So go ahead and predict album sales because thats all the matters to bill.

I'm going with first week sales of 90k, with 150k by the end of the year.

Now go.

What an excellent idea for a thread.

What an excellent idea for a thread.

I don't think this thread has been made before. I'm also interested just how delusional sp fans are.

I must be delusional. I think it'll at least go platinum.

i would have said "zeitshite"

12k first week

30k year

Over 500,000, more than Machina, less than Adore, or any other album for that matter.

it will go 4 x platinum, sufficiently crushing everyone into the dust. or whatever.

double post

So go ahead and predict album sales because thats all the matters to bill.

I'm going with first week sales of 90k, with 150k by the end of the year.

Now go.

what the fuck is wrong with you? You are predicting album sales solely on the name Smashing Pumpkins and not on the quality of the album? seriously, what point are you trying to make?
just don't buy the fucking album if you don't like sp anymore. i'm sure davin will buy two copies anyway.

You are predicting album sales solely on the name Smashing Pumpkins and not on the quality of the album?

Lots of people buy albums on the "name" alone. Thats why I said to give two figures. The first is based on the impact the single has plus, name recognition. The second, based on the quality of the album. Which I believe will be shit.

Now quit being stupid.

i would have said "zeitshite"
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I think Zeitgeist goes gold. Every other pumpkin studio record has gone atleast gold so I would expect the same to happen here.

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First week: around 150k. By the end of 07, 300-400k.

im gonna buy 2.
so it will sell at least 102.

One hundred billion. Or similar to the Machina sales, whichever comes first.

If it's any good, maybe 1 million worldwide in its first year. The new Pearl Jam album sold more than that, so I don't see why not. If it's shit, 250k on hype and the SP name alone.

4 million copies, cause it's not gonna be siamese dream 2, but mellon collie 2 on one disc. believe me

Slightly less than Machina due to the general decrease in demand for albums. What does a number one album even sell anymore anyway?

zeitgeist will be one of the runaway hit albums of the year. sp are gonna be back with a vengeance.

100.000 first week
500,000 overall

325,319 first week
3.2 Million in the first year.

it's because of the dance hit "Zitar"

It all depends on the singles really, if they can get a couple of hit singles anything could happen. However like some people have said, more than Machina, less than Adore.
Also depends if they appeal to the sort of people who worship MCR, etc. As much as that entire 'scene' annoys me at times, thats where SP will find a lot of new fans if their album succeeds.

I think it could do at least as well as Adore, but certainly no better and possibly worse if half of the band is comprised of ringers...

you guys there is no new album you are all sheep

It'll get more recognition than you will for anything in your meaningless life, Esty.

Holy shit, if thats all that matters, billy should put it up on the internet and not charge us a dime.

Good idea eff.

I'll buy one, Esty will buy 500,000, and my friend might buy one. So, 500,002, at least.

I don't think this thread has been made before. I'm also interested just how delusional sp fans are.


You're trying to be original? Come on, we've speculated on album sales for months now. This thread is a fucking floater in my toilet bowl. Quit wasting your time Esty and get back to what you do best: being everyone's favorite negative circus monkey. That's the only thing you're good at. Leadership is NOT your forte'.

DANCE MONKEY!! DANCE!!

Esty should just stop posting

Esty should just stop posting

wholeheartedly agreed

Come on, we've speculated on album sales for months now.

We have? Don't remember it. Feel free to link me to a thread where this discussion took place.

We have? Don't remember it. Feel free to link me to a thread where this discussion took place.
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=137082 (http://forums.netphoria.org/login.php?do=logout&u=1855)

My assholes-as-opinions assessment is based on a kind of theory:

Enough time has passed since the slow-burn and demise of the Pumpkins that their less "glorious" post-MCIS era has been all but forgotten in the minds of the general music-listening public, and the result of this is that when the audience hears of the re-formation of the Pumpkins (well, sort of...) their memories will be most likely to recall the Pumpkins of 1996. While there *will* be a significant number of people who won't care, there will also be a significant portion whose interest is piqued enough to at least give a cursory listen (and then perhaps remember why they quit listening in the first place!?) I can guess that the alblum may achieve fairly decent sells--at least out of curiosity (and for those that don't just DL'it buffet-style to quench that curiosity, of course)--not spectacular, but maybe better than Machina.

Esty should just stop posting

Esty, will you stop posting on the sp board if eff stops posting altogether?

The new album title is Sheissengeist. The proper German translation.

on the assumption that it's just bc + jc, they go over well on the festival circuit, score a minor hit single and the album is solid, then platinum in the US.

They have the potential to be huge again simply as a novelty act. 90's rock is now being bundled and reminsced on by the gen-x crowd in droves. Many from this period are looking for a little taste of their youth which is why groups like Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, and even Audioslave (who played their prior band's hits) were so successful on tour.

To topple that, they seem to have an "in" with the youth through other groups that cite them as an influence. They are a trendy pick for kids to namedrop in order to appear deep.

So they have a potentially large and diverse crowd to pull in, but, as stated previously, the market for buying albums isn't there anymore so this may not be the truest indicator of any recent success or lack there of. Touring and online purchases (if tracked) will be a more telling sign.

I predict 250k in the first month and not a whole lot more after.

Netphoria is amazing, it's like opposite world. The ones with the most posts are the trolls?!!?

More than Machina, less than Adore? I don't know, this thread is kind of useless without leaked tracks.

Who cares?

Who cares?

Probably Billy and Warner Bros.

Yeah, probably WB.

But I really don't think Billy would care too much if it didn't sell phenomenally, as long as people liked it. It's not like he needs the money, I'm assuming.

It all depends on the singles really, if they can get a couple of hit singles anything could happen. However like some people have said, more than Machina, less than Adore.
Also depends if they appeal to the sort of people who worship MCR, etc. As much as that entire 'scene' annoys me at times, thats where SP will find a lot of new fans if their album succeeds.

I really hope this doesn't happen. If I find myself going to a gig with a whole load of MCR fans saying this guy Corgan ... is like Gerrard, but not as tuneful. I will be very sad. I'd love it if SP managed to pick up new Muse or NIN fans, I wouldn't mind standing next to one of them at a concert.

Esty, will you stop posting on the sp board if eff stops posting altogether?
seriously, what a lame poster. eat shit esty

atleast gold...maybe better

i dont think billy would bring back the band after 7 years to put out a shitty album. id say it makes billboard top 5 atleast.

It will be like 10-15 bucks like every other CD.

...Why was Esty Banned?

i dont think billy would bring back the band after 7 years to put out a shitty album. id say it makes billboard top 5 atleast.

Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be a shitty album. But, since when do quality of album and billboard top 5 correlate?

Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be a shitty album. But, since when do quality of album and billboard top 5 correlate?

good sp albums tend to sell.

It will be like 10-15 bucks like every other CD.

...Why was Esty Banned?

Read the thread before you answer next time stupid.

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that's 2 for everyone - just in case one gets scratchied

More than Machina, less than Adore? I don't know, this thread is kind of useless without leaked tracks.
Ahhh, BUT, we all know that there are several factors contributing to alblum sales besides the quality/style of the music itself. Even if we were somehow privy to some of the new music, it would still be very difficult to guage the reception of the "general public." I do believe this thread was built on that understood assumption.

At least 2 million worldwide this year

it depends on the first single. everyone knows that!

but so far im giving it better sales than MSOTS and TFE but less than machina.
If it's any good, maybe 1 million worldwide in its first year. The new Pearl Jam album sold more than that, so I don't see why not. If it's shit, 250k on hype and the SP name alone.
first single will determine initial sales, but reviews and word-of-mouth will determine how it will progress from there and beyond. name recognition and existing fanbase will obviously count for a lot throughout the release cycle.

i agree its hard to estimate for sure without knowing more about the sound of the album. :think:

3 copies. one for davin, one for zsp77 and one for billy corgan. everyone else is gonna be smart and download it.
what the fuck is wrong with you? You are predicting album sales solely on the name Smashing Pumpkins and not on the quality of the album? seriously, what point are you trying to make?
just don't buy the fucking album if you don't like sp anymore. i'm sure davin will buy two copies anyway.
i will download 2 copies (1 lossless and 1 for my ipod) and yes, i will buy 2 copies (one vinyl, one CD) :cool:

4 million copies, cause it's not gonna be siamese dream 2, but mellon collie 2 on one disc. believe me
i think/hope it will be mellon collie 2 on one disc with a little more psychadelic stuff thrown in rather than "cyber-metal".

They're being billed (pardon the pun) pretty high on all the festivals so there's the potential for this tour to be really big. It will be even if the new music sucks, because of all the old material they've got to please crowds with still, and album sales on the back of that could go platinum if they're lucky. If not, it'll go gold.

worse than machina.

It all depends on what the first single sounds like. If the first single can easily be sold as a catchy ringtone then +250,000 sales. If the single has Billy singing about riding big on 20 inch rims then I really like his odds to go platinum!

To topple that, they seem to have an "in" with the youth through other groups that cite them as an influence. They are a trendy pick for kids to namedrop in order to appear deep.


Suddenly I feel very old.

If a teenager told me he was a Pumpkins fan I'd punch him in the face.

i would have said "zeitshite"

"shite" with a long "i" sound? Well, at least that rhymes with might and light, so I'm sure Billy can string something out of it.


This album will go gold, but only if they reuse the videos for Tonight, Tonight and 1979 for the new singles. Just have the old videos shown with the new music playing in the background.

Shite would be the popular Scottish form of the American "shit" derived from the German "sheissen."

If a teenager told me he was a Pumpkins fan I'd punch him in the face.

I'm fifteen and I've listened to the Pumpkins since I was eight. :noway:

Back on topic, I think the album will sell around 300k before the end of the year.

Did you start with the back catalogue or the 2000 material? That's the real question here. The album will sell in a variety of physical locations and online, and will sell 777,777 copies.

i would buy a couple.

Less than MACHINA. As Charmbag pointed out no one buys albums anymore plus not many care much about the Smashing Pumpkins.

I think sales should not be an issue, I can't say whether sales matter so much to billy, but I think his success will be measured in musical quality, not sales.... I mean... let's not fall into this modern crap, britney spears sold millions and her music was horrible... same with other artists...

Billy should should aim for a musical success... not a financial one, because modern music industry has gotten corrupted beyond repair....

now people watch american idol for music.... horrible!

if he sells 1 million, 2 millions, 10,000 copies... it doesn't make a difference...

Obviously it doesn't matter how much he sells, but... I really gotta hope better than machina, god damn.

I think sales should not be an issue, I can't say whether sales matter so much to billy, but I think his success will be measured in musical quality, not sales.... I mean... let's not fall into this modern crap, britney spears sold millions and her music was horrible... same with other artists...

Billy should should aim for a musical success... not a financial one, because modern music industry has gotten corrupted beyond repair....

now people watch american idol for music.... horrible!

if he sells 1 million, 2 millions, 10,000 copies... it doesn't make a difference...

Actually it does make a difference. If it sells shitty, then say good by to the Smashing Pumpkins again.

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I think it'll hit the 1 million mark by the end of '08

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I think zeitgeist will sell lots of copies, but not like, loads.

So go ahead and predict album sales because thats all the matters to bill.

I'm going with first week sales of 90k, with 150k by the end of the year.

Now go.

who really cares how many records they sell?
big numbers don't make or define great music or lasting art...

I am buying a copy for myself, and i'll probably buy several copies for friends...
if the rest of the world knew what was good for them, they'd do the same....

and I'm pretty sure album sales isn't what matters to Billy, I'm sure he'd like the album to sell....
but if it doesn't I'm sure it won't be the end of the world, he'll just go make some more beautiful and amazing albums for the people here at netphoria to crap all over....
its what they do best...

Actually it does make a difference. If it sells shitty, then say good by to the Smashing Pumpkins again.

wrong...

4 million copies, cause it's not gonna be siamese dream 2, but mellon collie 2 on one disc. believe me

I'll gladly take Mellon Collie 2.

Bring it on.

Actually Billy cares about sales...He was all like " I am dissapointed in the fans"...after the Adore sales.

So go ahead and predict album sales because thats all the matters to bill.

I'm going with first week sales of 90k, with 150k by the end of the year.

Now go.

4 million

I think zeitgeist will sell lots of copies, but not like, loads.

I say anywhere between 400,000 and Platinum. Its tough to go Platinum these days.

um considering album sales are why virgin and corgan split, and why machina 2 wasn't alowed to be released, im pretty sure they matter. good sales = product stays on the market. don't be a idiot.

i'm not being an idiot, zwan's album didn't sell good, machina didn't sell good, adore didn't sell good, TheFutureEmbrace didn't sell good, The Jimmy Chamberlin Complex didn't sell good....who cares why corgan and the record company split? Corgan will continue making music no matter what and I think he won't stop making music under the name of the pumpkins based solely upon how many copies Zeitgeist sells....
I don't think he started the Pumpkins back up again just so he could make one album and say "fuck it" if it didn't sell again...

oh and by the way...
eat shit asshole....

Anyone thinking this thing is going to sell 3-4 million is just insane.

The market nowadays you have to be Stupid huge to even get to 5 million.

1-2 million now is considered a success. Money is not made by cds anymore. Thats a fact. Money has to be made in touring and merchandise.

he'll just go make some more beautiful and amazing albums for the people here at netphoria to crap all over....
its what they do best...

true, but we're no worse than him. it's crazy.

Hehe... Glad this got bumped. I change my plea from "between adore and machina" to probably 1 million less than Siamese (3 mil?). And I say a million less because of all of the people with broadband who will probably download the album without buying a copy.

2 million by early next year.

762,354

762,354

you could be right.

you could be right.

nah, 762,355

So go ahead and predict album sales because thats all the matters to bill.

I'm going with first week sales of 90k, with 150k by the end of the year.

Now go.


Looks like I was wrong. I underestimated the amount of dickheads who would buy it, plus bills rainbow special editions.

Eh, can't be perfect.

2 million by early next year.
:rofl:

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but does anyone know the current total? I know that it sold 150,000 copies in it's first week, but I don't know what happened beyond that.

current total is probably around 250,000, most likely alittle less.

Looks like I was wrong. I underestimated the amount of dickheads who would buy it, plus bills rainbow special editions.

Eh, can't be perfect.

Looks like they will double your prediction. Shows how much you know about good music.

I know a lot about good music. I underestimated how many people buy bad music.

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but does anyone know the current total? I know that it sold 150,000 copies in it's first week, but I don't know what happened beyond that.

http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=146174

I know a lot about good music. I underestimated how many people buy bad music.

Truly baffling.

I can't believe this thread came back.

I would've titled it Sheissengeist though.. for the full German effect.