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said badly...
06-06-2007, 01:52 AM
That In My Body Appreciation thread got me thinking.
#1 being worst, etc...

01. In My Body
02. The Crying Tree of Mercury
03. Here's to the Atom Bomb (Judas O version)
04. The Imploding Voice
05. Appels + Oranjes
06. Take Me Down
07. For God And Country
08. Innosence
09. Saturnine (Machina II version)
10. The Bells

tcm
06-06-2007, 01:55 AM
09. Saturnine (Machina II version)
has a good number of appreciators, i think.

Because You Are is known to be in the top 3.

AndySlash
06-06-2007, 01:55 AM
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Wound

Implosion
06-06-2007, 01:55 AM
Is Le Deux Machina so cheesy that it doesn't qualify as a song? Otherwise, it surely belongs on the list.

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 01:56 AM
You haven't even heard the studio version of For God and Country, you dick.

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 01:59 AM
I appreciate In my body, regardless of what others think. Something about it. The remix on the other hand is terrible. I think it could have been really pleasing, had it made it into the studio. Same goes for most of Machina II.

said badly...
06-06-2007, 02:01 AM
Is Le Deux Machina so cheesy that it doesn't qualify as a song? Otherwise, it surely belongs on the list.


it's not really fair to even consider that track or the alt version of heavy metal machine.

You Said
06-06-2007, 02:02 AM
1 The Everlasting Gaze
2 Raindrops + Sunshowers
3 Stand Inside Your Love
4 I of the Mourning
5 The Sacred and Profane
6 Try, Try, Try
7 Heavy Metal Machine
8 This Time
9 The Imploding Voice
10 Glass and the Ghost Children
10 Wound
10 The Crying Tree of Mercury
10 With Every Light
10 Blue Skies Bring Tears

said badly...
06-06-2007, 02:03 AM
You haven't even heard the studio version of For God and Country, you dick.

what i have heard makes me want to :hurl:

Gossamer
06-06-2007, 02:03 AM
1 The Everlasting Gaze
2 Raindrops + Sunshowers
3 Stand Inside Your Love
4 I of the Mourning
5 The Sacred and Profane
6 Try, Try, Try
7 Heavy Metal Machine
8 This Time
9 The Imploding Voice
10 Glass and the Ghost Children
10 Wound
10 The Crying Tree of Mercury
10 With Every Light
10 Blue Skies Bring Tears

lol

hummer26
06-06-2007, 02:05 AM
The entire adore album
songs off the tonight tonight single from the box set


pretty much anything from adone onwards.....few good songs on machina and a few good ones with lots of potential from arising tour........seems like corgan purposely avoided putting the good music on albums?

For God and Country, concert version blows...might be diff on cd

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 02:06 AM
what i have heard makes me want to :hurl:


Well, apparently the Album version is completely different then the live version. The live version is just a barebones take on it.

So FFS, why don't you reserve your judgement?

Zorgon
06-06-2007, 02:08 AM
songs off the tonight tonight single from the box set

GTFO!

That EP is flawless.

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 02:09 AM
The entire adore album
songs off the tonight tonight single from the box set


pretty much anything from adone onwards.....few good songs on machina and a few good ones with lots of potential from arising tour........seems like corgan purposely avoided putting the good music on albums?

For God and Country, concert version blows...might be diff on cd


lol @ this guy with his Adore bashing.

Adore may not rawk hard, and it isn't for everyone but I implore you to lie down by a fire on a crisp winter's eve, and absorb the album as you drift to sleep. You will change your mind. Adore is Billy's song writing at its best.

Poetry

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 02:12 AM
Hummer26 is obviously more into the heavy spectrum of SP.

let me guess, Everlasting Gays is your favorite song on Machina? Ava Adore off of Adore?

To each his own.

hcueva
06-06-2007, 02:12 AM
Not in a particular order:

1. Apples and Oranges (ripped off Syd's song title and changed the spelling, btw)
2. 17 seconds -it wins the failed experiment award.
3. Untitled
4. Take me down
5. About half of Machina/Machina II

Gossamer
06-06-2007, 02:14 AM
I think you should keep this to like just the main albums, Gish, SD, MCIS, Adore, and Machina...because there is A LOT of crap to sift through if you add everything else.

The 5 weakest for me would probably be:

1. Crestfallen (by far the worst song they've ever done imo)
2. Appels + Oranjes (never really liked this one, also sounds really dated)
3. Blue Skies Bring Tears (more like this song bores me to tears)
4. Daydream (billy's acoustic version at the secret show redeems it a bit)
5. Take Me Down (worst song on MCIS)

Ol' Couch Ass
06-06-2007, 02:14 AM
The best thing about this thread is how original it is. I don't think we've ever had a Pumpkins worst of list! Congrats for breaking the mold! Awesome thread!

tcm
06-06-2007, 02:16 AM
let's try to keep personal opinions out of this or we're not going to get much done here.

said badly...
06-06-2007, 02:16 AM
delete thread

sorry its not another hard-on-for-iha thread

ToTheAtom
06-06-2007, 02:16 AM
1. 17
2. La Deux Machina (synth)
3. Glass' Theme ("spacey version")
4. Go
5. My Mistake
6. The Imploding Voice
7. Believe
8. Slow Dawn
9. Czarina
10. Once In a While

tcm
06-06-2007, 02:17 AM
people, people...

said badly...
06-06-2007, 02:20 AM
1. 17
2. La Deux Machina (synth)
3. Glass' Theme ("spacey version")
4. Go
5. My Mistake
6. The Imploding Voice
7. Believe
8. Slow Dawn
9. Czarina
10. Once In a While


Always thought Once In A While was one of the stronger tracks from that era. I did just listen to The Imploding Voice. That song will always blow.

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 02:20 AM
How can you say that about untitled? I just don't get how you can like Muzzle or home, but diss Untitled? Its a great song, although the live version sounds a little rushed on the vocals.

Ya know, I would add Transformer to the list just because it just doesn't have that punch that most Pumpkins songs have. I like the song, its catchy and it has a nice feel but its just dead. The name is misleading.

christian zombie vampires
06-06-2007, 02:20 AM
03. Here's to the Atom Bomb (Judas O version)


wow i actually think this is one of the only good tracks from the machina era

cork_soaker
06-06-2007, 02:21 AM
oh, opinions *limp wrist flick*

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 02:22 AM
My Mistake is fucking excellent. The vocals and emotions are as raw as it gets for such a mellow song. It was recorded after the bulls playoff right? Something about the vocals get me off everytime. I'm not gay or anything but man those vocals kickass. (as do unicorns)

redbreegull
06-06-2007, 02:23 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, I've never seen so many good songs on "worst of" lists.

Desolation_Disco_King
06-06-2007, 02:23 AM
Sorry

but this is why a lot of you have no idea what you are talking about
and how a lot of you are just talking out of your ass.

Not 1 single person even mentioned Chewing Gum
i see songs on here like...TCTOM and Perfect and The Everlasting Gaze
This Time....and the entire adore album.

Yeah....all of those songs are worse than Chewing Gum
a basic accoustic song where he mostly just says Chewing Gum over and over

"got myself a piece of chewing gum.....chewing gum, got myself a piece of chewing gum"

choosing ANY of these songs over that song, is retarded
and like i said
proves that most of you are talkin out of your ass
and you don't know SHIT about music...or even the pumpkins

go to some other msg board

with that said, i still don't mind chewing gum..just a simple fun song
but it is 100% the worst song they've (billy) has done

cork_soaker
06-06-2007, 02:24 AM
My Mistake is fucking excellent. It was recorded after the bulls playoff right?

tonight tonight reprise?

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 02:25 AM
Fail

said badly...
06-06-2007, 02:25 AM
Sorry

but this is why a lot of you have no idea what you are talking about
and how a lot of you are just talking out of your ass.

Not 1 single person even mentioned Chewing Gum
i see songs on here like...TCTOM and Perfect and The Everlasting Gaze
This Time....and the entire adore album.

Yeah....all of those songs are worse than Chewing Gum
a basic accoustic song where he mostly just says Chewing Gum over and over

"got myself a piece of chewing gum.....chewing gum, got myself a piece of chewing gum"

choosing ANY of these songs over that song, is retarded
and like i said
proves that most of you are talkin out of your ass
and you don't know SHIT about music...or even the pumpkins

go to some other msg board

with that said, i still don't mind chewing gum..just a simple fun song
but it is 100% the worst song they've (billy) has done

By that same logic we should all be condeming "Where's Vince?", and I love that song. Don't get me wrong, I see what you're saying, but I would listen to "Chewing Gum" all day before volunteering to listen to "Appels + Oranjes".

cork_soaker
06-06-2007, 02:26 AM
Sorry

but this is why a lot of you have no idea what you are talking about
and how a lot of you are just talking out of your ass.

Not 1 single person even mentioned Chewing Gum
i see songs on here like...TCTOM and Perfect and The Everlasting Gaze
This Time....and the entire adore album.

Yeah....all of those songs are worse than Chewing Gum
a basic accoustic song where he mostly just says Chewing Gum over and over

"got myself a piece of chewing gum.....chewing gum, got myself a piece of chewing gum"

choosing ANY of these songs over that song, is retarded
and like i said
proves that most of you are talkin out of your ass
and you don't know SHIT about music...or even the pumpkins

go to some other msg board

with that said, i still don't mind chewing gum..just a simple fun song
but it is 100% the worst song they've (billy) has done
i want you naked and slathered in lard

DisconnectD
06-06-2007, 02:26 AM
tonight tonight reprise?


Yeah, pretty much all of those demos that were recorded around that time. Tonite reprise isn't one of them is it?

redbreegull
06-06-2007, 02:28 AM
Seriously, I have to post again just to reiterate here, you guys have the WORST taste ever. Someone said Crestfallen was the worst SP song. And someone said MII Saturnine. Holy fuck. Are you all high?

said badly...
06-06-2007, 02:29 AM
Seriously, I have to post again just to reiterate here, you guys have the WORST taste ever. Someone said Crestfallen was the worst SP song. And someone said MII Saturnine. Holy fuck. Are you all high?


Nah. Drug test tomorrow. Stupid fascist work nazis.

cork_soaker
06-06-2007, 02:30 AM
Fail


Tonite Reprise

"Originally slated to go on towards the end of the Mellon Collie album, this one was hacked off in the name of 'When is enough too much?' I had just come back from the Chicago Bulls' tragic loss to the Orlando Magic in the playoffs, and was very depressed. My voice was hoarse from so much shouting. Flood threw up his famous mikes, and I just did it live. I used my trusty Gibson acoustic, with the rusty strings." -BC (Guitar World 1/97)

hummer26
06-06-2007, 03:12 AM
Hummer26 is obviously more into the heavy spectrum of SP.

let me guess, Everlasting Gays is your favorite song on Machina? Ava Adore off of Adore?

To each his own.


everlasting gaze was ruined by that 10 second rant....and AVA adore is not heavy.....it is Nine Inch Nails bullshit....period.

Adore has great lyrics and I listened to it in high school when it came out. It sucks....music is about instruments and poetry coming together. You cannot just have great lyrics and expect to make good music by coupling it with bizare nine inch nails "sounds" you people are idiots.....if you were fans of sp in 91 to 96 ish you would cringe after hearing adore. Making adore under the name zwan would have been fine....but it was not cool to do under the sp name.

jackie the rhino instructor

cork_soaker
06-06-2007, 03:15 AM
everlasting gaze was ruined by that 10 second rant....and AVA adore is not heavy.....it is Nine Inch Nails bullshit....period.

Adore has great lyrics and I listened to it in high school when it came out. It sucks....music is about instruments and poetry coming together. You cannot just have great lyrics and expect to make good music by coupling it with bizare nine inch nails "sounds" you people are idiots.....if you were fans of sp in 91 to 96 ish you would cringe after hearing adore. Making adore under the name zwan would have been fine....but it was not cool to do under the sp name.

jackie the rhino instructor
chewing gum

Desolation_Disco_King
06-06-2007, 03:19 AM
everlasting gaze was ruined by that 10 second rant....and AVA adore is not heavy.....it is Nine Inch Nails bullshit....period.

Adore has great lyrics and I listened to it in high school when it came out. It sucks....music is about instruments and poetry coming together. You cannot just have great lyrics and expect to make good music by coupling it with bizare nine inch nails "sounds" you people are idiots.....if you were fans of sp in 91 to 96 ish you would cringe after hearing adore. Making adore under the name zwan would have been fine....but it was not cool to do under the sp name.

jackie the rhino instructor

yeah, billy is an idiot for trying different kinds of music
and not doing the same thing over and over
what an idiot that guy is

i mean, if i was in a band
i'd just keep doing the same sound all the time
i mean look at AC/DC, they are an awesome band
but what i love most about that band, on top of all the songs they have in their catalogue is the fact that 80% of them all sound the same

if billy isn't gonna keep doing the same style of music over and over
i don't even want to be associated with this band as a fan.

im gonna go listen to AC/DC's fly on the wall

cork_soaker
06-06-2007, 03:21 AM
yeah, billy is an idiot for trying different kinds of music
and not doing the same thing over and over
what an idiot that guy is

i mean, if i was in a band
i'd just keep doing the same sound all the time
i mean look at AC/DC, they are an awesome band
but what i love most about that band, on top of all the songs they have in their catalogue is the fact that 80% of them all sound the same

if billy isn't gonna keep doing the same style of music over and over
i don't even want to be associated with this band as a fan.

im gonna go listen to AC/DC's fly on the wall
i want you naked and slathered in lard

cork_soaker
06-06-2007, 03:21 AM
and i am a straight man

krackhead
06-06-2007, 03:21 AM
tales of a scorched earth

tcm
06-06-2007, 03:30 AM
My Mistake is fucking excellent. The vocals and emotions are as raw as it gets for such a mellow song. It was recorded after the bulls playoff right?
it was recorded after his mother died. good year for the Bulls.

cork_soaker
06-06-2007, 03:32 AM
how could you think about sports at a time like this?
bulls are just cows but...male

ZeroPower
06-06-2007, 03:49 AM
La Deux Machina (synth)
17
for god and country

hcueva
06-06-2007, 04:26 AM
yeah, billy is an idiot for trying different kinds of music
and not doing the same thing over and over
what an idiot that guy is

i mean, if i was in a band
i'd just keep doing the same sound all the time
i mean look at AC/DC, they are an awesome band
but what i love most about that band, on top of all the songs they have in their catalogue is the fact that 80% of them all sound the same

if billy isn't gonna keep doing the same style of music over and over
i don't even want to be associated with this band as a fan.

im gonna go listen to AC/DC's fly on the wall

Sarcasm... not your thing. I mean it.

Thomas
06-06-2007, 04:45 AM
SOOT & STARS :
- killer echo (on voice+piano)
- same piano progression over and over
- 6 minutes 41 seconds !!!
- lyrics : "i'll often speak of you, but the you was always me, 'cause when i speak of me, it's me i ask of you..." what ?

In My Body is also 6min40sec long, with a repetitive progression but sounds 10 times better !! In My Body FTW!!

FlamingCucumber
06-06-2007, 05:42 AM
01. To Sheila
02. Ava Adore
03. Perfect
04. Daphne Descends
05. Once Upon a Time
06. Tear
07. Crestfallen
08. Appels + Oranjes
09. Pug
10. The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete
11. Annie-Dog
12. Shame
13. Behold! The Night Mare
14. For Martha
15. Blank Page
16. 17

Gershwin79
06-06-2007, 06:00 AM
Adore is the worst album imho and the worst song ever is "Annie-Dog".

Dunno why so many people have such a problem with Machina. I always liked it (except CTOM)

Kahlo
06-06-2007, 06:23 AM
.and AVA adore is not heavy.....it is Nine Inch Nails bullshit....period.


BAN

sweetturpentine
06-06-2007, 07:15 AM
tales of a scorched earth

so you really are a crack head

smashkin33
06-06-2007, 08:29 AM
My Mistake is fucking excellent. The vocals and emotions are as raw as it gets for such a mellow song. It was recorded after the bulls playoff right? Something about the vocals get me off everytime. I'm not gay or anything but man those vocals kickass. (as do unicorns)

LOLz :rofl:
Yeah I appreciate My Mistake too. Now as soon as I get home from work tonight it'll be the first song I listen to.

Effloresce
06-06-2007, 08:37 AM
01. In My Body
wtf, this song is awesome man

aorta
06-06-2007, 09:19 AM
everlasting gaze was ruined by that 10 second rant....and AVA adore is not heavy.....it is Nine Inch Nails bullshit....period.

Adore has great lyrics and I listened to it in high school when it came out. It sucks....music is about instruments and poetry coming together. You cannot just have great lyrics and expect to make good music by coupling it with bizare nine inch nails "sounds" you people are idiots.....if you were fans of sp in 91 to 96 ish you would cringe after hearing adore. Making adore under the name zwan would have been fine....but it was not cool to do under the sp name.

jackie the rhino instructor

Your are a stupid fuck along with most of the other people in this thread. There are song amazing songs you morons have put on this shit list. How about "Because You Are"? Huh? Now that is a shit song!

The whole adore album???? Are you fucking kidding me? You guys are fucking idiots! And by the way....Adore sounds nothing like NIN.

aorta
06-06-2007, 09:22 AM
Seriously, I have to post again just to reiterate here, you guys have the WORST taste ever. Someone said Crestfallen was the worst SP song. And someone said MII Saturnine. Holy fuck. Are you all high?

Saturnine is one of my favs. :)

The early version that is.....they kinda butchered it on the Greatest Hits album.

fluxequalsrad
06-06-2007, 09:23 AM
1. White Spyder / Soot and Stars
2. C'mon
3. Crestfallen
4. God
5. Blank
6. Dross
7. Speed Kills
8. Do you close your eyes?
9. Tear (sounds like Fastball's "The Way" to me :(, realesed the same year)
10. Glass and the Ghost Children

dean_r_koontz
06-06-2007, 09:24 AM
lol what a bunnch of morons. ava adore is not "hard" or "heavy" music, it doesn't "rock". have you heard the sound of a piece of pork being beaten by a very strong man? have you heard of a little thing called death metal? come back when you've grown out of kiddy music boy.

aorta
06-06-2007, 09:26 AM
01. To Sheila
02. Ava Adore
03. Perfect
04. Daphne Descends
05. Once Upon a Time
06. Tear
07. Crestfallen
08. Appels + Oranjes
09. Pug
10. The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete
11. Annie-Dog
12. Shame
13. Behold! The Night Mare
14. For Martha
15. Blank Page
16. 17


Kill yourself

Kahlo
06-06-2007, 09:32 AM
have you heard the sound of a piece of pork being beaten by a very strong man?

*insert joke about your mother*

sid grey
06-06-2007, 09:43 AM
I still can't believe Towers of Rabble got passed over for Blank...


and i still don't see that attraction with shit like 1979 and Perfect... hmm

sweet17
06-06-2007, 09:52 AM
01. La Deux Machina (crappy Casio synth version)
02. The Imploding Voice
03. Here's to the Atom Bomb
04. Appels + Oranjes
05. Innosense
06. Here's to the Atom Bomb (alt.)
07. Winterlong
08. Soot and Stars
09. Czarina
10. Untitled

the sellout
06-06-2007, 09:57 AM
1) Le Deux Machina - let's pretend to have an appreciation for artsy classical, then fuck it up severly!

2) Because You Are - just no

3) Heavy Metal Machine (either version) - See Aboev

4) Annie Dog - If he didnt have a shit headcold in it and sound even worse then usual, it might have been okay

5) The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete - Sounds like a kid's song..... about drugs

6) Farewell and Goodnight - The pumpkins try to be cute (aww)

7) Beautiful (the last bit is okay, but you have to listen to most of the song to get to it)

8) Take Me Down - Throughout all of the pumpkins, James sings only two good songs. This isnt one of them (for reference: Blew away and Go)

9) Whir - don't udnerstand the appeal in this one

10) Blue Skies Bring Tears (though the arising version is in my top 10 favourite ones)

SpFission
06-06-2007, 09:58 AM
anyone else think "The Bells" is a pretty good song?

pale_princess
06-06-2007, 10:05 AM
crying tree of mercury
les deux machina
apples and oranges
c'mon
because you are
the imploding voice
if there is a god
toase
pug
winterlong

i'm not counting sp2.

mht727
06-06-2007, 10:09 AM
based on album releases and not demos or alt. versions of songs. Also only Corgan songs since all Iha's songs suck.

Apples + Oranjes
Soot + Stars
Crying Tree Of Mercury
Raindrops and Sunshowers
Lucky 13
Innosense
Because You Are
Tales Of A Scorched Earth
Real Love
Sweet Sweet

pale_princess
06-06-2007, 10:17 AM
all Iha's songs suck.

incorrect.

mht727
06-06-2007, 10:20 AM
i stand corrected, Blew Away is a good song.

dudehitscar
06-06-2007, 10:25 AM
i will just go with the major albums and official b-side collections. The worst pumpkin songs are clearly some of the undeveloped and poorly produced demos/b-sides over the years that we have only from bootlegs. No Iha songs either.

No order

Tristessa
Spaceboy
Annie dog(I hate when he sings like that... all the live versions are ok)
Try Try Try
In my body
Spaced
Because you are(production makes it unlistenable)
My mistake
Blank
Speed Kills

those are the ones that come to mind for song I really can't stand

mht727
06-06-2007, 10:39 AM
i will just go with the major albums and official b-side collections. The worst pumpkin songs are clearly some of the undeveloped and poorly produced demos/b-sides over the years that we have only from bootlegs. No Iha songs either.

No order

Tristessa
Spaceboy
Annie dog(I hate when he sings like that... all the live versions are ok)
Try Try Try
In my body
Spaced
Because you are(production makes it unlistenable)
My mistake
Blank
Do You close your eyes

those are the ones that come to mind for song I really can't stand

I dont remember Do You Close Your Eyes on any offical B-Sides collection...

dudehitscar
06-06-2007, 10:40 AM
I dont remember Do You Close Your Eyes on any offical B-Sides collection...


Fixed. Thanks.

hummer26
06-06-2007, 11:01 AM
yeah, billy is an idiot for trying different kinds of music
and not doing the same thing over and over
what an idiot that guy is

i mean, if i was in a band
i'd just keep doing the same sound all the time
i mean look at AC/DC, they are an awesome band
but what i love most about that band, on top of all the songs they have in their catalogue is the fact that 80% of them all sound the same

if billy isn't gonna keep doing the same style of music over and over
i don't even want to be associated with this band as a fan.

im gonna go listen to AC/DC's fly on the wall


you are a FREAKIN IDIOT. By all means make different types of rock music and thats cool....from gish through mcis...sp played a different tone/type of rock music and nobody complained because the songs sounded different but remained GREAT. Do you have to ABONDON A GUITAR...IN ORDER TO MOVE ON AS AN ARTIST? YOUR DEFINING SOUND AS A BAND IS DERIVED FROM GUITARS AND DRUMS.....AND THEN YOU MAKE THAT PIECE OF SHIT ALBUM ADORE....WHICH IN MANY TRACKS YOU WONDER....WHERE ARE THE INSTRUMENtS? GET REAL YOU MORON.......AFTER LISTENING TO ROCK MUSIC FOR 15 YEARS I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BAND GO FROM ONE TYPE OF MUSIC TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE.

THE SONG ANNIE DOG SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR ADORE. GO LISTEN TO AC DC AND SHUT UP. I liked a few songs on machina and machina2.......zeitgeist will be great from what I am hearing but dont tell an old school pumpkins fan that adore is a great album and deserves respect because its different. And as for lyrics....if I want pure poetry I read poetry......albums like sd and mcis had amazing lyrics coupled with amazing guitars and drums...

TEDDY RUXBIN

Kahlo
06-06-2007, 11:03 AM
^moron

SpFission
06-06-2007, 11:10 AM
holy shit that went way over his head.

j u n e
06-06-2007, 11:25 AM
soot + stars isn't the worst..nor is my mistake. speed kills? nowai.
people here are braindead.

whoever voted for chewing gum is right on. what shite.

Rockin' Cherub
06-06-2007, 11:39 AM
1.le deux machina
2.if there is a god
3.the crying tree of mercury
4.doomsday clock
5.because you are
6.7 shades of black
7.glass's theme
8.christmastime
9.in my body
10.the imploding voice

shannon
06-06-2007, 11:42 AM
Tales Of A Scorched Earth


wrong

seign
06-06-2007, 12:37 PM
you are a FREAKIN IDIOT. By all means make different types of rock music and thats cool....from gish through mcis...sp played a different tone/type of rock music and nobody complained because the songs sounded different but remained GREAT. Do you have to ABONDON A GUITAR...IN ORDER TO MOVE ON AS AN ARTIST? YOUR DEFINING SOUND AS A BAND IS DERIVED FROM GUITARS AND DRUMS.....AND THEN YOU MAKE THAT PIECE OF SHIT ALBUM ADORE....WHICH IN MANY TRACKS YOU WONDER....WHERE ARE THE INSTRUMENtS? GET REAL YOU MORON.......AFTER LISTENING TO ROCK MUSIC FOR 15 YEARS I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BAND GO FROM ONE TYPE OF MUSIC TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE.

THE SONG ANNIE DOG SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR ADORE. GO LISTEN TO AC DC AND SHUT UP. I liked a few songs on machina and machina2.......zeitgeist will be great from what I am hearing but dont tell an old school pumpkins fan that adore is a great album and deserves respect because its different. And as for lyrics....if I want pure poetry I read poetry......albums like sd and mcis had amazing lyrics coupled with amazing guitars and drums...

TEDDY RUXBIN

Speaking as an "old school pumpkin fan", Adore is my second favorite SP album (next to Siamese Dream). Who cares what kind of instrument is being played as long as a song moves you?

Anyway, my least favorite Pumpkins songs have got to be all of James' songs (except "...said sadly"). I just don't like his voice. And ...said sadly was only good because of Nina Gordon. The only Billy songs that I can agree with that have been mentioned already are Chewing Gum and Because You Are.

AndySlash
06-06-2007, 12:47 PM
anyone else think "The Bells" is a pretty good song?

I like it.

Someone earlier in the thread (or maybe elsewhere) said the Tonight, Tonight single from the box set was the best EP. I'd say the 33 one is. Every song on there is good. I love that disc.

ISS79
06-06-2007, 12:50 PM
Annie-Dog

apetulantfrenzy
06-06-2007, 12:53 PM
i will just go with the major albums and official b-side collections. The worst pumpkin songs are clearly some of the undeveloped and poorly produced demos/b-sides over the years that we have only from bootlegs. No Iha songs either.

No order

Tristessa
Spaceboy
Annie dog(I hate when he sings like that... all the live versions are ok)
Try Try Try
In my body
Spaced
Because you are(production makes it unlistenable)
My mistake
Blank
Speed Kills

those are the ones that come to mind for song I really can't stand
Did you just ******* Tristessa? No way. That guitar solo eats your kind for breakfast.

And...Spaced is fun. Such a cool album closer.

apetulantfrenzy
06-06-2007, 12:54 PM
Hmm i typed i-n-c-l-u-d-e and it got the **** treatment...why?

Runsaber
06-06-2007, 01:02 PM
because you touch yourself at night

Runsaber
06-06-2007, 01:02 PM
by the way, you're all stupid.

omegadown3
06-06-2007, 01:10 PM
you are a FREAKIN IDIOT. By all means make different types of rock music and thats cool....from gish through mcis...sp played a different tone/type of rock music and nobody complained because the songs sounded different but remained GREAT. Do you have to ABONDON A GUITAR...IN ORDER TO MOVE ON AS AN ARTIST? YOUR DEFINING SOUND AS A BAND IS DERIVED FROM GUITARS AND DRUMS.....AND THEN YOU MAKE THAT PIECE OF SHIT ALBUM ADORE....WHICH IN MANY TRACKS YOU WONDER....WHERE ARE THE INSTRUMENtS? GET REAL YOU MORON.......AFTER LISTENING TO ROCK MUSIC FOR 15 YEARS I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BAND GO FROM ONE TYPE OF MUSIC TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE.

THE SONG ANNIE DOG SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR ADORE. GO LISTEN TO AC DC AND SHUT UP. I liked a few songs on machina and machina2.......zeitgeist will be great from what I am hearing but dont tell an old school pumpkins fan that adore is a great album and deserves respect because its different. And as for lyrics....if I want pure poetry I read poetry......albums like sd and mcis had amazing lyrics coupled with amazing guitars and drums...

TEDDY RUXBIN

There is a band for people like you: Nickelback.

See The Beatles for a rock band that tried different types of music with vastly different instrumentation.

Nice usage of CAPS LOCK, though. The ellipses are lovely as well.

mpp
06-06-2007, 01:21 PM
i can't believe some of what i'm seeing in this

this is embarrassing...i guess it's personal opinion, but still...


French Movie Theme
Blank
Take Me Down
The Bells
Chewing Gum


now those are some bad songs, without argument

TheBigG753
06-06-2007, 01:22 PM
Heavy Metal Machine (Machina II)
The Crying Tree of Mercury
Blue Skies Bring Tears
The Imploding Voice
Crestfallen
Take Me Down
White Spyder
The Bells
Love
Bugg Superstar

Also: "Le Deux Machina" and "17."

pale_princess
06-06-2007, 01:23 PM
I like it.

Someone earlier in the thread (or maybe elsewhere) said the Tonight, Tonight single from the box set was the best EP. I'd say the 33 one is. Every song on there is good. I love that disc.
the bells is pretty and cute!

1979 ftw best ep

TheBigG753
06-06-2007, 01:26 PM
Yeah, the 1979 EP is the best. Set the Ray, Cherry, The Boy, Ugly...very good stuff. The 33 EP is no slouch, though.

starlaluna
06-06-2007, 01:32 PM
I agree I loved the 1979 EP and the pics as well.

wangcomputers
06-06-2007, 02:14 PM
because you are
white spyder
blank
apathy's last kiss
here's to the atom bomb
I'm going crazy
perfect

to be continued..

fluxequalsrad
06-06-2007, 02:20 PM
01. La Deux Machina (crappy Casio synth version)
02. The Imploding Voice
03. Here's to the Atom Bomb
04. Appels + Oranjes
05. Innosense
06. Here's to the Atom Bomb (alt.)
07. Winterlong
08. Soot and Stars
09. Czarina
10. Untitled
as a rule these songs are bad. I agree.



1) Le Deux Machina - let's pretend to have an appreciation for artsy classical, then fuck it up severly!

2) Because You Are - just no

3) Heavy Metal Machine (either version) - See Aboev

4) Annie Dog - If he didnt have a shit headcold in it and sound even worse then usual, it might have been okay

5) The Tale of Dusty and Pistol Pete - Sounds like a kid's song..... about drugs

6) Farewell and Goodnight - The pumpkins try to be cute (aww)

7) Beautiful (the last bit is okay, but you have to listen to most of the song to get to it)

8) Take Me Down - Throughout all of the pumpkins, James sings only two good songs. This isnt one of them (for reference: Blew away and Go)
9) Whir - don't udnerstand the appeal in this one

10) Blue Skies Bring Tears (though the arising version is in my top 10 favourite ones)


ok for whatever reason alot of people hate Take Me Down, but Beautiful + Farewell&Goodnight !? Two amazing songs.

Dogfighter28
06-06-2007, 02:21 PM
1. Heavy Metal Machine (Alt Version)
2. White Spyder
3. Crying Tree of Mercury
4. Blue Skies Bring Tears
5. X.Y.U.
6. Where Boys Fear to Tread
7. Crestfallen
8. Glass's Theme
9. Cash Car Star
10. Slunk

fluxequalsrad
06-06-2007, 02:23 PM
1. Heavy Metal Machine (Alt Version)
2. White Spyder
3. Crying Tree of Mercury
4. Blue Skies Bring Tears
5. X.Y.U.
6. Where Boys Fear to Tread
7. Crestfallen
8. Glass's Theme
9. Cash Car Star
10. Slunk
I know you hate lucky 13 more then X.Y.U. /Where boys.

waltermcphilp
06-06-2007, 02:25 PM
1. Heavy Metal Machine (Alt Version)
2. White Spyder
3. Crying Tree of Mercury
4. Blue Skies Bring Tears
5. X.Y.U.
6. Where Boys Fear to Tread
7. Crestfallen
8. Glass's Theme
9. Cash Car Star
10. Slunk

slunk and XYU?

BOO THIS MAN!

mccririck
06-06-2007, 02:32 PM
My god someone said "Czarina". That's one of the best pumpkins songs imo.

1) Le Deux Machina
2) Because You Are
3) Heavy Metal Machine
4) White Spyder
5) Cash Car Star
6) Lucky 13
7) Innosense
8) Here's to the Atom Bomb
9) Blank
10) Love

bellis123
06-06-2007, 03:22 PM
That In My Body Appreciation thread got me thinking.
#1 being worst, etc...

01. In My Body
02. The Crying Tree of Mercury
03. Here's to the Atom Bomb (Judas O version)
04. The Imploding Voice
05. Appels + Oranjes
06. Take Me Down
07. For God And Country
08. Innosence
09. Saturnine (Machina II version)
10. The Bells


Here's to the Atom Bomb (Judas O version) and Saturnine (Machina II version) are both great songs in my opinion. I think these versions are both better than the others.

trev
06-06-2007, 03:44 PM
this is every song i don't really like that much:

rhino (slow and boring)
1979 (boring and repetative)
blank
to sheila (boring and repetative)
perfect
todapp
annie dog
everlasting gaze (mostly the rant)
imploding voice (RUINED virex....)
crying tree
because you are
sparrow (boring)
winterlong (boring)
untitled (rushed shite)
tarantula (rushed shite)

some i hate (because you are), some just have bad bits that make it hard to like the full song (rhino, teg)

-not including most of james's stuff, bad versions where good versions exist (try try try, atom bomb), or non songs (17, spaced, le deux etc.)

Gossamer
06-06-2007, 04:00 PM
Crestfallen is definitely the worst song off Adore.

firewoman
06-06-2007, 04:56 PM
no mention of shame so far huh?

mccririck
06-06-2007, 05:00 PM
no mention of shame so far huh?

Why would there be? There's far worse than Shame.

firewoman
06-06-2007, 05:02 PM
Why would there be? There's far worse than Shame.

true, its not even on my list :) its just that people used to flame it alot. no love for the sh-sh-sh-sh-sh-shame bit.

fluxequalsrad
06-06-2007, 05:09 PM
this is every song i don't really like that much:

rhino (slow and boring)
1979 (boring and repetative)


:noway:

mccririck
06-06-2007, 05:16 PM
Crestfallen is definitely the worst song off Adore.

Not sure about that. It's a slow one so you dont always appreciate it, but it is a pretty good track. I think the weakest on Adore is either Perfect or Daphne Descends.

davin
06-06-2007, 05:19 PM
take me down
crying tree of mercury (album version)
shame (album version)
believe
the bells
the boy
go
Chewing Gum
A Night Like This (cover)
Summer

Edit: I decided Terrapin was better than Chewing Gum.

redbreegull
06-06-2007, 06:14 PM
Anyone who listed the following needs to end their life right now because you are polluting the earth with your shitty opinions:

Anything off the Gish album
Anything off the Siamese Dream album
Anything off the Mellon Collie album
Anything off the Adore album.

Four masterpieces. Anyone who has a problem with these records can fuck off because they have no conception of what the Smashing Pumpkins are.

Crestfallen is the best song on Adore BTW. Go fuck yourself.

FlamingCucumber
06-06-2007, 06:56 PM
Kill yourself

OK I will. I was going to anyways. I'll leave a note that directs people to your post on netphoria. You'll be in trouble for a couple of weeks I guess. If you have kids, they'll probably be taken from you for an indefinite period of time. Let's just hope you'll lose your job too.

FlamingCucumber
06-06-2007, 06:58 PM
Anyone who listed the following needs to end their life right now because you are polluting the earth with your shitty opinions:

Anything off the Gish album
Anything off the Siamese Dream album
Anything off the Mellon Collie album
Anything off the Adore album.

Four masterpieces. Anyone who has a problem with these records can fuck off because they have no conception of what the Smashing Pumpkins are.

Crestfallen is the best song on Adore BTW. Go fuck yourself.

I have no conception of what the Smashing Pumpkins are! Fuck man... Truth hurts sometimes...

pale_princess
06-06-2007, 06:59 PM
take me down
crying tree of mercury (album version)
shame (album version)
believe
the bells
the boy
go
Terrapin (cover)
A Night Like This (cover)
Summer


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
U 4GOT WAVE SONG

vitaldust
06-06-2007, 07:03 PM
I luvz all b0lly's songz esp. pretty pretty starz

dudehitscar
06-06-2007, 07:05 PM
take me down
crying tree of mercury (album version)
shame (album version)
believe
the bells
the boy
go
Terrapin (cover)
A Night Like This (cover)
Summer



is it the songwriting or do you just hate Iha's voice.

vitaldust
06-06-2007, 07:07 PM
hate his voice, the writing is too derivative of shoegazer style for me...i love shoegazer music, but james just doesnt pull it off

dudehitscar
06-06-2007, 07:27 PM
1. Heavy Metal Machine (Alt Version)
2. White Spyder
3. Crying Tree of Mercury
4. Blue Skies Bring Tears
5. X.Y.U.
6. Where Boys Fear to Tread
7. Crestfallen
8. Glass's Theme
9. Cash Car Star
10. Slunk

:erm: I don't know how anyone can hate on Where the boys fear to tread.

FlamingCucumber
06-06-2007, 07:34 PM
:erm: I don't know how anyone can hate on Where the boys fear to tread.

Same for many songs on that guy's list. Man... Blue Skies Bring Tears is an awesome song.

I don't get it... Do you guys prefer Adore to Machina II? Machina II is pure, raw Pumpkins, not an overbloated production failure!

Nidhogg
06-06-2007, 07:41 PM
3. Crestfallen
6. Dross


.....

wtf

runaroundkid
06-06-2007, 09:48 PM
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Perfect
Wound

thank you! i LOATHE perfect, i find it completely unlistenable. i'm glad i'm not alone on that...

davin
06-06-2007, 10:03 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
U 4GOT WAVE SONG

i like that one.......and Blew Away too.

i just cringe when i hear james' singing voice. i can't help it.

dudehitscar
06-06-2007, 10:23 PM
Same for many songs on that guy's list. Man... Blue Skies Bring Tears is an awesome song.

I don't get it... Do you guys prefer Adore to Machina II? Machina II is pure, raw Pumpkins, not an overbloated production failure!


Machina 2 is great but Adore is a masterpiece and their 2nd best album.

ordinary apathy
06-06-2007, 10:32 PM
I think the weakest on Adore is either Perfect or Daphne Descends.

I'm with you on Perfect. I used to feel that way about Daphne Descends, but the Kerry B remix kind of made me appreciate it more for some reason.

TheBigG753
06-06-2007, 11:47 PM
Hmmm, I'm surprised at the dislike for Perfect. It's probably in my top 5 off of Adore. I could never get into Crestfallen, though.

yoshinobu's revenge
06-07-2007, 12:46 AM
I did an elimination poll on this aaaages ago.

I think #1 was Le Deux Machina. The Crying Tree of Mercury and 17 were also up there, along with some James songs - The Bells comes to mind.

yoshinobu's revenge
06-07-2007, 12:48 AM
oh and also Tales of a Scorched Earth

Nidhogg
06-07-2007, 12:48 AM
Why are people listing 17? It's not even really a song.

2=7
06-07-2007, 12:50 AM
17 is that 'need you around' song

I forgot the name... its on rotten tho

edit: blissed and gone

thisistheend
06-07-2007, 01:00 AM
wound

seriously, fuck you

Nidhogg
06-07-2007, 01:03 AM
Yeah, I know. But it's only a 17 second piano clip of it.

ordinary apathy
06-07-2007, 01:39 AM
I agree I loved the 1979 EP and the pics as well.

Best EP in the box set, IMO. I loved the cover, too. I had a subway size poster of it above my bed during my teenage years.

ordinary apathy
06-07-2007, 01:42 AM
I can understand a large percentage of fans not liking CTOM, La Deux Machina, 17, and The Bells. But the fact that Tales of a Scorched Earth topped that poll as well boggles the mind.