrow

Hmm, according to this post by Angie in an Asheville thread (http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=143520&highlight=orange+tickets+check), staff begin verifying stuff while people are still in line. So, bringing photo ID, the ordering CC and the TM confirmation might be helpful...

I'll be there around 6 - 7 PM, does anyone wanna hang out and all o in together? I'll be wearing a black zero t-shit and somewhat long brown hair.

New sound check soong:
Come on lets go

Man if they play AEROPLANE no one has the right to bitch. It was so amazing at 930 Club. However, then they played Heavy Metal Machine, which was terrible. So there you have it.

I'll be there around 6 - 7 PM, does anyone wanna hang out and all o in together? I'll be wearing a black zero t-shit and somewhat long brown hair.

there are people from here in line.. just look for monte in the top hat and he can direct you.. he's in the front of the line

Hmm, according to this post by Angie in an Asheville thread (http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=143520&highlight=orange+tickets+check), staff begin verifying stuff while people are still in line. So, bringing photo ID, the ordering CC and the TM confirmation might be helpful...

well the impression I have is that Asheville was a very "down home" kind of place... the owners were walking the line just giving out tickets to people who needed them, etc.. I don't think you'll have that experience at the Fillmore.. I suppose they might walk the line and check ID's but I highly doubt it.. we'll soon find out

Do I need anything from the web from Ticketmaster like the confirmation? Or would my ID and credit card be enough?

monte in the top hat

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broken link for me

top hap
lol

Monte in top hat:


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yes i will be in a top hat and tie. up in the front of the line

i will not be able to answer any questions. i will just post the set list as i get it

Cool. I'll be there in two hours. See you all then.

have they started yet?

It's 5pm there

thanks.

Hey Monte... what time did you get there? And when did most people start showing up?

One last thing. Will my credit card and photo ID be enough, my printer isn't working and no way I can print out the confirmation.

One last thing. Will my credit card and photo ID be enough, my printer isn't working and no way I can print out the confirmation.

Yes...at least it should be.

hey monte do you have your large camera iwth you?

i'll see you cats there tomorrow night

I stopped by the fillmore myself.. the doors open at 8pm.. show starts at 9pm with Fair to Midland.. Pumpkins start at 10pm.. same deal as Asheville

of course as soon as I showed up they stopped the soundcheck.. anyway, I'll go back around 8pm to get in the back of the line

so does that mean promptly at 10pm every night? i didn't really pay attention to start times during asheville.

New sound check soong:
Come on lets go

you lucky bastard monte. this is the start of an epic week for you.

already you've heard my current fav song off Zeitgeist (which they didn't play in Paris) and its only the soundcheck. :o thats awesome.

we appreciate the taping/posting....but don't forget to enjoy the show a little in between, man ;) .... :cool:

hey monte do you have your large camera iwth you?

i'll see you cats there tomorrow night

he got a smaller, sleeker hand-held.

Someone please tell me how the lines are there. How early will I need to be lined up to be in the 4th or 5th row?

hey guys update us with merch, and i think drifter made a san fran shirt too

20 mins

what happens at 7?

the pumpkins start...

what happens at 7?
doors

k it has begun...

what happens at 7?

Doors open...then you wait till 10.

I've missed all the asheville threads. I'm so excited, and I'm not even there =)

so i guess it'll start around 1:00 eastern?

f that


i'll expect a full report in the morning kiddos!

Will call info
So will call is 3 lines. But you go threw a single line to get searched.
No appels tonite
Expensive shirts!!! $35+ a sweater that is $95
Only 2 balcony spots. I will get ok video from here. I wanted to be 1 more up.

jealous.

enjoy.

Someone please tell me how the lines are there. How early will I need to be lined up to be in the 4th or 5th row?

Ok so if u want 4 rows you need to get here by 4pm

Umm yes the drifter shirt mad it to sf.

The set up here is like the one in paris

The set up here is like the one in paris

crazy lights are back?

I'm not liking being in Central time and this being in Pacific...won't be able to get the setlist til tomorrow. So...what was for dinner? Hahaha.

the lack of updates is annoying... there were more netphorians at orange peel than at the fillmore apparently

I'm not liking being in Central time and this being in Pacific...won't be able to get the setlist til tomorrow. So...what was for dinner? Hahaha.

Me too. So sad I won't be able to get fake songs from people trolling. BTW, they just opened with Honestly.

But for real, thanks to whoever is in line posting updates.

Test video from where I am gives me some amazing shoots!

haven't started yet apparently, good i'll go eat something

Sweet! Thanks Monte!


Its definitely gonnabe harder for east coasters to follow the action since the show will be 1:00am to 4:00am for them.

4:00 am??? Guess you wont get any fake setlists this tour. Sorry guys.

Awesome Monte! Yeah I was missing the fake sets/anticipation that the Asheville threads provided.

So it's starting in like 40 minutes right?

Monte (or anyone else that is filming) I am planning on producing a DVD for the community on 7/30 if you are willing to collaborate your film it would be awesome. I'll make a thread about it as the dates get closer.

so like if I got in line at 4pm and got in the first three rows and then had to pee, what would happen to my spot

Ok so if u want 4 rows you need to get here by 4pm


Thanks a bunch. That's welcome news. I usually arrive at like 10am for sp shows... that's great news...

this is the start of an epic week for you.



:erm:

its a concert.

Opening act done :)

Since I am taping I will post between sets. Sorry. No one else is taping!

awesome!! hope it rules. my gf is short, i was planning on heading to the balcony when we go so she'd have a chance at seeing. but i'm guessing that won't really be possible since we work and won't be able to get in line early. we might even have to skip the opening act.. this is going to be tough. :/ maybe the one little stair near the bar i can try for..

10min.!!!!!!?

I'm listening to the first Asheville show in anticipation, United States is playing and I must say - having just jammed with my band earlier I have SO MUCH more respect for Chamberlin's drumming on this record. I'm trying the best I can to mimic the song, with sticks in the air - and it's possible but I can tell I'm a bit too slow and missing a few notes...

Ok, enough coffee - ON WITH THE SHOW!

(haha, it's 1:06am eastern time here in Buffalo, NY and I'm freaking ready.)

k wtf'd they play?

haha - getting better...

c'mon Tomorrow Never Knows.... you bastard... <----making no sense

United States

as always...

(in young need)

Doomsday clock

*Fucks up the song (Not sure if that is in reference to doomsday clock, or song #3.)

United States
Are you posting from there or is someone messaging you?

Are you posting from there or is someone messaging you?


I got a texter at the show.

Are you posting from there or is someone messaging you?

Well so far he's posting the first Orange Peel show...

I have no reason to believe what the guy is sending me is bogus.

I mean its not a texter that I used at the OP, so I can't vouch 100%, but there is no reason for him to lie.

bring the light

Orchid
Blue Skies

nice! rex bang and squishy to th rescue!

Rex Bang lies...

hey rex bangs are you at this show, and are you going to any others?

cause i'll break your fucking neck if i see you

I haven't recieved Bring the Light from the texter..Not saying its not true tho.

ZEITFEST. OMG BL00 SKIEZ BRING TEH TEARZEz?!!?!? LUCKY!!!111111

Hey guys,

The band asked me to reach out to everybody here. It really wasn’t cool that someone broke into the rehearsal space and stole those pictures. The band is going after that person with the full extent of the law.


oh <i>do</i> go on...

i fucking love this board

Starla

So its:

US
Doomsday Clock
Orchid
Blue Skies
Starla

Thats quite the solid intro...

Today

*Billy killed the solo in Starla

Man im downf or some starla love on the 18th

Bullet.

Today

*Billy killed the solo in Starla
I hope he turned up his guitar as well.

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cause i'll break your fucking neck if i see you


ooookay sean casey. like you would even say one word in a real life social situation.

Hummer

ohhhhhhhhhhh online netphoria brawl

Damn im down for hummer on the 18th as well

Hummer

Is that the one that goes, "I'm never coming back, I'm never giving in, I'll never be the shine in your..." Damnit! Stop playing Hummer and start playing Fuck You! (An Ode To No One)

Lucky 13

Bolly apparently in love with Machina era songs:

HMM.

i bet we get no new songs tonight

ooookay sean casey. like you would even say one word in a real life social situation.

haha, look at this guy getting all serious. hey ranger rex, i'm going to burn down a forest, better call some authorities, quick!!

Safe assumption you wont hear anything new.


Personally i think they'll bust something random tonight.

Probably a zeitsong they havent played yet.

although all that machina maybe a age of innocence?

I'd scream like a girl from my computer screen.

Tonite

God & country.

I am getting so damn tempted to go do something more interesting right now...

I am getting so damn tempted to go do something more interesting right now...

It might be worth it heh.

It might be worth it heh.

To the Playstation! *marches away with Rise Against dvd*

Rise Against
:rofl:

:erm:

its a concert.

he's going to every single filmore show, even the radio contest one that was announced most recently.

pretty fucking epic, if you ask me...

so..are they playing 2 sets? or is it more similar to the last asheville show with one set?

so..are they playing 2 sets? or is it more similar to the last asheville show with one set?


I dunno, I havent recieved a text in awhile..and I need sleep soon.

Man i'd one pissed off fat man if that's all i got for driving 8 hours to see em

This is what we have so far:
US
Doomsday Clock
Orchid
Blue Skies
Starla
Today
Bullet
Hummer
Lucky 13
Heavy Metal Machine
Tonight
For God & Country

i doubt they'd end a set on god & country

Good night.

Good night.

GUess we'll find out in the morning!

wow are you seroius?

Give the guy someone elses numebr to text.

If he can text to aim give him my sn it's righ thier for th eclik'n

Give the guy someone elses numebr to text.

If he can text to aim give him my sn it's righ thier for th eclik'n
fuck off.

then learn how to spell.

lol ?

Well isn't Monte posting at the end of sets?

I hope so.

I don't like waiting it drives me nutts.

I hope so.

I don't like waiting it drives me nutts.
Is English not your primary language?

just asking?

lol you got me man!

Good one.

monte did you get in with that huge ass camera on your ask a question vid?

So it's almost over...

us,doomsday billy fduplyrics,orchid,bsbt,starla,welcome2ourbandpract ice,today bwbw,hummer,lucky13,time4arocknrollparty,heavymmmo shing,2night2night,4g+c,rottenapples,ifallgoeswron g,leavinglane?,2sheila, glass,tarantula,starz,zero,disarm,untitled,thatsth eway,neverlost,drown.silverfuck, 1230am,encore1gossamer,

2 encores abandonded

so it's over then?

Let's hope Glass refers to Glass' Theme not GatGC... unlikely I think! Can't beat Starla, Hummer, Drown and Silverfuck though. Yum.

What the the encores supposed to be?

Wow. That's really shitty.

I'm much more excited about the discovery of vinyl rips of Radiohead albums I posted elsewhere on this forum earlier in the night.

Based on the setlist i'm glad I decided to stay home tonight. Would have loved to hear Drown. Not a big fan of Gossamer would rather they did not play it the days i'm there.

I much more excited about the discovery of vinyl rips of Radiohead albums I posted elsewhere on this forum earlier in the night.

Eh? Finally something interesting. Thanks for the info...grabbing some of them right now. :smoke:

Let's hope Glass refers to Glass' Theme not GatGC... unlikely I think! Can't beat Starla, Hummer, Drown and Silverfuck though. Yum.

What the the encores supposed to be?

it was GatGC

Based on the setlist i'm glad I decided to stay home tonight. Would have loved to hear Drown. Not a big fan of Gossamer would rather they did not play it the days i'm there.

its kinda of masturbatory, for everyone... except Ginger, she's left out of the musical circle jerk.

they started at 10:02pm

Jeff was wearing his street clothes outfit (black and white checkered shirt) and ginger was hot
they opened with the creepy lullaby music.. i dont know if it was "suspiria" because i didnt listen to the asheville intro

on doomsday clock.. billy f'd up the part where he was supposed to say "ticking in my heart not broken" on the first chorus.. he said "ticking in my heart these lonely days" (as if he was already on the 2nd chorus) and then caught himself and laughed or something

after starla billy said "welcome to our band practice"

after lucky 13 billy said "time for a rock and roll party"

there was moshing during heavy metal machine

glass=glass and ghost children

the main set went from 10pm-12:30am (2.5 hours without any set break, unlike the set 1/set 2 style in Asheville)

encore 1 = 30 minute gossamer

after gossamer before the lights came on people were leaving like crazy.. as we know, billy doesn't like when that happens.. the lights came on and the show was over.. of course, the show was already 3 hours at this point, so it might have been an issue with the fillmore wanting to close..

encore 2 was supposed to be cherub rock, muzzle
encore 3 was supposed to be with every light

they should have done the 20 minute gossamer and they would have had time to squeeze in at least encore 2...

all in all, awesome show of course

the opening band Fair to Midland closed their set with the lead singer climbing and hanging from the pumpkins light scaffolding (doing an Eddie Vedder imitation) and then dropping to the ground

one guy was wearing an AD / HD shirt in the style of the BC / JC logo (and AC / DC of course)

i'm sure monte will post more about the merch.. they had a $20 belt buckle.. $25 limited edition of 1000 zeitgeist poster (the cover of the album)... $95 hoodie with the Drifter front on the back of it, and on the front the SP heart.. (no tour dates on it)

The fillmore poster (which will be given out every night of the fillmore shows) featured the lincoln memorial underwater wearing one of those old-timey scuba helmet.. at first I was like WTF but with the cover of zeitgeist featuring the statue of liberty underwater, it made sense.. pretty cool i think

youtube was there heavily promoting the Ask a Pumpkin deal.. i guess they only have 68 questions and would like to have at least 100.. they were giving out cool postcards promoting it, i'll scan one later

they said the pumpkins will be reviewing the questions next week and the answers will start getting posted the week after next (while they're in SF)

old timey scuba helmet:
http://www.absolutvision.com/gallery/gallery/th/2N3025.100.jpg

Hey there, I was the texter sending squishy the updates, solid show top to bottom, here is the setlist:

United States
Doomsday Clock (Billy fucked up the lyrics and looked like he was going to have a total meltdown for a second, then laughed it off)
Bleeding The Orchid
Blue Skies Bring Tears
Starla
Today
BWBW
Hummer
Lucky 13
Heavy Metal Machine
Tonite, Tonite
For God & Country (full band acoustic)
Rotten Apples (just Billy and lisa)
If All Goes Wrong
***New acoustic song***
To Sheila
Glass And The Ghost Children
Tarantula
Starz
Zero
Disarm
Untitled
That's The Way
Neverlost
Drown
Silverfuck

Encore
Gossamer (just over 30 minutes in length, killer drum solo by Jimmy)

***New Acoustic Song***= The Leaving Lament (played in Asheville)

back to the Fillmore for me.. try to catch Billy for his 2am departure..

Fillmore had a tapers section next to the soundboard and the guys said stands would be fine, but I didn't see anyone set up :(. Monte video taped upstairs, I saw at least 3 other video tapers on the floor, one on the left, two on the right.

Security was pretty lax, only long lens cameras/"professional" were not allowed.

Drown->Silverfuck was amazing. Lotsa solid fans in the house, cheering when Hummer started. Many talking drunks too

haha, security asked one of the loud drunks to be quiet.. and the guy went home.. that was great

crappy scan of the poster.. i'm sure someone will post a better one.. but at least you can see underwater lincoln memorial

http://www.Photo-Host.org/img/155252poster.jpg (http://www.Photo-Host.org)

sweet
i can't wait to get my hands on that poster :)

youtube promo card:

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I couldn't leave without getting the official Fillmore night 1 dinner setlist! (inside joke for the Asheville dinner setlist posse)

monte and I enjoyed the nachos along with someon else.. and the manhole cover was decent

http://www.Photo-Host.org/img/611824dinner_setlist_fillmore_night_1.jpg (http://www.Photo-Host.org)

monte said his hand was hurting like hell after holding the camera for 2.5 hours straight.. gotta give him props for being a human tripod

i'll give him hella mad props if he can keep it up for the entire residency

so were the posters limited or were there enough for anyone who wanted one?

so were the posters limited or were there enough for anyone who wanted one?

people that left early did not get a poster.. but yes they print enough for everyone that buys a ticket to get one poster when they leave.. (the fillmore lincoln memorial poster)

the zeitgeist cover $25.00 poster is limited edition to 1000, apparently, like I said.. but I know you weren't talking about that one

i'll give him hella mad props if he can keep it up for the entire residency

yeah maybe we'll trade off or something... although I would hate to ruin the recording with shaky hands or something, but he said he just needs a few minutes break here and there so we'll see

he's sleeping in a bit tomorrow so hopefully that will help, although I hope he still gets his recording spot

Damn, the show was fucking awesome. My attitude towards Zeitgeist is a billion times higher now that I've seen them play some songs live. It was a blast.

Security there can be a little bitchy. There was some asswipe wearing a hat who was protecting his girlfriend from people who were the ones dancing and tryin to mosh. Security came over and grabbed a few of us away form the asswipe dude with the hat protecting his hot girl, but the dude barely moved his head at all during the night. He looked all pissed.

Just a word to the wise, you can move about but don;t go too crazy or else the big bouncer dudes will come in and stand right in everyone's way. It was some fat fucker who pissed us all off. After he left it picked up again.

Silverfuck was awesome. Gossamer was a good encore and a good ending to the night. Those of us towards the front didn't leave too quickly and it felt like the people around me were ready for a lot more. Everyone around me, me including, went nuts when Hummer was being performed. It was a solid crowd and people knew material that just weren't radio singles. I've got more to say, but after getting on two busses to come home and then walking another half hour because my stupid ass got off at the wrong stop is tired. Gonna go smoke and call it a night.

I'll be there tomorrow, probably early around 2 - 4 so if ya wanna hang or smoke just let me know.

They were handing out the posters to everyone. It's a cool poster. I neeed to get a new one tomorrow night since the wind took mine out and made it a wrinkled mess.

Come to think of it, I could hear Billy clearly and the vocals were pretty decent. Seemed like they had most of their shit together, but tomorrow should be even better.

Jimmy's a monster on the drums.

Smashing pumpkins
July 15, 2007
The fillmore
San francisco, Ca

Set list
1. United states
2. Doomsday clock
3. Bleeding the orchid
4. Blue skies bring tears
5. Starla
6. Bwbw
7. Today
8. Hummer
9. Lucky 13
10. Heavy metal machine/go ask alice/rocknroll
11. Tonight tonight (amazing as always)
12. For god and country
13. Rotten apples (fuck yeah)
14. If all goes wrong with me/will you leave
15. Does here go there/I can't leave here
16. To shelia (total highlight)
17. Glass and the ghost children!!!!!
18. Tarantula
19. Starz!!!!!!!!!!!!
20. Zzzzzzzzzzzzero
21. Disarm
22. Untitled (wow soo much better live)
23. That's the way *myloveis*
24. Never lost... lets kill these hours. (bad ass)
25. Drownnnnnnnnn
26. Silver fuckKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

1st. Encore (billy's first break.. Fucking crazy! Seen people pass out already)

27. Gossomar - "you don't want me anymore... you don't need me anymore" (best song everrrrr... beating us into submission)
"Where did you see my love go" "You aint going anywhere/!!!" "there's a big train comming" (fuck..... wooooow seriosuly the show that never ended)

also, at the soundboard they have a big monitor which lists the setlist, although only about 1/2 on the screen at the time.. but I could easily text someone the entire setlist long before the show actually ends, if you guys are interested? I dont know if that would "ruin" things for people.. but it seems like its hard for people to stay awake to hear the whole thing so maybe you wouldn't mind .. and I can update when I get home if they end up axing any encores, like tonight..

well someone PM me your number if you want me to text you.. MisterSquishyHalo perhaps? i'll be at all 13 shows, like Monte

monte could post it but he's too busy trying to record the show, that was the problem tonight too

did anyone hang around after the show and see anyone come out? i went back at 2am and everyone was long gone, so maybe billy left early after the show this time

Billy came out, I thought, around 2am. Jeff and Ginger left like 10 minutes before him, to absolutely no fanfair. Nobody cheered or anything..it was weird. Jimmy left like 40 minutes before everyone.

Billy came out and was really nice and smiling..he mostly talked to some girl in the front, and couldn't really hear what he had to say. He complained about sound issues during the show, but that was about it. He left shortly thereafter.

What encore songs did they axe? Everyone seemed beat by the end of that show...so not surprised they axed it, as half of the house seemed empty.

they axed cherub rock, and muzzle?
christ.
if you can't stick around for a whole concert, don't buy tickets to the thing. people leaving just amazes me.

:erm:

they axed cherub rock, and muzzle?
christ.
if you can't stick around for a whole concert, don't buy tickets to the thing. people leaving just amazes me.

yes they axed cherub rock and muzzle (encore 2) plus with every light (encore 3)

i think people were not prepared for 30 minute gossamer in san francisco.. except for the fans that have been following the previous setlists.. they wont play gossamer every night so that should help keep the room full and ensure we see the full setlist.. looks like they played it 6 of 9 shows in asheville

I think I've been up for maybe 36 hours now, with only 2-3 hours of sleep on the plane from Chicago to SF. Hardly ever been so exhausted at teh end of a show. I really did not even need more music, the 3 hours was a long ass time, and what a show!!!

New style Heavy Metal Machine kicked ass -- lots of pushing/moshing (I really didn't mind since I was close to the front anyway).

Silverfuck jam was sick

Gossamer is cool, but I can see where people are coming from that they wank on it a bit too much (30 mins tonoight). This was my first time ever hearing it (been avoiding the recordings). Jimmy's drum solo killed though

To Sheila was absolutely beautiful

Starla - Billy was great to watch on guitar. Same during Hummer

Someone yelled "SOMA!!!1" then someone else "I am One!!", and then they played Drown, which was just wonderful. Truly one of their most amazing songs.

The sound got better as the show went on. Billy mentioned that he thought there were some sound issues (in the back of the venue after the show). He only talked very briefly. Mentioned that they are thinking about South America dates in Nov/Dec.

Several fucking drunks yelled during the acoustic stuff, but it was fairly isolated. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned security telling someone to be quiet. I thought it was just fans, but I was center in front of Billy, this was to the left a bit. Suddenly we heard "shut the fuck up!!!!" to some guy. I guess he left, so that's good.

That's the way has way too much guitar going on, doesn't it??

God & Country may have been better the acoustic style how they played it tonight vs. the album version IMO.

Untitled - how can anyone not like this song?? It is so euphoric. First time hearing it live tonight, was pretty nice

Fillmore had a tapers section next to the soundboard and the guys said stands would be fine, but I didn't see anyone set up :(.


Who said that stands were OK? One of the guys who was planning to run hi-def video specifically asked at the door about using his tripod and mic stand, but they said NO. He said the tapers' section at Fillmore is always directly to the left of the soundboard, which is at the back of the floor, and didn't know why he wouldn't be allowed.

If you are going to more shows and can talk to more people there about letting stands in that'd be great. The taper I mentioned above will be back for several more dates.

monte said his hand was hurting like hell after holding the camera for 2.5 hours straight.. gotta give him props for being a human tripod


Troo fans buy monopods! :) Let me know if you need any tips on that. Yes, it is damn near impossible to hold a camcorder for 3 hours. It sucks.

lots of shitty songs.

tripod and mic stand, but they said NO. the problem might have been asking for both

So much for Geek USA, Ruby, and Soma...

Wow same sets.............what a letdown setlist wise. Go ahead and give me the excuses
-- look their are 2 new members they can only learn 50 songs and thats it no more rest of tour i guess...
Man i have tickets for the fall. We will be lucky to get 2 or 3 new songs by then or different ones.
Gish
SD
and MCIS
Pisces
Adore
Are all pretty much being ignored. Yeah they are playing a few from those big deal they are the same ones. Had my hopes up for these residencys. Hopes have crashed. As good as the shows were for me they could have been hostoric but instead youcant tell the shows apart because of the sets.

I reeeaaalllyyyyyyyyyyy hope the SF shows get a bit more exciting than that ~_~


Is #15 new? I imagine it's just an Asheville song but I can't think of which one that would be.

So much for Geek USA, Ruby, and Soma...


yeah and i'm starting to get a bit annoyed

it doesn't make any sense to me why billy can't just whip out a new acoustic song every show or two

like soma acoustic would be cool and it would only take billy practicing it a few times to get it right...the rest of the band doesn't even need to be involved...i can think of a million songs that people would go absolutely nuts for if billy just stood there and did it acoustic...soothe, whir, this time, beautiful, etc

granted, he's already done this with rotten apples, daydream, the mercury tree, etc, but why not more?

but he'll probably bring out "french movie theme" or fucking "in my body" again before "ruby"

I couldn't leave without getting the official Fillmore night 1 dinner setlist! (inside joke for the Asheville dinner setlist posse)

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monte said his hand was hurting like hell after holding the camera for 2.5 hours straight.. gotta give him props for being a human tripod

lol @ the dinner setlist .

you would think that someone would slide over to let someone use the balcony rail if they were taping the show . . ::shrugs::

thanks though to monte for taping these shows !

. m

small cameras were allowed in...

looked like their was just me & someone else taping video.

my video is slitely incomplete because they played for 2 and half hours straight, not giving me time to change the battery. so a little bit of silverfun is missing, not much.

this is why i didn't buy tickets to the national tour!

yes they axed cherub rock and muzzle (encore 2) plus with every light (encore 3)



ouch. i'd be pretty pissed about that.

ouch. i'd be pretty pissed about that.

i wasn't. i wanted to go home and to bed so bad. what a long day.

hey if anyone wants to trade a fillmore poster for a asheville poster i have 2 asheville ones

someone let me know when these setlists start to differ. i'm getting really tired of reading these threads, seeing people bitch about things they themselves have not seen, and wondering why i even waste my time here to begin with. thanks.

did anyone auto tape at all?? my video is good, but the audio is BAD BAD BAD-

<img src="http://www.monteit.com/audio.jpg">

it would be better if we didnt have the internet and just went to the show ....because we see the setlists of all the shows all the time and watch all the online videos of all the concerts we get bored.

i'm leaving if they play gossamer tonight. i think if a band wants to do 30 minute songs and 3 hour shows, they shouldn't have an opener

hey whatcolor.

say hi to bill for me.

i'm leaving if they play gossamer tonight. i think if a band wants to do 30 minute songs and 3 hour shows, they shouldn't have an opener

While Im really digging the 3 hour shows...I do agree that no opening band would be much better. For Easterners coming to the show it would be even worse, feeling like you're up till 4:00am. But ya...Id say bump everything up an hour.

Thanks for posting the dinner setlist.

this is why i didn't buy tickets to the national tour!
Ditto

it would be better if we didnt have the internet and just went to the show ....because we see the setlists of all the shows all the time and watch all the online videos of all the concerts we get bored.
2 nights in a row in Asheville and I got bored.

say hi to bill for me.


i will, with my middle finger

I sure hope that they play For Martha soon!!

you people sound like my grandma.

your grandma has to get up early to work each day?

why do people bitch about the similiar set-list night after night?

All it shows is that you're a loser, get a life.

she's dead asshole.

i will, with my middle finger

thnx, brah.

she's dead asshole.


i don't think it's reasonable to get upset about my question because you're the one who brought her up

you people sound like my grandma.

what do you mean by "you people"?

excuse me if i'm a little "unreasonable" in my time of mourning.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6386701

Pumpkins aren't quite Smashing during Fillmore opener
By Jim Harrington
MEDIANEWS

Article Launched: 07/16/2007 06:25:20 AM PDT

It was like a marathon within a marathon.
The Smashing Pumpkins opened their much-anticipated 11-night stand at the legendary Fillmore in San Francisco -- the second longest run in the venue's fabled history -- with an epic three-hour show. The concert began at 10 p.m. Sunday and ended at 1:07 a.m.

Whew.

Like all marathons, some stretches were easier to take than others. When the band delivered the old hits, always in a tight, concise and tuneful manner that resembled the recorded versions, the concert was a breeze. Too often, however, it felt like we were running mile 26 over and over again as we listened to the group stretch out the new songs well past their worth.

In all, it was another self-indulgent evening in the life of Billy Corgan, the Pumpkins' leader who often seems to own the patent on self obsession.

Currently, he's driven to prove he still belongs among the A-list of rock stars -- something he failed to do with his two previous projects, the band Zwan and his own short-lived solo career. There's no doubt that he once belonged among that elite company, back when the Smashing Pumpkins were one of the biggest bands of the '90s.

But it's been all downhill for Corgan since the Pumpkins reached the pinnacle of their success with 1995's "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness," a nine-times-platinum work that ranks as the best-selling double-album of that decade. The band would go on to release two more albums -- 1998's "Adore" and 2000's
"Machina/The Machines of God," both of which were seen as commercial disappointments -- before disbanding in 2000.
It's the band's past glory, as well as the promise that it can reach greatness once again, which has people so excited about this lengthy Fillmore run. (The only act to conduct a longer stint was Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, who performed 20 nights at the Fillmore back in 1997.)

The Pumpkins face an uphill battle in trying to regain their former level of popularity. For one thing, this is really only half a reunion -- it features vocalist-guitarist Corgan and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin, but not guitarist James Iha and bassist D'Arcy Wretzky.

Another factor is the harm that Corgan has done to the band's name -- since, really, the two are one and the same in most fans' minds -- with his unsuccessful solo career and the largely ignored Zwan.

Then there is the recently released comeback album, "Zeitgeist," which, based on Sunday's performance of the material, hardly sounds like a sure-fire blockbuster.

But there were moments when everything clicked between the crowd and the band, which now *******s guitarist Jeff Schroeder and bassist Ginger Reyes. Unfortunately, the first one didn't occur until 40 minutes into the set -- although it felt like much longer -- as the band finally played a hit, "Today'' from 1993's breakthrough effort "Siamese Dream." And, notably, the band played the tune the way it sounds on record.

Prior to that, we were given spaced-out, fuzzed-out, guitar-drenched odysseys that started to quickly wear down the crowd. It started with the opener as Corgan -- looking like a character from a Dr. Seuss book, shiny bald headed and dressed in all white except for some black stripes on his sleeves -- embarked on a voyage through the new album's "United States" that felt longer than a cross-country trip.

The band delivered similar treatments to semi-obscure tunes, like the "Machina" track "Blue Skies Bring Tears," as well as to songs that are so new they aren't even on "Zeitgeist."

The problem with many big-artist-plays-small-venue shows is that it often translates to a license for the act to play whatever it wants. The fans end up paying for the "privilege" by having to listen to a set that is very different (read: not as good) as what they would hear at a bigger venue. And, indeed, Corgan saw this Fillmore outing as something different than a regular show.

"Welcome to our band practice," he told the crowd.

On the plus side, the Smashing Pumpkins -- at least musically speaking -- don't sound like a group in need of much practice. The players were in fine form, especially on tracks like "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" and "Tonight, Tonight."

As the band launched into its encore -- 30 minutes of highly improvised, barely enjoyable space rock -- it became painfully clear what it is this band needs.

A good editor.

Write music critic Jim Harrington at jharrington@angnewspapers.com. For more live music coverage, visit the Concert Blog at http://www.insidebayarea.com/music.

I'll trade someone an ashville poster for a Fillmore one...

pm if interested.

Prior to that, we were given spaced-out, fuzzed-out, guitar-drenched odysseys

See to me, that makes it sound pretty awesome.

Also sorry if people at home were upset about lack new any major bustouts in the setlist, but being my first show in 7 years (and tons of kids' first show ever), I wouldn't have cared if it was an exact copy of an Asheville setlist.

No one at the show was complaining about the setlist, at least around me.

If the run continues and some bustouts do not come, then yes I'll be a bit irked, but for a crowd that was largely new to SP 2007, it wasn't a factor at all

Has there ever been a concert reviewer that enjoyed long songs/jams? It is the easiest thing to pick on. I do agree that Gossamer had a bit too much wanking for its own good, but the "guitar odysseys" that preceded "Today" had no problems. Reviewers just love to jump on them because US is 9-10 mins long. Review pretty much sucked

Is #15 new? I imagine it's just an Asheville song but I can't think of which one that would be.

i believe it's 'leaving lament' which he debuted at the last asheville show.

i'm actually kind of dreading this show. especially bringing someone who's not so a huge fan. if i hate united states and find it unbearable, i can only imagine what it's like for someone who hasn't got a built in tolerance for bill's douchebaggery

More on taping from "dcbullet" at Taperssection:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,87648.0.html

"I taped last night. I looked around but couldn't see any other audio tapers. Of course, it's pretty dim in there. I can't imagine I was the only one.

There were several video tapers. I saw at least one up in the side balcony area and two on my side, which was the right side.

FYI, during the first song, security escorted me outside to the fire escape while they checked that in fact it was OK to tape that night. This was despite the fact there was a fucking video camera being run 10 feet from me. I would like to give a thanks to the obviously crack security supervisor for letting his troops know it was open taping."

"The fans end up paying for the "privilege" by having to listen to a set that is very different (read: not as good) as what they would hear at a bigger venue."

this is the one thing that gets on my nerves with reviewers. i don't really care if they enjoy a show or not, but why do so many think that bigger venue shows equal better shows? usually those are just overproduced run-thorughs of the hits made for a quick score. i avoid those big venue shows and i think a lot more people do.

How many hit songs did Billy bring out? He played a couple of obscure machina tracks, but for the most part it was zeitgeist/hits/and cool obscure stuff (starla, rotten apples).

Not sure wtf the reviewer is talking about.

the review sucks.

I'd be more than pleased with that set list.

The reviewer probably wore a hat and was protecting his girlfriend from all the people trying to actually move about and bang their heads.

There was this really tall 6' 8" guy at the concert and there was a good four feet of space behind him since no one could see over him.

"The fans end up paying for the "privilege" by having to listen to a set that is very different (read: not as good) as what they would hear at a bigger venue."

this is the one thing that gets on my nerves with reviewers. i don't really care if they enjoy a show or not, but why do so many think that bigger venue shows equal better shows? usually those are just overproduced run-thorughs of the hits made for a quick score. i avoid those big venue shows and i think a lot more people do.

good point, especially since the show is just $25.00. It's not like we're paying $150 for an intimate night with the pumpkins. It's $25.00 for a close-up rock out. It's for real fans of the band, not reviewers.

Hey thanks to Mark and Monte for their setlist efforts. I'd gladly give my cell number for an earlier setlist, but I can't recieve texts. Someone do it please. Have fun at the remaining shows guys!

Who said that stands were OK? One of the guys who was planning to run hi-def video specifically asked at the door about using his tripod and mic stand, but they said NO. He said the tapers' section at Fillmore is always directly to the left of the soundboard, which is at the back of the floor, and didn't know why he wouldn't be allowed.

If you are going to more shows and can talk to more people there about letting stands in that'd be great. The taper I mentioned above will be back for several more dates.
I don't know about entry, but inside the venue, the security guys/soundboard guys were saying stands allowed in that taped off section next to the board. No one set up there, however...

Hey thanks to Mark and Monte for their setlist efforts. I'd gladly give my cell number for an earlier setlist, but I can't recieve texts. Someone do it please. Have fun at the remaining shows guys!

yeah, so far I have received no PM's with anyone's cell phone.. its pretty late for people to have to stay up, so its understandable

yeah, so far I have received no PM's with anyone's cell phone.. its pretty late for people to have to stay up, so its understandable

Alright, if you make it all one text, I can probably do it. It can't be multiples though. SO I'll PM you and use me as a last resort. Thanks a lot Mark.

I attended this show, and it wasn't great, I have to say. Setlist was pretty boring, 8 Zeitgeist songs played, and the picks were not the best that they did play. Billy's vocals were inaudible, as was Jeff's guitar and Ginger's bass was pretty low as well, much lower than Paz' in the Zwan era. Ginger looked like she wasn't enjoying herself much and was visibly bored at many points. Lisa is a horrendous player, I just can't believe that she is "with" the band. BC passed up Garson for this lady?! He would do well to bring back Melissa Auf Der Maur, who actually likes the songs, than some broad who's just collecting a paycheck, as well as Garson, who can actually play. Jeff was fine, he seems like he really tries and like he enjoys playing, he is a good James replacement but Ginger/Lisa MUST go. Billy didn't look like he was having much fun either...I guess those days are gone.

it's a night to night thing w/ these guys

I attended this show, and it wasn't great, I have to say. Setlist was pretty boring, 8 Zeitgeist songs played, and the picks were not the best that they did play. Billy's vocals were inaudible, as was Jeff's guitar and Ginger's bass was pretty low as well, much lower than Paz' in the Zwan era. Ginger looked like she wasn't enjoying herself much and was visibly bored at many points. Lisa is a horrendous player, I just can't believe that she is "with" the band. BC passed up Garson for this lady?! He would do well to bring back Melissa Auf Der Maur, who actually likes the songs, than some broad who's just collecting a paycheck. Jeff was fine, he seems like he really tries and like he enjoys playing, he is a good James replacement but Ginger/Lisa MUST go. Billy didn't look like he was having much fun either...I guess those days are gone.

I enjoyed myself, but I can see where you're coming from. One question, where were you standing? If you were anywhere near front & center, you probably weren't hearing the PA mix. I was three people back just left of front, and most of what I could hear was Billy's guitar through his monitor speaker. I could barely hear Jeff or any backing vocals.

Jeff was fine, he seems like he really tries and like he enjoys playing, he is a good James replacement but Ginger/Lisa MUST go. Billy didn't look like he was having much fun either...I guess those days are gone.
Billy was smiling and laughing a lot - it looked to me like he, Jeff, and Jimmy were having a good time. ginger did look really bored though, I was standing pretty close to her and she barely did anything the whole time.

Alright, if you make it all one text, I can probably do it. It can't be multiples though. SO I'll PM you and use me as a last resort. Thanks a lot Mark.

its impossible to get the whole setlist in one text. what kind of ancient cell phone are you using? :) i'll just try to send them to you.. if they don't go through, so be it... no one else pm'd me

I skimmed most of the posts, and didn't see anyone mention this. Apologies if it was already brought up.

At the beginning of Lucky 13, Jimmy pounded out a measure of the main tom pattern, then paused and waited for applause. He did it a second time, then pointed his sticks out towards the crowd to egg them on, and more people started cheering. Meanwhile, Billy booed and gave Jimmy a thumbs down. Jimmy responded by flipping Billy off, and they both had a laugh.

I skimmed most of the posts, and didn't see anyone mention this. Apologies if it was already brought up.

At the beginning of Lucky 13, Jimmy pounded out a measure of the main tom pattern, then paused and waited for applause. He did it a second time, then pointed his sticks out towards the crowd to egg them on, and more people started cheering. Meanwhile, Billy booed and gave Jimmy a thumbs down. Jimmy responded by flipping Billy off, and they both had a laugh.

yeah i wasn't sure if that was something they did in asheville also.. thanks for reminding

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/gallery/pics/sf_7_15_07.jpg

monte and I enjoyed the nachos along with someon else.. and the manhole cover was decent



no one's gonna make a pun? c'mon

no one's gonna make a pun? c'mon

haha.. yeah i was talking about the ice cream sandwich.. ok im just making things worse now

that is an awful review and

someone needs spell check

lol

Ugh. That review was awful. Does that guy have any idea what the idea behind the residencies is? He implies twice that it's preferable to hear songs the way they sound "on the record," bashes improvisation, and bitches that it took 40 minutes for the band to play a "hit."

The problem with many big-artist-plays-small-venue shows is that it often translates to a license for the act to play whatever it wants. The fans end up paying for the "privilege" by having to listen to a set that is very different (read: not as good) as what they would hear at a bigger venue. And, indeed, Corgan saw this Fillmore outing as something different than a regular show.

Seriously. Fuck this guy.

I enjoyed myself, but I can see where you're coming from. One question, where were you standing? If you were anywhere near front & center, you probably weren't hearing the PA mix. I was three people back just left of front, and most of what I could hear was Billy's guitar through his monitor speaker. I could barely hear Jeff or any backing vocals.

I was standing in front of Ginger about 2nd row in the yellow liberty head shirt, so I think we probably shared a similar sound experience...unfortunately. I will definitely try a different spot next show.

Smashing Pumpkins reunite, in name only
Aidin Vaziri, Chronicle Pop Music Critic

Monday, July 16, 2007


(07-16) 12:27 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- If you squinted long and hard enough on Sunday, you might think you were watching an actual reunion of the Smashing Pumpkins, the unrepentant arena-rock act that sold millions of albums in the 1990s. In reality, it was just a passable crew of look-alikes frontman Billy Corgan had pulled together with the group's original drummer, Jimmy Chamberlain, for the first of an 11-night run at the Fillmore. He even made sure their hair color matched the originals'.

After recording a solo album two years ago that was met with even more indifference than his first post-Pumpkins project, Zwan (both of which, incidentally, also featured Chamberlain), Corgan announced his intention to revive the group with a full-page ad in the Chicago Tribune: "I want my band back, and my songs, and my dreams." At least in name, he did. Guitarist James Iha and bassist D'Arcy Wretzky were either not invited or turned down the offer to relive past glories.

Some have suggested that Corgan just wants his old bank balance. Never mind that the depleted lineup for this reunion allows him to cut the staff salaries in half. Using a familiar brand to play in one city for two weeks seems like a great way to save on gas money.

The Smashing Pumpkins' comeback album, "Zeitgeist," meanwhile, arrived in stores last week with different bonus tracks for different retailers, meaning fans had to buy four versions of the LP if they wanted to hear all the new songs. That's one way to make sure it gets past Hannah Montana on the charts.

That didn't deter the hardcore fans from the Fillmore. Some even paid hundreds of dollars for tickets on Craigslist, which left very little for the $80 hoodies at the merchandise counter.

The band compensated by trudging through a three-hour-plus set on Sunday (and well into Monday) that *******d many of its most rare and popular songs but few of its actual best. Several of the tunes were saddled with long-winded guitar solos that not only stretched them beyond recognition but made them feel interchangeable.

Given that the Pumpkins made it through only three songs in the first half-hour, you had to wonder whether Corgan was actually being incredibly generous or just punishing all the people who'd yelled out for his old band's hits during his solo tour.

With his cleanly shaved head, white uniform and blank stare, the singer looked a bit like a mad scientist from some '40s horror movie. Playing against the backdrop of an electric cage (yes, despite all his rage) only confirmed the impression. "I'm not tuned into the zeitgeist tonight," he said early on. But that didn't stop him.

The new songs tried hard to capture the spirit of the old songs. Mostly, though, tracks like "Tarantula" and "Doomsday Clock" felt too restrained, too well oiled to compete with the simple angst of the band's best material.

Still, despite the lack of recognizable tunes, the first hour of the concert felt like an event. The second, built around a bland but pretty acoustic interlude and the airing of high school staples like "Disarm" and "Bullet With Butterfly Wings," was compelling enough to stand through. Watching Chamberlin bash the drums on the old songs alone seemed to justify pulling the name out of cold storage.

The third hour and beyond, however, were frankly wretched, as Corgan and company slogged through a completely joyless dirge that incessantly played on the Pumpkins' infamous loud-quiet-loud dynamic. At one point it looked as if the band itself -- with new recruits guitarist Jeff Schroeder, bassist Ginger Reyes and keyboardist Lisa Harriton -- was ready to nod off.

By midnight the lobby of the Fillmore was just as crowded as the main floor. About an hour later, with no end in sight to the infernal jamming onstage, the singer came up for air to taunt in his most nasally register, "You ain't going anywhere! You ain't going anywhere! You ain't going anywhere!"

It seemed like a challenge too good to pass up. It's quite possible the Smashing Pumpkins -- in one form or another -- are still playing the same horrible funeral hymn at this very moment.

E-mail Aidin Vaziri at avaziri@sfchronicle.com.

The reviewer probably wore a hat and was protecting his girlfriend from all the people trying to actually move about and bang their heads.

There was this really tall 6' 8" guy at the concert and there was a good four feet of space behind him since no one could see over him.

It was more like two feet and I can't help my height... ;) I tried to let a few peeps in front to lessen the effect, but sadly my only other option is to stand in the back which makes no sense when you wait 12 hours to get in.

FYI I wasn't particularly impressed with the show...IMO Zwan and the solo gigs were better.

it seemed that asheville was very welcoming. i wonder if the negative press in sf will make bill act like a little bitch.

uuuh... I like how the reviewer doesn't mention the fact that the tickets were $25 on ticketmaster and that Jeff is a freaking brilliant guitarist.

Screw them.

At one point it looked as if the band itself -- with new recruits guitarist Jeff Schroeder, bassist Ginger Reyes and keyboardist Lisa Harriton -- was ready to nod off.

The soundboard guy actually did nod off until a drunk guy yelled "wake up!"

yeah i was thinking that too, he's painting a picture of price gouging, but the tickets are very reasonable. and i really don't think that "fans need to buy all 4 versions to hear the songs" argument holds any weight these days.

Jeff is a freaking brilliant guitarist.
He's turned down so low that you can't even hear him play half the time.

yeah i was thinking that too, he's painting a picture of price gouging, but the tickets are very reasonable. and i really don't think that "fans need to buy all 4 versions to hear the songs" argument holds any weight these days.

forgot to mention that Billy said at one point "Thanks to the 7 of you that bought Zeitgeist" without cracking a smile.. and the girl next to me yelled out angrily "I bought 4 copies!"

man, that guy. he's upset with the masses for their indifference, but he takes it out on his fans. at the poetry reading thing in 2004 he made some "woe is me" comment about how no one liked adore and dozens of people in the room shouted "i love it" or "it's a masterpiece" and he just dismissed that and referred to album sales.

like the 1,000 or so people at the fillmore who got tickets in the 20 seconds before they sold out need to be unloaded on. they're the ones who've stuck around when no one else gives a hoot

It's a shame, some people here seemed to believe that all these residency shows were going to be "Rarities & B-Sides" shows.

And he sulks off with 1 encore...WTF!? The lights went down again and I suppose he just decided the people there didn't give what they could for him. What a guy...

man, that guy. he's upset with the masses for their indifference, but he takes it out on his fans. at the poetry reading thing in 2004 he made some "woe is me" comment about how no one liked adore and dozens of people in the room shouted "i love it" or "it's a masterpiece" and he just dismissed that and referred to album sales.

like the 1,000 or so people at the fillmore who got tickets in the 20 seconds before they sold out need to be unloaded on. they're the ones who've stuck around when no one else gives a hoot

I agree with this, generally, that Billy doesn't make it clear...that he doesn't differentiate sharply between people who show up and people who don't, between loyal fans and the people who stopped watching in '98 because Adore didn't "rock". Then again, he can't help but notice when the hits get a much larger response than the later songs. I think the crowds at these shows have both groups - and so he says both things, he gets angry at the crowd and praises the crowd, often in the same show. Maybe he is figuring that if what he says is meant for you, you'll know it, and if it's not you'll know that too.

here's a good article about last night's show:

http://www.calendarlive.com/music/la-et-pumpkins17jul17,0,5304900.story?coll=cl-music-features

Smashing Pumpkins play first West Coast show in seven years

The re-formed group plays a three hour show.

Jul 7, 2007
By Richard Cromelin, Times Staff Writer


SAN FRANCISCO — Only half of the band's original members are in the reconstituted Smashing Pumpkins, and the group's new album doesn't sound a lot like its old ones, but a capacity crowd got the full-spectrum Pumpkins experience — challenging, indulgent, celestial, meandering — at the Fillmore Auditorium here, where the predominant alt-rock band of the 1990s played its first West Coast concert since 2000 on Sunday.

The end of the seven-year hiatus came in the form of a three-hour show packed with the kind of dynamics — if not the dramatics — associated with singer-guitarist Billy Corgan, who peppered the set with Pumpkins staples, including "Today," "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" and "Disarm," yet never allowed nostalgia to become the point.

There were too many new songs and Pumpkins obscurities for that, and the musicians played everything with an enveloping, epic force that demanded full and immediate attention.

Leaving guitarist James Iha and bassist D'arcy Wretzky behind, Corgan and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin are the only holdovers, a creative core that continued to work together on other projects, including Zwan and the Jimmy Chamberlin Complex, after the Pumpkins disbanded amid personal tensions in 2000.

But a different dynamic clearly kicks in when the Pumpkins are revived, and while the new album, "Zeitgeist" — which they recorded together before hiring guitarist Jeff Schroeder, bassist Ginger Reyes and keyboardist Lisa Harriton as their new bandmates — might not feature their most eloquent songwriting, its metal-edged rock power links it to the Pumpkins' past while turning the music in a new direction.

Though the Chicago-based group was always identified with independent or alternative rock, there was a lot of mainstream and progressive music in its makeup, and Corgan clearly still loves the grandeur of arena rock. Pushed by Chamberlin's distinctive, assertive drumming, he spent much of Sunday's set unfurling long solos — some lyrical, some slashing and ragged.

But he also values rock's spirit of experimentation, and there were times when the band seemed to be saluting the musical liberation that was generated in this shrine of psychedelia during the Summer of Love, which is now getting a big run on its 40th anniversary. Corgan and company dropped in a bit of the Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit," and during the encore he and Schroeder interlocked on a stratospheric spiral, while Harriton inserted some Doors-like keyboard lines.

With the emphasis firmly on the music, Corgan seemed less interested in playing the messianic misfit rock hero, a role he occupied the first time around and one that has been assumed by such prominent members of the younger generation as Gerard Way of My Chemical Romance.

Strikingly tall, head shaved, dressed in white with dark bands on his long sleeves, Corgan looked like a Dr. Seuss version of Nosferatu, and most of his few remarks were offhand and jokey.

"Welcome to our band practice," he said with a laugh after a momentary onstage glitch. Later, possibly noting the crowd's response to the new album, he sarcastically thanked "the seven of you who have actually bought it."

Actually, a bit more of that petulance, or any kind of vivid emotion, would have been welcome. This new lineup might have musical possibilities, but it doesn't have much chemistry or personality onstage yet, and there was very little interaction among the players.

Corgan and Chamberlin, positioned close together and united by the lighting and their white outfits, seemed to dwarf their new partners, who filled their roles without asserting themselves or challenging the status quo. That's one reason that things tended to get repetitive, despite the fairly varied repertoire.

The sold-out series of 11 Fillmore shows, which ends Aug. 1, is the band's second U.S. residency following a run in North Carolina. A full-fledged tour starts soon. No Los Angeles shows have been announced, though there are open dates before and after their Sept. 9 concert in San Diego.

Bad gig review from Rolling Stone too: http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/07/16/smashing-pumpkins-focus-on-today-at-opening-night-gig/

Same complaints -- self indulgent, lack of band cohesion, etc.

Were there a lot of fans with extra tix in line?

He's turned down so low that you can't even hear him play half the time.

Nu-uuuh.

Yeah, Billy seems like a bit of a baby sometimes. I don't think he realizes how many people freaking worship him. I mean, look at how fast shows are selling out!

Bleh.

Most of the time I think he's just kidding around. But sometimes I wonder.

god if these setlists dont get better I am not going to make the trip out to SF to the show on the 24th


also, who the fuck is he bad mouth his fans? at a concert that sold out in seconds? I didn't even like the album but I bought a copy anyway just out of respect. If I had heard that statement before 7/10 I would have saved the hard earned cash and spent it on something I would actually enjoy. I mean seriously. How fucking egotistical do you have to be to talk shit to the people who made you famous? Oh poor billy doesnt have millions of people slobbering over him anymore, poor billy only has a small dedicated following, poor billy. he would probably be selling hotdogs outside of some chicago landmark if it wernt for some of the people attending that show.

ok dudes im leaving work and then to dinner, and afterward to the show! maybe i'll see some of you cats there. monte, i'll refrain from interrupting your taping!

later

here's a good article about last night's show:

http://www.calendarlive.com/music/la-et-pumpkins17jul17,0,5304900.story?coll=cl-music-features

Smashing Pumpkins play first West Coast show in seven years

The re-formed group plays a three hour show.

Jul 7, 2007
By Richard Cromelin, Times Staff Writer

SAN FRANCISCO — ...Actually, a bit more of that petulance, or any kind of vivid emotion, would have been welcome.

MORE PETULANCE! Amen.

...only half of the band's original members are in the reconstituted Smashing Pumpkins...

i love these reviews that refer to the new smashing pumpkins as "reconstituted". as if the smashing pumpkins were dehydrated, powdered...and then someone added hot water to them and stirred them up in a pan.