So WTF happened with this show? There was supposed to be a pre-sale for this, but now it says "Currently not on sale".

Additional Information:
This event will be moving to a different venue - New venue and Onsale date is TBA

Well they had chosen a shitty venue to begin with. Let's hope they don't go to Coors, because they won't come close to a sellout. Humphrey's By the Bay would be good, or even Sports Arena.

Well they had chosen a shitty venue to begin with. Let's hope they don't go to Coors, because they won't come close to a sellout. Humphrey's By the Bay would be good, or even Sports Arena.
I fucking hate Coors Amphitheater. Cox Arena would be good unless they're set on an outdoor venue.

They're probably vying for the SDSU outdoor amphitheater like in '00... that place is nice, but I hate the lack of GA... so sparse.

I'm all for embarcadero - cool location, and you really don't have to pay if you don't want to be close.

Well they had chosen a shitty venue to begin with. Let's hope they don't go to Coors, because they won't come close to a sellout. Humphrey's By the Bay would be good, or even Sports Arena.

I don't know what you're talking about. I saw Radiohead at the Embarcadero last year and it was great - a beautiful venue literally on the water (people were pulling up in their boats alongside to watch the show). And it's all GA, which means the closest "seats" go to the fans who arrive early, not the contest winners or moneybags who have $150 to blow on a single ticket.

In fact, now that the venue is changing, I may skip San Diego altogether and hope for a closer show (i.e. LA).

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/news_1308

July 12, 2007 - Phoenix and San Diego

Just to keep a lot of people from freaking out, the Phoenix and San Diego shows had some last minute changes and will be available soon. They did not "vanish" forever. Stay tuned, they will eventually be available for presale.

Yeah, i read that. Still wish we KNEW when the pre-sale is going to happen. I hope they give us a heads up.

Yeah, i read that. Still wish we KNEW when the pre-sale is going to happen. I hope they give us a heads up.

yeah no kidding.. the way that message is written, the presale could just suddenly happen tonight or tomorrow, or in 2 weeks.. like people are going to keep refreshing ticketmaster just in case?

yeah no kidding.. the way that message is written, the presale could just suddenly happen tonight or tomorrow, or in 2 weeks.. like people are going to keep refreshing ticketmaster just in case?

My point exactly.

you could always get the san diego tickets on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-San-Diego-Marina-Embarcadero_W0QQitemZ270144254020QQihZ017QQcategor yZ16122QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hey, wait a second...

Thats a joke right?

Thats a joke right?

scalpers frequently post an auction in anticipation before tix go on sale.. assuming that they'll be able to get them.. if someone happens to bid, but they don't get tix, they just cancel the auction or refund the money of the bidder

Ahhh got ya. Wouldn't the joke be on all of us, if that WAS the venue they were playing, and they just decided to not do the pre-sale.

I know that won't happen, but that would of sucked.

The way things are going (no updates really)...I wouldn't be surprised if the general sale and pre-sale won't be till next week.

I don't know what you're talking about. I saw Radiohead at the Embarcadero last year and it was great - a beautiful venue literally on the water (people were pulling up in their boats alongside to watch the show). And it's all GA, which means the closest "seats" go to the fans who arrive early, not the contest winners or moneybags who have $150 to blow on a single ticket.

In fact, now that the venue is changing, I may skip San Diego altogether and hope for a closer show (i.e. LA).
It's in the ghetto and the acoustics are fucking terrible. Humphrey's By the Bay is much better acoustically, and also on the water.

Just to keep you guys updated:

I got a response back from Apple, and they said that we can get a refund for ordering Zeitgeist, should our passwords not be valid later. He wouldn't really give me any details, so at this point...i'm guessing our itunes passwords will still work should they do a pre-sale for the new venue.

Just in case they don't do a pre-sale, keep in mind you can get a refund at this point.

Just to keep you guys updated:

I got a response back from Apple, and they said that we can get a refund for ordering Zeitgeist, should our passwords not be valid later. He wouldn't really give me any details, so at this point...i'm guessing our itunes passwords will still work should they do a pre-sale for the new venue.

Just in case they don't do a pre-sale, keep in mind you can get a refund at this point.

That's weird - I also got a response from iTunes today, though they told me they had no control over anything and I would have to go through Ticketmaster (who of course told me the other day they too could do nothing). Maybe I emailed the wrong department? Did he tell you exactly HOW we could get a refund if our passwords don't work?

Heres the message I got:

Dear ********,

I understand that the Smashing Pumpkins show in San Diego has been temporarily postponed. I know how frustrating this must be, especially since that's the only show you might get to attend. I am really sorry that this has happened, and even more deeply apologetic that there is nothing I can do to rectify the situation. I am going to turn you over to some links that you can use to contact Ticketmaster. They will be able to answer your questions more effectively and may even be able to provide a solution.

* I realize you preordered the album with the hope of seeing them live in concert. If you would still like to be refunded for the album, please respond with this request. *


Now here is some information for getting in touch with Ticketmaster. They want it to be clear that tickets and seating are not guaranteed and are governed by Ticketmaster terms:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/h/purchase.html

Please check back at Ticketmaster.com for updates and additional Pre-Sale dates. To get your tickets, simply go to the Ticketmaster.com website.

Ticketmaster U.S. venues:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/smashingpumpkins

*** For technical issues with the code or the Ticketmaster website, please contact Ticketmaster:

Ticketmaster U.S. customer service:
http://www.ticketmaster.com/h/help.html?tm_link=tm_home_i_help

If there is nothing that can be done to get you in the San Diego show, please try to see if you can make arrangements to see them in another city. I would hate to see you have to miss out on this opportunity.

Please respond to this email so that I know whether you are requesting a refund and if there's anything else I can do to possibly make you feel better about this unfortunate situation. You are a valued iTunes Store customer and I want you to be satisfied.

Sincerely,

Ryan
iTunes Store Customer Support
http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/ww

So..I guess I just have to respond back to him, and he will give me a refund. LOL in all honesty, apple seems to be unorganized.


Fn A :(

Do tickets go on sale tomorrow after all or not? I know they are or have changed the venue, but anyone have any news on when the tickets will be for sale tomorrow? Any pre-sale for the show?

Do tickets go on sale tomorrow after all or not? I know they are or have changed the venue, but anyone have any news on when the tickets will be for sale tomorrow? Any pre-sale for the show?

no news on when tix are on sale, no pre-sale.. might want to check ticketmaster at 10am just in case, since thats when everything else is going on sale.. maybe they'll get their act together and figure out where the show is going to be by then

actually, itunes claims we can still use our code for this show, so that makes it seem like there will have to be a pre-sale.. so they will likely just save it until the next batch of dates go on sale, whenever that is

^^ Thanks for the info. I will try at 10am just to make sure....

more info in this thread in the tour forum

http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=145761

CORGAN DOES NOT RULE. ODOYLE RULES.

That means I can't see them at the convention center for free

Corgan does rule.....and so do I!

You know O'doyle I think something really bad is going to happen to you and your family.

SAN DIMAS HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!

So..I guess I just have to respond back to him, and he will give me a refund. LOL in all honesty, apple seems to be unorganized.


Fn A :(

Yeah, wow, he sounds super apologetic, whereas the person I talked to pretty much washed their hands of the whole deal. Still I won't think about getting a refund until I know for sure I'm not getting SD tickets...

Wasn't able to find anything on this here. Is there any confirmation of a show on Sept. 19?

Thanks

pollstar says
Wed 09/19/07 San Diego, CA TBA

here is the promoter's contact page if you want to ask them.. I just did
http://www.viejasentertainment.com/contact.php

any news?

doesnt seem like it...
viejas was bought out or something and a new promoter is running things and hasnt changed the venue yet

hopefully we will see something soon...i want to put my ticketmaster presale password to use

lol i wish the damn presale woulda sent the damn passcode.

What the fuck happened to it? The past week and a half or so it was saying on ticketmaster that they were changing venues and that they were not on sale yet. Now they're saying they are not selling them at all! Wthat's going on? Anybody know?

I really want to know aswell.

the promoter was bought up by another...so there is an issue as to where alot of the concerts are going to be. i got white stripes from the same promoter and they changed the venues since i bought tix...pumpkins tix are still gonna come but they dont know where or when

i got a passcode...but i mean, it hardly matters til they set a date

The White Stripes just moved their show as well.. (They were playing at the same venue as SP the day before SP).. from their myspace:

Due to noise restrictions and concern from local residents, the venue for the WHITE STRIPES has now changed for the gig in San Diego on September 18th. This show will now take place at Coors Amphitheatre where seating will now be general admission and all tickets purchased for The Embarcadero will be honored at this new venue. Apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused our fans.

Maybe that's where SP will head also? SP in San Diego is now totally gone from ticketmaster.. but pollstar still shows 9/19 TBA san diego at least

The White Stripes just moved their show as well.. (They were playing at the same venue as SP the day before SP).. from their myspace:

Due to noise restrictions and concern from local residents, the venue for the WHITE STRIPES has now changed for the gig in San Diego on September 18th. This show will now take place at Coors Amphitheatre where seating will now be general admission and all tickets purchased for The Embarcadero will be honored at this new venue. Apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused our fans.

Maybe that's where SP will head also? SP in San Diego is now totally gone from ticketmaster.. but pollstar still shows 9/19 TBA san diego at least


yeah i got white stripes tickets for the 18th...Initially i thought i was going to have one bad ass week by seeing TWS and SP one day after the other, but that looks bleak now. I kind of hope SP goes to SOMA or Cox Arena. Now that the residency shows are almost over though i think SOMA is out of the question.

What's the passcode? The show's on my birthday... I'd love to go.

well i cant really give it to you, as you can only buy 4 tickets with it...

I will however, offer you the chance to be part of my 4 if you'd like

Well it's offically up.

It's on ticket master now at some air thearter at uc san diego.
52 bucks

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0A003EF9D33274A1?artistid=736143&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60


Thiers all the info

Does anyone know about this place?

Is thier a pit, or is it fuck'n seating.

What's the deal with the regular sale date. Are they seriously not putting tickets on sale until the day of the show?

What's the deal with the regular sale date. Are they seriously not putting tickets on sale until the day of the show?

wow, that has to be a typo.. the pumpkins cannot be that confident in their ability to sell out a venue of that size on the same day

looks like it's not GA to me http://www.ticketmaster.com/seatingchart/81968/2217
Aztec Ticket Office: (619) 594-6947

It doesn't look that big to me looks like the greek theater in LA which sonic youth eaisly sold out so im assuiming the pumpkins can and will.

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tickets on sale that day..i think it might sell out. i know i had to go to a couple different stores to get the cd. there is a pretty big fanbase down here.

thank god i have a presale password.

maybe they'll just release all the tickets for the iTunes presale.. but who knows how many people saved their code

lol too bad my freinds never came.

maybe they'll just release all the tickets for the iTunes presale.. but who knows how many people saved their code

God, I hate iTunes.

i have my code and im using it for 2 tickets...i can get up to 4...any takers? the presale is thursday

why does your aim link not work

live nation shows the public on sale as saturday 8/4 at 10am.. now that makes sense

http://www.livenation.com/event/getEvent/eventId/293754/

why does your aim link not work

i guess cuz i wasn't online...email me at bltjapan@hotmail.com

i can reply to that all night...where would you be coming from?

http://as.sdsu.edu/cox_arena/oat_a2z.html

I'd be comin from cypress CA which is in orange county

How did you guys get the presale code?

had to preorder the album from itunes

Hey, anyone who will have two of his/her four tickets available, please let me know ASAP. :) I'd like to get two. We can set up a PayPal transfer, or I can have someone meet you with cash, or whatever.

Me too, I need two tickets... PLEASE

Hey, anyone who will have two of his/her four tickets available, please let me know ASAP. :) I'd like to get two. We can set up a PayPal transfer, or I can have someone meet you with cash, or whatever.

One of my friends might not end up going which would leave me with two extra. I will find out tonight and let you know. Otherwise anyone who needs one presale ticket let me know.

well if gpub doesnt reply, ive got two again (thought they were going to be bought...)

Need a paypal before thursday morning

I'm in

public on sale date has been corrected to sat 8/4 at 10am

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0A003EF9D33274A1?artistid=736143&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60

gpub bought my tix...
on a related note...paypal is pretty cool.

you're gonna have to keep my cell gpub, so we can meet up

52 DOLLARS!?

<b style="font-size:222px;">FUCK
THAT</b>

52 DOLLARS!?

<b style="font-size:222px;">FUCK
THAT</b>


that is what an IHA man would say, vice a pumpkins man : )

No sir, this is what someone who paid 20 dollars to see them would say.

No sir, this is what someone who paid 20 dollars to see them would say.


i did..and drove 12 hours to san fran...which was 150 in gas...we should be thankful

Ok boys and girls, who here is trying for these tickets this morning?

What the fuck? I got awful seats, fuck.

just for kicks I tried to see what my Password would get me..

tried for 4 tickets: got the nosebleed section
tried for 2 tickets: got the middle section
tried for 1 ticket: got the middle section

maybe if I had tried for only 2 tickets immediately I would have gotten the orchestra? these iTunes presales are so strange.. sometimes the seats you can get are worse than what you can get in the public onsale...

My seats were shit, too, so I gave them up and tried again. After three or four tries I scored fourth row in the second section back which I figured was the best I'd get. I'll try again Saturday, of course, but for now I just wanted to make sure I had tickets.

Fuck I got two in the nosebleeds and I was on there on the dot, if I can get better on Saturday I'll just sell my current ones face value on here or something.

Now I tried again and got AA yipee!

theyre sellin the crap tix first. i've managed to go from far back in A to front of CC. either way, it aint the front triple letter area...

edit: has ticketmaster crashed for everyone else now as well?

I haven't bothered going on it since I got good seats, I got the same deal as luciddream33, 4 rows back section behind. That's still really good though, right behind the pit, even though I would prefer the pit.

does anyone happen to have 2 tickets left on their presale password they would be willing to share? i would really appreciate the help. i dont really care where the tickets are i just want to get 2 tickets for myself and a friend who is dying to see them. i saw them back on the melloncollie tour in 96 or so back in florida, but she has never seen them and i am trying really hard to get her to the show. plus it might help me out in the relationship area which isnt going so well right now. for anyone that can provide me with a working pass to get tickets or even 2 tickets at face value (maybe a little more) i will be willing to trade you a free print or original piece of artwork. i am a toy designer and illustrator in the los angeles area and you can visit my website at http://www.wonderingart.com

please help me out on this i am begging. i will hopefully be trying on saturday, but i know it is going to be harder to obtain tickets then than they are now.

i thank anyone willing to help me out and really appreciate it. if you would like to email me my email is keith@wonderingart.com or keith.noordzy@gmail.com

oh yeah i guess i should ask this now before others start...if i am not able to obtain tickets today or saturday would anyone that gets an extra pair mind selling them to me?

well i got my tickets..kind of far back but i talked to a couple people who said its not a big place anyway, small actually. they said cox arena is alot bigger and cox isnt even to huge of an arena. i wont get spoiled like i did at fillmore, but i dont think there is any "bad" tickets

You should try again if you only bought 2, it worked for me I got better tickets, will just return the shitty ones to the venue or sell them face value on eBay.

well...i bought 4. i wasnt too worried about it though. as long as i get to go.

I hate how it's not General Admission. Whatever happened to the good old days of fans getting to line up early for a good spot on the floor?

Thank you Amy. i got 2 tickets and really appreciate your help. i emailed you.

Terrace
Sec AA H 90-92

pretty far to the edge but again its better than not going.

I thought presale passwords meant access to better tickets...???

After about a million attempts this morning (and getting my IP address banned from Ticketbastard, twice), I got section AA, row F, seats 64 and 66.

If these sound good for you, let me know (I will sell for face value) because I'm going to try to get pit tickets on Saturday... any tips for that??

You shouldn't put all of your eggs in one basket on getting pit tickets.

2 in the pit :) (CCC and AAA). Not next to each other, but I remember in 2000 that it didn't matter since everyone left their seats anyway.

^ did you get those right at 10am?

LUCKY FUCK. I went on at 10 and didn't get pit!

Edit: Actually you just said separate sections, I wouldn't want to risk that.

I hate how it's not General Admission. Whatever happened to the good old days of fans getting to line up early for a good spot on the floor?
I know. I was all ready to get to the embarcadero early and they change the venue. Then I get semi crappy seats. I'll try again on sat.
No prob, Kamikaze.
Anyone know how many people this place holds? I looked on the site. Is it Greek theatre in LA size? Probably bigger.

Just kept trying for one at a time and got two in the pit. It's so random, this happened for Vegas as well. I got 2 GA Pit for that.

I thought presale passwords meant access to better tickets...???

After about a million attempts this morning (and getting my IP address banned from Ticketbastard, twice), I got section AA, row F, seats 64 and 66.

If these sound good for you, let me know (I will sell for face value) because I'm going to try to get pit tickets on Saturday... any tips for that??

STACY, I PRIVATE MESSAGED YOU!

I'm late to the party. Didn't bother with the iTunes presale since I prefer my music in physical format.

Anyway -- does anyone else have a presale code and have no use for 2 extra tickets? I'm looking for 2 tickets for my gf and I. I'm in Irvine (OC) & will be driving down.

Tix go on sale tommrow dude you should just buy em then

That's indeed the plan. :)

Figured I'd ask, in case there were some hanging around.

So I'm guessing they make you actually sit in your seat at this one?

yeah its all seats

hmm no pit available, once again

Managed to get 2 pair. Only need one pair. Anyone want the second set? Face value of course.

Seat location: section B, row F, seats 98-100
Total Charge: US $ 129.70

this is crap. the tix showing up today are even worse than on presale

I got section bb row p, I hope its not too bad of a seat.

BB aint bad, but its not great. if you dont get the pit, you'll be disappointed. maybe i have high standards, but i've been there enough times to know that it just isn't the same if you aren't in the pit area. i wound up with AA which i got on presale... the best i could find today was D which is even worse. weak

obscured, you're exactly right - I had the DD or something in 2000 and was thinking they'd be amazing tickets - not quite.

Anyways - it's 11:20, and I'm still trying. I'll get double letter sections every few shots, and then it's back to the back row area again. So hit and miss.

Damnit. The show's on my birthday, and no good seats are coming up for me. :(

Anyone have an extra ticket in a good seat that I can buy? I'm going to be so disappointed if this doesn't work out for me...

...or a pair? My brother just said he'd want to go with me and help me pay as a birthday present.

A pair of tickets in the pit section anyone? I'll pay more than face value.

i kept trying to better my tickets from the presale this morning. i was on right at 10 and pulled up DD which is where my presale ones were. i kept trying and it kept going back and forth from the single letter areas back down to the double letter area occasionally. i had a set come up that were a little better than the ones i had, but i held off. right about 10:45 i had section CC row E seats 5-7. right dead center to the stage only 5 rows up in the second area. needless to say i bought those. figured i wouldnt get pit (since i saw a whole handful up on scalper sites) but i am more than happy with what i ended up with.

interesting it hasn't sold out.. i thought socal was pumpkin starved, but i guess not

I'm going to give a most likely false generalization, but it seems to me people in san diego don't care about music, their life revolves around being as lazy as possible while still being able to afford to surf.

It'd sell out La real quick i assume.

Though pearl jam the last time around didnt sell ou till the day of the show.

I think if avril opend it'd be a whole diff story

I'm going to give a most likely false generalization, but it seems to me people in san diego don't care about music, their life revolves around being as lazy as possible while still being able to afford to surf.

hey now, you don't have to go on and stereotype people like that. that's not cool at all...

...even though you're right. no one cares about anything here in san diego except themselves. and a lot of those people just happen to like surfing. i've lived here long enough to see it first-hand.

interesting it hasn't sold out.. i thought socal was pumpkin starved, but i guess not

a lot of people i know here are foaming out the mouth just thinking about this show. i'm pumpkin starved as are they. however, i get the impression from most other people (acquaintances, coworkers, etc) that most people just don't really care enough about the pumpkins to go see em in concert.

i think ive been banned from the ticketmaster website. after i got my tickets this morning the site just stopped working for me. i get an error page saying it timed out. had a friend try it and it worked for him. i got a confirmation email, but i want to get into the "my ticket" section or whatever its called just to make sure everything is ok with it.

anyone have a number for ticketmaster?

^ (619) 220-8497

they just posted the san diego date on SP.COM and people are upset that they didn't post it until after they went on sale.. maybe people don't even know about it, that could be the problem.. has 91x been promoting it?

Another Irvine Pumpkin fan!

^ (619) 220-8497

they just posted the san diego date on SP.COM and people are upset that they didn't post it until after they went on sale.. maybe people don't even know about it, that could be the problem.. has 91x been promoting it?

thank you for the number. just called and used the automated thing with my order number. they were there so i should be ok.

^ (619) 220-8497

they just posted the san diego date on SP.COM and people are upset that they didn't post it until after they went on sale.. maybe people don't even know about it, that could be the problem.. has 91x been promoting it?

maybe that's why it was so easy to get tickets. hooray for not promoting :D

Another Irvine Pumpkin fan!

Confused here... who said anything about Irvine? Who's from Irvine here? That's my home town!

No one *said* anything about Irvine, but someone did notice that my current place of residence is Irvine. :)

A shout out to those of you that have ties to Irvine.

woo hoo, im excited!!! i was totally spoiled in san fran, but that was a long drive and expensive with gas and hotel so i dont mind paying extra for these since i go to SDSU and i have class that night and can walk right over after and just grab a seat. yay.

and the place isn't big, nice open atmosphere :)

^ (619) 220-8497

they just posted the san diego date on SP.COM and people are upset that they didn't post it until after they went on sale.. maybe people don't even know about it, that could be the problem.. has 91x been promoting it?
No, there's been no promotion until after they went on sale because of the venue change

fuck this band

i think my boyfriend said he heard it being promoted on rock 105, that's how he found out about it.

rock 105 rocks. P1 army unite.

my only hope is that it does not rain.

nice, hey fellow P1 :)

so first question is..What is the definition of a P1? :)

a P1 is someone who turns down the radio, gets to the point, doesn't cuss and recruits more P1s :D

i heart sky, my boyfriend says im a beating :( haha

Has anybody been e-mailed their tickets yet? I still haven't been.

Has anybody been e-mailed their tickets yet? I still haven't been.

thats why for 2 dollars more, you print them. probably the best thing ticketmaster has goin for them

thats why for 2 dollars more, you print them. probably the best thing ticketmaster has goin for them

isn't that what WeilandFan is talking about? they email you a PDF of the tickets, and then you print them? but they haven't received the email yet.. usually the emails are pretty instantaneous, as i remember.. so you should probably call ticketmaster

isn't that what WeilandFan is talking about? they email you a PDF of the tickets, and then you print them? but they haven't received the email yet.. usually the emails are pretty instantaneous, as i remember.. so you should probably call ticketmaster


you dont get them emailed...theres a link in your ticketmaster account. it comes up as soon as you purchase them. always has. i guess there is an email, but you dont need the email to get the ticket. just log into ticketmaster and view your concert info and you will see it.

I know I did that but it said it's still processing the tickets. What happened was I bought two sets of tickets, first 2 shitty ones, then 2 better ones, they processed the shit ones but not the good ones.

thats why for 2 dollars more, you print them. probably the best thing ticketmaster has goin for them
haha, they charge you $2 MORE for you to print them out yourself

enjoy being ripped off by TM and the Pumpkins. They're not seeing a dime from me.

wtf.. I just tried to buy 4 tix on ticketmaster (checking if it is sold out yet).. and they offered me SRO tickets... "standing room only".. I've never heard of such tickets.. I'm tempted to call and ask where you stand with tickets like that... it would be awesome if you can stand in the pit.. haha

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ok I called them.. they said SRO is in the back row behind the garden seats.. I guess there is a cement area, not very big.. she was surprised they were offering those tickets now, I guess she didn't think it was going to sell out

my tickets have been printed and i should have them soon...woohoo

I e-mailed Ticketmaster and now I've got them, I think they do even numbered seating, strange. I'll either sell my other set of tickets (section D) online for what I paid for it or give it to one of those licensed scalpers to sell.

so who from OUTSIDE of cali is coming? and whos coming furthest...farthest?

I got my tickets in the mail on Wednesday.

ANYONE GOT PIT TICKETS THEY'D BE WILLING TO SELL/TRADE?

hump de bump

who's tapingggggg

So what happened? Good show? Was the Light Brought yet again?

Apparently the opener went on pretty early, like 7:00ish, and were done by 7:45. Doors at 6pm. My dad is there, no updates though I'm afraid.

So the crowd was lame (like all San Diego crowds) but the show was great. We got the new version of Ava Adore, which was not as metal as the circa 2000 version, but heavier than the Adore era version. That was the only surprise that I can think of.

Total time was about 2 hours 15 minutes.

Here's a setlist off the top of my head (I might be leaving something out):

SuperChrist
Doomsday Clock
Hummer (very surprised to hear this so soon in the set)
BWBW
That's The Way
Drown
Tonite, Tonight
Tarantula
GatGC (sooooo awesome to finally see this new version live!)
1979 (solo Billy acoustic)
To Shiela (full band)
United States
Ava Adore (sooo good!)
Starla
Heavy Metal Machine>On The Road Again
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Silverfuck
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Muzzle

you taped it ?
ava adore?
:)

Ava Adore!! Awesome!!

Overall, I was very pleased. I thought the band looked really into it. Billy was doing his "jesus moves" and seemed really into it. He was moving around a lot and obviously messed up a couple times, but I think it was because he was having so much fun.... The band has really gotten into a groove. They seem like they've been playing together for years.

I have to say that Lisa's solo in the middle of G&tGC was awesome in a different kinda way... she's totally not a virtuoso, but she has superb touch (I'd like her to touch me, but that's besides the point).

Silverfuck in its original form to begin with was so awesome. Billy and Jeff are amazing together.

One more observation... they weren't as loud as I remember the band being in the past! I don't know if its a new concert regulation to not have bands be too loud or it may have been the venue, which was the Open Air Theater at SDSU and the sound might have escaped as soon as it came out of the speakers? I dunno, but my ears aren't ringing, which I alwasy remember the Pumpkins being the loudest band I ever heard.

I'm slightly drunk off the red wine they served at the show. It was awesome and I never thought 7 years after seeing them in Chicago, the first time I see them again is in San Diego in 2007. Its surreal.

No taping for me. I'm was lowly trader at best, back in the day. I'm sure it'll surface... the sound was really good tonight. Really good, but not as loud as I would like, as I said, but I'm TOTALLY satisfied after 7 long years!

wow, thanx !!

Nice, they played the three songs i'm hoping to hear between the two WA shows. I'll keep my fingers crossed but I don't think I'll ever get to hear Muzzle live

loudest band I ever heard.

I'm slightly drunk off the red wine they served at the show. It was awesome and I never thought 7 years after seeing them in Chicago, the first time I see them again is in San Diego in 2007. Its surreal.
red wine... huh

Great to hear they dug up Ava Adore. One of my very favourites. If only we could get Eye and TEITBITE while they're at it..

WTF San Diego weaksauce!!!! I shoulda gone to this show, I had a ticket offered to me even ;)

http://www.blamonet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=119345

Silverfuck!!!!!!

7 years!!!! Congrats!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!

Review: http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?p=2966074#post2966074

^ AVA ADORE!!!

AVA ADORE????

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was there too. amazing show. you forgot to add bring the light and today to the setlist. those are the only other songs i can think of that are missing. anyhow, ava adore was a sweet surprise. it rocked hard. you may be right that it wasn't as metal, but i swear it was faster.

This was my first SP show and it was amazing... electric ava adore, silverfuck, was awesome. Billy looked like he was having a great time compared to some boots ive seen.. he was laughing a lot and he was rocking hard... good times

Yeah holy shit ava rocked. Great show met him and said Billy thanks for ava! and he replies yeah it's the first time we've played it since we got back.

He was answering questions like usually and someone said thanks for putt'n up audio downloads to the o site. He said Yeah it's a good way for people that don't have as much time as the hardcore fans to know what songs sounded like in other times. I can't remembr what he said but he said something along the lines of "the hardcore fans the ones that no everything are pretty snobbish and complain alot so this is a great way to show casual fans what the band sounded like before."

all in all a fuck'n amazing show. Silver fuck hummer Drown Starla Bring fourth the light Glass Ava adore great fuck'n set.

Open'n with super jesus was cool cuz i didn have to dread hearing it all night.
And omg they ended with muzzle i was so fuck'n happy i screamed like a fat girl at taco bell.
Can't wait till they come back.

I just got back from the show and yes Ava Adore finally. Great show. I was section DDD first row of seats. I was two people back from the barricade, it was sweet but the security were being dicks about taping. I got a set list from the board guy. Here's you go it's exactly what they played.

I just got back from the show and yes Ava Adore finally. Great show. I was section DDD first row of seats. I was two people back from the barricade, it was sweet but the security were being dicks about taping. I got a set list from the board guy. Here's you go it's exactly what they played.

so were you able to tape?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggZ2WjX0-Z0

So Ava Adore being between United States and Drown, I'm going to assume it was the harder electric version of Ava Adore that was played.

Can you confirm?

the show rocked. there was really no bad seats. there was a hot girl trying to get down into the triple letter sections, but she was stumbling around all drunk.

anyway, silverfuck rocked. HMM did too.

it rocked hard. you may be right that it wasn't as metal, but i swear it was faster.

nice, thank you.

Total time was about 2 hours 15 minutes.

what? are they scaling back from the 3 hour shows?!

Fuck, I wished for them to play Ava Adore so bad while they were in Europe. Am pretty envious, but good that they're playing this classic nonetheless.

Very cool that they pulled Ava Adore out of the hat like that.

So Ava Adore being between United States and Drown, I'm going to assume it was the harder electric version of Ava Adore that was played.

Can you confirm?

Yes, I can confirm. It rocked hard, but like I said, not as "metal" sounding as the 2000 version. I actually liked this version better, only there was no extended jam at the end like the 2000 versions had, which was badass.

Thanks Obscured, yes, they played Bring The Light and Today, but I can't really remember where in the setlist they were.

I should have said, the Pumpkins WERE the loudest band I ever heard (apart from maybe Pantera) but this show was the quietest I've ever heard them.

Yes, they served Coors Light for $6 a cup and Red wine of some sorts that tasted pretty good. It was $5 a cup; much better deal. My wife got drunk and kept the rock show going for me when we got home, if ya know what I mean! :D

It's probably a good thing that the alcohol is so pricey because if it werent there may be quite alot more overly trashed patrons and that would not be a safe thing

to hear that they played ava adore really makes me excited for my next show!!

Great show last night! They tore it up big time!!

what? are they scaling back from the 3 hour shows?!

2:15 for a show is still very good. It was awesome!

Muzzle ruled last night too! They caught me off guard with that one for sure....

what? are they scaling back from the 3 hour shows?!

gossamer=3 hour show

I should have said, the Pumpkins WERE the loudest band I ever heard (apart from maybe Pantera) but this show was the quietest I've ever heard them.



Really? I haven't seen them yet...I will next month..but I was under the impression that their set was really loud..

I hope their set is heavier/louder than the time I saw them in 2000.

Here's my short review:



I flew down to Orange County for my birthday, which happened to be the 19th(the date of the San Diego show), so it all worked out great.

My friend and I had great, great seats in section BB, row 5. As someone already said, there really wasn't a bad seat in the place, but the BB section was perfect because it was elevated to the exact height of the stage in addition to it being in the center.

The crowd, I thought, was pretty good. Much better than L.A. crowds. They were surprisingly appreciative and loud when responding to the new songs, and when the old classics came out they roared. Guitar solos were cheered, the encore applause was consistent, and Billy even mentioned that he was humbled by the response all night.

The lighting rigs they used were just incredible... by far the best I've seen of any show I've ever been to. The programmed transitions worked very well with every song.

The sound was FANTASTIC. I say this because it wasn't, as someone has said already, as loud as shows of old. I'm not sure if it was the venue, or what, but I really enjoyed it this way because I could actually hear what Billy was singing!

The band seemed to be in really, really good moods. I was anxious about this because I had read that Billy stormed off stage from the Arizona show. At one point he specfically said that they had a lot of songs they wanted to play for us tonight, which was received well by the crowd. There was a decent amount of stage banter, too, which I hadn't read about from previous shows on this tour. The banter ranged from Billy just generally talking to the crowd about whatever, to Billy asking Ginger to speak Spanish again(which she eventually did much to the roar of the crowd), to making fun of Jeff by saying he had to leave early due to his Leer jet departing for L.A.(which drew boos from the crowd and subsequently made Billy laugh pretty hard). Billy laughed and smiled quite a bit compared to other shows I've seen or read about from this latest tour, and his screams were pretty long and passionate. He stuck around for quite a bit after the show waving to the crowd and smiling.

I enjoyed the setlist a lot. On first glance, it seems a bit short. But when you consider that a lot of those songs were really long jams, it's not really an issue. And besides, 19 songs is huge compared to most bands. Some small points of interest about the songs:

-Ava Adore was certainly an exciting surprise! The whole crowd roared. It was a lot more aggressive than years past... Jimmy's drumming was different in it and had a lot more attack and bite which made the song feel fresh. It started with a quiet intro, almost angelic, and then tore into the "IT'S YOU THAT I ADORE" part. The song also ended with the new angelic part. It was reworked quite well, and I hope they play it again when I see them up here in Washington for the Ridgefield show tomorrow.

-Heavy Metal Machine was just... jaw-dropping. It was extremely long, maybe the longest song of the night, which is saying something considering Silverfuck and United States were played. I really loved when he screamed "YOU THOUGHT I WASN'T COMING BACK? YOU DIDN'T KNOW ME AT ALL," or something to that effect. Really passionate screaming, and the whole band was moving their bodies to the music pretty aggressively.

-First time hearing Hummer live, and it was just as amazing as I could have wished for.

-Drown sounded much better than when I had heard it in 2000... in fact, the guitar tone for that song last night was just beautiful. Rich, clean and well performed.

-The crowd absolutely loved Tarantula... screamed throughout the whole thing, especially after the middle solo, which caused Billy to laugh quite a bit and walk up to the front of the stage and bow before going back behind the mic and starting the song up again.

-Doomsday clock sounds so much better live... it reminds me of Dross.

-The lighting for United States and Heavy Metal Machine was brilliant... just brilliant!

-Liz's keyboard effects during the long intro to Heavy Metal Machine are amazingly perfect. So, so much better than any one else they've ever had on keyboards in the past. I'm so glad she's in the band.

So yeah, really great show, and a really great birthday present to myself. I can't wait for Ridgefield tomorrow!

Reyngel, good points! I have to admit that part during Heavy Metal Machine towards the end when he was screaming, "You thought I wasn't coming back!?" and so on... was the best part of the song, easily a highlight of the night.

--1979 acoustic might have been the best part of the show. Billy didn't play much guitar near the end of the song, it was just him and us singing. Everyone knew the words and it gave me chills. I actually never heard that good of a sing-a-long at a Pumpkins' concert. Priceless

- Glass & the Ghost Children was my favorite "new song" (by a smidge). Its just sooooo amazing now. The opening is fuckin' funky as shit, the opening dual guitar solos are amazing, Lisa's solo was fresh in a "anti-Mike Garson" kinda way, which was not goth at all (good thing).... and the "And she counted the spiders" outro-part was so good, it was Drown-like in its heaviness and progression, but really, there's no words to describe it.

-Tarantula was leaps and bounds more awesome to me than I ever felt before. And yes, the whole crowd went CRAZY for this song. Especially during the Billy solo before the "real as any ghost" part.

-IMO, Doomsday Clock was lackluster and the crowd wasn't into it at all. ON THE OTHER HAND, the crowd loved Bring the Light, which I was surprised at.

-Seeing United States live was great. I have such a deep appreciation for this song as a real work of great musicianship. Jimmy is a god.

-Muzzle was perfect. Nuff said.

Ava adore??? damn...Wish I was in the US right now..and only for that reason..

New here. I have a ton of videos from this show and some have some good sound that I'm converting into mp3s if anyone would like them. I'll let you know what I have.

As everyone else has said, this was an awesome show and out of the 30 concerts or so I've been to this year it has stood out as the best. I was seat in the last seat stage right and still had a great vantage point

New here. I have a ton of videos from this show and some have some good sound that I'm converting into mp3s if anyone would like them. I'll let you know what I have.

As everyone else has said, this was an awesome show and out of the 30 concerts or so I've been to this year it has stood out as the best. I was seat in the last seat stage right and still had a great vantage point


Awesome! Did you get Ava Adore?? :D

Im down for it.

I'm looking through right now. So far I have Tonight Tonight, To Sheila, United States, and Today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awyu8lNYnH8
Just found this, short Ava Adore clip at 3:30.

Great to read all the positive reviews! I'm happy the crowd was into Tarantula... crowds these days need to get more into things, especially a killer song like that. The song is like a roller coaster, with the killer drumming and solos and changes in dynamics

Looks like I didn't get Ava. It was one of the videos that didn't save. Same thing happened with Silverfuck.

But the videos I did get (and you'll want the mp3s instead) are 1979, Bullet, Starla, Tonight Tonight, Today, To Sheila, and United States

But the videos I did get (and you'll want the mp3s instead) are 1979, Bullet, Starla, Tonight Tonight, Today, To Sheila, and United States

I'd rather see the videos than mp3s! Thanks

Put the mp3's on archive.org

Ava adore??? damn...Wish I was in the US right now..and only for that reason..

revolution!
revolution!
revolution blues
what will they do?
revolution!
revolution!
what will they do to you?

YUCK!!!
Ava Adore been given the Z treatment.. gross

YUCK!!!
Ava Adore been given the Z treatment.. gross

:rofl: billy loves to zeitgeist up the old stuff.. I was going to say you need to hear more than a few seconds.. but once I got to the zeitgeisty stuff I saw what you meant

YUCK!!!
Ava Adore been given the Z treatment.. gross



Allready complianing you haven't even seen them for time number 30 on this tour.

Here is the link to the MP3's from the videos on the Internet Archive. Uploading the actual vids right now, however probably won't get done until tonight.

Click here for MP3's (http://www.archive.org/details/SmashingPumpkins9-19-07)

Here's my short review:



I flew down to Orange County for my birthday, which happened to be the 19th(the date of the San Diego show), so it all worked out great.

My friend and I had great, great seats in section BB, row 5. As someone already said, there really wasn't a bad seat in the place, but the BB section was perfect because it was elevated to the exact height of the stage in addition to it being in the center.

The crowd, I thought, was pretty good. Much better than L.A. crowds. They were surprisingly appreciative and loud when responding to the new songs, and when the old classics came out they roared. Guitar solos were cheered, the encore applause was consistent, and Billy even mentioned that he was humbled by the response all night.

The lighting rigs they used were just incredible... by far the best I've seen of any show I've ever been to. The programmed transitions worked very well with every song.

The sound was FANTASTIC. I say this because it wasn't, as someone has said already, as loud as shows of old. I'm not sure if it was the venue, or what, but I really enjoyed it this way because I could actually hear what Billy was singing!

The band seemed to be in really, really good moods. I was anxious about this because I had read that Billy stormed off stage from the Arizona show. At one point he specfically said that they had a lot of songs they wanted to play for us tonight, which was received well by the crowd. There was a decent amount of stage banter, too, which I hadn't read about from previous shows on this tour. The banter ranged from Billy just generally talking to the crowd about whatever, to Billy asking Ginger to speak Spanish again(which she eventually did much to the roar of the crowd), to making fun of Jeff by saying he had to leave early due to his Leer jet departing for L.A.(which drew boos from the crowd and subsequently made Billy laugh pretty hard). Billy laughed and smiled quite a bit compared to other shows I've seen or read about from this latest tour, and his screams were pretty long and passionate. He stuck around for quite a bit after the show waving to the crowd and smiling.

I enjoyed the setlist a lot. On first glance, it seems a bit short. But when you consider that a lot of those songs were really long jams, it's not really an issue. And besides, 19 songs is huge compared to most bands. Some small points of interest about the songs:

-Ava Adore was certainly an exciting surprise! The whole crowd roared. It was a lot more aggressive than years past... Jimmy's drumming was different in it and had a lot more attack and bite which made the song feel fresh. It started with a quiet intro, almost angelic, and then tore into the "IT'S YOU THAT I ADORE" part. The song also ended with the new angelic part. It was reworked quite well, and I hope they play it again when I see them up here in Washington for the Ridgefield show tomorrow.

-Heavy Metal Machine was just... jaw-dropping. It was extremely long, maybe the longest song of the night, which is saying something considering Silverfuck and United States were played. I really loved when he screamed "YOU THOUGHT I WASN'T COMING BACK? YOU DIDN'T KNOW ME AT ALL," or something to that effect. Really passionate screaming, and the whole band was moving their bodies to the music pretty aggressively.

-First time hearing Hummer live, and it was just as amazing as I could have wished for.

-Drown sounded much better than when I had heard it in 2000... in fact, the guitar tone for that song last night was just beautiful. Rich, clean and well performed.

-The crowd absolutely loved Tarantula... screamed throughout the whole thing, especially after the middle solo, which caused Billy to laugh quite a bit and walk up to the front of the stage and bow before going back behind the mic and starting the song up again.

-Doomsday clock sounds so much better live... it reminds me of Dross.

-The lighting for United States and Heavy Metal Machine was brilliant... just brilliant!

-Liz's keyboard effects during the long intro to Heavy Metal Machine are amazingly perfect. So, so much better than any one else they've ever had on keyboards in the past. I'm so glad she's in the band.

So yeah, really great show, and a really great birthday present to myself. I can't wait for Ridgefield tomorrow!

I agree that the sound wasn't as loud as normal and the sound quality was amazing. I could hear every word clearly when he was singing. I felt that the sound quality was much better than it was the Fllmore.

Here's my short review:

I really loved when he screamed "YOU THOUGHT I WASN'T COMING BACK? YOU DIDN'T KNOW ME AT ALL," or something to that effect. Really passionate screaming, and the whole band was moving their bodies to the music pretty aggressively.


Heh, I love that bit. I like how he adlibs it a bit too from performance to performance. Enjoyed the boots I've heard where it ends in "But we all needed a little more cash.... NnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnNNNNNNEEEAAAOO!"

ugh! Bring the Light, Perfect, Ava!! This is awesome! I wonder what else they'll bust out before the Normal show!

Now that I say that I bet they won't play any of those three in Normal XD Oh well...

I'm so glad Billy seemed happy! wooo

EDIT: Just watched that little Ava Adore clip, and woah. Monte, you crazy! It sounded AWESOME!!

YUCK!!!
Ava Adore been given the Z treatment.. gross

When you hear it you won't say anything except, fuck yeah! The intro and outro was heavenly and the song rocked, IMO the greatest fusion of live Adore era version and any version with Jimmy. Plain and simple, its awesome.

The show was pretty awesome..mostly.

Drown <3
Ava Adore <3
Muzzle <3


But..I mean, no Zero, Disarm, Stand Inside Your Love or Cherub Rock!
I'd have taken either of those over that disgustingly boring Glass+The Ghost Children and whatever that awful rendition of Heavy Metal Machine was.

EDIT: What was the first song they played? At first, I thought it was like a shotened version of United States...not sure why.

Revamped Ava sounds pretty sweet, anyone got the full version?

EDIT: What was the first song they played? At first, I thought it was like a shotened version of United States...not sure why.
that was Superchrist. and yes, it is like United States's rambunctious kid brother.

Superchrist is so fun to watch... the band seems to really love playing it.

But as far as how good a song it is.......

it's not a song, it is a blitzkrieg.

I don't know what that is :(

I don't know what that is :(


I think the defination is Massive attack..or quick strike. I believe it was what the german's offensive in the 30's we're called.

it's like a zeitgeist but without the sauerkraut.

the literal translation of blitzkrieg is "lighting war"

If anyone has videos/pics of this show plz youtube em and link em in this thread. I forgot to bring my camera

that's awesome.

I wanna speak german... I'm thinking of taking two german classes next year instead of continuing with Spanish. I'm not going to become fluent in Spanish with the time I have left in school anyway. Might as well be able to say "The dog eats the potato" in two foreign languages.

Sorry, off topic...

German is great
its kinda like english
fun language

(Der Hund frisst den Kartoffel, if you wanted to know)

German is sooo rough. Like I can't take it seriously because no matter what it seems like the person is yelling at you. Granted, I don't know the language but seeing people speak it...and that one Hitler guy...

It sounds awesome.

personally I think Spanish is one of the most beautiful sounding languages ever when people speak it properly... French sometimes is (when Melissa Auf der Maur speaks french it sounds beautiful, but sometimes it just seems ugly and weird). But Spanish is where it's at. It's sooo pretty-sounding. And very easy to read/pronounce and understand because it's latin-based. The biggest problem with Spanish is all the crazy verb forms... six forms for every verb, and that's just in the present tense. I haven't even learned past tense yet, or future... or anything. Crazy.

These under 20 song setlists are starting to worry me....didn't Billy even confirm they are going to play 3 hour shows?

that was Superchrist. and yes, it is like United States's rambunctious kid brother.that was pretty Ted-ish description. I had to look up that word.

ahhh it was just awesome..muzzle made my night complete <3

the only irritating thing were the stupid drunk gross people to our left that kept insisting that those were their seats but they werent, so instead of leaving to find their seats they stood on ours then wedged themselves in between me and my friends then proceeded to make out and take up more space. yuck, it was kind of a mood killer for the first bit of the show cause they kept moving and being obnoxious, but they disappeared later thank god.

oh yeah, almost forgot to post these...they aren't the greatest but my brother managed to get a few recordings:

http://youtube.com/profile?user=lohanpalm

These under 20 song setlists are starting to worry me....didn't Billy even confirm they are going to play 3 hour shows?

Eh, it still looks to be close to 2 and 1/2 hours. I'm cool with that.

Remember guys, Billy and Jimmy are old. I'm not surprised that the shows haven't been 3 hours lately.

so were you able to tape?No Audio, had to take the MD back to the car. I was told that all cameras were ok but a staff told me no taping of the whole show, just 1 min at most. I tried to argue but he told me I could be kicked out, so I did what i could and tried to make it look like I was taking pics, while I was filming. I missed a few songs and songs were cut, and the video goes up and down but overall i got a good amount. Even a day later i think it was a great show!

Just read one persons review on the official site and they mentioned a “Funny comment from Billy about having many children and many wives...” For those of you there what was the funny comment and did he have anymore banter during the show? (I don’t why but I do like his witty and oftentimes dumb banter).

Just read one persons review on the official site and they mentioned a “Funny comment from Billy about having many children and many wives...” For those of you there what was the funny comment and did he have anymore banter during the show? (I don’t why but I do like his witty and oftentimes dumb banter).

He was thanking everyone for coming to the show and said something along the lines of "May God bless you... with many children... and wives." Ginger laughed and then asked him if he said "wives" but he told her he couldn't understand her unless she spoke in Spanish. She asked him again a couple times in English but he acted like he couldn't understand her. This was right before the clip of them speaking Spanish in the youtube video.

AMAZING show! When they started to play Hummer, it was one of the most surreal experiences ever.

I got there early and when they came out of the bus, there was some girl (i think it was a girl) waiting there and Billy came over and they talked. They hugged each other too. It was the cutest thing. So, I could have met him, but I'm a shy, sissy pants.

I listened to them soundcheck Ava Adore and Bring the Light. Those were WAY rocking.

Jeff's parents were close to me. They're so cute.

Tonight, Tonight was beautiful + To Sheila & + That's the Way. The lights looked awesome.

Best concert ever? Why yes, yes it was.

Remember guys, Billy and Jimmy are old. I'm not surprised that the shows haven't been 3 hours lately.
Billy said after the 4th or so song, that the next one would be their last one because they're getting old. Haha

lol! I know! We communicate telepathically!

i hope there is a full download of this soon.

great show.

"ava adore! AVA ADORE!!"
"oh my god they played ava adore the best song ever!!"
"i never talked about it much before but now its totally my fav song!!!!"
"ava adore!!! they played ava adore!!!"
"i wont give a crap about it if they keep playing it but right now its WOW!!"
"ava adore!!! ava adore!!!!"
"wah wah wah the show wasnt 3 hours!!! i feel like ive been raped!!"
"i wasnt even at the show but it wasnt 3 hours so i need to bitch like a bitch!!! wah wah!"


pumpkins fans...you're all beautiful.

"ava adore! AVA ADORE!!"
"oh my god they played ava adore the best song ever!!"
"i never talked about it much before but now its totally my fav song!!!!"
"ava adore!!! they played ava adore!!!"
"i wont give a crap about it if they keep playing it but right now its WOW!!"
"ava adore!!! ava adore!!!!"
"wah wah wah the show wasnt 3 hours!!! i feel like ive been raped!!"
"i wasnt even at the show but it wasnt 3 hours so i need to bitch like a bitch!!! wah wah!"


pumpkins fans...you're all beautiful.

even with that hint of jealousy, he has a point.

everyone bitches about everything on here.

I was at the San Diego show also but have been unable to get online for the last three weeks. I didn't even know that San Diego was the first time they'd played Ava Adore. What every one else has failed to mention is that Billy played about eight bars of By Starlight before going into the rhythmic Ava Adore riff. To say it was fucking awesome would be an understatement.