Everyone knows the smashing pumpkins live performances have created a lot of different versions of the songs we're all familliar with from the albums, (obviously, as any band does), but theyve even had a knack for switching up the styles multiple times to suit the albums theyve premoted and to fit exactly the feeling of each concert they play, ex: adore era 1979, later days bwbw with a lack luster vocal performance claimed to be the final evolution of the song, pug (with jimmy) or even the mutated version of to sheila. now, with that in mind, billy said once that he would never play the hits again unless he was "there with the music", so do you think when they tour and play theyre going to rework the original songs into something new? he says tunes are being dusted off, but i cant see him reverting back to things in the same way. i expect a whole new sound just from the fact that theyve had time to look back at all their work. what do you think?

Porcelina Machina style is enough to show me that things can get more awesome.

Porcelina Machina style is enough to show me that things can get more awesome.

I'm not sure I've heard anything of the sort... Do you know if there are any good examples online at RSPAA?

Porcelina Machina style is enough to show me that things can get more awesome.
youre right, i totally forgot that at the end they had such a good hold on that song it was ridiculous.

I'm not sure I've heard anything of the sort... Do you know if there are any good examples online at RSPAA?

ftp://spaa:spaa@ftp.rspaa.niluje.net//2000/2000-11-29%20United%20Center,%20Chicago,%20IL,%20US/20001129d2%20-%2010%20-%20Porcelina%20of%20the%20Vast%20Oceans.mp3

definitely agree about Machina era Porcelina...not to mention Machina era Snail (from storytellers) -- both awesome.

the only song that they changed up that I never liked was the Adore era Thru the Eyes of Ruby. It was WEAK. Glad they went back to the MCIS-ish version for the Farewell shows.

However, if Billy has to train new memebers, chances are they will stick with the album versions...at least initially. Jimmy said at the Blue Island drum clinic that most of the live jams (thru the eyes of ruby, silverfuck, xyu, etc.) developed live..though they may incorporate riffs they've messed around with, they really get a life of their own on the live stage. therefore, i predict the later tour dates to have more of an evolvement, rather than the earlier ones.

yeah the new SP will change up the old songs. They will be molded to fit the current theme of the album as usual. But I will say that Cherub Rock will most likely not be altered at all if they play it.

i predict the later tour dates to have more of an evolvement, rather than the earlier ones.



interesting prediction, nostradamus. things will evolve more as more time passes, you say? that is blowing my mind!!!

i figured a stupid fuck such as yourself wouldn't believe in evolution...

drats that's one prediction that went sour! :(

what the hell?

i want "perfect" played at my funeral

Nevermind the above. I think I would like to hear thru the eyes of ruby crushing my car stereo into dust as I walk into the ocean letting the tide take me out to the sharks.

bwbw (live) after '96 was a big crap!

bwbw (live) after '96 was a big crap!
How big exactly are we talking here?

later days bwbw with a lack luster vocal performance claimed to be the final evolution of the song

^

i figured a stupid fuck such as yourself wouldn't believe in evolution...

drats that's one prediction that went sour! :(


:think:

what, guys?

its going to be interesting hearing electroclash renditions of the old songs. i'm looking forward to it

However, if Billy has to train new memebers, chances are they will stick with the album versions...at least initially. Jimmy said at the Blue Island drum clinic that most of the live jams (thru the eyes of ruby, silverfuck, xyu, etc.) developed live..though they may incorporate riffs they've messed around with, they really get a life of their own on the live stage. therefore, i predict the later tour dates to have more of an evolvement, rather than the earlier ones. Jimmy also did say that they were going to do heavy practice for a month and a half before heading out on tour

definitely agree about Machina era Porcelina...not to mention Machina era Snail (from storytellers) -- both awesome.

the only song that they changed up that I never liked was the Adore era Thru the Eyes of Ruby. It was WEAK. Glad they went back to the MCIS-ish version for the Farewell shows.

However, if Billy has to train new memebers, chances are they will stick with the album versions...at least initially. Jimmy said at the Blue Island drum clinic that most of the live jams (thru the eyes of ruby, silverfuck, xyu, etc.) developed live..though they may incorporate riffs they've messed around with, they really get a life of their own on the live stage. therefore, i predict the later tour dates to have more of an evolvement, rather than the earlier ones.

so davins droppin blue island drum clinics on our ass now, nice.

side note on that evening.....i took my little brother to that bar. with the ticket i bought him, he won the cymbal at the end of the raffle. i won nothing. i THINK that was the highest prize they had. so i let him keep it, im pretty cool like that. on our way out i told him to have jimmy sign it. a couple years later i asked him to get it out so i can take a picture, it had been "collecting dust in his closet" ever since. but no, the little jerk gave i away to one of his friends and it was now ruined.
i was pissed, (and maybe still am?) cos i coulda used it! and jimmy signed it.

blue island.

However, if Billy has to train new memebers, chances are they will stick with the album versions...at least initially.
I would think Billy would be smart enough to hire someone who actually knows music theory and can therefore jam and improvise along with a live band with ease.

what if they jam so much time rock and roll that the old song sounds like new songs and are memorable? welcome to the black parade...

yeah the new SP will change up the old songs. They will be molded to fit the current theme of the album as usual. But I will say that Cherub Rock will most likely not be altered at all if they play it.

I'm with you on these predictions. Except I would say the songs fit the mood of the current tour more than the current album. A subtle difference.

i want "perfect" played at my funeral


I always think about this when I listen to all my stuff and I always end up going with MCIS. Just set track 1 on repeat. :hanging:

ftp://spaa:spaa@ftp.rspaa.niluje.ne...st%20Oceans.mp3

The sound of a rocket ship taking off... Thanks.

yea i think the live show is going to be massive. for some reason i keep picturing them opening a set with a really rocked out version of behold! the nightmare.

Porcelina Machina style is enough to show me that things can get more awesome.

need video of this immediately

yea i think the live show is going to be massive. for some reason i keep picturing them opening a set with a really rocked out version of behold! the nightmare.

They'll open with a new song. They'll be doing everything in their power to keep this from being a touchy, feely, greatest hits reunion tour.

They'll open with a new song. They'll be doing everything in their power to keep this from being a touchy, feely, greatest hits reunion tour.

i really dont think opening with behold! the nightmare would imply a greatest hits tour, but i get what you mean.

i really dont think opening with behold! the nightmare would imply a greatest hits tour, but i get what you mean.

Have they played Behold! outside of the Adore tour? I've always loved that song... Some of my favourite lyrics...

"withstood the suitors quiet siege"...

He does know how to write well... And then we get something like "2007 (from Billy)"... Go figure.

haha i think hes under a lot of pressure. probably mostly from himself because no one likes him anymore. but i believe in him.

i believe in everything billy says, i can't wait for his new novel to come out!!

all i know is if they try to pull off some sort of super-hits-medley im going to be really really upset.

They'll be doing everything in their power to keep this from being a touchy, feely, greatest hits reunion tour.
yes, billy has said many times he doesn't want this to be some big happy sell out reunion tour, pixies style, that if they come back it's going to pick up where they left off, he wants to play some of the old heavier album tracks and b-sides they never played.

i think it'll be a lot like the arising tour, lots of new stuff, based on a raw heavy sound, and a sprinkling of old songs aimed at fans more than casual listeners, ie not too many singles.

i'm thinking stuff like HKK, MIS, TOASE (hopefully?) white spider, tristessa, quiet, geek, etc.

the focus of this tour will most likely be on heavy songs. bc/jc don't just want to destroy to remind everyone of how powerful they are, but i think they also feel that since they're getting older, they won't be able to play those heavier songs as well as they used to, so in a sense they want to rock like its gonna be their last. it won't be, of course, but you can appreciate that songs like jellybelly, geek, cash car etc are intensely difficult to play, especially the drum parts, and jimmy's said a few times that he won't play those songs anymore after he hits 50 or something.

so, prepare for the rampage guys.

so davins droppin blue island drum clinics on our ass now, nice.

side note on that evening.....i took my little brother to that bar. with the ticket i bought him, he won the cymbal at the end of the raffle. i won nothing. i THINK that was the highest prize they had. so i let him keep it, im pretty cool like that. on our way out i told him to have jimmy sign it. a couple years later i asked him to get it out so i can take a picture, it had been "collecting dust in his closet" ever since. but no, the little jerk gave i away to one of his friends and it was now ruined.
i was pissed, (and maybe still am?) cos i coulda used it! and jimmy signed it.

blue island.


i remember that

ex: adore era 1979, later days bwbw with a lack luster vocal performance claimed to be the final evolution of the song

Adore-era of 1979 was too fast and loses the subtlety and stoner-ishness of the MCIS performances. Machina-era BWBW is just too slow - all the energy is sucked from it; conversely, Fuck You and Zero tend to be played too quick. Some songs did benefit from a different treatment, however.

i believe in everything billy says, i can't wait for his new novel to come out!!
Metro DVD comming.....awe- fuck it...

Porcelina Machina style is enough to show me that things can get more awesome.

that was terrible :noway:

that was terrible :noway:

Agree, that was horrid. A beautiful song like that they shouldn't have fucked with.
-matt

i think now that the pumpkins are back together, the metro dvd is never going to come out unless they break up again.

yes, billy has said many times he doesn't want this to be some big happy sell out reunion tour, pixies style, that if they come back it's going to pick up where they left off, he wants to play some of the old heavier album tracks and b-sides they never played.

My thoughts exactly. I can't imagine them playing Today, Rocket, Bullet with Buttefly Wings, 1979, Tonight, Tonight, etc. over and over again. I think it would be some of the lesser known stuff of the older catalogue. I just hope they play The End is the Beginning is the End.