View Full Version : Kind of a noob in terms of boots


MisterSquishyHalo
06-05-2007, 11:56 AM
What is considered the 5-6 best boots in terms of songs/length/boot quality/stage banter/ overall quality?

sweet17
06-05-2007, 12:07 PM
01.08.1997 - the GM Place; Vancouver, CAN is #1 without question.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 12:12 PM
well. if I had to pick 6 to take with me to a desert island, I'd probably pick one from each era, or so.

I'd take Avalon (88.08.10), 93.08.14 (one of the longest sets from that time, and a SBD), 96.02.03 (very long early MCIS set, great AUD quality), 97.02.05, 98.08.06 (one of the longest and best recorded Adore shows), and I'd probably bring an Arising show, DC most likely (99.04.15).

If I had to think long and hard about it, I'd drop either the 96 or 97 show to opt for the Meghan Brown boot of 00.12.02.

Smiley
06-05-2007, 12:59 PM
I'll give my favorites for each era, and I'll assume that you're not asking about videos.

Pre-Gish: 3/16/89 this one is a performance at a radio station, so you get some funny banter and the best quality you'll hear of this era. 10/5/88 is also an excellent early show if you get the CR05 version.

Gish: Mashed Potatoes has the best quality (soundboard) and best performances (hand selected by Billy) of live Gish songs. Tristessa and Bury Me are amazing, and there are so many unreleased songs on here it's crazy. This is the #1 must-have bootleg of any era.

Siamease Dream: I usually just listen to Earphoria (which isn't a bootleg), so I'm not sure what else to recommend.

MCIS: tie between 1/8/97 (radio broadcast; epic Siverfuck) & 7/5/97 (best audience bootleg ever; great setlist).

Adore: 7/28/98 radio broadcast; excellent Transmission.

Machina: 4/10/99 (not the best quality, but a historic show), 12/2/00 (ditto). There's also a Sacred & Profane Tour soundboard compilation out there if you looking for better quality than these two.

OTHER: Billy's Gravity Demos (2 discs of Pastichio stuff) and Machina Acoustic Demos. Everyone should have both of these in their collection.

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 01:04 PM
OTHER: Billy's Gravity Demos (2 discs of Pastichio stuff) and Machina Acoustic Demos. Everyone should have both of these in their collection.

Truth.

Spaceboy88
06-05-2007, 01:45 PM
It's all about the Reel Time Sessions for me.

Day dreaming Of Darcy
06-05-2007, 04:22 PM
01.08.1997 - the GM Place; Vancouver, CAN is #1 without question.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/spguitar/iharry.jpg

MisterSquishyHalo
06-05-2007, 08:44 PM
01.08.1997 - the GM Place; Vancouver, CAN is #1 without question.


I hear this alot. The reason behind this? great set list? Quality?

wally
06-05-2007, 08:56 PM
I hear this alot. The reason behind this? great set list? Quality?

All of the above. It's a nice overview of that leg of the tour. There are better individual performances of certains songs for different shows, but that one is just overall good.

wally
06-05-2007, 08:57 PM
Also, I divide up the MCIS tour into 3 sections, the club tour, the enormo-dome pre-Melvoin's death and the enormo-dome tour after his death. All three are definately different in terms of flavor and performance

Axis of Action
06-05-2007, 09:02 PM
Also, I divide up the MCIS tour into 3 sections, the club tour, the enormo-dome pre-Melvoin's death and the enormo-dome tour after his death. All three are definately different in terms of flavor and performance

Very true. There was a certain darkness for the later 96 and early 97 shows that is very unique in the Pumpkins catalogue. It's overwhelming quite frequently, and at times almost intimidating.

But of course it has made those concerts amazing in retrospect.

As a footnote, wally: I just realized we did a trade together a number of years ago. Go figure!

douglas78
06-05-2007, 09:17 PM
01.08.1997 - the GM Place; Vancouver, CAN is #1 without question.


:p

yoshinobu's revenge
06-06-2007, 12:32 AM
From my favourite era (Gish/pre-Gish): I enjoy CR05, Reel-Time, Mashed Potatoes and the WZRD-FM performance the best. Any of the really early shows are a treat because of the setlists, etc.

And other than those already mentioned:

Adore - I like the "secret" Sydney show. Also Hamburg 5-14.
Machina - There is a pretty decent SBD compilation someone made once that I listen to. Also the MuchMusic performance in Canada.



I have my own question for the knowledgeable listeners here - how many SBD shows are there roughly in total. And also, how many FM sourced?

Smiley
06-06-2007, 01:16 AM
Oh, I totally forgot to mention the acoustic Reel Time Session from '89. It's the funniest SP bootleg evar. Billy was stoned out of his mind and couldn't stop laughing.

waltermcphilp
06-06-2007, 03:06 AM
i crack up when they play "she"

"she- ooooo fuck" classic.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2007, 03:56 AM
"COUGH SNIFFLE"

hahahahaha rofl lol lmao

wally
06-06-2007, 09:39 AM
As a footnote, wally: I just realized we did a trade together a number of years ago. Go figure!

what did we trade?

New Art Rioter
06-06-2007, 09:44 AM
Check the 91 hotel room acoustic show. Great performance and the interview is fantastic to hear.

What late 96/97 shows would people recommend? I love that era, the setlists were crazy. Shame there's only the Vancouver show AFAIK that captures it in full in great quality.

Brute Squad
06-06-2007, 10:40 AM
I have my own question for the knowledgeable listeners here - how many SBD shows are there roughly in total. And also, how many FM sourced?

FM sourced: a few dozen?

SBDs: 11
1990-12-31
1992-01-19
1993-08-14
1993-12-11
2000-05-13
2000-05-14
2000-05-24
2000-09-18
2000-09-20
2000-09-21
2000-09-23
2000-09-24

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2007, 11:05 AM
from what date approximately did billy start taping all his shows? was it '94 or '96?

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2007, 11:25 AM
u sure? ok then, when did he start taping every show on dat? i think it's mentioned in the same interview he mentions spending thousands of dollars per year to preserve those tapes. i thought it was either 94 or 96. not earlier.

Brute Squad
06-06-2007, 11:33 AM
I'm fairly certain it's the MCIS-era and on.

Axis of Action
06-06-2007, 11:39 AM
what did we trade?

I have no idea, it was at least 3 years ago. Pumpkins, maybe Zwan. I just noticed your name on my trader history when I put my bootlist up in the other thread.

Day dreaming Of Darcy
06-06-2007, 01:04 PM
u sure? ok then, when did he start taping every show on dat?

I believe it's actually ADAT which records 8 separate channels simultaneously.

MisterSquishyHalo
06-06-2007, 01:17 PM
This list looks good..many of these shows are at the RSPAA

AlphaCentauri
06-06-2007, 01:21 PM
3/2/00. Providence, RI - Lupos

The intensity at this show was crazy. I think they were in rare form.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2007, 02:13 PM
I believe it's actually ADAT which records 8 separate channels simultaneously.
i stand corrected.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2007, 02:37 PM
I'm fairly certain it's the MCIS-era and on.
thanks.

MisterSquishyHalo
06-06-2007, 03:46 PM
3/2/00. Providence, RI - Lupos

The intensity at this show was crazy. I think they were in rare form.


yeah. What was going on with that show? Their set list looked really good

Axis of Action
06-06-2007, 05:12 PM
Christ, I'm listening to 97/02/05, and they're playing Cherub Rock at about mach 3.

Brute Squad
06-06-2007, 05:25 PM
Christ, I'm listening to 97/02/05, and they're playing Cherub Rock at about mach 3.

Cosmo can handle it!

Axis of Action
06-06-2007, 05:36 PM
Cosmo can handle it!

I'm pretty sure the ratio of screams to actual singing is about 2:1 on this boot. Although I think that's true for any of the 97 shows. I haven't listened to one of these shows in years. His fury was boundless.

ToEachesOwn
06-06-2007, 06:23 PM
Adore era, I always liked 08/04/98 from Atlanta.