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NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 07:03 PM
I'll be posting my taping soon as soon as I clean it up. I slept until 4PM today as I didn't get to bed until 6...that was a nightmare getting home last night.

In the meantime I'm curious how the other tapings sound but I can't register on dimedozen. Anyone got any other links?

NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 07:04 PM
I didn't even hear this.


it's very possible you didn't. the acoustics in there weren't all that great. i'll let you hear the taping. it about killed me, it was so awesome.

i_adore_adore
10-03-2007, 07:08 PM
I know the conversation has moved on, but good GOD those lights are freaking insane!! They're everywhere!

And what a great setlist! I'm hoping for something similar tomorrow in Normal... maybe with the inclusion of Shame and Gossamer and take out Today and some others......

vanilla
10-03-2007, 07:09 PM
i had an extra gen admin ticket that i didn't find anyone to buy or give away to. so i have an extra ticket. so, you should mail me an addressed stamped envelope and i'll mail you the extra ticket stub that i have. pm me

markpregen
10-03-2007, 07:10 PM
And what a great setlist! I'm hoping for something similar tomorrow in Normal... maybe with the inclusion of Shame and Gossamer and take out Today and some others......

I expect surprises tomorrow

vanilla
10-03-2007, 07:10 PM
I about fucking died...


"St. Paul!! I thought you knew us better than that!! ......(billy blood curdling scream) KISS MY ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!"


fuck that was amazing.


i heard it. :D

Wasabi
10-03-2007, 07:11 PM
i heard it. :D

sweeet merciful crap that was awesome.

JRiordan
10-03-2007, 07:22 PM
I'll be posting my taping soon as soon as I clean it up. I slept until 4PM today as I didn't get to bed until 6...that was a nightmare getting home last night.

In the meantime I'm curious how the other tapings sound but I can't register on dimedozen. Anyone got any other links?

I don't think many people besides the tapers themselves have heard the recordings yet. See the post by emptyzero in this thread for example:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78748.300.html

ciGarski
10-03-2007, 07:28 PM
dude i went back afterwards because my girl and i forgot to get her a shirt, we were just kinda dome raided from it all and didn't think.

well the doors had closed but on top of the trash cans were about 4 hundred ticket stubs.

i have a stack 2 inches high of ticket stubs.

they took them so you couldn't sneak people into the floor. the target center in minneapolis did the same thing with tool.

ciGarski
10-03-2007, 07:28 PM
i've never heard him scream so much, it was fucking sick. i can't believe he does that every night.

NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 07:30 PM
dude i went back afterwards because my girl and i forgot to get her a shirt, we were just kinda dome raided from it all and didn't think.

well the doors had closed but on top of the trash cans were about 4 hundred ticket stubs.

i have a stack 2 inches high of ticket stubs.

they took them so you couldn't sneak people into the floor. the target center in minneapolis did the same thing with tool.


don't feel bad, the t-shirts were like fifty bucks

NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 07:31 PM
i've never heard him scream so much, it was fucking sick. i can't believe he does that every night.


he doesn't. This is the most I've heard him scream out of any concert this tour. Sick? yeah... definitely.

pearlzepfan
10-03-2007, 07:32 PM
dude i went back afterwards because my girl and i forgot to get her a shirt, we were just kinda dome raided from it all and didn't think.

well the doors had closed but on top of the trash cans were about 4 hundred ticket stubs.

i have a stack 2 inches high of ticket stubs.

they took them so you couldn't sneak people into the floor. the target center in minneapolis did the same thing with tool.


Would you be willing to send me a couple of them?

ciGarski
10-03-2007, 07:33 PM
don't feel bad, the t-shirts were like fifty bucks
i bought 2.


she really regrets not getting one and forgetting too, and i feel bad. any converted sp fan she rock on.

i'd like to get hooked up with on, via ebay or someone seeing a show

ciGarski
10-03-2007, 07:35 PM
Would you be willing to send me a couple of them?
i donated them to charity.

alzeppelin
10-03-2007, 07:40 PM
Video clips from last night to be on youtube shortly if all goes to plan...

NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 07:42 PM
Video clips from last night to be on youtube shortly if all goes to plan...


you rule.

AndySlash
10-03-2007, 08:17 PM
Here's the Strib review:

Concert review: These two Pumpkins not smashing enough

The new lineup of Billy Corgan's old '90s band shined best with way-old material. But only two of the original four were there.

By Chris Riemenschneider, Star Tribune

Many old bands touring with newly revamped lineups try to cover up the fact that they don't have all their original members. And then there are the Smashing Pumpkins, who didn't waste any time pointing out their shortage of co-founders Tuesday night at Roy Wilkins Auditorium in St. Paul.

Just four minutes into the show, during the opening song "United States," the band whittled itself down to just frontman Billy Corgan and drummer Jimmy Chamberlin on stage alone. The two original Pumpkins proceeded to offer an excessive and downright dopey jam for another three or four minutes, as if the sold-out crowd wanted them -- and just them -- right away.

What the fans wanted, of course, was not in the cards -- at least not yet. The quartet's two other original members reportedly declined to reunite.

As a result, the Chicago band whose free 1998 appearance at the Hennepin Avenue Block Party in Minneapolis went down as the biggest rock concert in Twin Cities history (roughly 100,000 attendees) were left playing an old St. Paul auditorium with three unknown hired guns to 5,000 dedicated but somewhat skeptical fans.

Aside from the trite attempts to sell the value of the Pumpkins' would-be Dynamic Duo -- Corgan and Chamberlin also performed the acoustic favorite "Perfect" later in the show -- the concert did at least justify that the band carry on, at least in name and in sound, after its 2000 split.

The new Pumpkins certainly tried hard to earn respect. They performed for more than 2 ˝ hours, which were, for the most part, as intense and solid as most shows the old Pumpkins put on, though. This one even outshone some of the shows near the end of the old lineup, when Corgan went a little too heavy on the heavy goth/industrial sound.

It was a good sign when the band played two of the floweriest/prettiest rockers from its early days, "Rocket" and "Drown," early in the set. The latter tune sounded as thrilling as it did back on the "Singles" soundtrack (talk about a sign of the grunge times).

Another old-school nugget, "Hummer," came later, and the encore finale was the forever-hummable "Today."

Some of the songs on the current lineup's new album, "Zeitgeist," also offered less of the bleakness and snarl of the Pumpkins' latter days, including the stormy highlight "Bring the Light" and the gorgeous rocker "Stand Inside Your Love." When the old snarl did come -- with the mega-hit "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" and the new single "Tarantula" -- it still had plenty of bite.

And it took a lot more than Corgan and Chamberlin to pull it off.

AndySlash
10-03-2007, 08:18 PM
And here's the reviewer's blog entry:

The last 5-7 songs on this set list are missing here because the Star Tribune powers-that-be think sports stories are the only articles that can get filed after 11 p.m. (in other words, I had to cut out early to file my review). Also, the band strayed aplenty from the set list that was handed out to the production staff. I do know the band played both “Cherub Rock” and “Today” in the encores, which I’m sorry I missed. Here’s what I did hear:

United States / Rocket / That’s the Way (My Love Is) / Neverlost / Drown / Bring the Light / Stand Inside Your Love / Tonight, Tonight / Tarantula / Zero / Glass and the Ghost Children / 1979 (Billy solo, big crowd singalong) / Perfect (Billy & Jimmy) / To Sheila (acoustic w/ whole band) / Bullet With Butterfly Wings / Hummer / ….???

Please fill in the rest, and leave your thoughts on the show.

NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 08:20 PM
going through my recording now, it's almost moot. I guess my recorder only picks up frequencies between 250hz and 2000hz. I tried boosting some of the freqs but it's not going well. i'll post a file and you can tell me how bad it is.

NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 08:23 PM
by the way, that reviewer is an imbecile. that show rocked and the fact that two gourds are missing is extremely old news. Welcome to february of 2007, asswipe (reviewer).

i_adore_adore
10-03-2007, 08:25 PM
Some of the songs on the current lineup's new album, "Zeitgeist," also offered less of the bleakness and snarl of the Pumpkins' latter days, including the stormy highlight "Bring the Light" and the gorgeous rocker "Stand Inside Your Love."

:erm:

Did that person just say SIYL is from Zeitgeist, or am I reading that badly-constructed sentence wrong?

alzeppelin
10-03-2007, 08:29 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xyhvtX-EHno

I shot this in widescreen so it is not displayed completely accurate on youtube. The audio is from the camera mic which will eventually be replaced.

Hummer is next...

Enjoy!

AndySlash
10-03-2007, 08:30 PM
After several harsh criticisms of his comments in the blog, he added this to the ongoing discussion:

Hey, I was upfront about the fact that I had to leave a bit early, nothing I could do about it. One of the downsides of getting paid to go to shows — to answer Joe’s question, ha ha — is that I’m on the Strib clock, not rock stars’ time.
Were the last 30 minutes (only 1/5th the show) really so different that they’d have strongly altered a review? Frankly, I wish I had left 15 minutes earlier to get a little fact-checking and better wording in the review (as it was, I had about 30 minutes to do it all, and find a wi-fi connection in the ol’ Wilkins). I do know for sure that those last few songs certainly wouldn’t have made me gush over the “spectactular lighting show,” which I thought was overcompensating, as if the lights could fill in for the two missing members and make us believe they’re still an arena-sized band.

Anyway, keep the Smashing zingers flying, but the whole leaving-early thing was out of my control and nothing I tried to hide.

ciGarski
10-03-2007, 08:33 PM
hes talking out of his ass.

the last thing i was paying attention to during the last songs was the lights.

his predispositon towards the new pumpkins is way to previlent in this article to get a good review out of him

AndySlash
10-03-2007, 08:37 PM
Pioneer Press blog review:

Emptiness is loneliness, and so on

Billy Corgan: He does what he wants.

That, more than anything, is what I took from Tuesday night's Smashing Pumpkins concert at Roy Wilkins Auditorium, a stop on the band's first tour since 2000. As hard as this may be to believe for folks who watched Corgan's ascent the first time, he's gotten even more egotistical with age(!) Yet I'm so awed by his singular tunnel vision, it's almost like the concert was above criticism. I left dazed, kinda bored and a little peeved, but I have no doubt the night went off exactly as Corgan planned.

Dressed like a cross between an escaped mental patient (in white capri pants) and the Wicked Witch of the East, Corgan stood front and center for almost the entire two-hour main set and three single-song encores. He barely acknowledged any of the hired guns who've replaced founding members James Iha and D'arcy Wretzky in this so-called reunion, although he did manage to find a few kind words for drummer Jimmy Chamberlin, whom he's taken to referring as his "life partner" these days. It wasn't that Corgan was purposely ignoring the newcomers, who were also clad in white, it was more that it didn't even occur to him that anyone even noticed they were there in the first place. ("The only hit that comes out of a Billy Corgan show is Billy Corgan and that's me, baby, remember?")

He opened the show with "United States," a 10-minute epic from the mostly terrible new Pumpkins disc "Zeitgeist" that incorporated a squealing bit of "The Star Spangled Banner" at the end. And that over-the-top indulgence set the pace for the night, which was heavy on looooooong, patience-testing instrumental passages. Of course, the band was always notorious as being a hit-or-miss live act and they could rarely be accused of brevity. But God save any of those casual fans who were there solely for the big hits.

Oh, Corgan did manage to squeeze out a few of the numbers that provided sweet relief during the dismal grunge era, including "Tonight, Tonight," "Drown" and "Bullet with Butterfly Wings." But almost without a fault, they felt sloppy and sped up, as if Corgan couldn't wait to get to another dull "Zeitgeist" track or a lesser-known, late-period Pumpkins nugget. He did trot out a nearly touching, campfire-style sing-along of "1979" during a mini-acoustic set midway through the evening and saved "Cherub Rock" and "Today" for the encores, but again, played them as if it was a chore. (And "Zero" was an obvious crowd favorite but, man, that song hasn't exactly gotten less ridiculous with time. "Intoxicated with my madness, I'm in love with my sadness" ... eeek!)

Then there were those new songs, as well as some relative obscurities, most of which absolutely murdered any sense of momentum Corgan might have had going. I'm sure some of the folks in the crowd were overjoyed to hear the deep "Machina/The Machines of God" album cut "Glass and the Ghost Children," but do you know any of those folks? Me neither. And the new track "Superchrist" -- so new it's not even on "Zeitgeist" -- dragged on long enough that it felt like I could have walked home, watched "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" (complete with Dolly Madison commercials), walked back and still caught the tail end of it.

All of that said, I honestly do appreciate Corgan's single-mindedness and utter lack of interest in following any sort of rulebook or catering to fuzzy nostalgia for the Clinton era. And it was nice, I suppose, to see so many young kids in the sold-out crowd (even if to many of them, I suspect, 1979 may as well be 1939). Clearly Corgan's penchant for drama, and whining, has struck a chord with the emo kids (see those "Zero" lyrics above).

AndySlash
10-03-2007, 08:39 PM
hes talking out of his ass.

the last thing i was paying attention to during the last songs was the lights.


He was only responding to somebody else's comments. I doubt he'd be paying attention to the lights, either. Seems to be what he suggested anyway.

ciGarski
10-03-2007, 08:40 PM
and what was the point of pointing out they played only 5000 people instead of 100000 or whatever? that they're less popular than in 1998? ok.

NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 08:42 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xyhvtX-EHno

I shot this in widescreen so it is not displayed completely accurate on youtube. The audio is from the camera mic which will eventually be replaced.

Hummer is next...

Enjoy!

you rock dude. i left you a comment.

thanks for the cool vids!

NoAlternative
10-03-2007, 08:45 PM
and what was the point of pointing out they played only 5000 people instead of 100000 or whatever? that they're less popular than in 1998? ok.

I don't even listen to reviewers...

I tend to listen to fans more... they know the band better, and even though some of them are biased, most fans are pretty straightforward. I think some of the critics get paid to write bad reviews.

Even if it was a linkin park concert, and I was a reviewer, and they put on a show that good, I would have given them a decent review. But I'm not really an asshole, so there you have it i guess.

Rolling Stone and etc is a joke, imo.

davin
10-03-2007, 09:37 PM
that pioneer press review was complete horseshit. the guy went into it with a predisposed notion about billy. fucking asswipe journalists.

davin
10-03-2007, 09:41 PM
yes, i was skeptical. i had lower expectations so i wouldn't be dissapointed. i was suprised. i thought they totally rocked.

:rock_on:

davin
10-03-2007, 09:45 PM
and about the g&tgc, hmm "energy level" comments....i'm sure some people in the crowd got bored or "didn't get it" or whatever....but like i've said before:

if the show doesn't at least inc<le>lude 1 or 2 songs that make "the average joes" feel slightly uncomfortable and slightly :erm: well, then it wouldn't be an SP show.

i personally love that shit....it brings back memories of the days of silverfuck, starla, i am one rants, etc. in the 90's when people didn't know what the fuck was going on then either.

AndySlash
10-03-2007, 10:03 PM
This is actually pretty cool, minus the very first voice:

http://photo.twincities.com/index.php/2007/10/02/smashing-pumpkins-at-xcel/#more-604

AndySlash
10-03-2007, 10:08 PM
Whoa, check out the the Costumes - not just for Halloween [VIDEO] link at the bootom of that, too.

Wasabi
10-03-2007, 10:12 PM
and about the g&tgc, hmm "energy level" comments....i'm sure some people in the crowd got bored or "didn't get it" or whatever....but like i've said before:

if the show doesn't at least inc<le>lude 1 or 2 songs that make "the average joes" feel slightly uncomfortable and slightly :erm: well, then it wouldn't be an SP show.

i personally love that shit....it brings back memories of the days of silverfuck, starla, i am one rants, etc. in the 90's when people didn't know what the fuck was going on then either.
<img src="http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1063/5078-0075.jpg">

Those were the days!!!!

Wasabi
10-03-2007, 10:14 PM
This is actually pretty cool, minus the very first voice:

http://photo.twincities.com/index.php/2007/10/02/smashing-pumpkins-at-xcel/#more-604

i wish you could save from these things, without having to screenshot every damn time.

the squished girl's expression in the crowd surfing picture is bliss.

edit: this is also proof that there's another recording out there ... then again that could be _any_ US.

Wasabi
10-03-2007, 10:17 PM
Whoa, check out the the Costumes - not just for Halloween [VIDEO] link at the bootom of that, too.
fap

AndySlash
10-03-2007, 10:19 PM
edit: this is also proof that there's another recording out there ... then again that could be _any_ US.

It says "audio by" the same chick who took the photos at the end of the montage. I'd bet, at best, she has the first three songs or however long they're allowed up there and that's it.

MisterSquishyHalo
10-03-2007, 10:50 PM
Here's the Strib review:

Concert review: These two Pumpkins not smashing enough

.


Even the title looks negative, the review overall was pretty favorable.

mayday
10-03-2007, 11:08 PM
"old school nugget"

:rofl:

ciGarski
10-03-2007, 11:15 PM
while im thinking of it,


someone did ask corgan how he chooses songs to play and he responded by saying that some will work at certain venues and with certain acoustics and some won't.

and considering wilkins is like a high school gymnasium i can see why he choose to opt out of it.

mayday
10-03-2007, 11:32 PM
sweeet merciful crap that was awesome.
lol

mayday
10-03-2007, 11:38 PM
After several harsh criticisms of his comments in the blog, he added this to the ongoing discussion:
as if the lights could fill in for the two missing members and make us believe they’re still an arena-sized band.

.

there are no more missing members. darcy and james didn't want to do it so they had to get new members. these are the smashing pumpkins now. get over it . the only constant is change. and life goes on and for the pumpkins right now it's really going on :) sounds like the band is rocking better than ever. i am 100 percent sure that a netphorian could write a much better review than that guy's

MplsTaper
10-03-2007, 11:46 PM
Hello, this is emptyzero. I know I look like a noob with 1 post but comcast hasn't been my ISP for over 2 years and I lost access to the email account to retrieve the login I had set up years ago.

Anyways, I had to run some errands tonight and didn't get my source processed. I'm taping MBD thursday but want to have a torrent posted friday or saturday at the latest. I seed all of my masters on the traders' den.

Thank you to BC, band mgm, Gio and RW staff for allowing us to document a great show. I hadn't seen them since Sioux Falls, SD 1-14-97 and I can now pass a happy man having taped the Smashing Pumpkins.

Info from emptyzero on St. Paul taping results ( http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,78748.300.html ):

"3 open auds from the same stand and 1 video from front row dfc balcony. Gio denied the first stand we tried bringing in saying it was to big but he was more than cool about it. Something along the lines of "if someone trips and breaks your camera you'll be mad at us and if someone trips and breaks their leg they'll be mad at us so see about getting something smaller or holding them." Totally understandable. Very nice guy.

Went back to the car and got a smallerish stand that we all clamped to. We may have been lucky getting that one in but we were way back by the right side of the board where there was very little foot traffic and plenty of blockage. The way to go is probably a DIY stand per manitouman or clamping somewhere in the venue.

Can't speak for the other fellas but I should have my source on TTD tonight (doubtful) or saturday at the latest (I'll also post on the LMA after it's seeded). Taping Murder by Death thursday...

Edit: ~ 2hrs 19mins including encore break, 1 song, small break, 2nd song, small break, 3rd song."

ciGarski
10-03-2007, 11:57 PM
there are no more missing members. darcy and james didn't want to do it so they had to get new members. these are the smashing pumpkins now. get over it . the only constant is change. and life goes on and for the pumpkins right now it's really going on :) sounds like the band is rocking better than ever. i am 100 percent sure that a netphorian could write a much better review than that guy's
yeah which ever reviewer is babbling about corgan trying to convince us its an arena sized band can suck my fucking cock. the first time i saw pumpkins this year was with 80,000 people singing along to both old and new songs.

and i think blog is the key word. these dudes are less than netphorians. its like they just stumbled upon the concert without prior knowledge about the curcumstances regarding the bands members and show.

the set list i got is 2 pages long. anyone who felt like they didn't get their moneys worth shouldn't have come in the first place, and probably didn't like the band even in their career arch in the ninties.

ZephZero33
10-04-2007, 12:00 AM
how long was this show?

AndySlash
10-04-2007, 12:02 AM
and i think blog is the key word. these dudes are less than netphorians.


Actually, the two Strib writers with blogs have been with the paper longer than the blogs have existed.

Not so sure about the PPress guy.

ciGarski
10-04-2007, 12:03 AM
2 1/2+ hours

mayday
10-04-2007, 12:06 AM
yeah which ever reviewer is babbling about corgan trying to convince us its an arena sized band can suck my fucking cock. the first time i saw pumpkins this year was with 80,000 people singing along to both old and new songs.

and i think blog is the key word. these dudes are less than netphorians. its like they just stumbled upon the concert without prior knowledge about the curcumstances regarding the bands members and show.

the set list i got is 2 pages long. anyone who felt like they didn't get their moneys worth shouldn't have come in the first place, and probably didn't like the band even in their career arch in the ninties.

you said it baby

AndySlash
10-04-2007, 12:09 AM
Hello, this is emptyzero.

want to have a torrent posted friday or saturday at the latest. I seed all of my masters on the traders' den.


<center><img src=http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/mr-burns-wallpaper.gif width=50%>

<font size=80><b>EXCELLENT</b></font></center>

mayday
10-04-2007, 12:17 AM
lol^

JRiordan
10-04-2007, 12:55 AM
Thanks emptyzero!!

Wasabi
10-04-2007, 04:28 AM
I wrote this up for my blog and figured I'd post it here. Mneh.

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.

Well, I've got five under my belt. The wife now has one. Yes, I'm talking about Smashing Pumpkins concerts. We've both been to four Zwan shows. You'd think we were obsessed. ;) The most recent was this past Tuesday evening at the Roy Wilkins Auditorium in St. Paul, MN.

The entire day of classes and work proceeding up to the evening's show was tiresome and tedious. I couldn't concentrate very well and my energy level was less than great. I was almost worried I was going to fall asleep at the concert, which would have been hideously embarrassing. Fortunately that didn't happen. My wife got home from work and we got all prepared for the show. Admittedly I had no idea where I was going to park, but ended up getting an unmonitored parking meter right outside the door. It was pretty sweet to not have to fork out $10+ to park somewhere.

Good news was all around as they allowed me into the venue with my 'amateur-trying-to-learn' camera gear. They didn't really check bags that thoroughly at all. The wife and , for some stupid reason, were expecting the level of security similar to the Metro (frisking, having to check pretty much everything that wasn't a wallet or a ticket). But we lucked out. After getting into the venue I was also pleasantly surprised to learn that the merchandise-kiosk-thingy took credit cards. I bought a yellow Zeitgeist tour shirt (St. Paul mentioned on the back), a belt buckle (yes I'm gonna be uberNerd), and several buttons. My wife, for some reason, didn't want anything, but was enormously amused by watching a fan at the show who purchased a Zeitgeist flag and wore it as a cape.

We found our seats, which were reserved ones in the balcony. I didn't feel like subjecting my wife to a Pumpkins' pit. Despite her anxieties that I would have less fun by sitting up in the balcony, we both really enjoyed ourselves. We watched fans on the floor, watched someone set up a audio taping rig at the edge of the balcony, and just chilled. Before the show started, I went and bought some drinks and hot dogs because we didn't bother to think about eating before heading to the show. Sure, they were gawdawful expensive, but such is life. We chilled, talked, people watched, etc., until the opening act.

Around 7:30ish 'The Bravery' took the stage. I cannot stress how much these guys suck. The lead 'singer' stumbled around acting/or actually being in a state of intoxication/inebriation. He did all the atrociously cliche 80s punk manuevers; repeatedly knocking over the mic-stand, waiting for some hapless roadie sap to come put it back up, swinging the microphone by its cord and attempting (usually unsuccessfully) to catch it, rolling his ankles and 'dancing'. By dancing ... well it's hard to put into words, basically the best mental image I can provide for you ... is to imagine someone of about Evan's body type, slightly taller, wired on stimulants/etc, doing his best impression of the Jame Gumb dance from the end of Silence of the Lambs (Goodbye Horses ... I'd fuck me ... you know the one). It was bad. He proceeded to, between the atrocious music reminiscient of a blend between the Cure and Oingo Boingo, tell us how they were from New York City. (All I could think was along the lines of the damn Pace Picante commercials ... New York City!?!) But he spoke/sang/blathered in this hideous British accent that made me want to drive nails into my temples. I'll say it again, I cannot stress how much these guys suck.

Once they were done, the crowd on the floor got bigger (evidently others were in the know and decided not to subject themselves to the opening act horror). We waited a while. My wife was amused by how I became increasingly psyched about the Pumpkins. People began to sit around us. After having the wide-angle lens out for a couple of shots of the venue and The Bravery's set, I switched to the telephoto for the rest of the evening. I probably should have at least gotten one or two Pumpkins oriented wide-angle shots, but it's too late now. Throughout the show we both took a decent amount of pictures. Some of them are presentable, others ... not so much. The Smashing Pumpkins came on and started what would be their 2.5+ hour show. The setlist is as follows, with commentary.

United States - The opus song off their latest album, this started off the show with an ample amount of Jimmy drumming like crazy. It was unreal. After hearing numerous recordings of successful and failed attempts to get a 'Yeah' chant going towards the end of the song, my wife and I had resolved to get this to happen in St. Paul. So ... we waited in anticipation. In the 'interlude' in the middle of the song, we were treated with the Star Spangled Banner tease. This isn't *******d on the album version, but has been the staple for the performances thusfar in 2007. It seemed to me that this particular instance had a longer tease than usual ... sending just before the 'oh say does that' ending. When the time came for the 'Yeah' chant ... i have the sneaking suspicion that I scared the crap out of the guy in front of me. He was also pretty excited before the Pumpkins took the stage but I'm guessing he hadn't been exposed to the full range of downloadable concert nerddom that the internet offers. When the 'Yeah' chant hit, I did it. Loudly. I mean, ouch. I had to rest the roaring throat for a few songs after that one. I'm not sure how much the 'Yeah' chant caught on, it was hard to hear over my exuberant yelling. But nevertheless, it was pretty b.a. ... and about as close as I'll ever get to a Metallica 'heil' chant. All in all, the song is one of my favorites off the new album and it was pretty cool to hear it live and in person.
Rocket (electric) - They immediately busted into Rocket, a single off their second album Siamese Dream. Throughout the tour thus far, this song has been done a couple of times during the acoustic portion of the show. In some cases that has been pretty interesting, listening to a crowd get into singing 'we shall be free' in the warm ambiance than an acoustic set brings. But for most Siamese Dreamers, Rocket just isn't the same unless its done electric. Fortunately for us, we got the goods. It really felt like a reboot, like the 7 year interlude from Pumpkins material hadn't happened. The mood clicked nicely and everything seemed to come back together from the chaotic questions that lurked in the minds of doubtful fans.
Neverlost - Prior to this song we got some conversation out of Billy. It was along the lines of, "Is everyone having fun? *cheer-yeah* When you think of fun, you think of us. Now here's a fun, sad song called Neverlost." .. sort of amusing ;) Neverlost isn't one of my favorite tunes from the new album, but I think I like the live versions of it between than the studio recording.
Drown - This is the part of the show in which Tom begins to crap his pants. Drown, for those of you not in the nerdy Pumpkins business, is from the soundtrack to Singles (movie). It is also available on the pumpkins' greatest hits CD (Rotten Apples). I'm a really big fan of the song. I like to musical contours, the way the emotionality of the lyrics and of the period from which I remember it are expressed in the guitarwork. All around goodness.
Bring The Light - This song, from the latest album, has only recently been brought out on tour. For a while it was not performed. It's catchy. I like that I suppose. There's a jam-part toward the end of the song of which I'm a really big fan. Some people find the song a little too 'pop', but I'm not opposed to it.
That's The Way (My Love Is) - When they started this song, and my wife figured out what it was, she was incredibly psyched. It's one of her favorites from the new album and I have to admit it's growing on me too. I think what I liked most about this one, was watching her enjoy it.
Stand Inside Your Love - I was pretty impressed and how well the band seemed to come together on this song. I sort of expected it to flop but it provided them ample opportunity to grow in musical unity as a group. (that sounded better in my head)
Tonight, Tonight - I had forgotten that the wife had never gotten the chance to see/hear this song live before. It's definitely an experience. There's something epic and significant about the piece ... there's a sense of ethereal grandeur that seeps into your head as you feel drawn into an experience which you may or may not have anticipated. It's easily one of my favorite 'Illinois-related' songs. Sort of disappointing that we didn't get some sort of roaring cheer after the line "and the embers never fade, in the city by the lake" ... but hey, what do you expect, we're in Minnesota ... lakes aren't that big of a deal here.
Tarantula - The first single off their latest album, this went over quite well ... the crowd on the floor was really into it. There was an ample amount of moshing, crowd surfing, even a bit of slam dancing ... personally I really enjoyed the solo leading into the mid-song interlude. It seemed more developed than it has been thus far on the tour.
Zero - Always a crowd favorite, we really got to see the floor go nuts on this one. It's easy to get into the grove with this song and the auditorium seemed to sync up pretty well as we all joined in on cue for the line "wanna go for a ride." Good times.
Glass & Ghost Children - This song killed the energy contour. Everything seemed to taper and ... fast. It's not one of my favorites, and it has had a little development since its album release on Machina. I'm not sure I'm a big fan of the developmental direction it has taken, but beggars can't be chosers.
1979 (Billy Corgan Solo Acoustic) - This is my wife's favorite Pumpkins song and it was really cool to watch her light up when it was played. She really liked the acoustic numbers, though they were in short supply, and it made me glad that she enjoyed the show. We got a bit of that rock concert cliche moment in when Billy invited the crowd to sing the refrain, but hey ... we all enjoyed it.
Perfect (Billy Corgan & Jimmy Chamberlain Acoustic) - Cue the portion of the show which my wife likes to call, the arm porn song. She was blown away by the size of Jimmy's guns. Seriously ... the man could go into some sort of professional wrestling/flaunt based job if he wanted to. This is another song that my wife liked alot and it was good to hear. It hasn't been played much on the tour thus far, but it really added a nice sense of ambiance.
To Sheila - though not acoustic, this song is also good at uniting the crowd in something other than head banging our minds out ;) It was another one the wife liked, though I tend to like it a lot more when it is done as an acoustic ensemble.
Bullet With Butterfly Wings - Also known to the unnerdy, as 'that rat in a cage song', this got the crowd back up and moving. And boy did they ever. There have been those who question whether Billy still has the 'scream intensity' he once did, and after hearing the Las Vegas recording of this earlier this summer and hearing this in person, let me put those questions to rest. The man must have vocal chords from beyond the grave ... how someone can sing/scream/yell with such intensity night after night ... is beyond me.
Hummer - Though this was not a single off Siamese Dream, it is still one which has the tendency to rally the crowd. My wife was pretty fond of it, which was surprising to me, because it doesn't show up on the car's mp3-cd-mixes that often and it's not one that gets radio play. Still, it's one of my favorites and I was especially blown away by the completely synchronized guitar solo between Billy Corgan and Jeff Schroeder (sp?). They were spot on. It was incredible.
Home - According to other Pumpkins fans online, this song was soundchecked in Colorado for around 25 minutes. Apparently they did a good deal of development with it, as the introduction was not one I noticed. For the first couple of seconds the gears in my head were going like crazy trying to figure out what, in the enormous Pumpkins song library, this song could be. I asked the girl sitting next to me. She ventured the guess that it was Today. I almost laughed in her face. The songs do not sound anywhere near alike, let alone the fact they're in significantly different keys. Once I realized what song it was ... I was even more enthralled. This song has been in my head for a couple months now, as you'll probably recall from my nerdy lyric post here. When we got back from the show, I learned on line that this performance of Home was the first one done since July 19th at the Fillmore. Nice to know they pulled it back into the setlist.
Superchrist - Some people don't like this song. Some people say that it sounds like a reprise of United States. These people do not know how to rock. This song was absolutely bonkers, in all the right ways. It was loud. It was good. It had the drum part from beyond the grave. It made me miss my head-banging hair. It was only surpassed by the fact that it segued into ...
Doomsday Clock - Off the latest album, as well as the Transformers soundtrack, this song is another one of our favorites. It has an opening drum beat and continuing guitar riff that drive you to grove your ass off. It did, however, also provide a bit of humor. Toward the end of the song I told my wife to listen to when Billy sings "this doomsday clock ticking in my heart". Every time, it sounds like he's saying "this doomsday clock ... chicken in my heart". We spiraled into a giggle fit. Good times.
Heavy Metal Machine - This song ... is technically a bit more than you'd expect. On the official Smashing Pumpkins Flickr page, it was referred to as "Heavy Mother Fuckin Metal Machine". If one were to detail the teases, segues, etc. throughout the song ... it would probably be better named as "Heavy Metal Machine > White Rabbit (Jefferson Airplane) > I Love Rock & Roll (Joan Jett) > On The Road Again (Canned Heat)". I'm pretty darn sure my screaming made it onto at least one recording of this. I've heard the Las Vegas version of this, which was mindblowingly nuts. So when I heard the introductory drum beat, I instantly knew what it was and instinctively yelled out at the top of my lungs, HEAVY METAL! Hearing this in person ... was insane. The acoustics in the Roy Wilkins Auditorium are not that great. It was hard to hear the nuances of guitar solos, but being bombarded by the wall of rock was definitely not a bad thing at all. The lungs of Corgan were insanely on for this one also. We got our fair share of conversational lyrics and screaming as well. "You thought we weren't coming back. St. Paul! I thought you knew us better than that!! ... (Billy's Blood Curdling Scream) Kiss My Assssssss!!!!" ... the song was ... killer. When the recordings get released, it's going to go in my 'wake up the neighbors' playlist.
Encore 1: Cherub Rock - An old favorite, everyone went nuts after the first drum roll. The solos were especially fantastic on this one.
Encore 2: With Every Light - This song has been played a few times thus far on the tour but admittedly I wasn't expecting it. Actually, according to a taper who was directly over the soundboard and could see the setlist and according to someone who actually got a copy of the setlist, this song wasn't even slated to be performed. So ... we got treated. Admittedly the song is a bit slower than what one would expect for an encore ... but I really like the overall feel of the piece.
Encore 3: Today - This song was ... just what we wanted. Sure, I'm always in the mood for Starla, or Silverfuck, or The Aeroplane Flies High, but ... this hit the spot. It was especially bad ass when Billy had the whole crowd sing the first verse by ourselves. It was Pumpkins addict-nerd bliss. This song was also not slated to be performed, instead we were going to get Gossamer (a non-album track which ranged from anywhere between 15-35 minutes). I'm not joking ... the song has been recorded at over 30 minutes on multiple occasions ... it's bonkers. Nevertheless, Today was a remarkably appropriate and excellent way to close out the show.

I'm definitely looking forward to running the pictures we took through Photoshop and seeing that I can do to clean them up and crop them for presentability. But i'm especially looking forward to the release of the recordings for this concert. There are, as confirmed by the tapers, three different audio recordings and two different video recordings in the mix so far. I smell a multi-cam DVD in the works!

Billy Corgan quote of the night?: What the fuck is a golden gopher?

IWishIWasBlank
10-04-2007, 07:57 AM
i am off as well, hope you all enjoy it

Your avatar kind of looks like you yelims.

AlphaCentauri
10-04-2007, 10:30 AM
someone married you??? oh jeez

I wrote this up for my blog and figured I'd post it here. Mneh.

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.

Well, I've got five under my belt. The wife now has one. Yes, I'm talking about Smashing Pumpkins concerts. We've both been to four Zwan shows. You'd think we were obsessed. ;) The most recent was this past Tuesday evening at the Roy Wilkins Auditorium in St. Paul, MN.

The entire day of classes and work proceeding up to the evening's show was tiresome and tedious. I couldn't concentrate very well and my energy level was less than great. I was almost worried I was going to fall asleep at the concert, which would have been hideously embarrassing. Fortunately that didn't happen. My wife got home from work and we got all prepared for the show. Admittedly I had no idea where I was going to park, but ended up getting an unmonitored parking meter right outside the door. It was pretty sweet to not have to fork out $10+ to park somewhere.

Good news was all around as they allowed me into the venue with my 'amateur-trying-to-learn' camera gear. They didn't really check bags that thoroughly at all. The wife and , for some stupid reason, were expecting the level of security similar to the Metro (frisking, having to check pretty much everything that wasn't a wallet or a ticket). But we lucked out. After getting into the venue I was also pleasantly surprised to learn that the merchandise-kiosk-thingy took credit cards. I bought a yellow Zeitgeist tour shirt (St. Paul mentioned on the back), a belt buckle (yes I'm gonna be uberNerd), and several buttons. My wife, for some reason, didn't want anything, but was enormously amused by watching a fan at the show who purchased a Zeitgeist flag and wore it as a cape.

We found our seats, which were reserved ones in the balcony. I didn't feel like subjecting my wife to a Pumpkins' pit. Despite her anxieties that I would have less fun by sitting up in the balcony, we both really enjoyed ourselves. We watched fans on the floor, watched someone set up a audio taping rig at the edge of the balcony, and just chilled. Before the show started, I went and bought some drinks and hot dogs because we didn't bother to think about eating before heading to the show. Sure, they were gawdawful expensive, but such is life. We chilled, talked, people watched, etc., until the opening act.

Around 7:30ish 'The Bravery' took the stage. I cannot stress how much these guys suck. The lead 'singer' stumbled around acting/or actually being in a state of intoxication/inebriation. He did all the atrociously cliche 80s punk manuevers; repeatedly knocking over the mic-stand, waiting for some hapless roadie sap to come put it back up, swinging the microphone by its cord and attempting (usually unsuccessfully) to catch it, rolling his ankles and 'dancing'. By dancing ... well it's hard to put into words, basically the best mental image I can provide for you ... is to imagine someone of about Evan's body type, slightly taller, wired on stimulants/etc, doing his best impression of the Jame Gumb dance from the end of Silence of the Lambs (Goodbye Horses ... I'd fuck me ... you know the one). It was bad. He proceeded to, between the atrocious music reminiscient of a blend between the Cure and Oingo Boingo, tell us how they were from New York City. (All I could think was along the lines of the damn Pace Picante commercials ... New York City!?!) But he spoke/sang/blathered in this hideous British accent that made me want to drive nails into my temples. I'll say it again, I cannot stress how much these guys suck.

Once they were done, the crowd on the floor got bigger (evidently others were in the know and decided not to subject themselves to the opening act horror). We waited a while. My wife was amused by how I became increasingly psyched about the Pumpkins. People began to sit around us. After having the wide-angle lens out for a couple of shots of the venue and The Bravery's set, I switched to the telephoto for the rest of the evening. I probably should have at least gotten one or two Pumpkins oriented wide-angle shots, but it's too late now. Throughout the show we both took a decent amount of pictures. Some of them are presentable, others ... not so much. The Smashing Pumpkins came on and started what would be their 2.5+ hour show. The setlist is as follows, with commentary.

United States - The opus song off their latest album, this started off the show with an ample amount of Jimmy drumming like crazy. It was unreal. After hearing numerous recordings of successful and failed attempts to get a 'Yeah' chant going towards the end of the song, my wife and I had resolved to get this to happen in St. Paul. So ... we waited in anticipation. In the 'interlude' in the middle of the song, we were treated with the Star Spangled Banner tease. This isn't *******d on the album version, but has been the staple for the performances thusfar in 2007. It seemed to me that this particular instance had a longer tease than usual ... sending just before the 'oh say does that' ending. When the time came for the 'Yeah' chant ... i have the sneaking suspicion that I scared the crap out of the guy in front of me. He was also pretty excited before the Pumpkins took the stage but I'm guessing he hadn't been exposed to the full range of downloadable concert nerddom that the internet offers. When the 'Yeah' chant hit, I did it. Loudly. I mean, ouch. I had to rest the roaring throat for a few songs after that one. I'm not sure how much the 'Yeah' chant caught on, it was hard to hear over my exuberant yelling. But nevertheless, it was pretty b.a. ... and about as close as I'll ever get to a Metallica 'heil' chant. All in all, the song is one of my favorites off the new album and it was pretty cool to hear it live and in person.
Rocket (electric) - They immediately busted into Rocket, a single off their second album Siamese Dream. Throughout the tour thus far, this song has been done a couple of times during the acoustic portion of the show. In some cases that has been pretty interesting, listening to a crowd get into singing 'we shall be free' in the warm ambiance than an acoustic set brings. But for most Siamese Dreamers, Rocket just isn't the same unless its done electric. Fortunately for us, we got the goods. It really felt like a reboot, like the 7 year interlude from Pumpkins material hadn't happened. The mood clicked nicely and everything seemed to come back together from the chaotic questions that lurked in the minds of doubtful fans.
Neverlost - Prior to this song we got some conversation out of Billy. It was along the lines of, "Is everyone having fun? *cheer-yeah* When you think of fun, you think of us. Now here's a fun, sad song called Neverlost." .. sort of amusing ;) Neverlost isn't one of my favorite tunes from the new album, but I think I like the live versions of it between than the studio recording.
Drown - This is the part of the show in which Tom begins to crap his pants. Drown, for those of you not in the nerdy Pumpkins business, is from the soundtrack to Singles (movie). It is also available on the pumpkins' greatest hits CD (Rotten Apples). I'm a really big fan of the song. I like to musical contours, the way the emotionality of the lyrics and of the period from which I remember it are expressed in the guitarwork. All around goodness.
Bring The Light - This song, from the latest album, has only recently been brought out on tour. For a while it was not performed. It's catchy. I like that I suppose. There's a jam-part toward the end of the song of which I'm a really big fan. Some people find the song a little too 'pop', but I'm not opposed to it.
That's The Way (My Love Is) - When they started this song, and my wife figured out what it was, she was incredibly psyched. It's one of her favorites from the new album and I have to admit it's growing on me too. I think what I liked most about this one, was watching her enjoy it.
Stand Inside Your Love - I was pretty impressed and how well the band seemed to come together on this song. I sort of expected it to flop but it provided them ample opportunity to grow in musical unity as a group. (that sounded better in my head)
Tonight, Tonight - I had forgotten that the wife had never gotten the chance to see/hear this song live before. It's definitely an experience. There's something epic and significant about the piece ... there's a sense of ethereal grandeur that seeps into your head as you feel drawn into an experience which you may or may not have anticipated. It's easily one of my favorite 'Illinois-related' songs. Sort of disappointing that we didn't get some sort of roaring cheer after the line "and the embers never fade, in the city by the lake" ... but hey, what do you expect, we're in Minnesota ... lakes aren't that big of a deal here.
Tarantula - The first single off their latest album, this went over quite well ... the crowd on the floor was really into it. There was an ample amount of moshing, crowd surfing, even a bit of slam dancing ... personally I really enjoyed the solo leading into the mid-song interlude. It seemed more developed than it has been thus far on the tour.
Zero - Always a crowd favorite, we really got to see the floor go nuts on this one. It's easy to get into the grove with this song and the auditorium seemed to sync up pretty well as we all joined in on cue for the line "wanna go for a ride." Good times.
Glass & Ghost Children - This song killed the energy contour. Everything seemed to taper and ... fast. It's not one of my favorites, and it has had a little development since its album release on Machina. I'm not sure I'm a big fan of the developmental direction it has taken, but beggars can't be chosers.
1979 (Billy Corgan Solo Acoustic) - This is my wife's favorite Pumpkins song and it was really cool to watch her light up when it was played. She really liked the acoustic numbers, though they were in short supply, and it made me glad that she enjoyed the show. We got a bit of that rock concert cliche moment in when Billy invited the crowd to sing the refrain, but hey ... we all enjoyed it.
Perfect (Billy Corgan & Jimmy Chamberlain Acoustic) - Cue the portion of the show which my wife likes to call, the arm porn song. She was blown away by the size of Jimmy's guns. Seriously ... the man could go into some sort of professional wrestling/flaunt based job if he wanted to. This is another song that my wife liked alot and it was good to hear. It hasn't been played much on the tour thus far, but it really added a nice sense of ambiance.
To Sheila - though not acoustic, this song is also good at uniting the crowd in something other than head banging our minds out ;) It was another one the wife liked, though I tend to like it a lot more when it is done as an acoustic ensemble.
Bullet With Butterfly Wings - Also known to the unnerdy, as 'that rat in a cage song', this got the crowd back up and moving. And boy did they ever. There have been those who question whether Billy still has the 'scream intensity' he once did, and after hearing the Las Vegas recording of this earlier this summer and hearing this in person, let me put those questions to rest. The man must have vocal chords from beyond the grave ... how someone can sing/scream/yell with such intensity night after night ... is beyond me.
Hummer - Though this was not a single off Siamese Dream, it is still one which has the tendency to rally the crowd. My wife was pretty fond of it, which was surprising to me, because it doesn't show up on the car's mp3-cd-mixes that often and it's not one that gets radio play. Still, it's one of my favorites and I was especially blown away by the completely synchronized guitar solo between Billy Corgan and Jeff Schroeder (sp?). They were spot on. It was incredible.
Home - According to other Pumpkins fans online, this song was soundchecked in Colorado for around 25 minutes. Apparently they did a good deal of development with it, as the introduction was not one I noticed. For the first couple of seconds the gears in my head were going like crazy trying to figure out what, in the enormous Pumpkins song library, this song could be. I asked the girl sitting next to me. She ventured the guess that it was Today. I almost laughed in her face. The songs do not sound anywhere near alike, let alone the fact they're in significantly different keys. Once I realized what song it was ... I was even more enthralled. This song has been in my head for a couple months now, as you'll probably recall from my nerdy lyric post here. When we got back from the show, I learned on line that this performance of Home was the first one done since July 19th at the Fillmore. Nice to know they pulled it back into the setlist.
Superchrist - Some people don't like this song. Some people say that it sounds like a reprise of United States. These people do not know how to rock. This song was absolutely bonkers, in all the right ways. It was loud. It was good. It had the drum part from beyond the grave. It made me miss my head-banging hair. It was only surpassed by the fact that it segued into ...
Doomsday Clock - Off the latest album, as well as the Transformers soundtrack, this song is another one of our favorites. It has an opening drum beat and continuing guitar riff that drive you to grove your ass off. It did, however, also provide a bit of humor. Toward the end of the song I told my wife to listen to when Billy sings "this doomsday clock ticking in my heart". Every time, it sounds like he's saying "this doomsday clock ... chicken in my heart". We spiraled into a giggle fit. Good times.
Heavy Metal Machine - This song ... is technically a bit more than you'd expect. On the official Smashing Pumpkins Flickr page, it was referred to as "Heavy Mother Fuckin Metal Machine". If one were to detail the teases, segues, etc. throughout the song ... it would probably be better named as "Heavy Metal Machine > White Rabbit (Jefferson Airplane) > I Love Rock & Roll (Joan Jett) > On The Road Again (Canned Heat)". I'm pretty darn sure my screaming made it onto at least one recording of this. I've heard the Las Vegas version of this, which was mindblowingly nuts. So when I heard the introductory drum beat, I instantly knew what it was and instinctively yelled out at the top of my lungs, HEAVY METAL! Hearing this in person ... was insane. The acoustics in the Roy Wilkins Auditorium are not that great. It was hard to hear the nuances of guitar solos, but being bombarded by the wall of rock was definitely not a bad thing at all. The lungs of Corgan were insanely on for this one also. We got our fair share of conversational lyrics and screaming as well. "You thought we weren't coming back. St. Paul! I thought you knew us better than that!! ... (Billy's Blood Curdling Scream) Kiss My Assssssss!!!!" ... the song was ... killer. When the recordings get released, it's going to go in my 'wake up the neighbors' playlist.
Encore 1: Cherub Rock - An old favorite, everyone went nuts after the first drum roll. The solos were especially fantastic on this one.
Encore 2: With Every Light - This song has been played a few times thus far on the tour but admittedly I wasn't expecting it. Actually, according to a taper who was directly over the soundboard and could see the setlist and according to someone who actually got a copy of the setlist, this song wasn't even slated to be performed. So ... we got treated. Admittedly the song is a bit slower than what one would expect for an encore ... but I really like the overall feel of the piece.
Encore 3: Today - This song was ... just what we wanted. Sure, I'm always in the mood for Starla, or Silverfuck, or The Aeroplane Flies High, but ... this hit the spot. It was especially bad ass when Billy had the whole crowd sing the first verse by ourselves. It was Pumpkins addict-nerd bliss. This song was also not slated to be performed, instead we were going to get Gossamer (a non-album track which ranged from anywhere between 15-35 minutes). I'm not joking ... the song has been recorded at over 30 minutes on multiple occasions ... it's bonkers. Nevertheless, Today was a remarkably appropriate and excellent way to close out the show.

I'm definitely looking forward to running the pictures we took through Photoshop and seeing that I can do to clean them up and crop them for presentability. But i'm especially looking forward to the release of the recordings for this concert. There are, as confirmed by the tapers, three different audio recordings and two different video recordings in the mix so far. I smell a multi-cam DVD in the works!

Billy Corgan quote of the night?: What the fuck is a golden gopher?

NoAlternative
10-04-2007, 10:38 AM
The real problem is that the 'Pumpkins don't get the respect that they should. They were underrated in the nineties and they're underrated now. They were a HUMONGOUS part of the noise/alt/indie movement. They're snug right in there with Sonic Youth, Swervedriver, and the Frogs. Anyone who disagrees can promptly throw on their copy of Pisces Iscariot. Billy wrote some of the best songs in rock n' roll history - not just alternative rock. I'd say they were the Doors of the 90s, or Pink Floyd of the nineties, or Led Zep...however you want to put it.

I had a gig the night after the show and I ended up playing more pumpkins than usual to commemorate my excellent time at the SP show. Hardly a soul clapped after every pumpkins song. It wasn't that I did it badly, it's because people are fucking idiots and only clap when I play a fucking pearl jam song because "everybody" likes pearl jam. I like PJ just as much as the next, but for crying out loud, I wish people would quit making SP the minority. There's so much talent going on in that band it's ridiculous, and tuesday night was proof a hundred times over.

/rant

NoAlternative
10-04-2007, 10:42 AM
So when I heard the introductory drum beat, I instantly knew what it was and instinctively yelled out at the top of my lungs, HEAVY METAL!

I totally heard you. Seriously, clear as a bell at the concert. I was wondering who that was. :rofl:

mayday
10-04-2007, 11:37 AM
The real problem is that the 'Pumpkins don't get the respect that they should. They were underrated in the nineties and they're underrated now. They were a HUMONGOUS part of the noise/alt/indie movement. They're snug right in there with Sonic Youth, Swervedriver, and the Frogs. Anyone who disagrees can promptly throw on their copy of Pisces Iscariot. Billy wrote some of the best songs in rock n' roll history - not just alternative rock. I'd say they were the Doors of the 90s, or Pink Floyd of the nineties, or Led Zep...however you want to put it.

I had a gig the night after the show and I ended up playing more pumpkins than usual to commemorate my excellent time at the SP show. Hardly a soul clapped after every pumpkins song. It wasn't that I did it badly, it's because people are fucking idiots and only clap when I play a fucking pearl jam song because "everybody" likes pearl jam. I like PJ just as much as the next, but for crying out loud, I wish people would quit making SP the minority. There's so much talent going on in that band it's ridiculous, and tuesday night was proof a hundred times over.

/rant

agreed

mayday
10-04-2007, 11:38 AM
nice review Wasabi. Thanks for taking the time to share that! :)

Wasabi
10-04-2007, 11:45 AM
no problemo
that's what insomnia is for

Wasabi
10-04-2007, 11:48 AM
someone married you??? oh jeez
who are you again?

AndySlash
10-04-2007, 12:01 PM
Superchrist - Some people say that it sounds like a reprise of United States. These people do not know how to rock.


Excuse me?

I know how to rock, motherfucker.

:rockon:

Wasabi
10-04-2007, 12:25 PM
Excuse me?

I know how to rock, motherfucker.

:rockon:
:rofl: no offense was intended ... although i could have phrased that a little less pointedly

ciGarski
10-04-2007, 01:59 PM
i think that superchrist was later in the show that this wasn't a issue. and it fucking kicks.

AndySlash
10-04-2007, 02:06 PM
It was the first time I heard it and it sure sounded a bit like US to me. I eventually realized it wasn't, but for a bit there, I was wondering what was going on.

I WAS STILL ROCKING OUT THOUGH

:rockon:

ciGarski
10-04-2007, 02:08 PM
yeah when that bass drum starts hitting sixteenth notes or whatever i about fell over.

ciGarski
10-04-2007, 02:44 PM
i was just joking around too to whoever it was that wanted a couple ticket stubs. pm me your address and ill hook you up.

this goes to anyone who got your ticket taken away.

killtrocity
10-04-2007, 03:27 PM
Billy Corgan quote of the night?: What the fuck is a golden gopher?

:rofl:

mayday
10-04-2007, 03:49 PM
why was he asking about a golden gopher? and what is the answer to his question?

Wasabi
10-04-2007, 04:11 PM
He was asking because well ... its the mascot for MN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Gophers

IWishIWasBlank
10-04-2007, 07:51 PM
I'm curious on how it could be more of 8 or 9.

More favorites on the setlist? Could they do anything in terms of energy/playstyle/etc that could have been better?

For me, the only thing that could've made that show better was if it was a pre-Adore era... Arising! or before.

I saw a tremendous NIN show back in `00 with great visuals, audio, the whole nine, down in Madison. Fantastic.

This is the only concert that could surpass it, and not *JUST* because it was SP.

IWishIWasBlank
10-04-2007, 07:57 PM
dude i went back afterwards because my girl and i forgot to get her a shirt, we were just kinda dome raided from it all and didn't think.

well the doors had closed but on top of the trash cans were about 4 hundred ticket stubs.

i have a stack 2 inches high of ticket stubs.

they took them so you couldn't sneak people into the floor. the target center in minneapolis did the same thing with tool.

Send me a ticket stub back then, Garski. I'll PM you my address.

ciGarski
10-04-2007, 08:30 PM
you got it man, good to see you made it home aright.

NoAlternative
10-04-2007, 08:31 PM
For me, the only thing that could've made that show better was if it was a pre-Adore era... Arising! or before.

I saw a tremendous NIN show back in `00 with great visuals, audio, the whole nine, down in Madison. Fantastic.

This is the only concert that could surpass it, and not *JUST* because it was SP.


I agree. I've been to a few pretty good rock n' roll shows, but this one took the cake. I'm glad I attended this one rather than some other one...I'm positive I made the right decision coming to St. Paul. WHAT a show!

erikmn1
10-04-2007, 11:11 PM
cigarski could you please send me a ticket stub?! i was really bummed to see they took the whole ticket at the door, i can pay for the stamps or whatever i dont care i would jsut really like one

osamy
10-04-2007, 11:16 PM
Riemenshneiderenzeitfuberdeider or whatever his name is really despises glammy gothy electronica-tinged stuff. Hates bands that love Joy Division, and long ago mentioned that he hoped the new Smashing Pumpkins would be a return to hippy rock.

Not to shit on the reviewers for the sake of their negativity, but the tone is so predictably venemous. It's amazing how Corgan brings out the hate in people. The show rocked. It made the Pixies concert at Wilkins a couple years back look timid.

ciGarski
10-05-2007, 09:38 AM
if you guys want ticket stubs ill be more than happy to send you some, the same conditions apply as vanilla.

i had an extra gen admin ticket that i didn't find anyone to buy or give away to. so i have an extra ticket. so, you should mail me an addressed stamped envelope and i'll mail you the extra ticket stub that i have. pm me

IWishIWasBlank
10-05-2007, 10:19 AM
someone married you??? oh jeez

Your avatar is based on a Sid Meier game??? oh jeez.

IWishIWasBlank
10-05-2007, 10:23 AM
Mayday, you seem to get more and more oblivious with every post. You should stop before you devolve into primordial soup.

Edit: Also, I'm not one to roam around Netphoria flaming, but come on. Seriously.

IWishIWasBlank
10-05-2007, 10:27 AM
It was pretty sweet to not have to fork out $10+ to park somewhere.
Parked at a parking ramp. No attendant and improper change when I left. $1.

My wife, ...was enormously amused by watching a fan at the show who purchased a Zeitgeist flag and wore it as a cape.
I can't believe I missed this.

Around 7:30ish 'The Bravery' took the stage. I cannot stress how much these guys suck. The lead 'singer' stumbled around acting/or actually being in a state of intoxication/inebriation. He did all the atrociously cliche 80s punk manuevers; repeatedly knocking over the mic-stand, waiting for some hapless roadie sap to come put it back up, swinging the microphone by its cord and attempting (usually unsuccessfully) to catch it, rolling his ankles and 'dancing'. By dancing ... well it's hard to put into words, basically the best mental image I can provide for you ... is to imagine someone of about Evan's body type, slightly taller, wired on stimulants/etc, doing his best impression of the Jame Gumb dance from the end of Silence of the Lambs (Goodbye Horses ... I'd fuck me ... you know the one). It was bad. He proceeded to, between the atrocious music reminiscient of a blend between the Cure and Oingo Boingo, tell us how they were from New York City. (All I could think was along the lines of the damn Pace Picante commercials ... New York City!?!) But he spoke/sang/blathered in this hideous British accent that made me want to drive nails into my temples. I'll say it again, I cannot stress how much these guys suck.
Dead on.

I'm a little bummed more of us didn't meet up. Sounds like all of us had a great time though... which was the main thing.

IWishIWasBlank
10-05-2007, 10:33 AM
Also a highlight of the show for me. Got into the crowd, was making a push for the front before SP started. Ended up talking to some fellow uber geeks. We were making fun of the guy with the World of Warcraft hat on (backwards,) as I was saying my goal was to be ahead of him.

Then I commented about playing the original Warcraft, and I was just playing the original C&C the other day... then it went as far back as Nintendo... and yes... even Fraction Masters on the Apple IIe computers in middle school.

I don't get to mingle with uber geeks with lives, like these folks seem to have. Like.. they were aware of WOW, but actually had too much going on to play it. Refreshing.

erikmn1
10-05-2007, 01:48 PM
cigarski if you could let me know when your on AIM could you give me an adress i can send the envelope to? thanks alot man

ciGarski
10-05-2007, 03:21 PM
or you could pm me like i said. i don't get on aim that often.


im not going out of my way to get you guys these, if i get a pm, i know you're serious about wanting them and ill give you an address. like i said i have no problem doing it though.

yelims
10-05-2007, 06:44 PM
Your avatar kind of looks like you yelims.

kinda did, i just chopped off all my hair :cry:

ciGarski
10-05-2007, 07:56 PM
good move.

yelims
10-05-2007, 08:08 PM
yeah, something different...
the hair was fried anyways

IWishIWasBlank
10-06-2007, 12:33 PM
I can't wait for the fuckin' DVD of this show.

I think I'll make thread requests on each forum at least once a day.

Wasabi
10-07-2007, 02:00 AM
just so you know, which you probably already do, there's a trading forum thread about this being released in torrent form on thetradersden

AndySlash
10-07-2007, 02:08 AM
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the White Knight's still talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with your head!"
Remember what Billy Corgan said:

feed your head

feed your head

FEED YOUR HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEAAAAAAAD

IWishIWasBlank
10-08-2007, 08:32 AM
I'd like to hear Bill do White Rabbit.

Didn't know about the tradersden forum. I'd like to know when it shows up on the Archive though. And how did your pics turn out?

Wasabi
10-09-2007, 01:32 AM
Some of the songs on the current lineup's new album, "Zeitgeist," also offered less of the bleakness and snarl of the Pumpkins' latter days, including the stormy highlight "Bring the Light" and the gorgeous rocker "Stand Inside Your Love." When the old snarl did come -- with the mega-hit "Bullet With Butterfly Wings" and the new single "Tarantula" -- it still had plenty of bite.

And it took a lot more than Corgan and Chamberlin to pull it off.

This assclown edited his online review. Photo evidence anyone?

<img src="http://forums.netphoria.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32178&stc=1">

JRiordan
10-09-2007, 02:33 AM
http://www.archive.org/details/tsp2007-10-02.mk4.flac16

IWishIWasBlank
10-09-2007, 08:45 AM
Thanks JR. Now I can wait quietly and patiently for the DVD release. Well.. almost quietly and patiently.

Edit: Lineage: R4 > USB
Didn't know there were USB hookups to audio recorders nowadays. Even working in radio I'm way out of the loop.

yelims
10-09-2007, 02:12 PM
This assclown edited his online review. Photo evidence anyone?

<img src="http://forums.netphoria.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32178&stc=1">

from the writing back section of the star tribune:
scroll down to the bit involving the pumpkins review...
gotta love the name :D

http://www.startribune.com/457/story/1465387.html

yelims
10-09-2007, 02:53 PM
the page only loads once before you have to register btw

1100ww
10-10-2007, 09:42 PM
Around 7:30ish 'The Bravery' took the stage. I cannot stress how much these guys suck. The lead 'singer' stumbled around acting/or actually being in a state of intoxication/inebriation. He did all the atrociously cliche 80s punk manuevers; repeatedly knocking over the mic-stand, waiting for some hapless roadie sap to come put it back up, swinging the microphone by its cord and attempting (usually unsuccessfully) to catch it, rolling his ankles and 'dancing'. By dancing ... well it's hard to put into words, basically the best mental image I can provide for you ... is to imagine someone of about Evan's body type, slightly taller, wired on stimulants/etc, doing his best impression of the Jame Gumb dance from the end of Silence of the Lambs (Goodbye Horses ... I'd fuck me ... you know the one). It was bad. He proceeded to, between the atrocious music reminiscient of a blend between the Cure and Oingo Boingo, tell us how they were from New York City. (All I could think was along the lines of the damn Pace Picante commercials ... New York City!?!) But he spoke/sang/blathered in this hideous British accent that made me want to drive nails into my temples. I'll say it again, I cannot stress how much these guys suck.

^^^
horrible, horrible fucking band

nofix
10-11-2007, 07:08 PM
Traveled from Iowa to see the show. I was humbled by the entire experience. I've still got that feeling in my stomach, where I just wish today was 10-02 all over again. What an awesome fucking show...

I was pretty ticked that my ticket was taken, and The Bravery's set was entirely too long. Other than that, another awesome show for the Pumpkins.

ciGarski
10-11-2007, 07:37 PM
ok dudes, if you go to another show in your life time that has gen seating, and they take your ticket, after the show there will be people handing them out. look for them. its not uncommon.

cigarski isn't going to save your asses every time.

IWishIWasBlank
10-11-2007, 08:14 PM
Did I remember to PM you, G? I think I did...

nofix
10-11-2007, 09:05 PM
ok dudes, if you go to another show in your life time that has gen seating, and they take your ticket, after the show there will be people handing them out. look for them. its not uncommon.

cigarski isn't going to save your asses every time.

thanks so much. i seriously can't thank you enough.

though, i will say my state of mind by the end of the show was so focused on billy, and finding my gf ( since we were in a diff state, getting split up kinda sucked ). the ticket at the time wasn't on my mind. i was planning on going back and looking for some. just didn't think of it ;(

if you can hook me up i'd be more than grateful. no words could even express my appreciation.

ciGarski
10-11-2007, 10:50 PM
yeah its not problem man, i live in ames, so ill help an iowa brother out.


and i was pretty distracted after the show too. it was just heavy and i was dazed after it. sober but just overwhelmed

nofix
10-12-2007, 04:45 PM
awesome :)

maybe we can be travel mates to a show sometime.

nofix
10-18-2007, 05:02 PM
Just wanted to say thanks to ciGarski for the ticket stubs - they just arrived in the mail. That was extremely nice of you to go thru all that trouble. I really can't thank you enough.

Thanks a lot.

ciGarski
10-18-2007, 06:11 PM
its my pleasure man. im glad everyone had a good time. if anyone here ever starts to loose faith in pumpkins, just recall this show. they own every time.

IWishIWasBlank
10-18-2007, 08:19 PM
They pwn Garski. pwn.