i want you to push me over the edge

this is entertainment

come back to the other one, this one is too public. nobodies reading that other thread, itll be more intimate

i never really understood sleepers dislike for sean casey. sean is a pathological liar but his character is entertaining. he says hilarious stuff and is a baller. but as a human being he is nowhere near the putrid levels of nimrods son so i dont really understand the hate.

^ Dang looks like we got another Honest Opinion Man on our hands

i never really understood sleepers dislike for sean casey. sean is a pathological liar but his character is entertaining. he says hilarious stuff and is a baller. but as a human being he is nowhere near the putrid levels of nimrods son so i dont really understand the hate.


dont get me wrong, i think nimrod is infinitely worse than a guy like sean. but i dislike sean for the same reasons i dislike you, which is that youre both hopelessly attached to bullshit trolling and other totally worthless shit. when sean is being straight i think hes alright, but hes always playing some idiotic game.

plus hes unnervingly self conscious all the time, it makes me depressed.

brilliant sleeper. what's goin' on in your life? any success as an intellectual yet?

I got the best insult ever off sleeper. Something about being so deadpan i sound like a zoned out crackhead.

tasty, i'm playing greg your raps right now and we're enj'ing it!

I got the best insult ever off sleeper. Something about being so deadpan i sound like a zoned out crackhead.
I forgot the whole thing he repped me, something about horrible taste in music, but it ended with wanting to burn me at the stake for being a born again christian.
it's not a terribly original thought, but it was such an archaic notion, it was endearing.
*tear* memories

such an archaic notion,

like being a christian?

zing!

as time goes by i appreciate sleeper more and more. he's probably insulted by that though

I got the best insult ever off sleeper. Something about being so deadpan i sound like a zoned out crackhead.

i stand by that, you know.

wasnt an insult though

I forgot the whole thing he repped me, something about horrible taste in music, but it ended with wanting to burn me at the stake for being a born again christian.
it's not a terribly original thought, but it was such an archaic notion, it was endearing.
*tear* memories

i dont remember saying this.

what band was it for?

in any case, you do have horrible taste in music.

zing!

as time goes by i appreciate sleeper more and more. he's probably insulted by that though

this would sound dishonest and ingratiating now were it not for the fact that i made the same point before, but youve also grown on me. at first i thought you were too rambunctious, but now i really do find you entertaining and tastefully eccentric.

tll be more intimateit looks like email is too intimate for you these days. Come on - I need to have things set up timewise weeks/months ahead.
You pretty much suck as a RL person I must tell you - you also still have CD(s) I borrowed to you way back - you know which Imbruglia albums I am talking about. I know you love them, but I'd like to have them sometime back, too.

I also would like to have those B&W photos.

^^ lol

I hope sleeper likes me. He takes awesome pictures.

i'm still not sure whta this trolling you're talking about is. i haven't done aynthing trollish in ages.

it looks like email is too intimate for you these days. Come on - I need to have things set up timewise weeks/months ahead.
You pretty much suck as a RL person I must tell you - you also still have CD(s) I borrowed to you way back - you know which Imbruglia albums I am talking about. I know you love them, but I'd like to have them sometime back, too.

I also would like to have those B&W photos.

i know i know, i was thinking about that. i was postponing replying until i had something tangible to give you, because im so tired of saying "ill let you know" or whatever, but its taking too long, i agree, i should have replied by now.

ill reply now

i hate sleeper

I hope sleeper likes me. He takes awesome pictures.

yes i like you. but im intimidated by you, to be honest. i constantly try to start conversations on photography with you but you always vanish. your photographs all have this really great air and feel to them, and i love how roughshod they are.

i hate sleeper

this isnt very meaningful because it was only after i hated you. this is just reactionary hate. im not offended.

sleeper, you seem quite shady to me....just a bit suspicious.

There's just something completely OFF about you.

if you get intelligent enough when you get older ella, you will realise exactly what that offness is about.

this isnt very meaningful because it was only after i hated you. this is just reactionary hate. im not offended.yeah i know. i don't like you but i don't hate you. i was just trying to get you to write a bunch of shit about why you hated me again.

it's weird because i hate myself but i disagree with everything you say about why you hate me.

sleeper, you seem quite shady to me....just a bit suspicious.

There's just something completely OFF about you.


oh good, here comes ella

yeah i know. i don't like you but i don't hate you. i was just trying to get you to write a bunch of shit about why you hated me again.

it's weird because i hate myself but i disagree with everything you say about why you hate me.

by being all polite to me and shit youre making me feel like shit for what i said to you recently. i dont want to feel this, so be rude some more so i can hate you in comfort.


but really i do think youre grey. but i also recognize that you stand out to so many. so either im wrong, or everyone else is halfwit. obviously the latter is preferable here

yes i like you. but im intimidated by you, to be honest. i constantly try to start conversations on photography with you but you always vanish. your photographs all have this really great air and feel to them, and i love how roughshod they are.
:blush:

i dont mind sleeper, he seems he has some intelligent things to say and i enjoy reading some of his posts when i have time.

sometimes he tends to drag and ramble a bit, but i just go past that stuff. then again i dont see him around the general board much, and i never post on the politics board.

threads turning into an old schooler circle jerk. furthermore, kimmy has posted here. how could shapan not make an entrance

:blush:

can you post some choice photos or something that youve been working on of late? id actually really like to see. or link me to something. i seriously do like your photography a lot and think its something special, i wasnt just saying that to return the favour or soemthing.

threads turning into an old schooler circle jerk. furthermore, kimmy has posted here. how could shapan not make an entrance
Your posts are terrible, Alex.

NO HES RIGHT

FOR SHAME

i dont mind sleeper, he seems he has some intelligent things to say and i enjoy reading some of his posts when i have time.

sometimes he tends to drag and ramble a bit, but i just go past that stuff. then again i dont see him around the general board much, and i never post on the politics board.

its neat how many people hate me for how little im actually here. over like 5 years here ive made 7200 posts (gave away a thousand before, will give away all of them to whoever wants them), which is something some people rack up within months.

can you post some choice photos or something that youve been working on of late? id actually really like to see. or link me to something. i seriously do like your photography a lot and think its something special, i wasnt just saying that to return the favour or soemthing.
I actually haven't done any film photography in a few months 'cause I've been busy with printmaking. I'll be doing a lot more over the summer and this coming fall, though. I'm sure whatever photos you've seen are the most recent ones, but if you still want to peruse them they're all on my website for safe keeping: http://www.honey-skunk.net

lol, UNITINU

<img src = "http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/bw/008.jpg">

jesus christ

I actually haven't done any film photography in a few months 'cause I've been busy with printmaking. I'll be doing a lot more over the summer and this coming fall, though. I'm sure whatever photos you've seen are the most recent ones, but if you still want to peruse them they're all on my website for safe keeping: http://www.honey-skunk.net


what film, film developer, paper, and paper developer do you use? or does it vary too much to even say? im just curious about this, im not like trying to ape you or something. ive been experimenting a lot with over or under-rating film and with developer dilutions and all of that lately, and would like to know

do your professors get on your case for having all these kind of bright, contrasty images? like these
http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/bw/080.jpg
http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/bw/013.jpg
http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/bw/053.jpg

i bring this up because i want to say that i think you shouldnt change that, it goes to create a really refreshing and unpretentious style thats easy to love and looks great. i seem to constantly err towards darkness and prefer it myself, but i like yours like that for sure.


this one is really funny
http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/color/023.jpg

i'm still not sure whta this trolling you're talking about is. i haven't done aynthing trollish in ages.

i think you define trollish as like explicit baiting or something, and i define it more as just playing games or whatever, just not being straight.

like when a new person comes and makes some big post saying hello or whatever you come in first thing and say "hi :)" and then lead them on when they reply in good faith. i dont like that

i mean you can be ironic and whatever, not everything has be dour and business-like, but you cant stop fucking around for more than 5 minutes at a time, thats the problem

you have me confused with someone but who can it be...:think:

i dont remember saying this.

what band was it for?

in any case, you do have horrible taste in music.
I think it was, oh, a few months ago when I posted about some upcoming concerts.

i dont remember saying this.

what band was it for?

in any case, you do have horrible taste in music.
that's it, sc, I've had it. enough of this back and forth. I'm gonna pray for your frostbitten soul.

i think you define trollish as like explicit baiting or something, and i define it more as just playing games or whatever, just not being straight.

like when a new person comes and makes some big post saying hello or whatever you come in first thing and say "hi :)" and then lead them on when they reply in good faith. i dont like that

i mean you can be ironic and whatever, not everything has be dour and business-like, but you cant stop fucking around for more than 5 minutes at a time, thats the problem
Cashboy... Don't sweat it.. Sleeper calls anyone a Troll when he doesn't agree with what u are trying to say.. "Playing games.. yeah that what it's all about.. And maybe, just maybe learning something form someone else..Imagine that?

:beer:

hey sleeps man, how's the new yorker this week

i read that magazine sometimes at my parents house because my dad has been a subcriber most of my life.

ask lie, i dont know. i havent read it at all for the past while, my plate is full.


and get back to your assignment you lazy sack of shit .

sleeper talks too much

sleeper is cool beans

and get back to your assignment you lazy sack of shit .

Is that my problem?

hey sleeps man, how's the new yorker this week

i read that magazine sometimes at my parents house because my dad has been a subcriber most of my life.


new york times, man.

the new yorker is completely different, spring.

i remember sleeper leaving an argument saying something about reading the new yorker

i thought it was funny since he fits the lefty douche stereotype in every way.

well, i remember him making multiple arguments quoting the new york times :p

i must've missed the new yorker reference. anyway... how's the essay?

i'm going to fail

hop to!! get crackin!!

i can't write that paper in 24 hours. are you kidding me?

how much have you written so far? i bet 2-3 pages

i've gut a big test tomurrow on stuff. lots of stuff

i wish i could read newspapers like sleeper, how does he do it?

how much have you written so far? i bet 2-3 pages

try 0 chief

that's unjustifiable

can all dipshits, assholes, and fuckfaces please vacate the thread.

we had a nice, pleasant little soiree going for a while but now its being crashed. all of you fuck off

hey fuck you i'm gonna drink all the beer and wine and then pee on your carpet

sleeper is cool beans

when and where is your schools year end show again?

if youre interested, my school is having its in a few days. i missed the deadline and nothing of mine is in it, but there are a handful of really good series in it that ive seen already.

hey fuck you i'm gonna drink all the beer and wine and then pee on your carpet

seriously, why arent you working on that shit paper? i knew you were a flake and shit but i didnt know you were this irresponsible.

you really are going to end up like the dude, but with much less comic and much more pitiful results.

for your posting here so little youre the one with all the hardcore grudges. noone really hates you, they have just experienced enough of you to rate you 1 on a scale of 1-10

for your posting here so little youre the one with all the hardcore grudges. noone really hates you, they have just experienced enough of you to rate you 1 on a scale of 1-10

maybe i hold grudges but i dont make much of a stink about it. its you and dean that follow me around to every thread and snipe. dean in particular, its clear, is totally obsessed with, its pathetic. you guys are the proactive ones, im just being defensive.


i know i used to do it too and i hate it when people play language police, but stop saying "noone" for fucks sake. hyphenate that shit or split it up already.

seriously, why arent you working on that shit paper? i knew you were a flake and shit but i didnt know you were this irresponsible.

well because i chose to get psychological help today for my depression instead of going to do primary source research at the museum. i guess that's what a flake would do, try to get help for sucidal thoughts and hypersomnia.

so writing the thing without any primary sources, which are supposed to be the focus of the paper, will be kind of fruitless

why is alex talking about popularity

sounds like lame rationalizations to me.

why dont you do the honourable thing and just end it today? spare yourself the shame of failing this class. do at least one dignified thing in your life.


id normally feel bad for joking about that with someone who's actually in a delicate spot, but you really are such a huge prick all the time to everybody on here that i dont feel any guilt. your real illness isnt depression, its that youre a pathological asshole. maybe im one to talk, but you should be nicer to people.

it's not a lame rationalization sleeper, you prick

i haven't been able to go to school all year because i hate myself and i want to die. i wake up in the morning, in time to go to school only to convince myself that everything sucks and i'll never amount to shit and i want to die. I'll sit infront of documents for hours with nothing coming to mind, i'll slog through two pages and feel like the paper is completely hopless then i quit and go to bed. i feel shitty almost always but it wasn't ever this bad. i'd put on music or read something to inspire me and i could write papers in a few hours. i'd do half assed reasarch all year long on research papers. this accumulates and becomes a whole ass later with some work at the end. i haven't done anything this semester. i abuse pot. i smoke constantly. I think about life after college, 20k of loans staring me in the face and i'm flipping burgers, having been passed over in every interveiw that i get, just like i always am for everything other than the most menial of labor. i feel shitty, i'm awake at night and sleeping 10-14 hours during the day. last week i had no work on wed and thurs, perfect times to go to the library and do research. what did i do instead? I had a panic attack and then decided it was hopless and went to bed. Man i'm completely useless, a piece of shit on the floor, i feel like i'm destined to be a total failure, that anytime stuff goes right for me my car explodes or some girl rejects me because she realized she was a lesbian after we spent the night together. i'm fucking worthless. every time i feel happy something bad happens to slap me back down and teach me my place. this is not rational. i seem to be intent on self-destruction. bi-polar disorder runs in my family. I'm a fucked up person, ok? I used to think i was making excuses too, but that's why i'm in this situation now instead of getting therapy when i first started feeling really shitty.

i'm not even going to dignify the other shit with a comment since it's so unbelievably hypocritical

HEY HEY YOU YOU I DONT LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND

why is alex talking about popularity
BURN MOTHERFUCKER

none of this would be the case if you didnt smoke weed, trots. weed ruins lives

it's not a lame rationalization sleeper, you prick

i haven't been able to go to school all year because i hate myself and i want to die. i wake up in the morning, in time to go to school only to convince myself that everything sucks and i'll never amount to shit and i want to die. I'll sit infront of documents for hours with nothing coming to mind, i'll slog through two pages and feel like the paper is completely hopless then i quit and go to bed. i feel shitty almost always but it wasn't ever this bad. i'd put on music or read something to inspire me and i could write papers in a few hours. i'd do half assed reasarch all year long on research papers. this accumulates and becomes a whole ass later with some work at the end. i haven't done anything this semester. i abuse pot. i smoke constantly. I think about life after college, 20k of loans staring me in the face and i'm flipping burgers, having been passed over in every interveiw that i get, just like i always am for everything other than the most menial of labor. i feel shitty, i'm awake at night and sleeping 10-14 hours during the day. last week i had no work on wed and thurs, perfect times to go to the library and do research. what did i do instead? I had a panic attack and then decided it was hopless and went to bed. Man i'm completely useless, a piece of shit on the floor, i feel like i'm destined to be a total failure, that anytime stuff goes right for me my car explodes or some girl rejects me because she realized she was a lesbian after we spent the night together. i'm fucking worthless. every time i feel happy something bad happens to slap me back down and teach me my place. this is not rational. i seem to be intent on self-destruction. bi-polar disorder runs in my family. I'm a fucked up person, ok? I used to think i was making excuses too, but that's why i'm in this situation now instead of getting therapy when i first started feeling really shitty.

i'm not even going to dignify the other shit with a comment since it's so unbelievably hypocritical

well i can certainly relate to much of that, save the pot and some other stuff. i particularly relate to the sleeping all the time. just staring into space, getting like dizzy with anxiety and all these insecurities that your subconscious is like constantly fanning the flames of, and then going to sleep at like 6pm and talking to yourself all day like a lunatic. i havent done that for a while, but i know what its like. i didnt know you were like that. i guess i should apologize but, really, i cant. no way. too hard.


and it actually isnt hypocritical. ive thought about if im an asshole before and ive concluded that im not. i can be insulting and aggressive or whatever at times, but the point is that its actually all but exclusively directed towards people who deserve it for one reason or another, and its all more or less proportioned and not sadistic or something. i remember karl got all genuinely upset about my neg repping of him and i actually apologized because i didnt intend to really harm him or soemthing, just nag him.
i mean youll never ever see me making fun of some naive newbie, or kicking a person when theyre down (like you would probably do right now if it was me writing what you did), or making fun of something unfair, like a persons weight or, you know, their abusive father or something. i only once, to my memory, called nimrod "overweight" basically just because its de rigeur to mention that along with his age, but thats it.

so, there it is, im not an asshole. but you really are. i think you think youre joking a lot of the time, but, my god, theyre not jokes. you really can be so malicious and everything. maybe youre taking out your frustrations or something, but dont, its gratuitious and not fair.

please dont happen to "find jesus" now, i beg of you.

if anything i was thinking of going to the buddhist temple up the road

jesus trots isnt so bad sleeper. everyone on here is an asshole, but i dont think anyone has bad intentions, we're all just fucking around and trying to be funny.

i mean youll never ever see me making fun of some naive newbie, or kicking a person when theyre down (like you would probably do right now if it was me writing what you did), or making fun of something unfair, like a persons weight or, you know, their abusive father or something. i only once, to my memory, called nimrod "overweight" basically just because its de rigeur to mention that along with his age, but thats it.


lets set things straight i have never made fun of people's mental illness. i have never made fun of anyone for being fat. I have told closeted gays they are homos. I've made fun of voice implodes crones disease. I don't kick people when they're down unless it's for something related to why i think they suck in general. i'm really harsh on people sometimes but it's because i'm harsh on myself. but don't act like there's no method to my flaming. everyone i flame it is for reasons every bit as legitimate as yours.

i think basically nimrod should be flamed for being a pig ignorant fucker and a fabricated internet persona based in his overwhelming insecurity at being a 30something that can't get people his age to like him because, well, he's a pig ignorant fucker.

you don't really need to call the guy fat or ugly, even though he's made a habit of calling fat dues big tubs of lard for years. i really hate when fat dudes make fun of other dudes for being fat. it's fucking ridiculous. it's almost like black on black crime.

jesus trots isnt so bad sleeper. everyone on here is an asshole, but i dont think anyone has bad intentions, we're all just fucking around and trying to be funny.

i really dont agree. some people are habitual pricks, some are just the greek chorus, some can throw down when needed, and others are genuinely gentle. hes in the first category i think. maybe he isnt a total sadist, but hes overly, senselessly aggresive, ive always noticed. and there are a few people here who have nothing but bad intentions, like boner or something, who are just monsters of people.

and even if people dont have bad intentions, i could care less. people are responsible for they do and intentions, in the end, mean little.

lets set things straight i have never made fun of people's mental illness. i have never made fun of anyone for being fat. I have told closeted gays they are homos. I've made fun of voice implodes crones disease. I don't kick people when they're down unless it's for something related to why i think they suck in general. i'm really harsh on people sometimes but it's because i'm harsh on myself. but don't act like there's no method to my flaming. everyone i flame it is for reasons every bit as legitimate as yours.

this is a total whitewashing and ill prove it. im too lazy to actually hunt for some examples but ill be sure to point it out to you in the future. youre just a mean guy.

i think basically nimrod should be flamed for being a pig ignorant fucker and a fabricated internet persona based in his overwhelming insecurity at being a 30something that can't get people his age to like him because, well, he's a pig ignorant fucker.

yeah i totally agree. i never miss an opportunity to rub shit in his face, he deserves every drop of it.


you don't really need to call the guy fat or ugly, even though he's made a habit of calling fat dues big tubs of lard for years.

yeah? honestly, i dont remember this.

nimrod made fun of people for being fat and ugly before his pic was leaked, he stopped pretty much after that although he still criticizes women's appearances because he's a macho douche and a sexist.

this is a total whitewashing and ill prove it. im too lazy to actually hunt for some examples but ill be sure to point it out to you in the future. youre just a mean guy.

i'm not a monster

yeah i wasnt saying you were a monster. youre just an run of the mill, orthodox prick.

hate to sound all new age-y and whatever, but maybe being nice to other people will be like therapeutic and make you feel better yourself.

or maybe its time to buy a dog. apparently it helps.

on second thought, im worried youll like stomp it to death on the third day you have it or something. maybe you should stick to the monastery where you can do less harm, thatd be for the best.

i've had a dog for years now, guy

you know everything about me but you don't know this.

This thread is edumacational, albeit ostentatious.

almost read through this whole page.... almost.

almost read through this whole page.... almost.

in a nutshell: trotsky is going to commit a murder-suicide with his dog. this is his idea of a glorious exit.

what art school do you go to?

are you taking medications trotskillicious? if so which ones if you don't mind me asking?

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Howcome all the lazytown, ********?

You pair make me look like the Dalai-Lama.

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"dad!"
"dad!"
"dad!"
"dad!"
"dad!"
"dad!"
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If she was my daughter...

My computer doesn't process the .gif too well so the frame rate drops and she blinks really slowly and almost looks like one of the puppets form the show.

seriously, dickfaces please leave this thread, youre ruining our good vibes.

that means d, karl, alex, dean, cashboy, and a few others i probably cant remember. take a hike, the lot of you.

you go to such lengths to prove me right

you seem unfazed by the fact that spending 15 minutes spamming like that for being told to get lost makes you look like the hugest loser in the world. even alex wouldnt do that. thats saying a lot.

sorry, i stand corrected: 22 minutes.

i tremble before your mighty intellect!

when and where is your schools year end show again?

if youre interested, my school is having its in a few days. i missed the deadline and nothing of mine is in it, but there are a handful of really good series in it that ive seen already.

the show is at the steamwhistle brewery, starting tomorrow.thursday is industry night, though anyone can come after 11 (the show is on til 1am) on friday, i think i'm there from 4-7 and on saturday i'll be there most of the day (but probably taking my parents around). So if you're around (or anyone else), come visit-i don't think i know anyone coming to see my work on friday.

the show is at the steamwhistle brewery, starting tomorrow.thursday is industry night, though anyone can come after 11 (the show is on til 1am) on friday, i think i'm there from 4-7 and on saturday i'll be there most of the day (but probably taking my parents around). So if you're around (or anyone else), come visit-i don't think i know anyone coming to see my work on friday.I have never been to the brewery - good reason to come - I might show up on Friday, then. I just walk in and that's it or what?
Maybe Sleeper could hook me up with a baseball ticket for the evening, so I get two flies with one hit when I am down there.

yep, you can just walk in and there'll be plenty of booze and stuff. the brewery is a really nice venue.

I have never been to the brewery - good reason to come - I might show up on Friday, then. I just walk in and that's it or what?
Maybe Sleeper could hook me up with a baseball ticket for the evening, so I get two flies with one hit when I am down there.

i'd like to come to this too

oh yeah, and that *******s the baseball game too


although i don't think they're playing on friday

the show is at the steamwhistle brewery, starting tomorrow.thursday is industry night, though anyone can come after 11 (the show is on til 1am) on friday, i think i'm there from 4-7 and on saturday i'll be there most of the day (but probably taking my parents around). So if you're around (or anyone else), come visit-i don't think i know anyone coming to see my work on friday.

ill be around downtown friday afternoon so ill probably come by at one point, although i dont know when yet.


jan ill let you know about tickets. they give them to us periodically but i also know a guy who i can ask. find someone else to go with, though, this is on thing nobody goes to alone, its boring as fuck.

sure, come along. my work is more commerical (like for articles in magazines and stuff) than artistic for the sake of making art, but a lot of people are more fine art based with their work, or go the opposite way and do more technical work (like a blown up view of a car or somthing). There should be somthing for everyone.

well i can certainly relate to much of that - like, save the pot and some other social activities, well, all other social activities. i particularly relate to the sleeping all the time. like, just staring into space, hoping that somebody will call you on the phone, getting like dizzy with anxiety and being reminded of all the insecurities mom is like, constantly fanning the flames of, and then going to sleep at like 6pm after downing a half-bottle of quaaludes and an entire bag of Doritos and like talking to yourself all day like a lunatic. i like havent done that for a while, but like i really know what its like. i didnt know you were like that. i guess i should apologize but, really, i cant. no way. too hard.

ive thought about if im an asshole before and ive concluded that im not. i'm severly deluded, and solipsistic, that's what i am.

.

yep, you can just walk in and there'll be plenty of booze and stuff. the brewery is a really nice venue.booze - does it mean the beer? Cause that's some really horrendous stuff they brew in there.

there's really no one who goes alone? I don't think I get bored - I'd be mainly interested in observing the reactions of people around, as I have no idea about the sport itself. Spring, you're welcome to join me, then - will be a good chance to give you back the book, too.
I'd prefer some NY Yankees or Red Sox game if possible - so I can have something interesting to talk about for my US/CAN chaps.

My dream sport even to attend is to see Roger Federer play in person.

fuck karl don't piss me off like that, i'm very fragile man, very fragile.

booze - does it mean the beer? Cause that's some really horrendous stuff they brew in there.

there's really no one who goes alone? I don't think I get bored - I'd be mainly interested in observing the reactions of people around, as I have no idea about the sport itself. Spring, you're welcome to join me, then - will be a good chance to give you back the book, too.
I'd prefer some NY Yankees or Red Sox game if possible - so I can have something interesting to talk about for my US/CAN chaps.

My dream sport even to attend is to see Roger Federer play in person.

yeah Jan, we can ask each other stupid questions about baseball. last time a friend took me to a game he was laughing at every single thing i asked, but i think i know the rules by now.

oh, and Federer will probably be playing the Rogers Masters Series this year, right? I don't think he's that entertaining to watch though. He's just too...yeah. I would like to see Nadal though.

this is a total whitewashing and ill prove it. im too lazy to actually hunt for some examples but ill be sure to point it out to you in the future. youre just a mean guy.

I don't think Trotskilicious is a mean person. He operates fairly and calls people on their actions. If someone says something stupid, he says something. At times I wish this happened more. Often I see myself holding back because I don't want to hurt people's feelings, but some people need to be shown when they're being idiotic from time to time.

It would seem that if people said the things he says to him he wouldn't care at all, so he doesn't see why saying them is so bad, and I entirely understand this. It's hard to think of how people will twist what you said or meant to fit the shape of how they view you, but I don't think he says some of his "mean" comments to actually hurt people, just to have some fun in a more-sarcastic-than-anything way.

yeah Jan, we can ask each other stupid questions about baseball. last time a friend took me to a game he was laughing at every single thing i asked, but i think i know the rules by now.

oh, and Federer will probably be playing the Rogers Masters Series this year, right? I don't think he's that entertaining to watch though. He's just too...yeah. I would like to see Nadal though.
Yeah, he plays in Montreal in August. I am considering going if I can get a ticket under 50 bucks or so - I have no idea if it is enough to see world's No.1 player.
I read an article on Federer yesterday, that says it all way better than I can do (it actually discusses Nadal in great lengths as well):

http://www.theknowe.net/dfwfiles/pdfs/Wallace-Federer_as_Religious_Experience.pdf

I like sleeper. It seems that's what this threads about now.

He types too much.

I want to see the conclusion to this endeavor of fomenting moral and psychological stability within Trotsky. Despite not knowing him, the final "I think I'm alright guys, let's get a beer" will be inspiring.

what film, film developer, paper, and paper developer do you use? or does it vary too much to even say? im just curious about this, im not like trying to ape you or something. ive been experimenting a lot with over or under-rating film and with developer dilutions and all of that lately, and would like to know

do your professors get on your case for having all these kind of bright, contrasty images? like these
http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/bw/080.jpg
http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/bw/013.jpg
http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/bw/053.jpg

i bring this up because i want to say that i think you shouldnt change that, it goes to create a really refreshing and unpretentious style thats easy to love and looks great. i seem to constantly err towards darkness and prefer it myself, but i like yours like that for sure.


this one is really funny
http://www.honey-skunk.net/images/color/023.jpg

I try to stick to 400 or 200 speed Kodak T-Max film... Like the very last roll of film I shot was some different brand I picked up on the road at Best Buy and it was too grainy for my liking and just blerg.
The paper I use is just regular old Ilford, but I never get glossy, always matte or pearl or whatever.
As for developers... I'm not really sure, I just use what they have at the dark room on campus. The only name I can remember for any of the chemicals was Dektol, diluted with water of course. Sorry 'bout that one.

I've been interested in experimenting with the dilutions and/or agitation of my film when I go in to develop it, too, but I've never went with it. Most if not all of the experimentation I do involves the enlarger / actual photo developing.

That third picture is the only one of those that I ever turned in, and my teacher loved it. We have a really awesome professor on campus who is very concerned with people developing their own style and finding out what works for them, etc., so he's never got in me for high contrast, not at all. If anything, he liked them even more!

And yes! The picture of that dog is one of my favorites. She looks just, well, dead.

Hope that helps, sleepah :] If you got the time you should post some more of your photos, if you've got any new stuff you wouldn't mind showing off!

booze - does it mean the beer? Cause that's some really horrendous stuff they brew in there.

there's really no one who goes alone? I don't think I get bored - I'd be mainly interested in observing the reactions of people around, as I have no idea about the sport itself. Spring, you're welcome to join me, then - will be a good chance to give you back the book, too.
I'd prefer some NY Yankees or Red Sox game if possible - so I can have something interesting to talk about for my US/CAN chaps.

My dream sport even to attend is to see Roger Federer play in person.

the only people i see alone are old dorky guys with huge beer guts and radio headsets. this really isnt the kind of thing to stomach alone. theres like 5 minutes of nothing for every minute of action, you need someone to fill that time with. if it were me id just bring a book.

yankees and red sox games are probably the ones youre least likely to get, to be honest. ill try not to get you tickets to when theyre playing some dud team, but i cant promise anything really

I don't think Trotskilicious is a mean person. He operates fairly and calls people on their actions. If someone says something stupid, he says something. At times I wish this happened more. Often I see myself holding back because I don't want to hurt people's feelings, but some people need to be shown when they're being idiotic from time to time.

It would seem that if people said the things he says to him he wouldn't care at all, so he doesn't see why saying them is so bad, and I entirely understand this. It's hard to think of how people will twist what you said or meant to fit the shape of how they view you, but I don't think he says some of his "mean" comments to actually hurt people, just to have some fun in a more-sarcastic-than-anything way.

he goes over the top though. brady or someone innocuous will make some innocent comment and he'll be like "no it isnt you stupid fucking bitch. fuck you." or something like that. its really outlandish and out of proportion, and youll catch him insulting (not playfully like youre saying) pretty much everybody for the thinnest reason. again, ill just point it out next time it i see it. maybe now that i said this he'll be conscious of it and restrain himself, but, really, im way too lazy to go and hunt for examples now, the guy posts so much.

yeah it's outlandish and out of proportion because it's actually intende to be completely over-the-top ridiculous which is supposed to equal hilarity.

i'm sure you're still going to be convinced that i'm actually that hateful

it's weird that a man as sensitive as sleeper even visits this board.

i think sleeper maybe you just have a problem with me flaming some of the newbies

i consider it quality control

oh sleeps, i remember saying something to murgle like

I'm bored. You're boring murgle. I'm going to go watch TV.

is that the unneccessary mean you're talking about because that was a modified futurama quote.

I try to stick to 400 or 200 speed Kodak T-Max film... Like the very last roll of film I shot was some different brand I picked up on the road at Best Buy and it was too grainy for my liking and just blerg.
The paper I use is just regular old Ilford, but I never get glossy, always matte or pearl or whatever.
As for developers... I'm not really sure, I just use what they have at the dark room on campus. The only name I can remember for any of the chemicals was Dektol, diluted with water of course. Sorry 'bout that one.

I've been interested in experimenting with the dilutions and/or agitation of my film when I go in to develop it, too, but I've never went with it. Most if not all of the experimentation I do involves the enlarger / actual photo developing.

That third picture is the only one of those that I ever turned in, and my teacher loved it. We have a really awesome professor on campus who is very concerned with people developing their own style and finding out what works for them, etc., so he's never got in me for high contrast, not at all. If anything, he liked them even more!

And yes! The picture of that dog is one of my favorites. She looks just, well, dead.

Hope that helps, sleepah :] If you got the time you should post some more of your photos, if you've got any new stuff you wouldn't mind showing off!

tmax is ok, from my experiences. i like agfa a lot but theyre going out of business, so i have to migrate to another film now. its better policy to stick with one or two types of film and really know them well than to just use whatever, i think. ill probably go with delta, it has treated me well in the past.

do you use bulk film too? id really do that, it rocks. you buy a huge 100-foot spool, a bulk film loader (theyre up for like ten cents on ebay now, nobody wants that shit), and some film canisters. you can make rolls of basically any length up to maybe 50 frames and its really economical overall. it encourages me to shoot much more than i normally would for money reasons, because i know each roll of 36 comes out to like $1.25 or something like that.

yeah dektol is good

you shoudl try pushing film and shit, its tons of fun. you rate a roll of, say, 200 as 400, which will make the film one stop underexposed, but then you overdevelop it one stop to compensate, usually just multiplying the normal development time by 1.5 or something. the negatives come out with this lush contrast that cant really be achieved any other way. you lose a lot of shadow detail but you gain tons of highlight detail, which is the better kind of detail i say.


im jealous that you have a professor thats like that. ive been sitting in on all of the year end critiques over the past two weeks and, holy shit, the ones here can be total douchebags. i can really see that theyre leaving a mark too, people are conforming to their wishes like mad. one girl today made these quirky little light box things that looked really great. the professor said that looking great is all it does and that it was basically worthless because it wasnt underpinned by some high concept. the girl cried in the most heartbreaking way (this kind of proud sob, crying but trying so hard to keep her composure and be brave and everything for her huge 4th year thesis project, but with her inability to do so just written all over her face) and the whole thing was just torture. the point is that theres nothing wrong with not having that kind of intent, things can just look good for the sake of looking good and that can be that, but i dont think she had the courage to hold onto her own ideas and style under his pressure and i could see so clearly that that was being crushed and she was moving over to his conception of what art should be. such a pity, i thought


i can just quickly post some of the things from the past while. these whole past two years have been nothing but experimenting with things -- cameras, techniques, toners, whatever. only for my final project did i actually do something serious and focused, everything else was some kind of technical experiment. im not ashamed of that or something, im just saying.

i realize now that i actually rarely show people photos. i show what i have to for school and some other ones at particular times to particular people, but i usually just develop them and file them away, it seems. so i guess itll be cool to share a bunch now.

like heres some toner tests from the past year or so
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8171/1bqp8.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2417/untitled5jg6.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9816/78012527nf2.jpg


heres some more panoramic stuff ive been messing around with
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3079/image5beb8.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9084/shadowzf7.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9340/othersideqn1.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2284/untitled7qk3.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9048/untitled24gv9.jpg

i got a new flash with this flickering modelling light that i tried to make do neat
things
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2981/4bdz4.jpg

heres some funny recent holga stuff
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/303/holga2df1.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7066/untitled2copyuu5.jpg (haha jan)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5320/untitled2qb3.jpg


ive been fucking around with brushing on developer instead of submerging the print in it. i havent really got anything yet that im really excited about but some of these work in small ways that i could maybe expand on
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9744/67149552df2.jpg
like heres the original and some variants (its a salted sidewalk in the winter)
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1637/34484067bj6.jpg
the top one here is pretty interesting i think
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1724/19568776gn8.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5983/49214140le6.jpg
the top one here is the coolest of all i think, i love that kind of discolouration. the rest are just toned to different degrees
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/29/16233830de6.jpg

these two photos probably are the most indicative of my personal taste or sensibility. the first one i really like a lot. and i love the white on white of the second
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/426/2byl6.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5083/23741816vi6.jpg

the minimalism isnt really what im talking about though, its more just the silliness and deadpan of them that i love, theyre so ridiculous.

i think sleeper maybe you just have a problem with me flaming some of the newbies

i consider it quality control

yeah going after newbies is retarded, i really dont like that. why do that? youre not maintaining quality or "toughening them up " (or however people typically rationalize it), youre just seizing the opportunity to be a dick to someone who is to ignorant to to know that youre to be ignored.

no because i don't make fun of all newbies, i really don't. i think i've gone after zwanphony and effloresce. because their posts piss me off. it's not because they are new it's because they suck.

all i said to blissedandgone2, who is totally a newbie, was that his avatar sucked and he changed it and I left him alone because his posts don't piss me off.

i find that debatable, but even if i accepted those terms what youre saying isnt exactly constructive, it always just reeks of self indulgence. you enjoy it too much for it to be some like service or something

i honestly think im going to have to actually find some examples just to resolve this whole thing. i really dont want to but today i might

sleeper, your photographs are amazing. I love the last ones you described as deadpan. Your panoramics I've always been in awe of. Thank you for posting more of your work and the talk about pushing your film... It sounds like pretty fun stuff and I'll definitely give it a go when I get back into the dark room.

thanks alot. im glad you like the ones i like.

feel free to show me anything youre working on in the future, id like to see.

hi sleeper

hey sleeper

makes me paranoid that youre talking to me directly

hey man, nothing to worry about, i'm innocuous

i'm surprised you still bother to post, to be honest

well i basically dont. ive been "back" for like a week, after "being gone" for like 4 months, minus a religion thread or two. i always intend to leave after a week or something but it invariably drags on for a few more before i free myself.

you left for hipinion right? i dont think id ever like it there. i went there a while ago to browse and it seems like the entire name of the game is witty one liners and shit, which i think is bad enough in its subpar netphorian variety. the kind of postmodern cynicism and irreverence there is fucking soul crushing, i hate it.

hpn is for neurotic indie 18 year old college freshman

hpn is for neurotic indie 18 year old college freshman

are you a republican?

one thing you learn from going to hipinion is how much shit people here rip off from it. barring the unlikely occurence that some schtick actually originated here and migrated there, it seems like a few dickheads here just farm for material on that site and use it here, which is so lame.

if being more conservative than liberal makes me a republican, so be it

you arent explicitly denying that you are a republican.

who did you vote for in 2004?

didnt you know its uncool to be conservative in any way

i voted bush in 2004 because the dems ran around like a headless chicken.
i dont regret casting my vote for bush over kerry, but admit bush is a mental midget.

thanks a lot kanan road you dumb asshole

i officially hate you now

oh shit the cat is out of the bag some white elitist from california voted red in 2004.

hey man i used to be liberal, my dad is a bleeding heart liberal. then life experiences happened and now im the conservative one. its funny because most people see me and think im liberal based on what i do with my life. then i open my mouth and spew all that hateful neoconbullshit right?

who gives a fuck. sleeper takes gnarley photographs.

i voted bush in 2004 because the dems ran around like a headless chicken.
i dont regret casting my vote for bush over kerry, but admit bush is a mental midget.

you dont sound very proud of your political beliefs. one couldnt really blame you given the failure of those beliefs over the past 6 years, but i think part of it is also that youre in hostile territory here and you feel like you have to fit in.


do you really think, though, the country would be better or worse off right now had kerry won? maybe he'd win just be default, given how poorly bush continued to manage things, but i find it hard to imagine that youd say that we'd be actually worse off.

also, you should regret voting for him. there was more than enough information at the time to know that hes not to be trusted and that things would disintegrate totally. you couldve voted 3rd party. for shame, republican scoundrel.

oh shit the cat is out of the bag some white elitist from california voted red in 2004.

hey man i used to be liberal, my dad is a bleeding heart liberal. then life experiences happened and now im the conservative one. its funny because most people see me and think im liberal based on what i do with my life. then i open my mouth and spew all that hateful neoconbullshit right?

actually i think your voting rights should probably be confiscated.

oh shit the cat is out of the bag some white elitist from california voted red in 2004.

hey man i used to be liberal, my dad is a bleeding heart liberal. then life experiences happened and now im the conservative one. its funny because most people see me and think im liberal based on what i do with my life. then i open my mouth and spew all that hateful neoconbullshit right?


youre, god forbid, not a social conservative, are you? fiscal or foreign policy conservatism at least has something credible to it, but social conservatism is totally inexcusable.

i voted bush in 2004 because the dems ran around like a headless chicken.
i dont regret casting my vote for bush over kerry, but admit bush is a mental midget.

So besides kerry being criticized as a "flip flopper" back in 04, what were your actual reasons for voting bush?

who gives a fuck. sleeper takes gnarley photographs.

trying to sneak out the back door on a compliment, are you?

youre not going anywhere. trotsky and i have you pinned and wont let you leave until youre a died in the wool nader supporter

well i basically dont. ive been "back" for like a week, after "being gone" for like 4 months, minus a religion thread or two. i always intend to leave after a week or something but it invariably drags on for a few more before i free myself.

you left for hipinion right? i dont think id ever like it there. i went there a while ago to browse and it seems like the entire name of the game is witty one liners and shit, which i think is bad enough in its subpar netphorian variety. the kind of postmodern cynicism and irreverence there is fucking soul crushing, i hate it.
i had for a little while. i now hate hipinion more than i do netphoria. i have no interest in fraternizing with people like that. your description is exactly what bothers me about it -- it's a board full of people who need their cultural opinions constantly evaluated/brought down to somehow give validation to the fact they're losers with liberal arts B.A.s and minimum wage jobs. there's no actual love of art there, just list-making and dick measuring contests and "authoritative" proclamations without any sort of meat to them. i've basically given up for the most part but do lurk both boards occasionally.

patrick are you now best friends with live66

So besides kerry being criticized as a "flip flopper" back in 04

kerry sucks, there's no question about that. he was a terrible candidate and would change position because he wouldn't ever stop talking.

but there is really no justifiable defense for actually voting for bush. bush is both stupid and dangerous and everyone should have known that in 2000.

you dont sound very proud of your political beliefs. one couldnt really blame you given the failure of those beliefs over the past 6 years, but i think part of it is also that youre in hostile territory here and you feel like you have to fit in.
see the thing is up until about 2004 i was pretty liberal. but the way the dems have been charading around washington over the last few years has really turned me against them. On a more local level, the liberals have let my city turn to a slum warzone infested with minorities that do not care for our education system. the same rich whiney democrat doctors i shmooze around with whine about how they arent making much money anymore. these same doctors vote democrat even though the dems are allowing these illegals to flood our infrastructure and it has put many hospitals out of business around here.


do you really think, though, the country would be better or worse off right now had kerry won?
if kerry had won we would be fighting off jihadis in boise. :D
i do think bush was the better man for the given situation that he had gotten us into. even kerry knew he was the lameduck canidate.

patrick are you now best friends with live66who is live66?

you don't know what liberal means you ignorant bastard

i had forgotten what a political dunce kanan road is.

i should go on record for saying i actually wanted McCain in 2004, not Bush.

losers with liberal arts B.A.s and minimum wage jobs.

guy who posts nothing but shit like this

guy who posts nothing but shit like this
oh, the guy in nyc, right? i've never talked with him

if that's how he feels, then i agree i guess?

see the thing is up until about 2004 i was pretty liberal. but the way the dems have been charading around washington over the last few years has really turned me against them.

:rofl:

There have hardly been enough Dems in washington to cause any type of 'charade' since around...hmm...2000....really 1995 if you think about it.

bullshit.

Let me help you guys out 95% of college majors are utter shit. If you want to prepare yourself for getting an actual job, major in finance or some other business related field and minor in t he touchy feely liberal arts shit you are really "into." Because when push comes to shove and you realize you aren't as special as you think, at least you will have a degree in a real major to fall back on. No one cares about some bullshit like journalism, or communications

i should go on record for saying i actually wanted McCain in 2004, not Bush.

you just said you voted for bush you fucking dumbfuck

i had forgotten what a political dunce kanan road is.

damnit trots your vagina is flailing and i can hear it from here.

your political views are an enigma to me somewhat. you are a big dude from texas that is pretty liberal. cool beans. im the exact opposite of you, and its weird to me.

you dont see me flapping my vag all over other people views though. cmon now.

mccain is a huge piece of shit too

it's not the liberal arts BA/minimum wage thing that bothers me, it's the fact that the majority of hipinion posters are indeed losers who would rather talk shit about things/eachother than actually deign tomake any sort of worthwhile contribution

i guess this means we wont be hanging out in LA :(

Let me help you guys out 95% of college majors are utter shit. If you want to prepare yourself for getting an actual job, major in finance or some other business related field and minor in t he touchy feely liberal arts shit you are really "into." Because when push comes to shove and you realize you aren't as special as you think, at least you will have a degree in a real major to fall back on. No one cares about some bullshit like journalism, or communicationswell i think he's probably wrong about a journalism major being useless, but i really think legitimate artists who believe in what they're doing have better things to do with their time than badmouth other people's art on a message board

i dunno

i guess this means we wont be hanging out in LA :(
i'm moving to nyc in october anyway

see the thing is up until about 2004 i was pretty liberal. but the way the dems have been charading around washington over the last few years has really turned me against them. On a more local level, the liberals have let my city turn to a slum warzone infested with minorities that do not care for our education system. the same rich whiney democrat doctors i shmooze around with whine about how they arent making much money anymore. these same doctors vote democrat even though the dems are allowing these illegals to flood our infrastructure and it has put many hospitals out of business around here.


interesting, go on. tell me more about what made you change. im curious to know. i mean, who knows, maybe itll be a glimpse into my future.

at first i thought it was weird that youd let the political performance of one party that nominally shares your beliefs actually change those beliefs, but i see that that isnt actually whats going on. so youd say that immigration was the one big thing that transform you, right? or was that just what kind of just tipped the balance and got you to reevaulate things?


if kerry had won we would be fighting off jihadis in boise. :D

i know youre joking but i dont know to what degree. you dont actually buy the republican line that "were fighting them there so that we dont have to fight them here"? because i think thats beyond bogus.

[quote]
i do think bush was the better man for the given situation that he had gotten us into. .[/QUOTE

very weird sentiment to express. im saving this for future generations

damnit trots your vagina is flailing and i can hear it from here.

your political views are an enigma to me somewhat. you are a big dude from texas that is pretty liberal. cool beans. im the exact opposite of you, and its weird to me.

you dont see me flapping my vag all over other people views though. cmon now.

your ignorance is contributing to the destruction of this society. you are obviously racist, as well.

what also bothers me about hipinion is how nobody can fess up to being the outright hipster stereotype they accuse everyone-but-themselves of being

my last name is italian as fuck. i am legally native american.

my relatives came over to this country legally through ellis island long time ago.
guess what they were poor as fuck too.

double post

is it wrong to be genuinely surprised that youve grown to hate it?

maybe theres an insulting subtext to that, which is that i always thought youd gel with that crowd, that you were that type.

but im really surprised that this is the case.

the reasons you cite seem very accurate, although i cant really say because ive only browsed it superficially a handful of times. i nodded my head when you said that theres no real love for art. an actual absence of love for art isnt really so much the question, thats just a way of expressing something bigger, i think, which is a lack of the courage it takes to actually be sincere and do or try to do anything of actual meaning. it does take courage. anything that, as ive heard it put, tries to ensure that we "never think too hard or feel too keenly" is not something i want a part in.

just in general im so sick of that whole ethic and attitude. that isnt to say that i think some kind of humourless, stoic, academic disposition is what we should have at all times, but that irony is really just getting out of hand.


ive never really seen it so ill just ask: what happens to people who actually try and be sincere and everything? i can see that person getting instantly ridiculed, as a rule.
it's not wrong to be surprised. i fully admit to being a prime hipinion-type for a while, but i think i've grown up and out of it. admittedly this extends fully into my real life interactions -- most in my age range are liable to bug me at times, but almost always and specifically those who are really into music or film. i guess i just prefer talking with people who are less judgemental and demeaning about every god damn thing. and yeah, the whole being-ironic-in-respose-to-an-anti-irony-ironic statement or whatever is just a headache

i don't really know what happens to those who have real passions, sean casey is the hipinion expert here, he would know. my guess is that they're ignored or assaulted, as it tends to go

not really
rojo is one of the most genuine people on there and they love him

well change not really to "not necessarily"
poptodd is a really sincere guy but he's ridiculed for it
but he is kind of lame

ok but he's been around since day one, kind of a different situation i think

Let me help you guys out 95% of college majors are utter shit. If you want to prepare yourself for getting an actual job, major in finance or some other business related field and minor in t he touchy feely liberal arts shit you are really "into." Because when push comes to shove and you realize you aren't as special as you think, at least you will have a degree in a real major to fall back on. No one cares about some bullshit like journalism, or communications

youre a dipshit

over the last few years i have had pencil dicked academia blowhards (professors) hand me some questionable grades because of my life views. it wasnt even political views, this was a philosophy class. needless to say ive had many great philosophy teachers who i still talk to and drink coffee with and be all academic with. they dont grade me harder because of my views. i know that sounds petty but that kinda sucked going to college, the place of furthering thought between students, and having some liberal weenie try and ruin my gpa.
it did jade me a little bit but it did give me insight at what the world of academia is about.

i also walked away without a scratch after blacking out at the wheel and hitting the side of the freeway at 70 mph. fucked my car up and sold it. but i was still alive. that changed my personal spirituality/life views instantley.

just the tip of the iceberg.

So besides kerry being criticized as a "flip flopper" back in 04, what were your actual reasons for voting bush?

who cares

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youre a dipshit

that's a quote from another board that i posted for patricks benefit

i'm a journalism major

youre a dipshit
that's a quote from someone from hipinion he was comparing me to

in case that didn't register


edit: there's a small subsection of the hipinion community comprised of harsh-realists, who exist within the board to tell all of the hipsters how much they suck and will never amount to anything in life. the realists suck, too.

it's not wrong to be surprised. i fully admit to being a prime hipinion-type for a while, but i think i've grown up and out of it. admittedly this extends fully into my real life interactions -- most in my age range are liable to bug me at times, but almost always and specifically those who are really into music or film. i guess i just prefer talking with people who are less judgemental and demeaning about every god damn thing. and yeah, the whole being-ironic-in-respose-to-an-anti-irony-ironic statement or whatever is just a headache

i don't really know what happens to those who have real passions, sean casey is the hipinion expert here, he would know. my guess is that they're ignored or assaulted, as it tends to go

youre preaching to the choir here, i couldnt agree more.

but im curious to know what did it exactly, why you changed. i know these things dont have to have some kind of big reason, it can just be a slow subliminal shift in attitude that manifests itself on the surface all at once or whatever, but id like to know what it was if it was.

how incessantly status conscious those people are is what gets to me too. the possibility of actual honesty is diminished to almost none in that kind of environment. im not allowed to tell you that i like, say, groundhog day, because it isnt either outright art-y or some ironic pleasure. (or is it? i dont know) this kind of shit is just worthless.

Let me help you guys out 95% of college majors are utter shit. If you want to prepare yourself for getting an actual job, major in finance or some other business related field and minor in t he touchy feely liberal arts shit you are really "into." Because when push comes to shove and you realize you aren't as special as you think, at least you will have a degree in a real major to fall back on. No one cares about some bullshit like journalism, or communications

oh i thought this was your actual thoughts and i was about to say you were an idiot.

but nevermind!

edit: there's a small subsection of the hipinion community comprised of harsh-realists, who exist within the board to tell all of the hipsters how much they suck and will never amount to anything in life. the realists suck, too.

why do they suck exactly? honestly, that sounded pretty great for a second. the whole situation is ripe for some kind of outsider to burst their collective bubble. it seems susceptible to that, at least.

but then again irony inures you from reality in general. youre always insulated. someone tells you something true and devastating? easy to laugh off the simple fact of that statement being told to you, if youre some faggy fucking cynic

people have said they dont like groundhog day on that board and got immediately shat upon by dozens of other posters

which i guess is just as bad

i really spend most of my time on the last plane to jakarta boards these days

and here because im addicted

sleeper are you saying those people sound great because you think that's what you're doing on netphoria?

i wanted to weigh in on the trotsky being an asshole debate but i don't remember what i was going to say

why do they suck exactly?

that quote that i posted that you thought was dipshitty was from one of those "harsh realists"

that's a quote from another board that i posted for patricks benefit

i'm a journalism major


well whatever youre still a dipshit, i stand by that one way or another

well whatever youre still a dipshit, i stand by that one way or another

i wasnt arguing that

sleeper are you saying those people sound great because you think that's what you're doing on netphoria?

i wanted to weigh in on the trotsky being an asshole debate but i don't remember what i was going to say

no, i just kind of got ahead of myself and imagined like the internet equivalent of this band of guerillas launching lighting raids on some vulnerable tribe or something. i kind of romanticized it.

i dont even interact with enough people for that to happen. i really keep to like 5 threads at once and stay deep inside them, like this one. its best like that

i really spend most of my time on the last plane to jakarta boards these days

and here because im addicted

can you stop being such a fucking caricature

it's really obnoxious. what makes it even more obnoxious is that so many people love you for it. it's fucking cheap, man

no, i just kind of got ahead of myself and imagined like the internet equivalent of this band of guerillas launching lighting raids on some vulnerable tribe or something. i kind of romanticized it.

i dont even interact with enough people for that to happen. i really keep to like 5 threads at once and stay deep inside them, like this one. its best like that

i really think my brain is shutting down right now.

durrrr

youre preaching to the choir here, i couldnt agree more.

but im curious to know what did it exactly, why you changed. i know these things dont have to have some kind of big reason, it can just be a slow subliminal shift in attitude that manifests itself on the surface all at once or whatever, but id like to know what it was if it was.

how incessantly status conscious those people are is what gets to me too. the possibility of actual honesty is diminished to almost none in that kind of environment. im not allowed to tell you that i like, say, groundhog day, because it isnt either outright art-y or some ironic pleasure. (or is it? i dont know) this kind of shit is just worthless.
and even if someone DOES back you up on liking groundhog day, they supplement it with some sort of anti-hipster, anti-anti-anti-anti-intellectualism rhetoric, blah blah

it's happened over the past year and a half and i amount the transformation simply to growing up. i'm hardly who i'd like to be yet, but i do know that the person i want to become does not at all resemble these type of people, specifically in terms of the constant negativity that clouds the entire board... there's been things that have happened (getting out of america for the first time, my parents losing their house and savings, my girlfriend moving back to england, me understanding my potential to accomplish nearly anything i choose, my coming to terms with how young i really am still, jazz, chess) that have played their part in my "coming of age" but i just no longer have the tolerance for things and people and ideas and statements that i consider to be counterproductive, and hipinion is full of that

ive never really expected to know sean but just to know the different features of his caricature

why do they suck exactly? honestly, that sounded pretty great for a second. the whole situation is ripe for some kind of outsider to burst their collective bubble. it seems susceptible to that, at least.

but then again irony inures you from reality in general. youre always insulated. someone tells you something true and devastating? easy to laugh off the simple fact of that statement being told to you, if youre some faggy fucking cynicdon't get me wrong, it can be very funny at times, but that becomes their "gimmick" (a popular hipinion slur) if you will and they end up blurring together with everyone else

specifically in terms of the constant negativity that clouds the entire board...


....so you came back here?

my relatives came over to this country legally through ellis island long time ago.
guess what they were poor as fuck too.

You know what legal means then? You get on a boat and you show up at the immigration processing centers and you sign your name and then poof you're an american

that all changed when chinamen started invading seattle and california.

immigration restrictions are based in racism.

dont get me wrong, i think nimrod is infinitely worse than a guy like sean. but i dislike sean for the same reasons i dislike you, which is that youre both hopelessly attached to bullshit trolling and other totally worthless shit. when sean is being straight i think hes alright, but hes always playing some idiotic game.

plus hes unnervingly self conscious all the time, it makes me depressed.

there are things i could say to explain and rationalize my behavior on the internet but it would be pretty pointless and i'm not sure i believe any of it, it's just that a lifetime of therapy has given me a lot of ways to do it.

and there wouldn't be any point in me acting any different than i already do. it doesn't matter what i post, people either think i'm lying or making a joke or being ironic. if i say i dont like something its because im being contratian and not because i dont like it. and so on

but having a miserable fucking life it was pretty appealing to come on here and act like a bigshot and prop myself up to "board legend" status and that bullshit (and it worked) but it was also the only place i had to talk to people so i'd also talk about how depressed i am which completely poked holes in the rest of my act so i'd also ruin that by completely exaggerating it so it would all bleed together as part of one big shtick. which then ruined the entire purpose for me of posting about that stuff which was having people actually listen to me because it would all be bullshit and its not like i could get any constructive advice since nobody ever knows if i'm being serious or not. and i'm also so negative about myself that I refuse to even attempt to post seriously my thoughts on music and politics and basically everything because all I can think about is how stupid I sound when I do because I do in fact think I am extremely stupid.

you know, since i started this thread about me

hpn is funny but

i feel like ive walked into a room full of little boys cockslapping each other with glee whenever i read that board.

can you stop being such a fucking caricature

it's really obnoxious. what makes it even more obnoxious is that so many people love you for it. it's fucking cheap, man

what was particularly out of line about that post

....so you came back here?
right now i'm having a conversation with one person and have no intentions of posting regularly on netphoria ever again. go away.

there are things i could say to explain and rationalize my behavior on the internet but it would be pretty pointless and i'm not sure i believe any of it, it's just that a lifetime of therapy has given me a lot of ways to do it.

and there wouldn't be any point in me acting any different than i already do. it doesn't matter what i post, people either think i'm lying or making a joke or being ironic. if i say i dont like something its because im being contratian and not because i dont like it. and so on

but having a miserable fucking life it was pretty appealing to come on here and act like a bigshot and prop myself up to "board legend" status and that bullshit (and it worked) but it was also the only place i had to talk to people so i'd also talk about how depressed i am which completely poked holes in the rest of my act so i'd also ruin that by completely exaggerating it so it would all bleed together as part of one big shtick. which then ruined the entire purpose for me of posting about that stuff which was having people actually listen to me because it would all be bullshit and its not like i could get any constructive advice since nobody ever knows if i'm being serious or not. and i'm also so negative about myself that I refuse to even attempt to post seriously my thoughts on music and politics and basically everything because all I can think about is how stupid I sound when I do because I do in fact think I am extremely stupid.

you know, since i started this thread about me

so that's how it all happened, huh

interesting.

over the last few years i have had pencil dicked academia blowhards (professors) hand me some questionable grades because of my life views. it wasnt even political views, this was a philosophy class. needless to say ive had many great philosophy teachers who i still talk to and drink coffee with and be all academic with. they dont grade me harder because of my views. i know that sounds petty but that kinda sucked going to college, the place of furthering thought between students, and having some liberal weenie try and ruin my gpa.
it did jade me a little bit but it did give me insight at what the world of academia is about.

i also walked away without a scratch after blacking out at the wheel and hitting the side of the freeway at 70 mph. fucked my car up and sold it. but i was still alive. that changed my personal spirituality/life views instantley.

just the tip of the iceberg.

im surprised that youve so quickly kind of adopted the lingo of the american right, though. corganist is a good example of a guy who can have insane views but still be somewhat rational about them. ive never seen him bash france or use republican talking points or some shit. not to say that youre doing that or have done that, but that youre kind of edging towards that in your language it seems. like "liberal weenie" is an interesting example. no doubt such people exist, but i think thats a strawman conception of liberals overall. its easy to hate conservatives, too, if you imagine them being all moonshine-drunk hillbillies, but thats not exactly accurate.

also how many years has it been since youve changed? only since 2004?


its unfortunate to hear that something like that made you (if im reading into it correctly) religious. i know what kind of deep and real effect those kind of moments can have (i can only extrapolate though, ive never had a near death experience) and im not trivializing your experience as imaginary or something, but all i can say is that you should understand that theres no reason why spirituality should mean religiosity. spirituality is totally valid, and its actually for that reason that its all the more sad that people stuff that window closed with all kinds of absurd fucking dogma and whatever. whatever the truth is, we should never have to load our minds with utter nonsense to acquire it. just saying.

right now i'm having a conversation with one person and have no intentions of posting regularly on netphoria ever again. go away.


that's unfortunate

the more the merrier.

what was particularly out of line about that post

i dunno i think i was just annoyed that you sellecked the shit out of that other thread.

i mean what's the fucking point

is it me or are things moving to fucking fast? i cant keep up with this thread

it makes it feel like a party in here or something but its kind of overwhelming

further more i think it's facinating that you blame the democrats for the current ills of society when they have been in power for maybe three months out of the past 15 years.

poverty is on the rise. directly related to voodoo economics, an economic downturn that his hidden by the tax breaks for the wealthy that keeps the stockmarket from going bear. the reason wherever you live, I assume L.A. is back to being as bad as it was in the 80s is because SURPRISE a Reaganite is at the helm of the current administration. They don't care about the urban core, all they care about is the status quo. As far as illegal immigration is concerned, george bush actually supported naturalizing all mexicans currently in the country at first and then created a work permit that would allow mexicans to stay in this country so long as they had a job.

philosophy professors don't grade you poorly on your views since I guess they're dangerously underqualified and not well versed in current events. everything you say is based in half-truths, scapegoating, and ignorance. it is fairly obvious. Read a book.

man i get annoyed when people survive horrendous crashes and attribute it to some sort of spiritual experieince or some shit.

why do so many people fucking die in accidents then. you just got lucky.

im not religious. its completely my own spirituality. ive changed my life path after i was young dumb 18 liberal and at rock bottom. then that car thing happened.

now i feel fully alive. theres a lot more to me than just my political banter, and i do rag on liberals just for humor's sake. its the internet im sorry i just have to.

refer to bush youtube video sleeper

yeah too bad you aren't witty or clever

you just got lucky.
the point exactly.

spirituality is totally valid, and its actually for that reason that its all the more sad that people stuff that window closed with all kinds of absurd fucking dogma and whatever. whatever the truth is, we should never have to load our minds with utter nonsense to acquire it. just saying.

whoa. why? explain why spirituality is valid

the point exactly.

man you don't even know what the fuck you are arguing

yeah too bad you aren't witty or clever
too bad your misery has made you jaded and angry over the last few months. :(

is it me or are things moving to fucking fast? i cant keep up with this thread

it makes it feel like a party in here or something but its kind of overwhelminglaw of attraction no doubt :cool:

too bad your misery has made you jaded and angry over the last few months. :(

I've been jaded and angry for over a decade, idiot.

spirituality is something that can help someone live a positive life. it helps keep things moving in a positive direction.

religion can be the same thing, a positive tool if you dont interpret it literally. look at the bible as a great book on values and good moral standards. same with other religious texts.

whatever you do to live a positive life is what you should continue doing.

and even if someone DOES back you up on liking groundhog day, they supplement it with some sort of anti-hipster, anti-anti-anti-anti-intellectualism rhetoric, blah blah

it's happened over the past year and a half and i amount the transformation simply to growing up. i'm hardly who i'd like to be yet, but i do know that the person i want to become does not at all resemble these type of people, specifically in terms of the constant negativity that clouds the entire board... there's been things that have happened (getting out of america for the first time, my parents losing their house and savings, my girlfriend moving back to england, me understanding my potential to accomplish nearly anything i choose, my coming to terms with how young i really am still, jazz, chess) that have played their part in my "coming of age" but i just no longer have the tolerance for things and people and ideas and statements that i consider to be counterproductive, and hipinion is full of that

yeah i know what you mean with that first thing. the whole attitude is practically institutionalized. even sincerity has been translated into an acceptable ironic form.

youre basically reading my mind with everything that youre saying. i feel like just nodding impassionately, but that doesnt make sense over the internet. ill just state this instead.

but really you just seem like a much more successful, competant version of me, overall. i relate to a lot of what you described, i think. i was never a total hipster, but i went through a period of like 2 or 3 years where i was being so dishonest with myself and in that world and then a number of ugly events and realities kind of compounded and i kind of, as the cliche goes, hit rock bottom and then grew back out of that much better. that list of yours sounds pretty shit (hwo did that happen to your parents, out of curiosity? dont have to tell me, just asking) and id list my own if it wasnt just too personal and annoying for a message board.

i notice you said chess though. do you play a lot? i too got heavy into it over the past 3 years or so and now im totally in love with it. what level would you say youre at? maybe we should play some time. or i can revive our now-defunct netphorian chess ladder, which was fun while it lasted.

whoa. why? explain why spirituality is valid


you know this is like my favourite topic and id like to talk about this, but, shit, not now

You know what legal means then? You get on a boat and you show up at the immigration processing centers and you sign your name and then poof you're an american

that all changed when chinamen started invading seattle and california.

immigration restrictions are based in racism.

see, your history degree is coming handy

you know this is like my favourite topic and id like to talk about this, but, shit, not now

come onnnnnn sleeper

since when do you not want to talk

i'm really curious. i feel like if you're going to call all religious people fucking idiots then you have no right to call on some gay-ass "spirituality."

i don't mean to sound hostile, i really am just curious.

stephen colbert just now: "Americans are starting a plan to build walls in iraq. TRY TO GET IN NOW, MEXICANS!!!"

if i said that i would be an ignant niggar? right massa trots?

i wish i could be liberal and be free of any "bigot" claims :p

i am going to take a shower i hope sleeper didnt leave i want to hear his take on spirituality

kind of sad how you can't argue against me without using your pathetic definition of "liberalism" to mock me.

You can't even argue against what I've said specifically in this thread because you are ignorant of the issues and believe that all you need philosophically is an opinion, rather than any reason or information to back up your claims. Well played, dingus.

and there wouldn't be any point in me acting any different than i already do. it doesn't matter what i post, people either think i'm lying or making a joke or being ironic. if i say i dont like something its because im being contratian and not because i dont like it. and so on

right, well this is your own fault though. boy who cried wolf syndrome. if you werent a total liar and troll all the time, people wouldnt so instinctively distrust you.



but having a miserable fucking life it was pretty appealing to come on here and act like a bigshot and prop myself up to "board legend" status and that bullshit (and it worked) but it was also the only place i had to talk to people so i'd also talk about how depressed i am which completely poked holes in the rest of my act so i'd also ruin that by completely exaggerating it so it would all bleed together as part of one big shtick. which then ruined the entire purpose for me of posting about that stuff which was having people actually listen to me because it would all be bullshit and its not like i could get any constructive advice since nobody ever knows if i'm being serious or not. and i'm also so negative about myself that I refuse to even attempt to post seriously my thoughts on music and politics and basically everything because all I can think about is how stupid I sound when I do because I do in fact think I am extremely stupid.

the two thoughts that occured to me while i was reading this were: 1) is this post right here a troll? am i being baited? is he playing up his "depressed loser" thing just as a matter of course? and 2) why wouldnt it have been totally obvious that sincerity would have achieved those same ends better?
and im not even joking with the first, even as it came right after how youre a boy who cried wolf was the subject of discussion.

all in all, you just sound like a fucking coward, to be honest. the games and trolling is just a way to kind of protect yourself. youre not seriously interested in talking about your life or depression, i think thats bullshit. i mean maybe that desire exists on some level, but i think its only ever realized as a fake, self indulgent kind. im not even talkign abotu when you consciously do this either.

right now i'm having a conversation with one person and have no intentions of posting regularly on netphoria ever again. go away.

i thought the same a million times but i realized it can be alright if you just manage it correctly, if you make it work for you. i worked out a great system i think, with a few weeks on and then a few months off. and when i am here i try to not waste my time with bullshit drama or whatever and stick to whatever is worthwhile -- which usually means the politics board arguing endlessly with corganist, which i actually enjoy, or on here finding a few little niche threads and riding them until they sink.

kind of sad how you can't argue against me without using your pathetic definition of "liberalism" to mock me.

You can't even argue against what I've said specifically in this thread because you are ignorant of the issues and believe that all you need philosophically is an opinion, rather than any reason or information to back up your claims. Well played, dingus.

what is there to argue? i am against illegal immigration. are you for it?

where in this entire thread, let alone my board existence have i ever mocked you for being liberal? i dont see you as a "weenie" liberal. just one that intrigues me because of your geographic situation and life. whats wrong with that? its cool. i dont think i have ever called anyone out on their opinion on this board either.
if anything this thread proves the point that "weenie" liberals cant handle other people opinions. what are you a control freak? you think i am really fuckin stupid and cant have an opinion that differs from you? you think i havent gone over all the possibilities in my head and came to my own valid conclusion?

the discussion of philosophy and politics is completely different, i dont know where you are getting that from.

and i cant count on one finger how many 4th grade insults you know trots!
dingus was my favorite one so far.

yeah i know what you mean with that first thing. the whole attitude is practically institutionalized. even sincerity has been translated into an acceptable ironic form.

youre basically reading my mind with everything that youre saying. i feel like just nodding impassionately, but that doesnt make sense over the internet. ill just state this instead.

but really you just seem like a much more successful, competant version of me, overall. i relate to a lot of what you described, i think. i was never a total hipster, but i went through a period of like 2 or 3 years where i was being so dishonest with myself and in that world and then a number of ugly events and realities kind of compounded and i kind of, as the cliche goes, hit rock bottom and then grew back out of that much better. that list of yours sounds pretty shit (hwo did that happen to your parents, out of curiosity? dont have to tell me, just asking) and id list my own if it wasnt just too personal and annoying for a message board.

i notice you said chess though. do you play a lot? i too got heavy into it over the past 3 years or so and now im totally in love with it. what level would you say youre at? maybe we should play some time. or i can revive our now-defunct netphorian chess ladder, which was fun while it lasted.
i play chess whenever i can, which isn't too often. i'm a novice AT BEST and i doubt i'll be anything but that anytime in the foreseeable future. i mostly play with my ukranian friend who owns the coffee shop i frequent a few blocks from my apartment...the thing with my parents happened due to equal parts nonstop unfortunate events and their inability to deal with these events rationally. the entire ordeal turned me (the only child) into the most reasonable and level-headed member of my family. whatever.

where do you live, again?

i thought the same a million times but i realized it can be alright if you just manage it correctly, if you make it work for you. i worked out a great system i think, with a few weeks on and then a few months off. and when i am here i try to not waste my time with bullshit drama or whatever and stick to whatever is worthwhile -- which usually means the politics board arguing endlessly with corganist, which i actually enjoy, or on here finding a few little niche threads and riding them until they sink.
i don't plan on discontinuing popping in every so often, i just will not be an active poster again. i don't have the head for it

right, well this is your own fault though. boy who cried wolf syndrome. if you werent a total liar and troll all the time, people wouldnt so instinctively distrust you.




the two thoughts that occured to me while i was reading this were: 1) is this post right here a troll? am i being baited? is he playing up his "depressed loser" thing just as a matter of course? and 2) why wouldnt it have been totally obvious that sincerity would have achieved those same ends better?
and im not even joking with the first, even as it came right after how youre a boy who cried wolf was the subject of discussion.

all in all, you just sound like a fucking coward, to be honest. the games and trolling is just a way to kind of protect yourself. youre not seriously interested in talking about your life or depression, i think thats bullshit. i mean maybe that desire exists on some level, but i think its only ever realized as a fake, self indulgent kind. im not even talkign abotu when you consciously do this either.

well, yeah.
i honestly don't know how to respond to this. i'm probably just being dumb but i think you just echoed everything in my post.

refer to bush youtube video sleeper

he looked like the starchy, hokey, tasteless square that black people like to portray all white people as being, but i almost kind of admire of him for having the guts to do that, i think.

2) why wouldnt it have been totally obvious that sincerity would have achieved those same ends better?

ugh, i'll try anyway though
because like i said. i had already put a ton of effort into being an asshole and propping myself up because it was the opposite of what i could do in real life where i'm nothing and too meek to speak my mind and then that got old but at that point i also had people thinking i was funny and making friends somehow which is also something i never had in real life so wanting to actually share things about myself i didnt want it to screw with things i already had and so i just started acting like a character. of course this also alienated some of the people i had become friends with when i would constantly threaten suicide since it never occurs to me that someone might actually care. i'm losing my train of thought. my randomness isn't part of any schtick i have no ability to focus. i don't even know why i care. i've made actual friends here and they like me so why should i let this bother me. it does, though. anyway the thing is this board was basically the first place i was accepted and made "Friends" even though they were just online and once i had that it was hard to change anything about what i was doing. i dont know. i lived with someone here who can confirm im genuine about a lot of the stuff i post even though i sometimes play it up. for basically what you said, to protect myself. in the guise that im doing it for some sort of comedic value.

what kind of a jew goes bankrupt and loses their house

law of attraction no doubt :cool:

you mentioned before tongue in cheek, i remember, that every thread you touch turns to gold or whatever, but mayeb it is kind of true.

ive noticed that the general chat threads i post in usually end up really long and involved and whatever, but i think that has more to do with me being drawn to the particular threads that tend to go in that direction than to the me making threads like that wherever i go.

ive noticed that the general chat threads i post in usually end up really long and involved and whatever, but i think that has more to do with me being drawn to the particular threads that tend to go in that direction than to the me making threads like that wherever i go.i'm beginning to think life is that way in general, to be honest

spirituality is something that can help someone live a positive life. it helps keep things moving in a positive direction.

religion can be the same thing, a positive tool if you dont interpret it literally. look at the bible as a great book on values and good moral standards. same with other religious texts.

whatever you do to live a positive life is what you should continue doing.


i think a positive life, or whatever, is like the innevitable byproduct of something else, but that isnt the actual end itself i think. i think an actually fulflling, honest life will be positive, but you cant will positivity artificially. (not saying youre doing this exactly, but that your eye is maybe in the right direction but on the wrong ball).

and religion doesnt provide good moral standards at all. its through the absence of religious morality that we have in any way become moral. at best it can just provide a final barrier to immoral acts in some people, but more often it encourages people to, say, oppose stem cell research because they think embryos have soulds and destroying one is murder. nothing moral here at all, and this is one example in a field of millions.

where in this entire thread, let alone my board existence have i ever mocked you for being liberal? i dont see you as a "weenie" liberal. just one that intrigues me because of your geographic situation and life. whats wrong with that? its cool. i dont think i have ever called anyone out on their opinion on this board either.
if anything this thread proves the point that "weenie" liberals cant handle other people opinions. what are you a control freak? you think i am really fuckin stupid and cant have an opinion that differs from you? you think i havent gone over all the possibilities in my head and came to my own valid conclusion?.

This is pathetic. You can have a contrasting opinion to my own but when you blame "liberals" for the state of the country as it is right now, for the flood of Mexican immigrants (which no party's fault unless you want to talk about mexican politics) or because of the degredation of the urban core and I say "Oh that's dumb" and outline exactly why I think it's dumb and you can't come back with any defense other than the fact that I'm "afraid" of your opinions or I want to "control" your mind or some fucking goddamn garbage. What I want is some evidence that you actually know things and you're not showing me any.

Basically, your reasoning is wrong. You can hate immigrants and "minorities" who are anti-education but you should probably use reasons that aren't easily shot apart such as "The democrat party/liberals." Your veiws on war are abhorrent and Henry Kissinger would laugh in your face, and he's a pro-war conservative from the Nixon Administration. Many people can argue these issues far better than you can. I am pointing out that opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they all stink but arguments are a rare bird indeed and you seem to be unable to grasp this simple concept. This refrain has been used against me many, many times that I think people are idiots for believing in something other than what I think is true and that is pretty much true since there are few people on the right who seem to understand how to argue. Mariner and jczeroman are like the only "right wingers" (although it seems Mariner is the only liberal on this board) who seem to understand anything on this board, and I still like to make fun of jczeroman for his Randite philosophy. And fuck, Corganist may be a party line towing fool but at least he can argue better than you can.

My main enemies in political debate are the ignorant (Eff, you, Nimrod) and the party loyalists (Corganist, BlueStar, and sometimes Debaser). Both are destructive to debate, both are destructive to politics, and both are distructive to America. But then again, I hate Mayfuck, Eff, BlueStar and sometimes sleeper when they debate and they're firmly on the left. I'm like the only person left that believes that american politics are doomed since it seems our people don't even understand political ideology and have given a philosophy of freedom, that is Liberalism, a bad name. I mean you're just politically dumb down to your shoes but you aren't going to back off or do any reading to defend your ideas since you have dipshit ignoramuses like Rush Limbaugh and half of the Republican congress to get your back on this dumb crap.

I'll assume that my historically reasoned arguments against your simple ignorance are absolutely correct which is why you haven't responded to them still.

come onnnnnn sleeper

since when do you not want to talk

i'm really curious. i feel like if you're going to call all religious people fucking idiots then you have no right to call on some gay-ass "spirituality."

i don't mean to sound hostile, i really am just curious.

just to address this superficially: why would there be any contradiction there? theyre different things. thats what your maybe failing to realize.

oh man i hate arguing with eulogy

it's like i have to define the difference between white and black with him

kind of sad how you can't argue against me without using your pathetic definition of "liberalism" to mock me.

You can't even argue against what I've said specifically in this thread because you are ignorant of the issues and believe that all you need philosophically is an opinion, rather than any reason or information to back up your claims. Well played, dingus.

ok i didnt expect it to be so soon, but heres a good example of you being a dick.

i know the guy is a bush-voter and all, and youre right that hes contributing to the worst in america and whatever, but you should be a bit more polite, and not only because its the best means to the end of getting him to indict himself or whatever. i think he deserves politeness because i think hes much closer to being misguided than he is to being some rabid conservative zealot chenyite.

well you wouldn't have said that a few months ago

what if i was debating religion with him. then all the ad hominem attacks would be ok

and i prefer ad hominem attacks rather than patronizing him

i mean it's the same thing to me really but i suppose calling him a dumb bastard isn't helping me win him over to my side of things

i play chess whenever i can, which isn't too often. i'm a novice AT BEST and i doubt i'll be anything but that anytime in the foreseeable future. i mostly play with my ukranian friend who owns the coffee shop i frequent a few blocks from my apartment...the thing with my parents happened due to equal parts nonstop unfortunate events and their inability to deal with these events rationally. the entire ordeal turned me (the only child) into the most reasonable and level-headed member of my family. whatever.

where do you live, again?


i was in a similar situation, where my playing chess was dependent on other people playing chess, until i got a chess program, which i really recommend that you do. its great because you can, of course, play whenever you want, play against, potentially, the best there is, play without fear of mistake, and play against an opponent that is without emotional reasoning or whatever, which forces you to be strictly rational and merciless. when you go back to playing a human youll probably really notice, as i did, that you have a huge advantage against them because you can depend on their weird irrational fuckups and they cant depend on yours. i can yousend you a copy of this chess program if you want (chessmaster 9000), its great.

im too not that good. i dont know what level this is, but i can beat the computer solidly at 1400, and maybe at 1500 or 1600 if i try super hard, but thats really my limit so far.

i live in toronto

well, yeah.
i honestly don't know how to respond to this. i'm probably just being dumb but i think you just echoed everything in my post.

the part about hwo you dont actually want to talk about your depression, how thats fake, wasnt something you expressed, ithink