just now beginning that part of the book. big huge chunk of information cramming into my head.

what do you guys think about the fall of the roman empire! :cool:

if there is a subject that has been done to death without any clarification, it's that.

who fucking cares.

Lets get some vikings up in this bitch.

my teacher cares!!!!!!!!!!!!
you should care. :-/

i care about vikings

it varies. can be gorgeous but other times very rainy. spring is the best time to go if you can make it. but it's really beautiful any time, any weather. just go, you'll be glad you did!

fall OF not fall IN
lame joke

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Just pay attention to the USA... history repeats itself and I'm pretty sure you are in for a lesson in the next 50 years :(

i think it's funny that the decline of the roman empire was mentioned only 77 pages into a 300 page chronological overview of roman history from its beginnings through constantine that i had to read for classics. and this wasn't just an anticipation of what was to come, it was something romans felt was occurring. from what i recall, it was due to the destruction of carthage and, to a lesser extent, corinth.

a Roman fall? a fall of Rome?

i have been speaking and writing English all my life.

kristin xp is a harsh mistress, her candid stringency being a thing to court, yet it would most beseem her to pick these quibbles more studiously. the part about the empire, for instance.

i can be a harsh mistress, but most of those instances are warranted. don't gimmie all dat jibba jabba

i have been speaking and writing English all my life.


I try to do only one at a time or I get confused. And I definitely take breaks.

Just pay attention to the USA... history repeats itself and I'm pretty sure you are in for a lesson in the next 50 years :(

You mean barbarians from the north are going to pillage New York and Washington?
You mean a new religion will sweep through the countryside and start to undermine the authority of the government?

i think it's funny that the decline of the roman empire was mentioned only 77 pages into a 300 page chronological overview of roman history from its beginnings through constantine that i had to read for classics. and this wasn't just an anticipation of what was to come, it was something romans felt was occurring. from what i recall, it was due to the destruction of carthage and, to a lesser extent, corinth.

there's also this book called The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire by Gibbon. It's kind of important.

so british historians' ideas are valuable just because their empire stole priceless antiquities?

anyway, there's a funny anecdote about ben franklin being denied a meeting with gibbon, upon which franklin remarked that he'd help gibbon with his next work on the fall of the british empire.

so british historians' ideas are valuable just because their empire stole priceless antiquities

the fuck are you talking about

put down the zinn

i'm sorry, i thought i was allowed at least one joke about the british and their habit of borrowing.

awesome thread title

yeah i was thinking, 'how topical'. then i found out she was reading a book. books are dirty things.

fall OF not fall IN
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you should take notes

a Roman fall? a fall of Rome?

i have been speaking and writing English all my life.

kristin xp is a harsh mistress, her candid stringency being a thing to court, yet it would most beseem her to pick these quibbles more studiously. the part about the empire, for instance.


this will keep me busy all day

The rule is, dont fuck with the Gawths.

I find todays definition of the goths to be highly amusing considering just over a thousand years ago they were running around Europe stomping holes in everyones empire.

It's too bad it happened. We could be far more advance technology wise and we'd all be speaking Latin. stupid dark ages

the romans fucking suck. all they did was invading other countries for no reason at all (like Hitler and Bush) and stealing art, literature and philosophy. the greeks were a lot smarter than those fucking stupid romans.

That may be true, and yes they viewed all non roman as savages, but they probably had a point, heh, when they invaded britain they installed public baths, a system of law, good roads and introduced advanced arable farming techniques. I must say that i was pretty pissed off when i heard about the fall of the roman empire. Especially when the fucking saxons came along and ruined all our shit.

Puer in agrobat laborum! Nunc canem est laetifundae

The Roman empire used to be my favorite civilization... Now, it's the Minoans.

i was always really interested in it but i dont know how i feel reading that book. seems daunting

Done to death.

Barbarian hordes ravaging the borderlands, the fact that the Empire had long since spread itself too thin, and an antiquated socioeconomic structure all contributed to the demise of the Roman Empire.

the book i'm reading among 3 others is Western Europe in the Middle Ages: 300-1475

it says that the romans were not creative or advanced enough technologically to support their growing empire and lack of work force. the middle class was becoming non-existent and the only people doing menial agricultural work were slaves that they were running out of. It was noted that the romans were not a 'culture' of creative people but often borrowed from the greek.

"the class that received leased consideration from the government was the class whose productive labor supported the whole superstructure of the state."

i don't care if it's done to death!!!! i'm doing it now and we're all gonna participate damnit.

i don't care if it's done to death!!!! i'm doing it now and we're all gonna participate damnit.

http://www.thelionsfanatics.com/tlfforum/style_emoticons/default/closed.gif

hehe

THE EMPIRE NEVER ENDED

The citizens of the empire began opting out, leaving a hollow structure that collapsed in on itself, the shell propped up temporarily by those refusing to accept (or ingorant of) the inevitability of the decline. As spiraling inflation started to become a real problem, the emperors began taking extreme measures, forcing people to remain in the occupation of their fathers, leading to a inflexible economic system and a shrinking birthrate. The central government took whatever it required to fund its bloated bureaucracy and mercenary army (most roman citizens being exempt from service), regardless of the effects this would have, thus generating a large degree of resentment. Corruption amongst roman officials was rife. Barbarian chieftains occupying many provinces began to offer protection to romans against rapacious tax collectors and other government officials, beginning the feudal system and depriving the empire of much of its population and revenue. Many people also entered monastries, rendering them immune from imperial government powers. Essentially, better options were offered to the people and the rigid empire could neither compete nor adapt to the changing environment.

WHEN DID IT IS FALL

I'd rather talk about the Austro-Hungarian Dual Monarchy.

lol Austro

famous for fuck all

no seriously guys, let's get to the bottom of this.

It requires deeper investigation than a simple national geographic channel special.

Mongols > Romans

famous for fuck all


I love Eddie Izzard.


Let's talk about the Russo-Japanese War! 1904! That's good stuff.

look mariner. get your panties out of your ass and understand i'm not asking people to give me any answers. i just wanted to start a discussion or a succession of posts concerning what i'm reading about.

chill the fuck out and go draw on your little board

terrible moron

i just wanted to start a discussion or a succession of posts concerning what i'm reading about.



exactly


k, you're really bad at this

i cant bear people who express an interest in history, much less in dumbed down dude-tastic terms. not that i have anything against history, or holding an interest in it, the people who feel the need to express their views just seem to consistently blow

"and then caesar pretty much bitch-slapped the gauls" that kind of shit

i just wished more about giving me short cut but detailed answers and made this shit sound interesting.
i'm going ADD right now just clicking the highlighter back and forth to "i believe in a thing called love" by darkness

exactly


k, you're really bad at this
i could be pretty bad at 'this'. i don't know your sense of humor because i guess i haven't paid attention to it really, so no....i don't quite get what you mean sometimes and i just either ignore it or make fun of your 'hey you guys! i don't like being red! i'm leaving" pouty threads.

he wasn't red

he would have been eventually though :-p

jesus...

no that's too early. let's talk about constantine

Let's talk about the Russo-Japanese War! 1904! That's good stuff.

Beginning of the end for the tsar. Jappos went from feudal society to a major threat to the european hegemony in a scant 30-35 years.

the people who feel the need to express their views just seem to consistently blow

the irony overwhelms me.

no that's too early. let's talk about constantine


i just wanted to make sure everybody saw what she did here

Constantine is kind of rad.

NOW THAT'S A PUN.

i just wanted to make sure everybody saw what she did here
was scrolling up just too hard for some people?

I'm just making sure that we're talking about Hellblazer John Constantine not Keanu Reevs John Constantine, right? Ok.

yeah son of constantius Constantine. you know the one that moved the capital to Constantinople and set up one of the grandest capital cities in existence as well as providing the roman empire with Christianity that began to weaken the structure of the military and government and cause a few wars every now and then. that guy

Beginning of the end for the tsar. Jappos went from feudal society to a major threat to the european hegemony in a scant 30-35 years.


Shit yes. I love it!

The Franco-Prussian War was good too. Silly ol Otto Von Bismark!