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mpp
06-05-2007, 10:14 AM
So, who's going? Who's taping?

When does this puppy start up USA Eastern time? Should I make some popcorn? Anybody bringing his/her sidekick to post to Netphoria whilst at the show?

severin
06-05-2007, 10:19 AM
So, who's going? Who's taping?

When does this puppy start up USA Eastern time? Should I make some popcorn? Anybody bringing his/her sidekick to post to Netphoria whilst at the show?
this should already be in the middle of it

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 10:20 AM
Sebastian said it was going to start at 8, which would be 2pm eastern. Was he wrong?

pda
06-05-2007, 10:21 AM
Waiting...

severin
06-05-2007, 10:22 AM
Sebastian said it was going to start at 8, which would be 2pm eastern. Was he wrong?
it's been pulled forward to 4pm local time

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 10:23 AM
was it ever mentioned if this was going to be open taping or not? i wonder what nuggets of joy billy has in store for the winners.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 10:23 AM
oh. I just found this in the original thread:

Einlass: 15.30 Uhr
Beginn 1st set: 16.00-16.45
Break bis 17.15 Uhr
17.15-18h 2nd set
18h Ende der Veranstaltung

Which would be 4, which would have been 10am eastern. the second set is currently in progress. Q&A time?

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 10:24 AM
was it ever mentioned if this was going to be open taping or not? i wonder what nuggets of joy billy has in store for the winners.

If Sebastian went, I have no doubt he's stealthing it.

severin
06-05-2007, 10:24 AM
since there is absolutely no update on anything happening there, i'd say they even had to give away their phones and such at the entrance...well..or they simple don't wanna tell for now ;)

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 10:26 AM
since there is absolutely no update on anything happening there, i'd say they even had to give away their phones and such at the entrance...well..or they simple don't wanna tell for now ;)

DAMN YOU BILLY! :cry:

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 10:29 AM
since there is absolutely no update on anything happening there, i'd say they even had to give away their phones and such at the entrance...well..or they simple don't wanna tell for now ;)

Maybe, although it's more likely that, since it's a 5-6 song set, they're just taking it in and will report back later. When it's a 3 hour show, you want to take breaks to get the set right, but when it's 40 minutes.... Also, with only 200 people, it's simply less likely for reports to get out during the show. At Grand Rex, there was upwards of 1000 people, and only a couple were texting back the setlist.

davin
06-05-2007, 11:00 AM
yes, sebastian went. as well as 3 other netprhoians i am aware of.

and again, per Gooch, the entire tour is open taping (unless the band is trumped by venue or festival rules).

brendo_91
06-05-2007, 11:01 AM
how could 5-6 songs last for the duration of two (2) 45 minute sets, unless they played every epic in pumpkins history?

brendo_91
06-05-2007, 11:02 AM
and again, per Gooch, the entire tour is open taping (unless the band is trumped by venue rules).

Uh. But the Fillmore don't allow taping, right? So...

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 11:03 AM
i just hope to god when they say special show they mean they're going to play something different than the other 33 or so songs they've proven they can play. I hope the "special" part of it isn't just the Q&A.

davin
06-05-2007, 11:07 AM
how could 5-6 songs last for the duration of two (2) 45 minute sets, unless they played every epic in pumpkins history?

i thought the 5-6 songs thing was just a rumor...

davin
06-05-2007, 11:09 AM
Uh. But the Fillmore don't allow taping, right? So...

which is probably why they worked out something special and specific for SF...so they could explicitly state there will be open taping as part of the "initimate" residency shows".

davin
06-05-2007, 11:10 AM
i just hope to god when they say special show they mean they're going to play something different than the other 33 or so songs they've proven they can play. I hope the "special" part of it isn't just the Q&A.

33? I count 31.

I guess if you ******* With Every Light which was on an alternate Paris setlist and never played....as well as Starla which was heard by multiple people at the Rehearsal space then you get 33. Is that what you meant? Or am I missing something?

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 11:13 AM
33? I count 31.

I guess if you ******* With Every Light which was on an alternate Paris setlist and never played....as well as Starla which was heard by multiple people at the Rehearsal space then you get 33. Is that what you meant? Or am I missing something?


no, no, im sure you're right. i just figured it was in the low 30's and threw out a random number ;) . The point is i hope the songs played today aren't comprised of those 31 songs for the most part

pda
06-05-2007, 12:16 PM
Nothing yet??

skipgo
06-05-2007, 12:21 PM
it was a trick. they've all been taken hostage.

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 12:23 PM
billy probably forgot the words the cameraeye again and sent jeff to the store to fetch a copy of TFE out of the bargain bin.

enthusaroo
06-05-2007, 12:27 PM
billy probably forgot the words the cameraeye again and sent jeff to the store to fetch a copy of TFE out of the bargain bin.

:rofl:

Black Zwan
06-05-2007, 12:30 PM
Some people say that "Crush"has been played by Billy today :smoke:

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 12:34 PM
Some people say that "Crush"has been played by Billy today :smoke:

where? because that would be pretty fucking awesome if it was true!

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 12:39 PM
despicable rumour-mongering.

:lurk:

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 12:40 PM
I would shit twelve bricks if he played Crush.

This reminds me of when people were saying (for a brief 30-40 minutes) that STRTJ had been played during the Grand Rex show.

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 12:41 PM
posted by frenchy on the french board at blamo:


Setlist (à completer) :
Une amie (qui y était) m'a indiqué que Billy a joué Crush au piano, accompagné par Jimmy.


Setlist à suivre (l'info n'est pas dispo actuellement)... postez là si vous l'avez avant moi, ca à l'air prometteur (je file en repettes ce soir).

New Art Rioter
06-05-2007, 12:46 PM
Wow, Crush would be a total wang activator. Let's hope it's true! A piano version as well, very interesting.

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 12:46 PM
excuse me, floppy, but a considerate poster would have translated this first!

gruntage
06-05-2007, 12:46 PM
crush was played.

billy on piano and jc on drums.

i got a text from twiggy stardust who is there.

its in an old castle - candle lit.

i asked her to ask Billy why there has been no Gish so far

she replied:

"they just did crush. with just billy on piano and jimmy on drums. how's that for an answer"

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 12:47 PM
twelve bricks have just come out of my ass.

Cherub Angel
06-05-2007, 12:47 PM
Crush :banoonoo: Nice.

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 12:48 PM
excuse me, floppy, but a considerate poster would have translated this first!

Setlist (to be supplemented): A friend (who was there) indicated to me that Billy played Crush with the piano, accompanied by Jimmy. Setlist to be followed (information is not currently dispo)... post there if you have it before me, Ca with the promising air (I slip by in repettes this evening).



im sorry for my transgression, guy ;)

JRiordan
06-05-2007, 12:53 PM
Always nice to see old bustouts!!!!

More infos plz!!!

Gossamer
06-05-2007, 12:53 PM
Sweeet.

Virex Kills
06-05-2007, 12:54 PM
No way! Crush on piano?! Nuts.

NilSineDeo
06-05-2007, 12:56 PM
Crush :banoonoo: Nice.

fuck yeah! Crush ranks up among my favorite SP songs.

gruntage
06-05-2007, 01:05 PM
i cant believe i couldnt go :(

KManXC
06-05-2007, 01:09 PM
Setlist (to be supplemented): A friend (who was there) indicated to me that Billy played Crush with the piano, accompanied by Jimmy. Setlist to be followed (information is not currently dispo)... post there if you have it before me, Ca with the promising air (I slip by in repettes this evening).



im sorry for my transgression, guy ;)
Lies make baby jebus cry

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 01:13 PM
Lies make baby jebus cry


who lied?

mpp
06-05-2007, 01:14 PM
if tehy did crush on piano and jimmy on drums, that is promising

however, crush was played on the machina tour, was it not?

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 01:17 PM
if tehy did crush on piano and jimmy on drums, that is promising

however, crush was played on the machina tour, was it not?

it was, but what does this matter in terms of the piano/drum version they played today?

MayonaiseBoy
06-05-2007, 01:18 PM
I wonder if this special show in Berlin is gonna be just Jimmy & Billy... seems to me they've kind of avoided talking about the new members/musicians.

I'd bet that at the very least certain topics are off limits!

Caine Walker
06-05-2007, 01:18 PM
a pumpkins set in a candle-lit castle? are you kidding me?

skipgo
06-05-2007, 01:20 PM
oh man, i really really hope we get a recording of this...

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 01:21 PM
if tehy did crush on piano and jimmy on drums, that is promising

however, crush was played on the machina tour, was it not?

the majority of dates it was played are in 1992 and 2000, strangely. roughly 10 each, according to SPFC. 4 in 91, 1 in 94, and a tease in 96.

mpp
06-05-2007, 01:22 PM
i wish they'd do LMGTWTY

gruntage
06-05-2007, 01:24 PM
I wonder if this special show in Berlin is gonna be just Jimmy & Billy... seems to me they've kind of avoided talking about the new members/musicians.

I'd bet that at the very least certain topics are off limits!


i guess cause billy wants to treat it as "Smashing Pumpkins"

not "1 half of the Smashing Pumpkins plus 2 new members"

he wanted it to be as if it never ended...


makes sense....

still doesnt bring back james tho! :rofl:

Virex Kills
06-05-2007, 01:26 PM
This mostly gives me hope for the upcoming residencies!

Esty
06-05-2007, 01:32 PM
Too bad no one will have the nuts to ask them any real questions.

vitaldust
06-05-2007, 01:36 PM
the playing of crush confirms my suspicions regarding the tour thusfar...

During TFE tour, all of you will remember the shit William got for not playing the hits the greater populus knows him for. All the self-rightous rants he went off on...we all remember. For the large festival audience, this is exactly what he is doing...in a manner that seems satirical to me.

The cookie cutter setlists and lack of emotion on stage had seemed fishy to me.

The intimate audience will get the intimate pumpkins...i am now fucking excited to see them in a small venue.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 01:39 PM
the playing of crush confirms my suspicions regarding the tour thusfar...

During TFE tour, all of you will remember the shit William got for not playing the hits the greater populus knows him for. All the self-rightous rants he went off on...we all remember. For the large festival audience, this is exactly what he is doing...in a manner that seems satirical to me.

The cookie cutter setlists and lack of emotion on stage had seemed fishy to me.

The intimate audience will get the intimate pumpkins...i am now fucking excited to see them in a small venue.

you know............... :Skeptical

Hypocaust
06-05-2007, 01:45 PM
Uh. But the Fillmore don't allow taping, right? So...
The Fillmore is most certainly open taping, in fact they have a designated taping area in the rear of the room for artists who chose to have open taping performances. I don't know where you kids got the idea that it wasn't.

loopusman
06-05-2007, 01:45 PM
just received a phonecall from Sebastian:

Highlights:

- complete acoustic set (2 Sets, 90-100 mins)

played: Crush, Daydream (Billy solo), Drown, Gossamer (acoustic, 15mins), Home, Today, Tarantula (solo), 33, Neverlost, Bleeding the Orchid (not correct order, probably not complete)

Some songs only Billy + Jimmy, some songs only Billy + Lisa, some songs complete band

2 Sets, second set mostly Billy solo or with Jimmy

Q+A: You had to write down questions before gig, Questions were chosen.

Band made a lot of jokes, Billy & Jimmy answered, radio reporter asked questions.

More soon, Sebastian trys to find a internet pc :)

soeren
06-05-2007, 01:47 PM
here are the "4-5 songs" they played:

set 1:

- Hummer
- Shame
- Tonight, Tonight
- Home
- Glass and the Ghost Children
- The Crying Tree of Mercury
- Crush
- Untitled
- Today
- Bleeding the Orchid
- United States

intermission

set 2:

- Thirty-Three
- Daydream (bc vocals)
- Tarantula,
- Winterlong
- Neverlost
- Drown
- Gossamer

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 01:48 PM
Drown and Crush.

Amazing.

jczeroman
06-05-2007, 01:49 PM
Crush

Daydream (Billy solo)

Drown

Gossamer (acoustic, 15mins)

OMG!

loopusman
06-05-2007, 01:49 PM
Soeren, where are you right now ?

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 01:50 PM
here are the "4-5 songs" they played:

set 1:

- Hummer
- Shame
- Tonight, Tonight
- Home
- Glass and the Ghost Children
- The Crying Tree of Mercury
- Crush
- Untitled
- Today
- Bleeding the Orchid
- United States

intermission

set 2:

- Thirty-Three
- Daydream (bc vocals)
- Tarantula,
- Winterlong
- Neverlost
- Drown
- Gossamer


if this is truly the setlist then consider my pants pooped.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 01:51 PM
also: the residencies will be the greatest thing ever.

Corganist
06-05-2007, 01:52 PM
set 1:

- Hummer
- Shame
- Tonight, Tonight
- Home
- Glass and the Ghost Children
- The Crying Tree of Mercury
- Crush
- Untitled
- Today
- Bleeding the Orchid
- United States

intermission

set 2:

- Thirty-Three
- Daydream (bc vocals)
- Tarantula,
- Winterlong
- Neverlost
- Drown
- Gossamer
Wow. That should counter some of the bitching about the festival setlists.

I hope somebody taped this. Daydream with Billy singing is something that's always been on my "SP songs I wish existed" list.

sppunk
06-05-2007, 01:52 PM
They've entirely overplayed Drown, but seeing Daydream makes me smile a little bit.

New Art Rioter
06-05-2007, 01:53 PM
Sounds awesome! I wait with baited breath to hear more. I'll be interested to see how the new heavier new songs translate. Were capes/cloaks present?

sppunk
06-05-2007, 01:53 PM
also: the residencies will be the greatest thing ever.
I think the birth and/or resurrection of Jesus Christ overshadows a concert, man.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 01:54 PM
They've entirely overplayed Drown, but seeing Daydream makes me smile a little bit.

They have not overplayed it acoustically.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 01:55 PM
I think the birth and/or resurrection of Jesus Christ overshadows a concert, man.

Maybe. You don't know! The concerts haven't happened yet. And the second coming hasn't happened yet. And we weren't there for the first coming. So really....

mpp
06-05-2007, 01:55 PM
dios mio

daydream? let the flaming begin...



also, now i may kill myself if i can't go to asheville

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 01:57 PM
i REAAAAALLY hope this performance got recorded in some way, shape, or form!

davin
06-05-2007, 02:00 PM
sorry, just catching up on this thread.

was it ALL acoustic?

Quiet CD
06-05-2007, 02:00 PM
i REAAAAALLY hope this performance got recorded in some way, shape, or form!

"

NothingSafe
06-05-2007, 02:01 PM
I think thats 4 other songs than the Brussels, Paris or Luxemburg show. So am quite fine with it :P

Am more curious about the Q&A

JRiordan
06-05-2007, 02:02 PM
lol aesome!

gogogodzirra
06-05-2007, 02:02 PM
yes please tell me they allowed taping

mpp
06-05-2007, 02:03 PM
guys, daydream

day-fucking-dream

i mean, that hasn't been played since what? 1992?

Caine Walker
06-05-2007, 02:04 PM
edit: eh, nevermind.

davin
06-05-2007, 02:05 PM
I think thats 4 other songs than the Brussels, Paris or Luxemburg show. So am quite fine with it :P

Am more curious about the Q&A

yep -- Crying Tree of Mercury, Crush, Drown, and DayDream.

So the total of potential songs to be played is now at 37. :eek:

That's Paris + Lucky 13 + 7 Shades + With Every Light + Starla (I'm still gonna count this one dammit!!!) + the 4 above.

niiiiiiiice.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 02:05 PM
guys, daydream

day-fucking-dream

i mean, that hasn't been played since what? 1992?

A couple times in 1994. But yes. You're right. It's fucking batshit. And it gives me immense hope.

NovaFritz
06-05-2007, 02:05 PM
crying tree of mercury?
why does he insist on torturing the crowd?

loopusman
06-05-2007, 02:05 PM
sorry, just catching up on this thread.

was it ALL acoustic?

yes

Boseph
06-05-2007, 02:05 PM
guys, daydream

day-fucking-dream

i mean, that hasn't been played since what? 1992?

I'm more excited about The Crying Tree Of Mercury. The revival of this classic has been long overdue. :rofl:

But really, them playing Daydream is neat.

Caine Walker
06-05-2007, 02:06 PM
Starla (I'm still gonna count this one dammit!!!) + the 4 above.


:D

Quiet CD
06-05-2007, 02:06 PM
crying tree of mercury?
why does he insist on torturing the crowd?

it's a great song... the piano/vox version that was put up last year really showed how good the song is... i'd love to hear it again live.

enthusaroo
06-05-2007, 02:07 PM
I hope that someone recorded this show. :D If I wake up tomorrow (it's 3am here right now) and find there's a torrent of this show, then that will totally make my week. :D

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 02:07 PM
Drown and Crush? Well, fuck.

I would sit through a 30 minute Crying Tree for those. I just got a massive e-peen hardon. 26 days until my first Asheville show....

Caine Walker
06-05-2007, 02:07 PM
i still swear by the version of TCOM they played on 12/21/99. t'was bliss.

davin
06-05-2007, 02:08 PM
crying tree of mercury?
why does he insist on torturing the crowd?

well if it was the piano-only version....shit, that's awesome.

Edit: oops...Cheurb Angel beat me to it.

enthusaroo
06-05-2007, 02:08 PM
In addition to the songs other people have mentioned, I also am eager to hear what acoustic Gossamer sounds like.

davin
06-05-2007, 02:09 PM
:D

Yea, 2 different people heard it at the rehearsal space on 2 different nights. so it has to be true. ;) ;) ;)

Brisk
06-05-2007, 02:09 PM
anyone tape!?

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 02:09 PM
and in other news today, james iha signed a new band to his hipster label, got some general tao's takeout, and insisted that his new rock solo album is on the way.

Caine Walker
06-05-2007, 02:10 PM
general tao's takeout sounds amazing right now. i had a salad for lunch. :(

Villarelo
06-05-2007, 02:11 PM
crying tree of mercury?
why does he insist on torturing the crowd?

I thought exactly like you until I heard the piano version on myspace. I have hopes on this one-

Edit: Opps, Cheurb Angel and Davin fucking beat me

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 02:11 PM
I had semi-frozen chicken nuggets just now which I barely paid attention to due to my overwhelming lust to hear this show.

If no one taped this, real tears are going to happen.

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 02:12 PM
Whats the deal with everyone hating on the Crying Tree but it seems there's always a ton of love for Wound and if you ask me that's a considerably more annoying song in terms of vocal delivery.

gruntage
06-05-2007, 02:12 PM
i just cried.

haha

Boseph
06-05-2007, 02:13 PM
Can anyone YSI the piano version of Crying Tree? I don't think I ever got around to hearing it.

cokelogic
06-05-2007, 02:13 PM
Holy Shite! I'm really hoping some record this. I NEED to hear these songs now.

- The Crying Tree of Mercury
- Crush (on piano)
- Daydream (bc vocals)
- Tarantula (solo)
- Drown
- Gossamer (acoustic)

Corganist
06-05-2007, 02:13 PM
In addition to the songs other people have mentioned, I also am eager to hear what acoustic Gossamer sounds like.
Not to mention acoustic Tarantula and acoustic United States. No telling what those sound like.

NilSineDeo
06-05-2007, 02:13 PM
If no one taped this, real tears are going to happen.

me too. and for the love of god, people.... be patient with this coming out. no need to piss off the one or two tapers who were there

Anvil Hands
06-05-2007, 02:14 PM
Whats the deal with everyone hating on the Crying Tree but it seems there's always a ton of love for Wound and if you ask me that's a considerably more annoying song in terms of vocal delivery.

yes.

New Art Rioter
06-05-2007, 02:15 PM
Yeah, well said. Patience is a virtue.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 02:15 PM
me too. and for the love of god, people.... be patient with this coming out. no need to piss off the one or two tapers who were there

very good point.

NothingSafe
06-05-2007, 02:15 PM
me too. and for the love of god, people.... be patient with this coming out. no need to piss off the one or two tapers who were there

Indeed :)

Anvil Hands
06-05-2007, 02:16 PM
Wasn't Darcy bitching that Billy wouldn't let her sing daydream on the Arizing tour ?

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 02:16 PM
Can anyone YSI the piano version of Crying Tree? I don't think I ever got around to hearing it.


i'll up it in a few moments for you if someone doesn't beat me to it

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 02:16 PM
be patient with this coming out. no need to piss off the one or two tapers who were there

Oh, hell no. They can take as long as they want. I just want someone to reassure me with "yes, we got it, and it's coming." XD

Also, I agree that Wound is noticiably more annoying for me than CTOM, but really I'm not a huge fan of either. Piano CT is really better, so I'm looking forward to this if that's what it was.

Martyr
06-05-2007, 02:17 PM
This is the stuff. Genuine excitement.

Gossamer
06-05-2007, 02:17 PM
I wonder what kind of lame questions the band picked.

"Hey Billy, just wondering how your cats were doing?"

Cool As Ice Cream
06-05-2007, 02:18 PM
i need a time travelling machine, now! (or later)

sppunk
06-05-2007, 02:18 PM
I'd ask Billy how much he sold his piece of the gold coast for.

Boseph
06-05-2007, 02:21 PM
i'll up it in a few moments for you if someone doesn't beat me to it

Great, thanks!

cokelogic
06-05-2007, 02:21 PM
Crying Tree from myspace
http://media.putfile.com/crying-tree-from-myspace

Floppy Nono
06-05-2007, 02:21 PM
Crying Tree (Piano/Vox)

http://www.mediafire.com/?4hjbiznifkx


edit: just got beat to it :D

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 02:23 PM
Crying Tree from myspace
http://media.putfile.com/crying-tree-from-myspace

You know, it really is so much nicer without the mournful baby elephant. It almost sounds like it was an Adore outtake in another life.

markpregen
06-05-2007, 02:23 PM
it said there was a complete acoustic set, and we know gossamer was acoustic.. so set 2 must have been totally acoustic.. but was set 1 acoustic?

loopusman
06-05-2007, 02:26 PM
Both sets acoustic

behold_TheBliss
06-05-2007, 02:26 PM
They played drown... :(

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 02:27 PM
They played drown... :(

Why the sad face? Don't like Drown, or wish you had been there?

cokelogic
06-05-2007, 02:28 PM
it said there was a complete acoustic set, and we know gossamer was acoustic.. so set 2 must have been totally acoustic.. but was set 1 acoustic?Besides Hummer, the first set looks like it could be played all acousticly.

loopusman
06-05-2007, 02:30 PM
06/05/07
Berlin, Germany
Location: Zitadelle Spandau (http://www.zitadelle-spandau.de)
Room: Gotischer Saal
http://www.zitadelle-spandau.de/Konzerte_und_Veranstaltungen/a_Konzert3.jpg
http://www.zitadelle-spandau.de/Konzerte_und_Veranstaltungen/a_Konzert2.jpg

Start: 18:00
End: 20:00

Both sets acoustic


Set 1:

- Hummer
- Shame
- Tonight, Tonight
- Home
- Glass and the Ghost Children
- The Crying Tree of Mercury
- Crush
- Untitled
- Today
- Bleeding the Orchid
- United States

Intermission

Set 2:

- Thirty-Three
- Daydream (bc vocals)
- Tarantula,
- Winterlong
- Neverlost
- Drown
- Gossamer

bardy
06-05-2007, 02:33 PM
is that CTOM recorded from this concert? If so would someone please send it to me over AIM becuase I cant access any file sharing sites at work.. my name is vipbrj

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 02:33 PM
is that CTOM recorded from this concert? If so would someone please send it to me over AIM becuase I cant access any file sharing sites at work.. my name is vipbrj

No, it's from the myspace, probably a year ago. It's a demo.

loopusman
06-05-2007, 02:35 PM
Q&A examples, Sebastian remembered:

Why is the album called "Zeitgeist"?
BC: Because the name "Hasselhoff" is already assigned. David Hasselhoff will also be opening act for the gig tomorrow and he will play Siamese Dream.

Tarantula is called tarantula as a tribute to the Scoprions. Billy pointed out that this answer was meant serious.

Boseph
06-05-2007, 02:36 PM
Wow, the piano version of Crying Tree really is endlessly better. It's actually quite a lovely song... Who would've known?

Thanks Floppy Nono and cokelogic for the uploads.

bardy
06-05-2007, 02:36 PM
oh lame, I thought maybe it had been posted on the band's myspace page.

I cant see myspace either, okay!

New Art Rioter
06-05-2007, 02:38 PM
Q&A examples, Sebastian remembered:

Why is the album called "Zeitgeist"?
BC: Because the name "Hasselhoff" is already assigned. David Hasselhoff will also be opening act for the gig tomorrow and he will play Siamese Dream.

Tarantula is called tarantula as a tribute to the Scoprions. Billy pointed out that this answer was meant serious.

I bet all the questions will be like this - ie, chosen beforehand to avoid sensitive issues

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 02:40 PM
Billy thinks he's a stand up comic doesn't he.

Elvis The Fat Years
06-05-2007, 02:41 PM
I bet all the questions will be like this - ie, chosen beforehand to avoid sensitive issues

read the thread

Q+A: You had to write down questions before gig, Questions were chosen.

flavin
06-05-2007, 02:41 PM
Good to hear this stuffs!

Thomas
06-05-2007, 02:42 PM
http://www.zitadelle-spandau.de/Downloadangebote/Gotische2.gif

Gossamer
06-05-2007, 02:42 PM
Ugh people asked the stupidest fucking questions.

Everyone should of just asked good questions or not written anything.

bardy
06-05-2007, 02:44 PM
I'm totally getting marred in that "castle" now guys!!!!!!!!

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 02:44 PM
I'm totally getting marred in that "castle" now guys!!!!!!!!

Hahahaha, yeah you are.

Ghost Children
06-05-2007, 02:45 PM
This is probably the first and last time that I seriously regret not living in Germany.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Ugh people asked the stupidest fucking questions.

Everyone should of just asked good questions or not written anything.
lol look at this guy

AndySlash
06-05-2007, 02:48 PM
I'm totally getting marred in that "castle" now guys!!!!!!!!

I'd pay for that.

New Art Rioter
06-05-2007, 02:48 PM
read the thread

Q+A: You had to write down questions before gig, Questions were chosen.

Yeah, I did spot that, I wasn't very clear in my post. My point that I managed to avoid getting across was that I think all the questions chosen will be about the issues related to the new music and the new album as opposed to the history/personnel etc... trying to get people excited in the new stuff instead of dwelling on the past. Still, it'll be interesting to get a bit more background on Zeitgeist.

Gossamer
06-05-2007, 02:49 PM
No seriously though.

Who the hell goes to a secret show where you can ask the band any question you want and then you write down something that you can find in 5 seconds on wikipedia.

Kahlo
06-05-2007, 02:49 PM
hahaha

5 stars

Thomas
06-05-2007, 02:50 PM
guys, i hope this has been taped...

i press my fingers very hard right now... :)

MisterSquishyHalo
06-05-2007, 02:51 PM
holy crap.

aja3
06-05-2007, 02:51 PM
guys, i hope this has been taped...

i press my fingers very hard right now... :)

keep pressing

monkeyfritters
06-05-2007, 02:52 PM
i press my fingers very hard right now... :)


pretty much all that needs to be said... :erm:

Virex Kills
06-05-2007, 02:52 PM
I would have loved to be in the room when they read thru the questions to pick the ones they wanted answered. That would have been amazing, and probably lots of lols.

Setlist is sweeeet. Daydream! Take that Darcy. Im realllllllll[...]lllllly excited now for the residencies! Man. Twill be sweet.

Caine Walker
06-05-2007, 02:53 PM
<H1>I HOPE IT WAS TAPED<H1><H1>I HOPE IT WAS TAPED<H1><H1>I HOPE IT WAS TAPED<H1><H1>I HOPE IT WAS TAPED<H1>

Skradgee
06-05-2007, 02:56 PM
uhh, me too

wayners
06-05-2007, 02:57 PM
<H1>I HOPE IT WAS TAPED<H1><H1>I HOPE IT WAS TAPED<H1><H1>I HOPE IT WAS TAPED<H1><H1>I HOPE IT WAS TAPED<H1>

and somebody share it ;)

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 03:01 PM
I'm totally getting marred in that "castle" now guys!!!!!!!!

It actually looks like a rather nice place to get married. And would probably be especially appropriate if you want SP songs played at the ceremony.

*attempts valiantly to brainwash her significant other*

C'mon c'mon c'mon. Someone get home and say they taped it!

MayonaiseBoy
06-05-2007, 03:08 PM
Holy hell... what a show, and acoustic... me likey!

automata
06-05-2007, 03:09 PM
ooooh, Daydream and drown acoustic. mmm...

Anvil Hands
06-05-2007, 03:17 PM
Billy taped it. He tapes everything doesn't he ?

Gershwin79
06-05-2007, 03:21 PM
Ok just came back. Concert was great. Here's a short review:


Set 1:

- Hummer: oh well it's hummer, what else can I say


- Shame: was good, it was the new version they played on the tour so far but of course accoustic

- Tonight, Tonight:always a classic

- Home:liked it a lot


- Glass and the Ghost Children: best version of the song I ever heard,imho. played like on the tour so far but muuuuch better accoustic

- The Crying Tree of Mercury: ok b0lly you took piano lessons and it was nice but next time let Lisa play it

- Crush:never expected this one, that was cool, billy on piano, jimmy on drums

- Untitled: ok I'm sorry to say it again but I liked it a lot

- Today: oh well, we all know....


- Bleeding the Orchid: first new song played, doesn't sound too different from the other live versions but great song


- United States:liked it, it was like Johnny Cash on Speed, was kinda bluesy, the last part (where people usually clap and the thing after) is better with e-set. you noticed they didn't have enough time to think something up for that beforehand



Intermission

Set 2:

- Thirty-Three: oh well same as on the other concerts

- Daydream : NEVER EVER expected this one. during this part billy was playing solo and quite talkative. told how he wrote this song while living with his father and having to pay rent to him and so on.

- Tarantula:weak point of the set, it was interesting to see B0lly play it all by himself but as he had said before: he never tried it unplugged before and you could hear that. still fun somehow.

- Winterlong: played accoustic before

- Neverlost: nice song, not really grown on me yet

- Drown: omg omg omg, love that song

- Gossamer: liked it, nice jam at the end but one of those songs which need to be played electric imho


hmmm the person who wrote this list forgot:

That's the way. it was somewhere in the 2nd set but I don't remember the exact place. my fav. of the new songs so far and I liked this version a lot too.

The questions:

Questions had to be handed in before and the woman from the Radio station asked a few of them. Most were useless like "what have you done in Berlin so far" and stuff like that.

Asked about the album B and J told how they recorded it and stayed in a house together and stuff like that.

Someone asked about the white clothes: Jimmy said something like, it's not uncomfortable physically but it kinda hurts the eye lol

Well I think the Jeff and Ginger question was answered by itself. After the set they went off stage and only B0lly and Jimmy stayed to answer questions....

Jeff was great imho, did some great solos and stuff.

Before the concert started the band was sitting outside eating and drinking. I couldn't see Ginger and there was a blond woman sitting at the table and from some distance she looked like D'Arcy. Me and my mate were like "omfg D'Arcy???" but when we passed the table we noticed it was not her lol

GREAT concert, lots of white candles, nice atmosphere I'm so glad I could see this, I just hope someone could record it

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 03:25 PM
Well I think the Jeff and Ginger question was answered by itself. After the set they went off stage and only B0lly and Jimmy stayed to answer questions....

Well now that is just confusing. Are they in the band or aren't they?

(Billy playing the piano = sexy. Don't know why. :blush: )

Rockisdead
06-05-2007, 03:26 PM
Well I think the Jeff and Ginger question was answered by itself. After the set they went off stage and only B0lly and Jimmy stayed to answer questions....

While this doesn't come unexpected, I still find it pretty sad.

somaziro
06-05-2007, 03:28 PM
they are probably just touring musicians

Gossamer
06-05-2007, 03:28 PM
Yeah that's kind of upsetting actually.

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 03:29 PM
While this doesn't come unexpected, I still find it pretty sad.

I agree. This morning Ginger updated her Myspace to say "I am a Pumpkin" but it seems like so far she's decoration and that's it. It IS sad, the liminal, ephemeral odd non-band-member status they seem to have.

smashapumpkin
06-05-2007, 03:29 PM
Yeah that's kind of upsetting actually.
it is

luciddream33
06-05-2007, 03:29 PM
Questions had to be handed in before and the woman from the Radio station asked a few of them. Most were useless like "what have you done in Berlin so far" and stuff like that.
Well? What had they done in Berlin?

It's bad enough that someone wastes their question asking that, it's worse that the DJ actually asked that. There are a million other (better) things pertaining to the band that could have been asked without offending Billy.

gogogodzirra
06-05-2007, 03:31 PM
/tinfoil hat

maybe they are trying to slowly bring them into pumpkins universe ?

still kinda odd to have them leave before the questions...

smashapumpkin
06-05-2007, 03:33 PM
wheres the boot?

Gershwin79
06-05-2007, 03:36 PM
Yes I was disappointed by that as well. I mean, it doesn't HAVE to mean anything as they are new and the album was done by b0lly and jimmy alone and I had the feeling they fit together quite nicely and enjoyed it but it was sad when they just left. Ginger stayed some time behind us to listen to them talk but left after a while. Maybe it needs a bit more time. When I heard the songs today it seems like b0lly and jeff are jamming together accoustic in the bus or so because they played really nicely togehter and the improvisation was great, especially when they switched soloing in some songs.

I also guess we can expect more songs in the future because they all knew "Drown" lol

Gershwin79
06-05-2007, 03:39 PM
Well? What had they done in Berlin?

It's bad enough that someone wastes their question asking that, it's worse that the DJ actually asked that. There are a million other (better) things pertaining to the band that could have been asked without offending Billy.


Jimmy said:" I went to see the Reichstag. Quite impressive. Has to be the biggest building in the world. (people laughed) well, I mean it's German, makes you feel kinda small. (someone asked if he went up the roof). No I was just walking around a bit"

Billy:"I love German food. I actually spent the whole day eating, sausages mainly"

something like that.

Anvil Hands
06-05-2007, 03:39 PM
Yeah that's kind of upsetting actually.


I find it disturbing too. :cry:

gogogodzirra
06-05-2007, 03:42 PM
one quick question-

Did they seem pretty happy during the set?

in the past its been pretty obvious whether they are enjoying a tour or not.

luciddream33
06-05-2007, 03:42 PM
Billy:"I love German food. I actually spent the whole day eating, saussages mainly"
Oh yeah, that's going to go over real well with the kids here at Netphoria.

Rockisdead
06-05-2007, 03:43 PM
I agree. This morning Ginger updated her Myspace to say "I am a Pumpkin" but it seems like so far she's decoration and that's it. It IS sad, the liminal, ephemeral odd non-band-member status they seem to have.

This is the one thing I didn't like about their performance at Rock am Ring. It was just Billy thanking the audience after the show while every other band of the festival took a bow collectively. Hell, even the Axl Rose freak show called Guns N' Roses did that last year. Is this a band or isn't it? While the performance was pretty flawless and the chemistry between the band is definitely there this one move by Billy made it feel like the Billy Corgan show which is kinda sad, because to me the Pumpkins have always been a band.

sppunk
06-05-2007, 03:44 PM
It's Billy Corgan & the Smashing Pumpkins.

You people need to realize this and move on.

SlingeroGuitaro
06-05-2007, 03:45 PM
Billy:" sausages mainly"


bolly eye for the queer guys


Oh yeah, that's going to go over real well with the kids here at Netphoria.

ask and ye shall receive

drbenway
06-05-2007, 03:45 PM
This is the one thing I didn't like about their performance at Rock am Ring. It was just Billy thanking the audience after the show while every other band of the festival took a bow collectively. Hell, even the Axl Rose freak show called Guns N' Roses did that last year. Is this a band or isn't it? While the performance was pretty flawless and the chemistry between the band is definitely there this one move by Billy made it feel like the Billy Corgan show which is kinda sad, because to me the Pumpkins have always been a band.

He's always done this, I think. Isn't there even some footage on Vieuphoria of him lingering after the show?

jamesey
06-05-2007, 03:46 PM
I agree. This morning Ginger updated her Myspace to say "I am a Pumpkin" but it seems like so far she's decoration and that's it. It IS sad, the liminal, ephemeral odd non-band-member status they seem to have.

yeah, it's real sad when she's lighting cuban cigars with hundred dollar bills being served to her by a butler.

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 03:46 PM
This is the one thing I didn't like about their performance at Rock am Ring. It was just Billy thanking the audience after the show while every other band of the festival took a bow collectively. Hell, even the Axl Rose freak show called Guns N' Roses did that last year. Is this a band or isn't it? While the performance was pretty flawless and the chemistry between the band is definitely there this one move by Billy made it feel like the Billy Corgan show which is kinda sad, because to me the Pumpkins have always been a band.

It sort of sucks. I'm not one of those who is continuously whining about where James is, and I'm completely willing to accept new members in the band, but I DO want a band. I don't want "The Billy Show (And Sometimes His Lovely Assistant Jimmy)."

Gershwin79
06-05-2007, 03:46 PM
I had the feeling they enjoyed it. Saw Billy laughing several times and joking around. Jimmy was in a good mood as well.

Lisa sat on the side next to the people when she was not playing and she seemed to like what she heard.

Jeff was really good, he seems to be kinda quiet and shy. saw him smile once or twice as well.

Ginger was on the other side and I couldn't see her for most of the concert. all I thought was "omg she's so tiny"

caliphornia
06-05-2007, 03:49 PM
Yeah that's kind of upsetting actually.
agreed.

drbenway
06-05-2007, 03:49 PM
I DO want a band

Why?

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 03:55 PM
Billy thinks he's a stand up comic doesn't he.

comedy doesn't pay.

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 03:55 PM
Why?

You know, I don't know. Something about it right now just tastes off to me, though.

Gershwin79
06-05-2007, 04:00 PM
Why?


Oh well, because they play really nicely together, sound was good, chemistry was great. I liked Jeff and Ginger and they did a great job and then they walk offstage and b0lly sits there alone with jimmy talking about THEIR new album.

I don't think the Smashing Pumpkins need James or D'Arcy (although I would have liked to see them) but

when they did this interview thing, there was no band there. SP are a band. In the end it was just b0lly, the interview part could have been for Zwan or TFE as well. I mean even if Jeff and Ginger had nothing to say they should have stayed on stage.

Maybe we'll see that later on when everyone gets used to it (including the band). I mean things have to grow together, I had the same experience with my former band after we exchanged 2 members. It really takes some time to know if they will fit and to get closer together even if you can play together nicely.

I mean b0lly and jimmy know each other for how long? 20 years. As a 27 year old musician joining such a band with 2 such people it will be quite hard to get in and become a friend, that takes some time. maybe later, we'll see.

drbenway
06-05-2007, 04:00 PM
You know, I don't know. Something about it right now just tastes off to me, though.

I think the "band" image has been totally manufactured from the get-go, first with The Smashing Pumpkins, and then with Zwan. Corgan, like a lot of people here (and I don't mean that derisively), are infatuated with the idea of a band. But, functionally speaking, a band should operate as a collective, a group of individuals whose respective musicalities contribute to a distinctive, overarching sound. We're not seeing that here, nor have we ever. What we've gotten, instead, are heavily mediated impressions of a group of "personalities".

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 04:02 PM
Questions had to be handed in before and the woman from the Radio station asked a few of them. Most were useless like "what have you done in Berlin so far" and stuff like that.

Asked about the album B and J told how they recorded it and stayed in a house together and stuff like that.

Someone asked about the white clothes: Jimmy said something like, it's not uncomfortable physically but it kinda hurts the eye lol

Well I think the Jeff and Ginger question was answered by itself. After the set they went off stage and only B0lly and Jimmy stayed to answer questions...

it's nice that they want to talk to the fans and all, but they are avoiding any subject of more than passing interest. and jeff and ginger are either in the band or not; has billy even mentioned them at all yet?

Before the concert started the band was sitting outside eating and drinking. I couldn't see Ginger and there was a blond woman sitting at the table and from some distance she looked like D'Arcy. Me and my mate were like "omfg D'Arcy???" but when we passed the table we noticed it was not her lol

darcy is the new elvis, except she's alive and not fat.

waltermcphilp
06-05-2007, 04:03 PM
He's always done this, I think. Isn't there even some footage on Vieuphoria of him lingering after the show?

i think he even broke out an acapela version of "sweet sweet"

skipgo
06-05-2007, 04:05 PM
He's always done this, I think. Isn't there even some footage on Vieuphoria of him lingering after the show?


yeah, the first time i saw the band in 94 he stayed out on stage long after the rest of the band left, just getting feedback from his monitors. He didn't leave until someone threw something at him....

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 04:06 PM
I think the "band" image has been totally manufactured from the get-go, first with The Smashing Pumpkins, and then with Zwan. Corgan, like a lot of people here (and I don't mean that derisively), are infatuated with the idea of a band. But, functionally speaking, a band should operate as a collective, a group of individuals whose respective musicalities contribute to a distinctive, overarching sound. We're not seeing that here, nor have we ever. What we've gotten, instead, are heavily mediated impressions of a group of "personalities".

You know, that's a really excellent point, and I don't mean that sarcastically. In that case, I want my group of personalities instead of disposable touring musicians.

drbenway
06-05-2007, 04:06 PM
Anywho, we're getting off-topic, here.

Where's the boot?

sweetanthony
06-05-2007, 04:07 PM
I think the "band" image has been totally manufactured from the get-go, first with The Smashing Pumpkins, and then with Zwan. Corgan, like a lot of people here (and I don't mean that derisively), are infatuated with the idea of a band. But, functionally speaking, a band should operate as a collective, a group of individuals whose respective musicalities contribute to a distinctive, overarching sound. We're not seeing that here, nor have we ever. What we've gotten, instead, are heavily mediated impressions of a group of "personalities".

I think you're dead on. When they were in their prime (SD into MCIS) we forgot about how it really was and were blinding by the awesomeness. Now we have had time to think about it (as have they) and its just sooooooo different, that there's no illusion anymore.

It is what it is. Just love the music and forget all the cute and cuddley shit that came with James and D'arcy. They're gone and so is the feeling of our little Pumpkins.

All they can do now is let Jeff and Ginger get more comfortable and gel as musicians... the Residencies should allow them to do that. And we'll be blown away by their rock because this IS the best four (five actually) musicians SP has ever assembled.

drbenway
06-05-2007, 04:08 PM
You know, that's a really excellent point, and I don't mean that sarcastically. In that case, I want my group of personalities instead of disposable touring musicians.

I suppose we could look at it this way: previously we had personalities who couldn't play, now we have people who can play with no personality (that we've been allowed exposure to, anyway). So, which is the better situation?

wHATcOLOR
06-05-2007, 04:09 PM
kenny aranoff is going to kick your ass bro

and you can expect a slap from garson as well

Caine Walker
06-05-2007, 04:13 PM
if all of you retards will remember correctly, billy was the only one who stuck around and thanked the crowd after Machina shows.

they were never a *band* who came together to write songs as a group. if you want that, listen to Tool or something.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 04:14 PM
I think you're dead on. When they were in their prime (SD into MCIS) we forgot about how it really was and were blinding by the awesomeness. Now we have had time to think about it (as have they) and its just sooooooo different, that there's no illusion anymore.

It is what it is. Just love the music and forget all the cute and cuddley shit that came with James and D'arcy. They're gone and so is the feeling of our little Pumpkins.

All they can do now is let Jeff and Ginger get more comfortable and gel as musicians... the Residencies should allow them to do that. And we'll be blown away by their rock because this IS the best four (five actually) musicians SP has ever assembled.

I don't think WE forgot how it really was, I think that's when it was really crystallized. Specifically, towards the end of the SD tour. As the Pumpkins became bigger, and Billy realized they were becoming huge on the album was written 85% by him, he probably figured he was the band. So he kept the band around because that was the status quo, and when he had to boot Jimmy, he realized that the rest of the members were flexible too. He exercised that option again in 99 with Darcy, and since the end of SP1 he has essentially cherry picked who he chooses to surround himself with.

I'd love to see Jeff specifically stay around, but who knows with Billy at this point.

drbenway
06-05-2007, 04:14 PM
if all of you retards will remember correctly, billy was the only one who stuck around and thanked the crowd after Machina shows.

they were never a *band* who came together to write songs as a group. if you want that, listen to Tool or something.

I think we just finished covering all of that. Thanks, though.

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 04:15 PM
I think the "band" image has been totally manufactured from the get-go, first with The Smashing Pumpkins, and then with Zwan. Corgan, like a lot of people here (and I don't mean that derisively), are infatuated with the idea of a band. But, functionally speaking, a band should operate as a collective, a group of individuals whose respective musicalities contribute to a distinctive, overarching sound. We're not seeing that here, nor have we ever. What we've gotten, instead, are heavily mediated impressions of a group of "personalities".

have you ever watched interviews of the pumpkins, or stage behaviour, where darcy gives billy a look or makes some comment about him which indicates she disagrees with him, or thinks he's being an ass? that's the difference. an employee would never do that (twice, anyway). you're referring to some mythic ideal of the perfect band.

skipgo
06-05-2007, 04:15 PM
forget all the cute and cuddley shit that came with James and D'arcy.

:rofl: James and D'arcy were so cute and cuddley. Like little teddy bears. Or kittens.

drbenway
06-05-2007, 04:16 PM
I don't think WE forgot how it really was, I think that's when it was really crystallized. Specifically, towards the end of the SD tour. As the Pumpkins became bigger, and Billy realized they were becoming huge on the album was written 85% by him, he probably figured he was the band. So he kept the band around because that was the status quo, and when he had to boot Jimmy, he realized that the rest of the members were flexible too. He exercised that option again in 99 with Darcy, and since the end of SP1 he has essentially cherry picked who he chooses to surround himself with.

I'd love to see Jeff specifically stay around, but who knows with Billy at this point.

From the get-go he's gone out of his way to take most of the credit for the band. He even bent over backwards to make sure everyone knew he played most of the guitar leads on Gish. It was his band. It existed in his head before he even met the others.

Gershwin79
06-05-2007, 04:17 PM
oh, I forgot one more thing:

Someone asked about the 2007 thing in Pisces and billy seemed kinda confused. Some weird answer. it has nothing to do with a fortuneteller but he thinks it's weird those numbers and all fit so nicely and he's superstitious or something like that. didn't really get it as I couldn't really hear the person who asked it.

fomm
06-05-2007, 04:18 PM
You know, I would probably do the same: slowly introduce the new members to the long time fans, who loved Billy, Jimmy, D'Arcy and James for all these years for being Smashing Pumpkins. Billy probably doesn't even know the new members are accepted very well by the majority of fans, way better than expected.
What kind of questions should Ginger and Jeff answer anyway? They got into the band after Zeitgeist was done. Give them time to build up their history with the Smashing Pumpkins.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 04:19 PM
From the get-go he's gone out of his way to take most of the credit for the band. He even bent over backwards to make sure everyone knew he played most of the guitar leads on Gish. It was his band. It existed in his head before he even met the others.

That's very true, but I think SD let the ego out. The success gave him the right to take credit, and complete control. James was lucky to get a song in on MCIS.

drbenway
06-05-2007, 04:19 PM
have you ever watched interviews of the pumpkins, or stage behaviour, where darcy gives billy a look or makes some comment about him which indicates she disagrees with him, or thinks he's being an ass? that's the difference. an employee would never do that (twice, anyway). you're referring to some mythic ideal of the perfect band.

What? C'mon, man... Zeppelin? The Beatles? Queen? Radiohead? Any of these bands ring a bell? The "ideal" you're accusing me of referring to happens all the time, I'm just saying it doesn't ALWAYS happen, nor does it need to to generate good music.

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 04:19 PM
he's into numerology, no doubt or some other new-agey bullshit.

wHATcOLOR
06-05-2007, 04:20 PM
i hope someone prints up an easy-to-read summary with pictures of these so-called "long horses" and brings it to one of the ashville or sf shows and asks bill to say whether or not he was specifically referencing these animals

Caine Walker
06-05-2007, 04:21 PM
I think we just finished covering all of that. Thanks, though.

i must have missed it in the smarm of people who fucking whine about everything. thanks, though.

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 04:23 PM
What? C'mon, man... Zeppelin? The Beatles? Queen? Radiohead? Any of these bands ring a bell? The "ideal" you're accusing me of referring to happens all the time, I'm just saying it doesn't ALWAYS happen, nor does it need to to generate good music.

agreed, i'm just puzzled that people are choosing to debate this now. we've known for a long time that it was billy's band; he is the great pumpkin, after all. what i was indicating is that a band can still function as such, dynamically, even with a defined focal point, creatively and in terms of dominant persona. this does not make it "billy and the pumpkins" though.

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 04:24 PM
i hope someone prints up an easy-to-read summary with pictures of these so-called "long horses" and brings it to one of the ashville or sf shows and asks bill to say whether or not he was specifically referencing these animals

what are they, some kind of pig?

Gershwin79
06-05-2007, 04:25 PM
ok one last thing:

the radio was there, I don't know if or when they will show it but as Anja Caspary was doing the interview I guess it might be next monday evening from 9 to eleven, I'll mail them and ask. They have all shows as live webcast. There were 2 guys filming it as well, dunno where they came from though.

and here's the official setlist:

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/gallery/pics/spandaucitadel_berlin_060507.jpg

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 04:26 PM
agreed, i'm just puzzled that people are choosing to debate this now. we've known for a long time that it was billy's band; he is the great pumpkin, after all. what i was indicating is that a band can still function as such, dynamically, even with a defined focal point, creatively and in terms of dominant persona. this does not make it "billy and the pumpkins" though.

I think we've all known this for sometime, there had just been a flicker of hope that maybe Ginger and Jeff would stick around for more than a tour.

drbenway
06-05-2007, 04:28 PM
agreed, i'm just puzzled that people are choosing to debate this now. we've known for a long time that it was billy's band; he is the great pumpkin, after all. what i was indicating is that a band can still function as such, dynamically, even with a defined focal point, creatively and in terms of dominant persona. this does not make it "billy and the pumpkins" though.

I think the question underlying a lot of these debates is, why resurrect the band at all? I think it's a question of what the band is and means to Billy Corgan, and his perception of what the band is is completely different from what it is to a lot of fans. Plus there's the ever-present (and valid) suspicion of financial/careerist motivations.

AlphaCentauri
06-05-2007, 04:32 PM
thank god they left bullet out. thank god.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 04:35 PM
Question for those who were there: did they play Shame circa 2007, or Shame circa 1998?

tcm
06-05-2007, 04:43 PM
Gershwin79 said here (http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost.php?p=2717044&postcount=156) that Shame was the new version.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 04:44 PM
Gershwin79 said here (http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost.php?p=2717044&postcount=156) that Shame was the new version.

Thank you sir. I should have read a little closer.

tcm
06-05-2007, 04:47 PM
and here's the official setlist:

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/gallery/pics/spandaucitadel_berlin_060507.jpg
hmm. notice the line at the bottom. the only other setlist they've posted that has one of those separating lines at the bottom is the Paris one, which we know originally had a third encore.

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/gallery/pics/paris22may.jpg

tcm
06-05-2007, 04:49 PM
then again, this is the only setlist without any encores, so maybe the first line is just there by default... probably shouldn't read anything into it.

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 04:50 PM
zeitgeist mystery commencing.

Gershwin79
06-05-2007, 04:53 PM
Well, i think for Billy it's his songs and the band is his idea. He wrote all those songs and when I saw him today I had the feeling again that they mean a lot to him, like when he talked about daydream today. You know, it's his music, his lyrics and the sound is just his style and it's actually his music which makes the Pumpkins different from all the other bands, I mean their sound was always a bit different from the mainstream. I can somehow understand him, he probably thought the thing is over and he has to try new stuff but when he had Zwan and TFE he tried to do other things but failed somehow.

Today he said: "When the band broke up in 2000, I mean we already knew it would in 1999 but I couldn't help it..."

We all know about the things with him being the tyrant and the evil bandmembers but somehow I have the feeling it is his music and his feelings (people who write songs themselves might know what I'm talking about) and it's hard to be someone else or make something different if you feel and play in another way.

I don't want to compare myself to BC but I had the same problems. Had a nice band, we went along well. I wrote all of the songs, then one member had to leave and the other just wasn't into it anymore because he wanted to try something different. Ok, got 2 new people, didn't know them as well and sooner or later it gets kinda complicated. You have your songs you wrote and love yourself and you want to play them. so what you do is tell the new ones how the song works and what they have to do. and you already fixed all the details in the years before with the other members who brought in their own input even if it was small, like a break at one point which gives you a new idea or something like that.

and you start to tell them "ok, and when we come to this part you do this, and then you do that." and you already ARE the tyrant. you bring some new songs as well. notice that the others already have the feeling that you try to tell them what to do all the time and it kinda gets really hard to integrate them because in the beginning you hired them, you teach them and they enter a group of people who are friends for years already and feel kinda left out.

This was when I lost my first band years ago. I know it's not the same and I'm not BC neither were we the SP but something like that is a really problematic situation and the more people you have to change the more complicated it gets.

James and D'Arcy were always just playing along, then they dropped Jimmy, he came back, D'Arcy left, then James. I can understand that Billy wants to make HIS music and have HIS band, it's just that people got used to D'Arcy and James and like them but they are not the heart within the songs.

theeggofhope
06-05-2007, 04:56 PM
I think the birth and/or resurrection of Jesus Christ overshadows a concert, man.

maybe in your mind...

ordinary apathy
06-05-2007, 04:57 PM
darcy is the new elvis, except she's alive and not fat.


QFT

bawbageo
06-05-2007, 05:06 PM
thank god they left bullet out. thank god.

Not really a fan of that song... but having downloaded the Rock AM Ring gig, that version kinda tickled.

Bursting to hear Crush and Drown from this show.

God Bless.

RenewRevive
06-05-2007, 05:08 PM
Well, i think for Billy it's his songs and the band is his idea. He wrote all those songs and when I saw him today I had the feeling again that they mean a lot to him, like when he talked about daydream today. You know, it's his music, his lyrics and the sound is just his style and it's actually his music which makes the Pumpkins different from all the other bands, I mean their sound was always a bit different from the mainstream.

James and D'Arcy were always just playing along, then they dropped Jimmy, he came back, D'Arcy left, then James. I can understand that Billy wants to make HIS music and have HIS band, it's just that people got used to D'Arcy and James and like them but they are not the heart within the songs.

this was a pretty good post and i edited out your analogy due to its size, but your point was valid.

james' own music, both solo and within the pumpkins was very different to billy's, apparently not at all influenced by him and with his antipathetic persona it was hard to gauge just how into corgan's music he, or darcy actually was. i think people natuarally like to pidgeonhole roles for band members, whether this has any bearing to reality or not. james appeared more laid back and likeable than billy, for sure.

Corganist
06-05-2007, 05:26 PM
I think we've all known this for sometime, there had just been a flicker of hope that maybe Ginger and Jeff would stick around for more than a tour.
I kinda liken Ginger and Jeff to the sort of role Matt Walker played when he was in the band. He was kinda a faceless replacement type at first too, but he was with the band for quite a while, developed great live chemistry with them and even played on most of Adore. By the end I'm pretty sure the drummer job was his to keep if he wanted it (at least until Jimmy wanted to come back), but he left on his own terms before the Adore tour. I imagine if all goes well Ginger and Jeff will probably be able to play with Billy and Jimmy as long as they'd like.

theeggofhope
06-05-2007, 05:31 PM
I kinda liken Ginger and Jeff to the sort of role Matt Walker played when he was in the band. He was kinda a faceless replacement type at first too, but he was with the band for quite a while, developed great live chemistry with them and even played on most of Adore. By the end I'm pretty sure the drummer job was his to keep if he wanted it (at least until Jimmy wanted to come back), but he left on his own terms before the Adore tour. I imagine if all goes well Ginger and Jeff will probably be able to play with Billy and Jimmy as long as they'd like.

don't forget TheFutureEmbrace tour....Matt was cool as hell he stopped and talked to us for a little before one of the NYC shows, he said standing up and playing the eletric drum kit was fuckin up his back, and at the Boston show I was standing right in front of the stage and rocking out with matt all show, he tried to give me the drums sticks at the end of the concert, but I was getting mobbed by a crowd and he couldn't get them to me, I just laughed it off though and let the other people have em...

tcm
06-05-2007, 05:33 PM
Billy should of let Matt sit, what a fucking tyrant.

wHATcOLOR
06-05-2007, 05:40 PM
i need a moment to catch my breath. this uncharacteristically less than impeccable grammar from ted has me flummoxed, unless he's using a schtick

Steve Holt
06-05-2007, 05:41 PM
i don't really care if Ginger and Jeff are permanent members or not. if they are, great. if they're just touring members, great.

can't fucking believe they pulled Daydream out!

dudehitscar
06-05-2007, 05:44 PM
CRYING TREE OF MERCURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! AWESOME!

CRUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My 2nd favorite off Gish

Daydream should be interesting without the strings and corgan singing.

Can't wait to hear this bootleg.

million_watts
06-05-2007, 05:54 PM
listening to show atm. sounds tight. tarantula solo by billy is THE shit. lies have been burnt.

tcm
06-05-2007, 05:54 PM
i need a moment to catch my breath. this uncharacteristically less than impeccable grammar from ted has me flummoxed, unless he's using a schtick
'twas indeed a schtick, sir. no trouble at all.

genia.
06-05-2007, 05:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21_XGaOvrag

A minute of Daydream i recorded. Enjoy :)

firewoman
06-05-2007, 05:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21_XGaOvrag

A minute of Daydream i recorded. Enjoy :)

wow much thanks for this!

Gossamer
06-05-2007, 06:06 PM
Wow that was great.

Thanks Genia.

million_watts
06-05-2007, 06:07 PM
and before i forget, best quote of the night:

"we named taratula in honor of the great german band scorpions" *crowd laughs* "you're laughing, but i'm serious. [...] everytime i listen to 'wind of change' a wall inside of me falls."

Gossamer
06-05-2007, 06:14 PM
listening to show atm. sounds tight. tarantula solo by billy is THE shit. lies have been burnt.

wait did you record it or what?

MisterSquishyHalo
06-05-2007, 06:16 PM
It sucks, but It still doesnt take away my feeling that they will have a hand in new music at the residencies.

Maybe its still too soon for them to be considered slam dunk pumpkins? Maybe that won't happen until they create music AS pumpkins, that we can officially proclaim it

MisterSquishyHalo
06-05-2007, 06:18 PM
I kinda liken Ginger and Jeff to the sort of role Matt Walker played when he was in the band. He was kinda a faceless replacement type at first too, but he was with the band for quite a while, developed great live chemistry with them and even played on most of Adore. By the end I'm pretty sure the drummer job was his to keep if he wanted it (at least until Jimmy wanted to come back), but he left on his own terms before the Adore tour. I imagine if all goes well Ginger and Jeff will probably be able to play with Billy and Jimmy as long as they'd like.


In total agreement. I think this might be a trail process, and we will see where they will contribute at the residencies.

Martyr
06-05-2007, 06:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21_XGaOvrag

A minute of Daydream i recorded. Enjoy :)


nice. very very nice.

dudehitscar
06-05-2007, 06:21 PM
I think it's great that corgan is sticking with his random acoustic concerts idea he's been doing for a while. They always turn out great... Except for the machina era(Storytellers sucked).

His acoustic show in Australia for the TFE tour was great too.

caliphornia
06-05-2007, 06:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21_XGaOvrag

A minute of Daydream i recorded. Enjoy :)
this sounds great.

davin
06-05-2007, 06:47 PM
they are probably just touring musicians

Yeah that's kind of upsetting actually.

give it time. no matter how you label ginger and jeff, it was still just BC and JC on this album.

but next album, who knows...if everyone is happy and getting along....

MisterSquishyHalo
06-05-2007, 06:48 PM
..

Gossamer
06-05-2007, 06:50 PM
Were there any questions asked about the video for Tarantula or what was with the stolen pics?

I feel like the Q & A really must've sucked hardcore because nobody has really said too much about it.

MisterSquishyHalo
06-05-2007, 06:53 PM
Just when we think the setlist is not going to change. Bolly plays a song that was rarely played (crush), and a song that hasnt been played at all in 13 years (daydream).

He can drop 1 old school favorite, and we go gaga. He must love the ability to do that to us.

wHATcOLOR
06-05-2007, 06:55 PM
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*mutters about embed code again*

wHATcOLOR
06-05-2007, 06:56 PM
thanks for sharing this, pretty rad

i like when he played the part that's strings on the album

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 07:11 PM
I kinda liken Ginger and Jeff to the sort of role Matt Walker played when he was in the band. He was kinda a faceless replacement type at first too, but he was with the band for quite a while, developed great live chemistry with them and even played on most of Adore. By the end I'm pretty sure the drummer job was his to keep if he wanted it (at least until Jimmy wanted to come back), but he left on his own terms before the Adore tour. I imagine if all goes well Ginger and Jeff will probably be able to play with Billy and Jimmy as long as they'd like.

An excellent point, as others have pointed out, and I hope you're right. After listening to a number of the shows and watching the Rock am Ring concert, I have grown comfortable with Jeff. He's got great technical skill, Billy seems to enjoy soloing with him, and he's not visually showy. Very Pumpkin-like in that regard, and I appreciate it.

brendo_91
06-05-2007, 07:13 PM
the "dee dut dut dut dut"? yeah, awesome. he shoulda got lisa to play keyboard strings though, IMHO.

steelfaerie
06-05-2007, 07:16 PM
I'm fangirling Bolly right now like I was a 15 year old scenester again and high. I'm trying so hard not to put little ASCII hearts everywhere.

brendo_91
06-05-2007, 07:17 PM
<3 <3 <3

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 07:18 PM
if this was gchat, that shit would have rotated 90 degrees and <i>pulsated</i>

brendo_91
06-05-2007, 07:21 PM
i'd rotate you 90 degrees and pulsate.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 07:22 PM
Please sir, may I have some <i>more?</i>

brendo_91
06-05-2007, 07:24 PM
<3 <3 <3<3 <3 <3<3 <3 <3