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rocksteady
11-04-2006, 12:07 PM
it's now been roughly a year and four months since the chicago tribune ad and not even once has anyone so much as breathed a piece of substantial information regarding the involvement of darcy or james.

and now with these blogs from jimmy becoming increasingly frequent and informative seems as though they are carrying on without them. and i'm growing more and more annoyed by their decision to withhold this FUCKING SIMPLE PIECE OF INFORMATION for so long. If they tour and james is not there, I will proudly save my money for something better.

Ramdust
11-04-2006, 12:15 PM
Fuck you

ratking17
11-04-2006, 12:17 PM
cunt

medellia
11-04-2006, 12:26 PM
they're probably afraid negative hype about james or d'arcy's absence might incite a boycott amid the circle of the exceptionally devoted. they're stonewalling; who can blame them? they can't deliver.

GlasgowKiss
11-04-2006, 12:27 PM
Yeah.

Mariner
11-04-2006, 12:29 PM
if billy and jimmy want to make music together again, and even play some old pumpkins songs on the road, fine. but don't call it the smashing pumpkins if it's not the smashing pumpkins.


let's reflect on what that name means.

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Mariner
11-04-2006, 12:32 PM
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11-04-2006, 12:34 PM
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11-04-2006, 12:36 PM
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11-04-2006, 12:40 PM
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Phoenix Down
11-04-2006, 12:43 PM
jesus, sp have reformed and are in the studio recording a fucking new album and still people are complaining

Mariner
11-04-2006, 12:44 PM
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rocksteady
11-04-2006, 12:47 PM
i was so happy to see that mariner was the most recent poster in this thread.

it would be like if page plant toured as led zeppelin without john paul jones.

Mariner
11-04-2006, 12:48 PM
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11-04-2006, 12:52 PM
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11-04-2006, 12:53 PM
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11-04-2006, 12:55 PM
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11-04-2006, 12:57 PM
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Averageprheight
11-04-2006, 12:57 PM
jesus, sp have reformed and are in the studio recording a fucking new album and still people are complaining

exactly

Den
11-04-2006, 12:58 PM
Great pictures Mariner, I hadn't seen a lot of those before. I want D'arcy's Blue velvet t-shirt. And Billy's jester hat of course.

Mariner
11-04-2006, 01:00 PM
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Mariner
11-04-2006, 01:02 PM
sp have reformed


unless those four people are all there, they have not. i don't care what billy calls it, if james and d'arcy aren't there, he's lying to us and he's lying to himself.

tensionhead
11-04-2006, 01:07 PM
i was so happy to see that mariner was the most recent poster in this thread.

it would be like if page plant toured as led zeppelin without john paul jones.

yeah! or the who!..........

i dunno, im just a little excited about some new music.

rocksteady
11-04-2006, 01:19 PM
yeah! or the who!..........

i dunno, im just a little excited about some new music.they are allowed to that because the other two guys are dead.

Fathoms (unadored)
11-04-2006, 01:23 PM
If they can make an album without Jimmy and call it the Smashing Pumpkins than they sure as hell can make one without James and D'arcy. It's not what I would prefer, but if the music is any good then I won't be losing sleep over it.

SpFission
11-04-2006, 01:57 PM
GAY

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11-04-2006, 02:08 PM
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It's like they switched clothes... counter-clockwise (if the clock were laying face up on the ground in between them). To put the clothes on the right person, move the clothes clockwise.
hrm

teh b0lly!!1
11-04-2006, 02:32 PM
It's like they switched clothes... counter-clockwise (if the clock were laying face up on the ground in between them). To put the clothes on the right person, move the clothes clockwise.
hrm

WHAT?!?!?

RenewRevive
11-04-2006, 02:41 PM
Mariner's point is well put and quite poignant, actually. Still, I haven't totally given up on at least James' involvement. Once the reunion was officially on it would have been better to announce their non-involvement as soon as possible, rather than letting frustration build amongst the fans. It is possible that as D'arcy wasn't with the band for the last phase, that BC and JC don't consider her involvement as crucial as some. D'arcy is a recluse, but JI would surely have have said something to the effect of "no, I'm not in" to some random journo or musician at some stage if, indeed he is a no-show.

smashing0
11-04-2006, 02:41 PM
these blogs from jimmy becoming increasingly frequent and informative seems as though they are carrying on without them. :erm: I am happy to say that the drums are finished
that's a lot more info then what we would know without the blog

firewoman
11-04-2006, 02:56 PM
im not discounting the possibility of james and d'arcy being back in, not just because thats what I'd really want. they're right, someone could've heard something from james right now...

If they're both not in though, and the new music would kick ass more than ever, I won't mind at all. II'm really excited about hearing the new material, more than anything else. Not that james and d'arcy had any highly distinct playing style (in my opinion), for me to feel that there really had been a loss, arrangement-wise.

In a more emo side though, I go with everything that Mariner said. Plus, d'arcy and james have always been eye candy for me. They make the band pretty :blush:

Mariner
11-04-2006, 03:00 PM
Mariner's point is well point and qiite poignant, actually. Still, I haven't totally given up on at least James' involvement. Once the reunion was officially on it would have been better to announce their non-involvement as soon as possible, rather than letting frustration build amongst the fans. It is possible that as D'arcy wasn't with the band for the last phase, that BC and JC don't consider her involvement as crucial as some. D'arcy is a recluse, but JI would surely have have said something to the effect of "no, I'm not in" to some random journo or musician at some stage if, indeed he is a no-show.


if push came to shove i might grudgingly find the use of the name acceptable if three of the original members were there. making a table stand on four legs is ideal, a tripod is alright, but beyond that it's fucked.

Katy Lied
11-04-2006, 03:13 PM
Mariner, all those pictures made me want to cry of what will never be again

firewoman
11-04-2006, 03:20 PM
Mariner, all those pictures made me want to cry of what will never be again

made me all nostalgic. I'm near into forgetting how beautiful they looked together

Esty
11-04-2006, 06:24 PM
it's now been roughly a year and four months since the chicago tribune ad and not even once has anyone so much as breathed a piece of substantial information regarding the involvement of darcy or james.

and now with these blogs from jimmy becoming increasingly frequent and informative seems as though they are carrying on without them. and i'm growing more and more annoyed by their decision to withhold this FUCKING SIMPLE PIECE OF INFORMATION for so long. If they tour and james is not there, I will proudly save my money for something better.


I've made this decision already. I just think James should be asked to come back. If he turns it down, then at least he was asked. Until I know that, I'm not going to give billy any more of my money.

DeadOpera
11-04-2006, 06:33 PM
mariner stop spamming old TSP pics. BC will always be compared to the pumpkins so might as well be called the pumpkins. he invited the other members back so what's the big deal? if they dont want back... fuck them

douglas78
11-04-2006, 08:04 PM
they're probably afraid negative hype about james or d'arcy's absence might incite a boycott amid the circle of the exceptionally devoted. they're stonewalling; who can blame them? they can't deliver.


this is what bolly and co. want you to think. he's weeding out the untrue.. :p

douglas78
11-04-2006, 08:08 PM
im not discounting the possibility of james and d'arcy being back in, not just because thats what I'd really want. they're right, someone could've heard something from james right now...



believe it or not, some things are better kept secret.

teh b0lly!!1
11-05-2006, 07:36 AM
if push came to shove i might grudgingly find the use of the name acceptable if three of the original members were there. making a table stand on four legs is ideal, a tripod is alright, but beyond that it's fucked.

best sp analogy ever.
whatever this new band is, its not going to be the smashing pumpkins.
it will be billy's second solo record, only that jimmy will make more guest appearances this time, and now billy wont try to sound like the opposite of his old band.

Mablak
11-05-2006, 07:38 AM
I've no doubt it will sound like the smashing pumpkins, that's all the name means to me

ChristHimself!
11-05-2006, 07:43 AM
It's like they switched clothes...

is that the first time you've seen that picture?

Hammerite
11-05-2006, 07:44 AM
i'm pretty sure that its more than billy and jimmy since they called it THE SMASHING PUMPKINS and not ZWAN or possibly JESUS'S HORNAY BITCHAZ

Mablak
11-05-2006, 07:45 AM
Jesus' Love Triangle

ChristHimself!
11-05-2006, 07:46 AM
JESUS'S HORNAY BITCHAZ

I know you're probably just trying to be funny here but I would have sued their fucking asses off for using my name in vain.

Channah
11-05-2006, 08:31 AM
i'm pretty sure that its more than billy and jimmy since they called it THE SMASHING PUMPKINS and not ZWAN or possibly JESUS'S HORNAY BITCHAZ
Billy was already calling it that before he had anyone on board. But I don't really care who's in the band beyond Billy and Jimmy. Yeah it'd be nice to have the others, but not essential. The 2 most important of the 4 members are in, and that's just about enough to call it SP imo. As far as I know, no-one really complained that it wasn't SP any more when D'arcy left, so imagine if the band had never broken up and was still going, but that in 2006 James decided to leave. That would have left only Billy and Jimmy of the original members, but I'm sure no-one would say it 'wasn't the Pumpkins'. Obviously, the situation is a bit different, but I don't see why they can't call themselves SP, and I'd be surprised if James or D'arcy gave a shit either way.

Tonight
11-05-2006, 08:45 AM
Mariner, I love the pics....it brings back alot, but would any of us want D'arcy and James back in the band if they were coming back without their hearts in it? I don't....

teh b0lly!!1
11-05-2006, 09:24 AM
I know you're probably just trying to be funny here but I would have sued their fucking asses off for using my name in vain.

go easy on the boy man, everyone deserves forgiveness http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/icons/icon11.gif

j u n e
11-05-2006, 01:10 PM
^ everyone... except billy corgan if he dicks you guys out of the original lineup..?

Rockin' Cherub
11-05-2006, 01:28 PM
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billy's eyes aren't entirely shut

Izzle
11-05-2006, 01:53 PM
billy's eyes aren't entirely shut

i think they are.

j u n e
11-05-2006, 02:23 PM
yeah. that's just the bags under his eyes playing tricks on you

Izzle
11-05-2006, 03:02 PM
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RenewRevive
11-05-2006, 03:28 PM
^

Hey! One of the statues is missing its' head!

Lobster
11-05-2006, 04:53 PM
Things change!

j u n e
11-05-2006, 05:02 PM
Hey! One of the statues is missing its' head!

that one represents post-surgery d'arcy.

Izzle
11-05-2006, 05:09 PM
that one represents post-surgery d'arcy.

i couldn't think of a good enough response to that

good job

Mablak
11-05-2006, 07:21 PM
Now that's my kind of surgery :D

Mariner
11-05-2006, 09:04 PM
mariner stop spamming old TSP pics. BC will always be compared to the pumpkins so might as well be called the pumpkins. he invited the other members back so what's the big deal? if they dont want back... fuck them

Mariner, I love the pics....it brings back alot, but would any of us want D'arcy and James back in the band if they were coming back without their hearts in it? I don't....


all of those pixels combine to form pictures that convey a message (that DeadOpera doesn't seem to see) that is far more meaningful than just the sum of their visual parts. in the same way those four people came together to form a creative family (albeit a dysfunctional one) that was far more potent and capable than any of those people on their own or in combinations with one or two of the others.

the band was at its strongest when the four members were at their most cohesive together. it was a very special creative union of people who each fit into each other like no one else could.

the band fell apart once and we gave it a chance as a trio because we knew that jimmy had been removed in order to save his life.

the band fell apart again and we gave it a second chance as a trio because we wanted desperately for the pumpkins to evade the stereotypical band story-arc, which it did not.

now billy is using the name of the band again, but there's a good chance that the thing will only have two of its original members, and the other two spots will be occupied with other people that will almost certainly not fit the same way with billy and jimmy as james and d'arcy did. that will not be the same band, and given what a distinctly special thing "the smashing pumpkins" was, it seems dishonest and desperate to give that name to a thing that will almost certainly not be distinct or special in the same ways, if at all.

"the smashing pumpkins" is not billy's creativity alone or influenced by any old fellow musician. "the smashing pumpkins" is billy's creativity bounced off, channeled through, and fed and shaped by his experience as a member of a creative family of four specific people whose shared experience as such a group (regardless of their direct involvement in, say, studio recording) cannot be replicated. if james and d'arcy's hearts are not in it, if they don't want back in, then no, deadopera, we don't say "fuck them!", we say, "the smashing pumpkins are dead, it's time to move on, and billy should have the courage emotionally and creatively to move beyond that without using as a crutch the name of a very special artistic achievement he was once a part of. to do otherwise would be dishonest to himself, to jimmy, to d'arcy and james, and to us, and any artistic and creative endeavors he makes for himself or for us under such pretenses would suffer from that dishonesty."

monkeyfritters
11-05-2006, 09:11 PM
hell yeah Mariner you hit it on the head!

Geek USA
11-05-2006, 09:13 PM
all those pictures made me pretty happy :)

Izzle
11-05-2006, 09:13 PM
mariner bringin' the smackdown.

neopryn
11-05-2006, 09:23 PM
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this is seriously badass

Izzle
11-05-2006, 09:32 PM
darcy looks so sixties. jimmy's fringe is frightful.

gisher
11-05-2006, 09:34 PM
If they can make an album without Jimmy and call it the Smashing Pumpkins than they sure as hell can make one without James and D'arcy. It's not what I would prefer, but if the music is any good then I won't be losing sleep over it.

Right on.

Netphorian Gadabout
11-05-2006, 09:36 PM
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Izzle
11-05-2006, 09:37 PM
the fun never stops.

ZeroStar Co.
11-05-2006, 11:27 PM
I don't care..

Billy and Jimmy can make a hell of a sound, but going to a live concert and see two strangers playing bass and guitar won't be cool...

If Billy says it just doesn't work without the others, I'm expecting that James is in, otherwise he would not come with the band again.

At this point, the sound is the less important thing, most is his attitude, specially live.

Looking forward to see

Katy Lied
11-05-2006, 11:34 PM
we should just call bill and ask him what's going on, i'm sure he'll tell us. anyone have his home number?

monkeyfritters
11-06-2006, 12:21 AM
Assuming that more than a few months still lie between now and the eventual release of "The Electric Space Heater"/Machina III/whatever... did Billy Corgan start the myspace blitz too early?

Won't the momentum be lost, especially given that we don't even know who is in the band? Personally, I'm getting annoyed.

Or, alternatively, does Billy's illustrious past of successful marketing hint at an imminent release/band member anouncement?

Thanks :netphoria

BumbleBeeMouth
11-06-2006, 01:08 AM
having read this interview

"RM: When was the last time you cried?
BC: [Sigh] Oh, um, actually it was pretty interesting, I went to a sort of spiritual retreat to Hawaii with some friends of mine. I felt sort of detached the first three or four days. About the fifth day something just wore down in me and I cried for about four days straight. The last time that I cried we were standing on this sort of mountaintop. It was the end of the whole retreat or whatever, we were holding hands, and my friend said something. She was sort of giving like a final end of the road kind of talk. Something she said out of the blue triggered this mourning about The Pumpkins, my band. That I had never really mourned the death of the band. [Near tears] You know, I treated it as like, this is something that must end [snaps fingers] and then we move on. Out of the blue this feeling hit me, and it was just devastating, cuz I'd never really properly mourned this thing that truly transformed my life. It's easy to kind of dismiss things, but that was a transformative experience and it just hit me. It was so crazy."


it makes me think that perhaps when he announced that he wanted his band back, it was more of an emotional response rather than a concerted effort to reform the band, i get the feeling he was gauging his audience as to whether they felt the same, and now he has decided to go through with it, regardless of the members. In his mind his band is more an emotional state than a collection of members.

Personally im interested to see how it will sound, i think james and billy complimented each other with their guitar sound and it will be a shame if he isnt in it.

tensionhead
11-06-2006, 01:17 AM
does bill actually pronounce it "cuz"?

SpaceDude
11-06-2006, 07:27 PM
As I said in a previous post, if Billy's writing the music, and the cd cover says "Smashing Pumpkins" on it, I'm happy. It'd be nice to have James and/or D'arcy back but I'm not gonna get all pissy over it if they aren't. I'm just gonna be happy and grateful for the new music.

truie7
11-06-2006, 11:06 PM
Plus, d'arcy and james have always been eye candy for me. They make the band pretty :blush:
Definitely.

lohengrin
11-07-2006, 12:44 AM
does anyone else think the band is better without jimmy? adore sounded FINE to me and jimmy is just so fucking ugly. ive always thought he is. he doesnt fit.

anyway billy's solo album is better than anything by the pumpkins. i dont know why he doesnt just make another and forget his old band. :p

lohengrin
11-07-2006, 12:46 AM
seriously, though, he went and printed that stupid ad and acted aloof towards james, how would he even go about asking him to join now? i dont think he has tried and just kept it a secret. it doesnt keep with the tone of that act of running the ad in the paper


love is over and jimmy is ugly

monkeyfritters
11-07-2006, 12:52 AM
kick out jimmy!

aomb1979
11-07-2006, 01:44 AM
does anyone else think the band is better without jimmy? adore sounded FINE to me and jimmy is just so fucking ugly. ive always thought he is. he doesnt fit.

anyway billy's solo album is better than anything by the pumpkins. i dont know why he doesnt just make another and forget his old band. :p

Post of the decade.

Bravo.

Encore.

The New
11-07-2006, 08:45 AM
if Billy's writing the music, and the cd cover says "Smashing Pumpkins" on it, I'm happy.

I'm just gonna be happy and grateful for the new music.

...well which is it?
If you'll just be happy to have new music, then it would seem the name on the cover wouldn't matter

For me, i'm looking forward to hearing new music from the 2 of them together, but if it's billy and jimmy +2 i don't like the idea of them going by the SP name
And i really hope (and find it hard to believe) that bill would bring back the name just so that he can freely play the back catalogue or/and not worry about sounding too similar to SP
At this point i'm giving him more credit than that and therefore thinking surely james is in...surely he would know better than to go by the SP name with only him and jimmy in...right?

Geek USA
11-07-2006, 08:54 AM
jimmy's fringe is frightful.


LOL.

Channah
11-07-2006, 08:59 AM
...well which is it?
If you'll just be happy to have new music, then it would seem the name on the cover wouldn't matter

For me, i'm looking forward to hearing new music from the 2 of them together, but if it's billy and jimmy +2 i don't like the idea of them going by the SP name
And i really hope (and find it hard to believe) that bill would bring back the name just so that he can freely play the back catalogue or/and not worry about sounding too similar to SP
At this point i'm giving him more credit than that and therefore thinking surely james is in...surely he would know better than to go by the SP name with only him and jimmy in...right?
I'm think he/she/it meant he's grateful for the new music because Billy is writing the songs and the cover will say Smashing Pumpkins.

I don't think Billy's bringing back the name just so he can play the back catalogue, though being able to sound like SP has a lot to do with it I imagine.

thomas_bland
11-07-2006, 09:01 AM
I wouldn't say that the band is better without Jimmy but I would certainly say that James and D'arcy's involvement is more important to me. Darcy's input in the band was a mediator Billy listened to her and valued her opinion, at one point anyhow. James is neccesary because he's the only other member with published writing credits. He's james Iha for fucks sake. I just hope Billy's not wearing a stupid fucking dress when they come back. He looked tragic on the Machina tour, and i'm generally pro-rockstars in dresses. Drop the god bullshit (or just keep it to yourself, turn up the guitars, and please no concept!

Channah
11-07-2006, 09:04 AM
Yeah, no dresses please.

The New
11-07-2006, 09:47 AM
I'm think he/she/it meant he's grateful for the new music because Billy is writing the songs and the cover will say Smashing Pumpkins.


Thank you, come again

RenewRevive
11-07-2006, 11:58 AM
Wow. This is one heckuva embittered thread and no mistake.

SpaceDude
11-07-2006, 01:10 PM
I'm think he/she/it meant he's grateful for the new music because Billy is writing the songs and the cover will say Smashing Pumpkins.

I don't think Billy's bringing back the name just so he can play the back catalogue, though being able to sound like SP has a lot to do with it I imagine.

Thank You, thats exactly what I was trying to say.

SpaceDude
11-07-2006, 01:11 PM
Oh Yeah, I am a he by the way.