Just listened to the song for the first time and I've got to say, I like it. No, it's not the best thing Billy has ever done, but it doesn't have to be. It has it's flaws, but I really think its a good song. I actually like the layered vocals and the bridge. I agree with what people have said about it sounding like it could be on the Zero single and that is good by me as I really love those songs. I do think some of the production could be a bit better (symbols seem very trebley and the drums kind of burried) and I do think the lyrics are pretty bad. All in all though, I am really enjoying this song.

This song is a sonic abortion. I'll stick to the live versions.

Laughably bad? What a joke you are! Stop trying to always find something wrong with Billys music! I like this song a lot....not my favorite but good. How in the hell can you not see that? You are still living in the past! The sound different now so get over it....

I would like to think different, but I'm one of those who believes that vocals are going to be definitely the lowpoint of this album, and it's not a matter of evolving or sounding different. It's Billy trying to sing like he knew how to sing. Billy's voice was best when it sounded raw and amateurish, when he could sing sweetly or roar.

During the last minute of 'Doomsday Clock', I've been reminded of the most high-pitched (and worst) Jonathan Davis.

And, in order not to sound like a negative asshole, I can safely say that the song rocks and the effects work. But, the voice... does too much harm.

Fuck, Eff, could you possibly be any more dense?

You've heard two fucking studio tracks, man. Two.

And all I've commented on is "two fucking studio tracks, man. Two."

I like Tarantula. I hate this song and find nothing redeeming about it. I've stated why before, I'm not going through it again. But for you to then make up shit in your own fucked up head that I'm somehow expressing opinions about any of the other songs is just sad and embarrassing considering I haven't even heard them yet. I've never made any specific statements about any of the other songs on this board. I haven't heard them. I repeat -

I haven't heard them.

And really, that opinion comes off as rather snobby. I like listening to indie bands too, but they're capable of having songs that are "ok" or "not bad" or "decent".


Again, you're totally making shit up. There is plenty of music that I like that is in no way shape or form "indie" and I have never, ever, ever made that distinction in my mind, as to what is indie and what isn't. I never in my post said that of all the music I have the opportunity to explore it's all indie, or even mostly indie, or somewhat indie. I can't even really tell you what that word means at this point, and I couldn't go through all of my favorite albums of 2007 and tell you which ones qualified and which ones didn't. I have no idea.

If me liking music I like makes me a "snob" than so be it. You can justify not liking my opinion by making up bullshit along those lines if it makes you feel better but it is all categorically untrue.

But it doesn't change the fact that any band can put out some songs you personally don't like. Take a step back and think about how you are reacting, it's pretty laughable.

I can list my 20 favorite artists of all time and every single one of them will have several songs I don't like. That in no way, shape, or form, changes the fact that my opinion is that Doomsday Clock is terrible.

The thing that is laughable is that you can't take someone's opinion at face value and leave it at that. I don't like the song. At all. And instead of just disagreeing, you feel the need to come up with lots of fucked up, incoherent, flat-out FABRICATED reasons as to why my opinion may be different from yours.

Essentially, you're the perfect embodiment of everything that is wrong with this board. Your fanboy-ism is so astounding that you have to formulate elaborate lies about me and others so you can defend a song that you already admitted yourself you don't think is even that great.

So fuck you. Fuck you for dragging this on and on over one song off of one album we haven't even heard yet. Fuck you for turning this thread into a big clusterfuck of lies and half-truths about people who were only trying to express their honest opinion a single song. Fuck you and fuck your kind for turning this whole board into a vast wasteland of dumbshit Billy Corgan cocksuckers that are so offended by the notion that this song and others like it are simply useless buttrock retreads they can't even take a single person saying "wow this song is garbage" with out accusing them of indie-snobbery, having standards that are just "too high," or simply being so out of touch with all of music that we simply don't like the song because we can't comprehend the style. You are a useless sack of shit that adds nothing to this board, and robs other people of a chance to have intelligent conversation about this band by interrupting any criticism with your own retarded delusions of why you think those criticism could possibly be invalid.

Enjoy being on ignore you presumptuous turd.

I've been extremely optimistic about Zeitgeist since the beginning, but judging by the two songs we've heard thus far, it sounds more and more like they created an album of singles rather than an real album..


Your an idiot. The two songs we've heard are singles douche.

Your an idiot.

.

"And in the eyes of a jackal I say KA-BOOOM"

"The jackals lick their paws..."

SINE?

;) kidding, I don't see what the huge fuss is, I like this song.

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i am kind of surprised at people response. it seems there were a lot of folks that said they thought it was an awesome when they heard it live. now they hear the studio cut they think it is a terrible song. it is, afterall, the same song.

i just dont like the mix... i dont mind the vocals, i dont mind the guitars and i really like the drum sound, it's just a bland mix. it sounds like they eq'd and compressed to make everything fit together then just pulled the faders up- they didnt ride or automate anything.

the drums are totally apocolyptic. the hi-hats sit on top making everything sound like its in a frying pan. the intro sounds like explosions followed by gunfire.

i like the vocal effects in the middle 8 part. that's about it. the vocals overall are just really really bad.

Fuck, Eff, could you possibly be any more dense?



And all I've commented on is "two fucking studio tracks, man. Two."

I like Tarantula. I hate this song and find nothing redeeming about it. I've stated why before, I'm not going through it again. But for you to then make up shit in your own fucked up head that I'm somehow expressing opinions about any of the other songs is just sad and embarrassing considering I haven't even heard them yet. I've never made any specific statements about any of the other songs on this board. I haven't heard them. I repeat -

I haven't heard them.



Again, you're totally making shit up. There is plenty of music that I like that is in no way shape or form "indie" and I have never, ever, ever made that distinction in my mind, as to what is indie and what isn't. I never in my post said that of all the music I have the opportunity to explore it's all indie, or even mostly indie, or somewhat indie. I can't even really tell you what that word means at this point, and I couldn't go through all of my favorite albums of 2007 and tell you which ones qualified and which ones didn't. I have no idea.

If me liking music I like makes me a "snob" than so be it. You can justify not liking my opinion by making up bullshit along those lines if it makes you feel better but it is all categorically untrue.



I can list my 20 favorite artists of all time and every single one of them will have several songs I don't like. That in no way, shape, or form, changes the fact that my opinion is that Doomsday Clock is terrible.

The thing that is laughable is that you can't take someone's opinion at face value and leave it at that. I don't like the song. At all. And instead of just disagreeing, you feel the need to come up with lots of fucked up, incoherent, flat-out FABRICATED reasons as to why my opinion may be different from yours.

Essentially, you're the perfect embodiment of everything that is wrong with this board. Your fanboy-ism is so astounding that you have to formulate elaborate lies about me and others so you can defend a song that you already admitted yourself you don't think is even that great.

So fuck you. Fuck you for dragging this on and on over one song off of one album we haven't even heard yet. Fuck you for turning this thread into a big clusterfuck of lies and half-truths about people who were only trying to express their honest opinion a single song. Fuck you and fuck your kind for turning this whole board into a vast wasteland of dumbshit Billy Corgan cocksuckers that are so offended by the notion that this song and others like it are simply useless buttrock retreads they can't even take a single person saying "wow this song is garbage" with out accusing them of indie-snobbery, having standards that are just "too high," or simply being so out of touch with all of music that we simply don't like the song because we can't comprehend the style. You are a useless sack of shit that adds nothing to this board, and robs other people of a chance to have intelligent conversation about this band by interrupting any criticism with your own retarded delusions of why you think those criticism could possibly be invalid.

Enjoy being on ignore you presumptuous turd.

i think you need to find a new favorite band cause this is pure pumpkins

and i cant believe people dont like the vocals...i think they sound great...billy is singing better than ever...im pretty sure SP vocals have never been so clear through the music before...and i think the layering of the vocals kinda sums up the sound of the record...i think its great

His singing sounds pretty nasty to me. He didnt scream on Gish, SD, Adore, actually he never really screamed on any albums. His singing is not as good as it used to be imo, it's too "cute".


Have you ever heard of a little album called Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness??

My only qualm is that it's missing a solo.

Agreed. That would have been nice but the soul burning soloing in tarantula wil have to do for now.

I wish we could all just hug.

The jackals lick their balls...

im pretty sure SP vocals have never been so clear through the music beforewell there's a good reason for that, he doesn't have a particularly strong voice

Everyone who thinks this is a below average pumpkins song is a fucking moron as well as everyone who thinks this is an above average pumpkins song is a fucking moron.

Also, suprisingly, some of you who fall into neither catagory are fucking morons as well.

as i said, i'm not going to judge an album on the basis of two songs. "bleeding the orchid" is fantastic, and i'm looking forward to hearing a few of the others on the record, too. i think this song sucks, so what? there's really not much to read into about me on the basis of that.

this is complete mischaracterisation and i'm not going to indulge it. we're done here
There's nothing to mischaracterize. You're a nitpicky SP fan yearning for something better and trying to find anything you think is great in the background ooh's and ahh's in the songs. You're grasping for straws yet using it to justify your stale negative opinion. Let it go.

Have you ever heard of a little album called Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness??

This is a really good point - there is so much vocal variety on every SP album - I bet "your" idealized version of what Corgan should sound like is only 1 of 100 vocal styles he's had so far. If anything, this variety is a compliment.

Considering SP's international span, and the fact that well..the whole world is so much smaller, its a bad move on WB's part to have put this up on iTunes US only. Thanks to whoever put the link up.

THe song? A little underwhelming. I was expecting much more seeing as most people were raving about it. But at least its deflated my Implosion-inflated expectations to a normal level. I like it. I just dont find it...new. Its not as refreshing as Tarantula was.

I stand by my review -- remember the scores I gave the tracks were relative to each other, not their entire catalog. It's a good opener for the album. It's not particularly flashy or dynamic, but it sets the stage for the rest of the songs.

I stand by my review -- remember the scores I gave the tracks were relative to each other, not their entire catalog. It's a good opener for the album. It's not particularly flashy or dynamic, but it sets the stage for the rest of the songs.

Ya man...it was the best review we've gotten so far, though it definitely got me WAY too excited. Hahaha. :D

Has a very "Bodies" sound, riffs and vocals in particular.

Hey ravenguy,


Between the internet and all the great record stores around me and all the great music venues around me I just don't have time for music that is "ok" or "not bad" or "decent."
This is what kinda made me assume you are a total snob. If it's not true, you have no one but yourself to blame.

I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR DOOMSDAY CLOCK BECAUSE I GOTTA RUN DOWN THE STREET TO THE RECORD STORE AND BUY THE NEW XIU XIU CD!!!!!!

<lkj>

:rockon:

Fuck you too.

I wanna hear it too :(

i think you need to find a new favorite band cause this is pure pumpkins

and i cant believe people dont like the vocals...i think they sound great...billy is singing better than ever...im pretty sure SP vocals have never been so clear through the music before...and i think the layering of the vocals kinda sums up the sound of the record...i think its great
Careful now, you might be a fanboy in the eyes of ravenguy, what ever will we do.

Fuck me too then, cause he's pretty much dead on in that post.

I wanna hear it too :(

Mycah, I've seen you on realcavsfans.com too - I'm a regular on there :)

My mom even liked it. :D

Thats a fairly common username.

Hey ravenguy,


This is what kinda made me assume you are a total snob. If it's not true, you have no one but yourself to blame.

I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR DOOMSDAY CLOCK BECAUSE I GOTTA RUN DOWN THE STREET TO THE RECORD STORE AND BUY THE NEW XIU XIU CD!!!!!!


there is a difference between snobbery and the enjoyment of quality



also, your apparent casual attitude toward assumption is something that probably gets you into trouble alot. does that get old or are you just usually too naive to even catch what's going on?

there is a difference between snobbery and the enjoyment of quality
Either way, you make a statement like that and you shouldn't have a hissy fit if people call you a snob.

Doomsday Clock is freaking amazing. Almost better than Tarantula. We take everything for granted here; this is some of the best music to come out of the industry in years. It sounds like classic Pumpkins while sounding like something we've never heard from them. All I'm upset about is that the atmosphere is gone. God, I FUCKING hate Netphoria. Why I'm here is beyond me.

Either way, you make a statement like that and you shouldn't have a hissy fit if people call you a snob.


it's like trying to reason with robert smith's hair

1:04 "The jackals lick their balls."
sounds like maws

this is some of the best music to come out of the industry in years.


whoa guys i didn't know Hyperbole was back!

Why I'm here is beyond me.

a lot of people feel that way about you

Ravenguy=NOT A PUMPKINS FAN!

it's like trying to reason with robert smith's hair
I know you're stuck on yourself and think you have an answer for everything, but quite frankly his "I don't have time for Doomsday Clock, gotta run to the store lulz" comment was fucking laughable. He has no room to talk about ME saying stupid shit after dropping that line.

I know why I'm here it's fun watching douchebags fight.

I have a delicious looking ribeye steak waiting to be grilled in the fridge for dinner tonight.

But I'm starting to think my standards are a bit too high, maybe I'll run down to Mickey D's instead.

jesus fucking christ, everything you have been saying in this thread, eff, is laughable

Okay I like the guitars between the first chorus and second verse too.

Actually the points I have made are quite valid.

I'm suddenly feeling compelled to listen to every album Rolling Stone has rated 3 stars this month.

This is all really going to be quite liberating. Listening to music I don't like is pretty freeing, I can even tolerate FM radio again.

And I'm going to be able to prune the heck out of my Itunes library.

I would also argue that while I'm not the perfect example of a brainless fanboy, ravenguy is the perfect example of someone who is never satisfied with anything Billy Corgan does, and almost always has to find a problem with a new song. He contributes to the lack of good discussion on this board because his posts are polluted with "wah wah I'm tired of waiting for Billy to be good, let's complain some more and anyone who has a positive point of view is getting in my way."

Hey ravenguy,


This is what kinda made me assume you are a total snob. If it's not true, you have no one but yourself to blame.

I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR DOOMSDAY CLOCK BECAUSE I GOTTA RUN DOWN THE STREET TO THE RECORD STORE AND BUY THE NEW XIU XIU CD!!!!!!

this doesn't even make any sense. he prefers listening to music that he likes a lot over music that he finds only decent. that makes him a snob? and i don't like xiu xiu either, but i don't see what that has to do with anything. there's lots and lots of music out there. if the new pumpkins doesn't excite you very much then why shouldn't you go look for something that does instead of going 'oh well, i guess this will have to do. praise you billy, for your blessings of decent music'.

guys, spin voted this album half a star better than white stripes, with songs like this (including your personal opinions of them) what does it say about their album? :erm:

no solo, vocals a bit too unmixed, but other than that...it's a solid album opener.

Here I am sitting at my computer. What song to play next?

I mean, I like tarantula pretty well. I even put that on a CD and I listen to it in my car.

Or I could listen to Doomsday Clock but I don't like that one.

Hmmmm. Which one is less indie, guys? Should I make a poll?

Which one is xiu xiu most likely to cover?

Actually the points I have made are quite valid.

they are? :erm:

this doesn't even make any sense. he prefers listening to music that he likes a lot over music that he finds only decent. that makes him a snob? and i don't like xiu xiu either, but i don't see what that has to do with anything. there's lots and lots of music out there. if the new pumpkins doesn't excite you very much then why shouldn't you go look for something that does instead of going 'oh well, i guess this will have to do. praise you billy, for your blessings of decent music'.

if the new pumpkins doesn't excite you then you really shouldn't be arguing with someone who likes the song...there's just no good outcome from any of this.

this doesn't even make any sense. he prefers listening to music that he likes a lot over music that he finds only decent. that makes him a snob? and i don't like xiu xiu either, but i don't see what that has to do with anything. there's lots and lots of music out there. if the new pumpkins doesn't excite you very much then why shouldn't you go look for something that does instead of going 'oh well, i guess this will have to do. praise you billy, for your blessings of decent music'.
Actually of all the songs I've heard, as previously stated, DC is the one I'm not too crazy about. Everything else I'm basically thrilled with.

And the Xiu Xiu thing was a joke, obviously. For him to state he more or less doesn't have the time to listen to something "ok" or "decent" to him, because he'd rather go to the record store, or pirate something else (because that's like, so hard) is retarded.

Also if the new album doesn't excite him that much -- and according to him everything Machina and afterwards pretty much hasn't -- then why is he even posting on a SP messageboard

at least its not ztellar or stellarz

The problem here is that Starz is awesome, so...I say, let's have more Z'z. Maybe "Doomzday Clawk" would have been met with a better reaction...

hey you guys, listen...









DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS








i mean, really.... :noway:

I've said my piece, but I'm not gonna let ravenguy say I somehow misunderstood him, when in reality he's the one coming off as some snobby prick who can't be bothered with anything less than extraordinary.

Tarantula is way better than Doomsday Clock, which is very not awesome, not very bad but not great.

this song reminds me of heavy metal machine, except that that chord progression is like the most obvious and lazy one he could've picked. it's kind of okay, normally i don't mind that if it's played with passion, but billy's already written this song

anyway what did SPIN give Zeitgeist?

ahaha that breakdown section is really gay though

I know you guys are wondering, and I chose to listen to Doomsday Clock.

I mean I dislike it more with every listen, but I can feel the snobbery running out of me.

It kinda feels like you have to pee.

anyway what did SPIN give Zeitgeist?

3 1/2 out of 5 i believe. im not sure if spin is 4 or 5 stars but it's def a 3 1/2 either way

this song reminds me of heavy metal machine, except that that chord progression is like the most obvious and lazy one he could've picked. it's kind of okay, normally i don't mind that if it's played with passion, but billy's already written this song

Different chords,rhythm,lyrics. Eh?

Sure, whatever that means.

since when has the singing really mattered that much in the music of the Pumpkins? The main reason why the mass public world of unenlightened people doesn't like Corgan is becasue of his 'voice.'

I just picked up an old issue of SPIN from last year, the highest I saw was four stars. Which means it's either out of four, or five is extremely rare (which makes sense).

Either way, that's pretty damn good. Especially considering the fact that SPIN has written some pretty negative things about Corgan in the past couple years (remember that editorial they wrote about SP at the end of one of their issues)?

thats what i read in a thread on here a few weeks back so if it turns out to be they lied or something nobody blame me! The fact that it beat icky thump either means icky thump must rancid or corgan has a lot more in store for the album.

Spin's review of Icky Thump is wrong though. album is awesome. picking it up today.

hey you guys, listen...
DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS

i mean, really.... :noway:

i'm all for ending this, but it isn't about that. i'm not arguing about whether the song is good or not. i don't have a problem with his opinion of the song. i just have a problem with him being offended by people criticizing billy and i think his idea that you should just shut up and be happy about the music even if you only think it's ok is total bullshit

Different chords,rhythm,lyrics. Eh?
don't worry about it

i think for their reunion article they said the band had some pretty good chances that corgan would have a fit and break up the band mid tour or something to that likes, didnt they?

Oh, wait:

***** - Classic
**** - Excellent
*** - Good
** - Fair
* - Poor

This is right under the Black Parade review, which got four stars (yuck)

Wow....this song on headphones?? SOOOO much better! Its hitting me like a ton of bricks.

i'm all for ending this, but it isn't about that. i'm not arguing about whether the song is good or not. i don't have a problem with his opinion of the song. i just have a problem with him being offended by people criticizing billy and i think his idea that you should just shut up and be happy about the music even if you only think it's ok is total bullshit
you are completely missing the point of the argument.

I'm not offended if ravenguy hates Corgan, that's his problem. I'm annoyed at the logic people like him (not just him) often use to defend their claims. What I'm saying is if you hate his music that bad it's just time to give up, because people like him (again, not just him) have been saying the same kind of shit for nearly a decade now.

honestly 3 1/2 stars is better than i ever could have hoped for this album. I expected it to be a total fucking flop and for corgan to pack it in right away but it seems to be at the very least half decent. If jeff and ginger do wind up joining the band im interested to hear what their next album will sound like.

actually, when i look back on it, im surprised corgan didn't quit the idea of a new revival and album when james decided he didn't want to be involved. He soldiered forward in the face of adversity with pretty much all of the odds against him and he didn't do half bad so far.

since when has the singing really mattered that much in the music of the Pumpkins? The main reason why the mass public world of unenlightened people doesn't like Corgan is becasue of his 'voice.'

I dont like his singing on these new tracks. Go fuck yourself.

Well it's not like SPIN has the final say in album reviews, they did after all give MCR's latest album four stars. But I agree, a 3.5 from SPIN, a publication that has ripped on Corgan quite often in the past couple years, says something.

Even Pitchfork briefly said in an article about the band (I think it was the theft one) that songs on the album are "actually good" or something like that. For Pitchfork to say that about SP in 2007 is huge. Even if they give Zeitgeist a decent review at best, that's a big deal.

honestly 3 1/2 stars is better than i ever could have hoped for this album. I expected it to be a total fucking flop and for corgan to pack it in right away but it seems to be at the very least half decent. If jeff and ginger do wind up joining the band im interested to hear what their next album will sound like.
why does one review from a magazine convince you that the album isn't a total fucking flop?

Mainly the fact that SPIN has been really hard on Billy recently

I dont like his singing on these new tracks. Go fuck yourself.

dude i was only clairifying a statement.
stop jumping down people's throats and looking like a fuckbag in the process.

lol vitaldust you're a real piece of shit, you know that?

many other reviews have expressed the same sentiment in publications or on websites that have been posted around here. It's good but it's not great. Fine. It's his first album back in 7 years, anything above total fucking ball suck means that he's on the right track for success down the line.

you know whats fun? making up insults by adding fuck before an inanimate object.

some examples:
fuckbag
fuckbox
fuckcouch

you try!

i'd be happier if everyone gave the album 1 star or 1/10, then i'd be more inclined to listen to it and would at least show that it had some ability to polarise opinion...3.5/5 just means mediocre

and mediocre is worse than bad

Just heard it and this song is AWESOME!!!! I didn't like Machina or TFE so there are some things I have not liked from Billy.

I have a lot of hope for this album after hearing the first two singles.

i mean, it's the glass half empty/glass half full idea. You can either look at the things wrong about the song or you can try and look at some of the things right with it. At least it's not some kind of Fall Out Boy "dah tah in a lulleurah" nonsense.

celluloid, I just flipped through three issues of SPIN, not one of them had a five star review. Not one. Five stars is extremely rare in this mag. Four stars is the typical "awesome" album rating. SP fell .5 short of that.

i'd be happier if everyone gave the album 1 star or 1/10, then i'd be more inclined to listen to it and would at least show that it had some ability to polarise opinion...3.5/5 just means mediocre

and mediocre is worse than bad

i disagree, i'd rather have 50 cents than be stone cold broke.

I dont like his singing on these new tracks. Go fuck yourself.


i havent been impressed with the singing either.

Bill just fucking sing into a mike with a little reverb and call it a day.

Tarantula sounds so flat and compressed and the snippet of DC sounds the same.

lol vitaldust you're a real piece of shit, you know that?
:rofl:

oh well, im going out to annoy my friends with a cd of Doomsday Clock, cheers to you guys!

bad analogy there Floppy Nono

bad analogy there Floppy Nono

analogies aside, i don't believe bad is something better to achieve than mediocre.

bad analogy there Floppy Nono
Your original statement wasn't that great either. Again, there aren't many five star reviews in this mag, SP fell .5 short of the highest rating you will see in most issues. This is nothing to complain about.

it's like trying to reason with robert smith's hair

A gem, folks.

analogies aside, i don't believe bad is something better to achieve than mediocre.
i think you will understand in time

i havent been impressed with the singing either.

Bill just fucking sing into a mike with a little reverb and call it a day.

Tarantula sounds so flat and compressed and the snippet of DC sounds the same.

i think the singing is fine
i also think its ironic that people are hating on the song for the same reason that made the band unique, being of course his inabilty to sing.

you are completely missing the point of the argument.

I'm not offended if ravenguy hates Corgan, that's his problem. I'm annoyed at the logic people like him (not just him) often use to defend their claims. What I'm saying is if you hate his music that bad it's just time to give up, because people like him (again, not just him) have been saying the same kind of shit for nearly a decade now.

if his opinion doesn't bother you then why do you think he should 'defend his claims'? but it's not like he hates everything. he just said he likes tarantula, so right there is a reason why he would still be interested in the band. it's not like i think sp2 is complete and utter shit either, but just because that's not enough to make me happy and excited it doesn't mean that i can't have any interest in or a reaction to a new song coming out. i believe billy is still capable of making awesome music so i think it's ok for me to hope for that and to criticize his music where i feel it's appropriate. i think that's a lot more constructive than just going 'yay, a new song that billy made' no matter what. but anyway when the next christina aguilera song comes out and i think it sucks, will it bother you if i react by saying 'man! this really fucking sucks!' even though i wasn't expecting to be blown away?

YEAH THE REASON THE SMASHING PUMPKINS WERE UNIQUE WAS BILLY'S INABILITY TO SING THAT'S SOME GOOD FUCKING WELL-RESEARCHED REASONING THERE VITALDUST, YOU PIECE OF SHIT

YEAH THE REASON THE SMASHING PUMPKINS WERE UNIQUE WAS BILLY'S INABILITY TO SING THAT'S SOME GOOD FUCKING WELL-RESEARCHED REASONING THERE VITALDUST, YOU PIECE OF SHIT

SO WHY ARE YOU FUCKING COMPLAINING ABOUT HIM NOT SINGING WELL YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE?

what? where did i complain about him not singing well?

i think the singing is fine
i also think its ironic that people are hating on the song for the same reason that made the band unique, being of course his inabilty to sing.

It's not the singing, it's the strangely overt vocal layering that sounds weird on this track.

I wouldn't say that billy can't sing btw, he just has a unique voice.

It's not about the quality of his singing, it's this individual performance that sounds bored and ambivalent.

And like it was said 1000 times before, it's mixed/produced weirdly.

if his opinion doesn't bother you then why do you think he should 'defend his claims'? but it's not like he hates everything. he just said he likes tarantula, so right there is a reason why he would still be interested in the band.
because he likes one song? He's been let down by everything since Machina. These "fans" need to step back and ask themselves why they are anything beyond a casual fan. If I felt like ravenguy did, I wouldn't be posting here

I love the voice. It has a very "COLD" sound to it and it fits the music perfectly.

it's this individual performance that sounds bored and ambivalent.

And like it was said 1000 times before, it's mixed/produced weirdly.

i did get an apathetic vibe from the vocals too, but maybe thats the point.

it is wierdly produced (1001)...like he's singing in the other room again.

It sounds like he's telling a story. I like it.

because he likes one song? He's been let down by everything since Machina. These "fans" need to step back and ask themselves why they are anything beyond a casual fan. If I felt like ravenguy did, I wouldn't be posting here

once again.

have you stepped back yet?

Yes, and I love mostly everything Corgan has done this decade, and I'm not a little nitpicky bitch about every single thing he puts out

Now shut the fuck up and go away

ugh vitaldust your opinions are so worthless, i don't know why you even bother

Alright, so I think its a good song. It didn't hit me as hard as Tarantula did, that song won me over when I first heard it. It could have been because it was the first new one since 2000, but whatever. It isn't as fast as the live version, no problem there. I LOVE when the second guitar hits in much depper and darker in the intro, AWESOME. I like it, and it might grow on those that don't!

i just got era vulgaris and ickythump (both are really good on first quick listen)
together with doomsday its been a musical morning

Wow....this song on headphones?? SOOOO much better! Its hitting me like a ton of bricks.

i didnt like it until i heard it in headphones

Yes, and I love mostly everything Corgan has done this decade, and I'm not a little nitpicky bitch about every single thing he puts out

Now shut the fuck up and go away

:rolleyes:

I'm not trying to incite anything. You get mad too easily my friend.

ugh vitaldust your opinions are so worthless, i don't know why you even bother

why because i think the song is good?

you didn't say anything bad about his singing, i apologize, that was mccrick. But you insulted my internet ego after my comment defending the singing, therefore I concluded that b/c of your interjection you held the same opinion that I was speaking against.

I don't see why some people here have to be so grumpy.

I can't say that I like it, but its listenable, at least once. It's definitely sub par pumpkins, but a little bit better than the modern "rock" music that's out now. On a pumpkins standard, the song sucks. Plain and simple.

come on bryan! must you be so pessimistic! lol jk i pretty much agree

using big words for no reason makes you look stupider than you would otherwise vitaldust, it's a valuable lesson, keep it in mind

its just sad when theres no snarls or breaks in his voice. like when he goes, "you should want it all" that would be the perfect place for a corgan scream. what is he doing? the songs ok.

i think the singing is fine
i also think its ironic that people are hating on the song for the same reason that made the band unique, being of course his inabilty to sing.


I think he has done a fine job of singing in the past on all his releases.

it's the only thing i'm not sold on yet.

But I will reserve final judgement until i have had the album for a few months and really soak it all in.

Nice song. I like it better then tarantula, but I can see why tarantula was picked for first song ( Hey! Look at me! I can still rawkk!! )

I think a lot of people ( a lot here ) have to realise that things change and people change... It's been more then a decade since MCIS and you can't expect songs to sound like them... Billy is 40 now and spent the last decade being filthy rich and living at the shade of two of the greatest 90s records so you can't expect him to write the same songs he wrote on his twentys with the "problems" of a young adult, the loss of his mother his girlfriends/wife (ex-wife) etc... Things will never be the same, get over it and stop comparing it. Radiohead, Sonic Youth, Pearl Jam, Red hot, silverchair.. they all changed... I bet nirvana wouldn't be playing smells like teen spiritish songs if kurt was alive... Bands change, the world changes, the musical scene changes, they get older and their music evolves, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse. Why are people making saying stuff on new songs like "sounds a bit like BWBW but nahh... can't match it!" or "Reminds of today, I like it" since Adore ? Judge the songs for what they are and not for how they relate with songs who are 10+ years old.

Bands change, the ones who don't either colapse or get forgotten as "they always sound the same.. bahh"

like you care!

using big words for no reason makes you look stupider than you would otherwise vitaldust, it's a valuable lesson, keep it in mind

haha what big words did i use? 'interjection' 'concluded?'

and...stupider is not a word. so use real ones if you want to look even slightly intelligent.

TO ALL:

What was the public opinion of Bullet with Butterfly Wings when it came out?

Now it's one of the Pumpkins all time greats.

Fucking topic closed.

TO ALL:

What was the public opinion of Bullet with Butterfly Wings when it came out?

Now it's one of the Pumpkins all time greats.

Fucking topic closed.

I think BWBW is ok, but many netphorians don't like it.

i think its okay

i liked it a lot more when i was 15 over the radio while my friend's parents drove us to the movies, but it still has some appeal.

because he likes one song? He's been let down by everything since Machina. These "fans" need to step back and ask themselves why they are anything beyond a casual fan. If I felt like ravenguy did, I wouldn't be posting here

i imagine there's more to it than just liking that song, but i think it's up to him to decide how much interest he has in the band and i don't think you should be telling him how much of a fan he is. but even if you are just a casual fan why shouldn't you have an opinion about the music and discuss it here, if that's something you like to do? if you care enough to have an opinion then you do care about the band and i think that's reason enough to voice it. i don't understand why that bothers you so much. you're like the 'if you don't like it, go to russia!' people of netphoria.

yes. the point of 'a forum' is to discuss various opinions, not to homogenize the rhetoric

yes. the point of 'a forum' is to discuss various opinions, not to homogonize the rhetoric

i might be getting my terms confused, but isn't that what you do to milk?

omg some of those vocal effects are really lame.. :(
I'm used to the faster live version as well...
hm.

TO ALL:

What was the public opinion of Bullet with Butterfly Wings when it came out?

Now it's one of the Pumpkins all time greats.

Fucking topic closed.

Public opinion was that it was fucking amazing. What's your point?

i might be getting my terms confused, but isn't that what you do to milk?

in milk, its to make the liquid a uniform consistency

so it means the same thing

got ya

omg @ around 2:30... sorry but those effects are so lame.

yeah i think i agree

could have used a james' raygunsolo here

Sounds pretty beastly with headphones, as one poster mentioned. Thought it was pretty crappy when I first listened to it with my laptop speakers. Very bassy song.

This song sounds 100% fucking awesome with nice speakers and subwoofer. Even in a car.

But on almost any pair of headphones I've listened to it on sounds like total shit. His vocals stick out very badly with phones, but my nice speaker set up it's not bad at all. In fact it sounds really really good.

I'm voting this song is not as good as tarantula, but it still kicks ass, depending on how you listen.

I don't know if this was already mentioned, but "Doomsday" is now available on OiNK.

http://oink.me.uk/details.php?id=1364100

if only oink opened their registration... ( well probably better not or it'd be crowded with leechers )

Not that I haven't heard the song but an Oink acc would be nice. Does anyone here have an invite to spare ?

I am not going to read 22 pages just to see if someone has made this all-too-obvious comparison

But I keep expecting to hear Billy go "CLICK CLICK BOOM"

Which one is xiu xiu most likely to cover?

WWXXC?

I don't know if this was already mentioned, but "Doomsday" is now available on OiNK.

http://oink.me.uk/details.php?id=1364100

Oink sucks and is run by a bunch of backward ass wanks. Take a look at this blamo thread instead... http://blamonet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=110886&page=2

Oink sucks and is run by a bunch of backward ass wanks. Take a look at this blamo thread instead... http://blamonet.com/vb/showthread.php?t=110886&page=2

its already in this thread, no need to go elsewhere

thanks for the link brendo. i've listened to it once, on headphones and it is good, better than i expected. the main riff is okay and i can't even fault the vocals that much, although a more aggressive delivery would work better. is it (or tarantula) on a par with mid-90s pumpkins? no, but they will never produce that consistent level of quality again. if i was expecting that i'd no doubt have been disappointed.

i imagine there's more to it than just liking that song, but i think it's up to him to decide how much interest he has in the band and i don't think you should be telling him how much of a fan he is. but even if you are just a casual fan why shouldn't you have an opinion about the music and discuss it here, if that's something you like to do? if you care enough to have an opinion then you do care about the band and i think that's reason enough to voice it. i don't understand why that bothers you so much. you're like the 'if you don't like it, go to russia!' people of netphoria.
he can post here if he wants, I'm saying he's wasting his fucking time. If he wants to waste more and post about SP all the time even though he's primarily been let down by just about every single thing he's done in the past 7-8 years or so, that's pathetic

I'm not petitioning to ban people like him, just questioning their motives

This is my guess for the concert venue in Normal IL

http://www.nvultralounge.com/contact_us/index.php

fuckin stroke 9 is playing there on june 23.. just don't expect to get your bloody black backpack back!

http://www.nvultralounge.com/events/index.php

:noway:

they will probably play on ISU's campus like Zwan did in 2003.

that place has nifty orange carpetting. :smoke: see you there!

screaming his kimono off

:rofl:

are you a stand up comedian? do you have recordings?

Please listen to song number 5 (Thank You for Hating Me) here:

http://www.mp3search.ru/album.aspx?id=11160&fid=154526

The part starting at 0:06 from the Thumb song clip is exactly the same thing as that part from Doomsday Clock starting at 1:07, except it's faster and tuned higher. Even the vocals follow the same pattern.

Very funny.

Sounds like Billy recorded the vocals whilst laying back on a recliner, stroking one, or more, of his cats.


that;s what i thought too! he sounds so content and lazy

There's nothing to mischaracterize. You're a nitpicky SP fan yearning for something better and trying to find anything you think is great in the background ooh's and ahh's in the songs. You're grasping for straws yet using it to justify your stale negative opinion. Let it go.
again with the mischaracterising. i genuinely like the vocal harmonies. i don't like the song but i like those. i don't need to like them ffs. that's not grasping at straws, that's an honest appraisal. you're the one who needs to let this go. you don't see me having a go at you for having low standards do you?

"nitpicky" / "stale negative opinion" — really classy.

Damn it. Looks like I lost my flaming power. No one cares about me anymore.

I upped the pitch of Doomsday Clock using audio software and it's the same fucking riff.

um..no NYC date? i dont understand

k

I dont think so.

What? How can someone not hear that it's the exact same fucking riff?

No, it's true. It's *exactly* the same. Even the lyrics are the same.

No, it's true. It's *exactly* the same. Even the lyrics are the same.

You guys are cruel. Oh wait. No I AM cruel. So go to hell and continue complaining that the production is dry.

The "poor german band" sounds like eleventy billion others, they're probably ripping off someone as well...

From "sounds like" to rip off goes a considerable step... Same chord progression ? yeah... Rip off ? No

Nice ear tho... Wouldn't have noticed it...

The "poor german band" sounds like eleventy billion others, they're probably ripping off someone as well...

From "sounds like" to rip off goes a considerable step... Same chord progression ? yeah... Rip off ? No

Nice ear tho... Wouldn't have noticed it...

I was kidding about the rip-off thing.

Oh and thanks for admitting the generic nature of Doomsday Clock.

would anyone consider sharing the song?

you can make a song with 3 chords sound differenly from all the others with the same 3 chords... There are like 30000 songs with G/E/C/D progression and still many sound different...

the harmonies are really nice. i dont understand why the lead vocal is so shitty... it's almost making me think its a trick.

if this motherfucker had done that breathy SD thing and then screamed parts of it this song couldve been awesome.

you can make a song with 3 chords sound differenly from all the others with the same 3 chords... There are like 30000 songs with G/E/C/D progression and still many sound different...

I'm a professional music writer, and it' probably the reason why i detected that "rip-off" so easily. Too bad I can't listen to Doomsday Clock without hearing the song from Thumb. I liked that band a lot when I was younger.

It's as if Tarantula began with the intro riff from Enter Sandman.

But thanks anyways!

quit your day job.

The more I hear it the more annoying his voice gets. Which is kind of hard to believe. Why does Billy have this ever changing voice. He has changed it every album aside from gish and SD. Maybe after I hear the whole album I'll change my mind about this song. Now I know what that sound engineer was talking about. When he said the album should have been an instrumental. So far I fear that he was right.

quit your day job.

What do you do for a living? Work in a call center I guess? My day job is not writing music. It's making shitloads of money off stupid people like you.

damn, the vocal mix DOES sound a ton better in headphones. At first I just listened to it cranked up on speakers, and the verse vocals sounded way too on top. The guitars are really awesome in this song.

^ yeah i had a similar experience... i think that means the mastering job was poor.

this song would sound amazing with SD style mutron biphase vocals, I'm thinkin' Quiet. Why does Billy have to sing like such a pussy. It doesn't fit the music at all.

yeah thats what im saying. SD vocal production on this shit and it would be outstanding. terry date and RTB so far have done piss poor jobs with the production...

ah!!!! please!!! anyone!??!!? link me???!?

finally got it thanks guys

For sure, the guitar definitely sounds like classic pumpkins but Bills voice so far is really lazy sounding. I would rather have his Zwan voice back then this TFE sounding shit.

lead vocals are kinda lame but i really like the backing vocals. the part were it sounds like he's singing into a garbage can i lame though.

Doomsday clock has real attitude...it totally shreds...the only thing i can think is how sweet this is going to be on vinyl...i can't wait to convert it to MONO...this song should be remixed into oblivion...like the cars' panorama...

this song would sound amazing with SD style mutron biphase vocals, I'm thinkin' Quiet. Why does Billy have to sing like such a pussy. It doesn't fit the music at all.

Why does everyone assume that was Mutron? I have it on good authority that they actually hung Billy from the roof and swung him between two microphones. James and D'arcy were so busy swinging Billy, that they didn't manage to find the time to record their parts.

Wow, now I really regret my pre-order. It's even worse than Tarantula...

Where the fuck are you when I need you, Bolly Morrison.

Songs alright, only problem is that billys vocals sound like he lost his balls.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ir2uqm

Enjoy.

already done, buddy

Trotsky, ban this fool.

FOR THE LAST TIME!!!

FIREFOX WITH ADBLOCK.

my mom says it sounds like Jimi Hendrix.....hmmm

It sounded a whole lot better cranked up at the listening party in Chicago

this song would sound amazing with SD style mutron biphase vocals, I'm thinkin' Quiet. Why does Billy have to sing like such a pussy. It doesn't fit the music at all.
wat the fuk r u smokin dawg :D :smoke:

Finally heard the song after reading this thread all day.

The Song is good.

Vocal PRODUCTION not so good.

halfway through the song you don't notice as much but

the vocals are very loud and they just sound like your in a recording studio with giant foam thingys killing the sound on the walls.

i can't describe it........it's not the way he sings its the mixing and production of it
very flat no reverb or echo ahch whatever.doesnt match the music very well
which is a shame because the music is so good.

lyrics are ok too.

seems like the songs will be solid but vocal production dissapoints so far.

b0llys going to send you to jail with thisistheend.

thanks 4 tryin but well got it b4 and its turbochaged rockin dawg :D :smoke:

:blush: double post.

maybe it was mixed for the new iPod generation, because so far, most people have expressed liking it much better with earphones.

i have only heard it on headphones( not from radioshack either) and it doesn't make it sound better to me.

i still maintain hope for other songs.

WTF how did people get this? Itunes?

it sounds 10x better with headphones

wheres the leek?

What I really don't get is that he can sing this song perfectly well live and then completely fuck it up when they record it. And apparently not notice.

I mean, this isn't really a case of Billy being old and not being able to sing well anymore. The live boots have all sounded pretty good vocally, the new songs *******d.

So what the hell happened? I'm really confused as to the complete lack of enthusiasm on display in this recording.

i can't wait for people to upload the b-sides. f this album s.

WTF how did people get this? Itunes?

Isn't that DRMed?

what songs have you written?

gee, how did i know some dumbshits would post smart ass replys to another post? /sarcasm /heavy

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3ztgq2

What I really don't get is that he can sing this song perfectly well live and then completely fuck it up when they record it. And apparently not notice.

I mean, this isn't really a case of Billy being old and not being able to sing well anymore. The live boots have all sounded pretty good vocally, the new songs *******d.

So what the hell happened? I'm really confused as to the complete lack of enthusiasm on display in this recording.


Same here. The live recordings all have a natural echo that makes the vocals a bit fuller. Plus he's playing guitar too so he kind of rushes the vocals to keep up with the riff. The song is much better for it.

The Future Embrace had more passionate vocals than this. Corgan must of forgot he was recording a heavy rock song. Tarantula's vocals are way better than this. I just DO NOT UNDERSTAND what the fuck happened??

If this came out first and I hadn't heard Tarantula I would be really scared for the album.

LMAO, terrible

the guitar part as well, so fucking generic

you just love making new threads about the same ol' shit

omi goodness

you just love making new threads about the same ol' shit

i thought you were supposed to troll on the sp board, everone else is doing it

hey flaming cucumber get the dick out of you ass and die already

i dont get all you people complaining on the vocals for this song.

i dont get all you people complaining on the vocals for this song.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3ztgq2

i dont get all you people complaining on the vocals for this song.

Listen to the vocal delivery of "you should want it all". It sums it all up, really.

edit: nevermind, TuralyonW3 beat me to it.

i dont think they vocals are too loud at all (which some have said), they just arent melted into the rest of the tracks. it sounds like everything is limited to hell behind his vocals.

this really just blows my mind listening to this.

yea he should have done another take on you should want it all.. sounds weak as all hell.. but over all i do like the vocals.. the reason they sound so flat is because they are mixed so dry.. no reverb, no chorus, no phasing. dry billy, and with those HUGE guitars going it can appear weak. it'll take getting used to but i LOVE the vocals in the chorus, as well as the layering. They sound huge.

The vocal harmonies almost drown out the lead vocal melody though.. not sure if that's just the mp3 quality talking.

this song is boring but I am predicting it will be a big radio hit

np: behold the nightmare


i just don't think b0lly can write songs as good as this anymore

With all the force of what is true, is there nothing I can do? I can't go on digging roses from your grave.

for the record, i think DC is pretty sweet

not as good as tarantula, but good

rock riffs being repeated? STOP THE PRESSES!

np: behold the nightmare


i just don't think b0lly can write songs as good as this anymore

With all the force of what is true, is there nothing I can do? I can't go on digging roses from your grave.


If he sang DC as good as he sang Behold The Nightmare I would have NO complaints.

what blows your mind

boy i have to say that the "to get out" part of the chorus sounds like it could make SP a relevant radio band again

what blows your mind
the fact that billy probably listened to this part of the song and didnt think it needed to be fixed

Zeitgeist is #9 on itunes right now, sorry if its rank is old news.

well, billy has said that this band is much bigger than he is- this song just proves it.


its just like this:


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for the record, i think DC is pretty sweet

not as good as tarantula, but good

Yeah, i agree. I kind of like this song, and I've only heard it once. Pretty cool shit really. I just wish there was a righteous guitar solo on this one like Tarantula, but oh well.

I'm really looking forward to the studio versions of Starz, Orchid, US, and 7 Shades, I think they're gonna be better.

what blows your mind

see the link silly

hey flaming cucumber get the dick out of you ass and die already


that was a pretty insane rip...damn man.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ir2uqm

Enjoy.

I can't download this. Will you please upload it to yousendit? :cry:

Goddamnit Billy. Just get off your ass and invent the H chord already so you don't have to rip off other people's songs.

Thankfully the live version is better.

Lethargic

Boring

Whoever mixed this song should be shot. The CD should be re-named "Smashing Pumpkins-Amateur Hour" or "The Smashing Pumpkins-Didnt The White Stripes play a whole week on Conan?"

What do you do for a living? Work in a call center I guess? My day job is not writing music. It's making shitloads of money off stupid people like you.



i, too, write and produce music. i make more money than you, so shut the fuck up.

my mom says it sounds like Jimi Hendrix.....hmmm

No offense, but your mom is deaf.

Is this a little better?

http://www.zshare.net/audio/23469514103046/

ur mom is a dwarf dawg :D :smoke:

http://download.yousendit.com/3BB85D435790615D
http://rapidshare.com/files/38252619/01_Track_1.mp3.html

If he would have screamed this part everyone here would be creaming their pants over how great it is.

... and I'm probably one of them because the first thing I thought was "why didn't he lay down a great scream right there? It would have been awesome."

i like it

hey guys, I don't write or produce music and I probably don't make more money than you.

also, flamingcucumber is annoying as fuck.

this could have been a badass lemonparty linking.

So will someone post the full length of the song on youtube or make it available elsewhere for those who don't have itunes or whatever it's called. I don't believe in paying money for a song i've never heard before...just not that rich

http://www.sendspace.com/file/x33znr

Now, :lock:?

i like it

cool, thanks man!

I have to admit the chorus blends into the song as a surprise, totally unexpected! the background vocals need to go, but the music is fantastic, reminds me of music from the 2nd disc off mellon collie


It reminds me too much of "bodies" without the exxagerated and background vocals ...other than that Billy needs to put energy in singing

So will someone post the full length of the song on youtube or make it available elsewhere for those who don't have itunes or whatever it's called. I don't believe in paying money for a song i've never heard before...just not that rich
How about a please?

Do I come into your house and start barking orders?

What a cunt burger.

clit hoagie

Sure there are similarities, but it's not that Billy is reinventing anything here.

I once gave Billy a demo of my old band. I wish he ripped me off in a very obvious way. I would sue his ass.

with bbq sauce