i think it's actually pretty cool what they've done with the website. it's just one big link to myspace, the most popular and accessible resource to share your own band, ideas, butt, pictures of your pets, whatever. and with the myspace link it's as if they're saying, "ah hah! the internet. do with it what you will." anyone can contribute and be a part of this whole thing. i've seen alot of complaints about the website here, but i think there's a method behind the madness and it's a neat idea, imo.

are you serial?

If a homeless guy farted into a microphone Jonny5 would proclaim it as the greatest song of all time.

are you serial?

i think hes super-serial

serial #<i>5</i>!!!

i mean, the pumpkins are a huge band with tons of content already out there. they have no need for a fancy site right now. they leave it up to us, the fans, to ask questions and find a way of going about getting the answers. i guess it's just one of those things with which you have to go with the flow and see what will come out of it.

It's totally fucked up - they're using their shitty MySpace page way too much.

whereas some bands use myspace as a supplemental page to their main site, the pumpkins are using their website as a supplemental source and the myspace page as their "source of information".

whereas some bands use myspace as a supplemental page to their main site, the pumpkins are using their website as a supplemental source and the myspace page as their "source of information".

wtf is the difference? theyre both webpages except one has a lot higher chance of being viewed, and im sure thats why they are doing it. sure the main website should be updated and not so much a "supplemental page"

myspace just has the connotation of shitty around here. its really a good medium for them

i think it's actually pretty cool what they've done with the website. it's just one big link to myspace, the most popular and accessible resource to share your own band, ideas, butt, pictures of your pets, whatever. and with the myspace link it's as if they're saying, "ah hah! the internet. do with it what you will." anyone can contribute and be a part of this whole thing. i've seen alot of complaints about the website here, but i think there's a method behind the madness and it's a neat idea, imo.
i suspect you are trolling
wtf is the difference? theyre both webpages except one has a lot higher chance of being viewed, and im sure thats why they are doing it. sure the main website should be updated and not so much a "supplemental page"

myspace just has the connotation of shitty around here. its really a good medium for them
Think of how absurd it would be for Abercrombie & Fitch to redirect their website visitors to their page on cafepress.com. What SP is doing is almost as bad.

It *is* as bad.

the one time i specifically try not to troll! =/

what i'm saying goes along with the band's crusade on myspace to get fans to contribute. they're creating that connection between fans and band with the website. it seems lame, i guess because all we have seen from it so far are those funny pics of fan gatherings. a few people huddled around, making a cake.

but for example look what NIN has done with the whole year zero thing. no way the band alone has produced it all. maybe its the fans that have helped with the whole package. maybe the pumpkins are looking to create something of similar proportions.

sooooo i guess my question is what have people been up to and what can be done

yeah pumpkins board! ow ow!!

This seems entirely a ridiculous conversation. Should the pumpkins be praised (or should billy and jimmy be praised, i guess i mean) merely for:

1) Not really employing any meaningful ideas and expecting their fans to fill in the void

B) If -anything- be merely ripping off NIN, who are actually doing a good job.

3) Taking the Easy Way Out that in many people's opinion isn't even a way.

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Their site is a joke, the first ever e-mail on the mailing list was just sent out last week, nobody wants street-corner cake and by trying so many wierd, non-musical things it shows that the priorities for this group when it comes to 'fan connections' are totally off.

I would rather be treated fairly than be urged to go bake a cake and take pictures of it so Billy can feel relevant.

About the only positive is the daily shifting of songs.

Songs which I really don't want to hear. It reminds me too much of when I was young and there really -were- a Smashing Pumpkins.

BillyKicker, you have the best username

it is a pretty ridiculous conversation. but what i'd say your list up there is missing is that the band wants to encourage the fans to create the content for themselves, rather than the other way around in which the band dictates the way you should see it. another thing is that all this doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with the band's artistic content...

also this could just be a pile of nonsense

So if the fans are making the art why do we have to pay? Why don't we get to be famous?

If we are dictating the way we see the band, why don't they just stay home and let a new generation of artists get some credit. This seems like a way to get people to make current, relevant, new ideas, trick them into giving the credit to the pumpkins in exchange for exposure, and then sit back and reflect on how clever they are for not having to do anything or pay anybody to run a website lol ;)

If a homeless guy farted into a microphone Jonny5 would proclaim it as the greatest song of all time.
then i have some CD-Rs to sell to this young man