Who has a feeling the new TSP album is going to suck and all this hype was for purely nothing

by the way that was my 666 post...a mere fraction of hope for anything that Billy does next down the drains

What if all the hype is that it will suck?

or maybe.. it will rock and shut everyone up?

It will rock.

Go away dead.

It will rock.

The man said TSP, not 'SP2'

It will suck.

I'm gonna say the same thing as I did in all other 3581 threads about this:
It will sound like Machina 2

I'm gonna say the same thing as I did in all other 3581 threads about this:
It will sound like Machina 2


you heard it first here folks, and 3581 posts ago....he called it

when it ends up sounding like machina 2 we will be WORSHIPING you.

you heard it first here folks, and 3581 posts ago....he called it
Touche ;)

The problem with Machina 1/2 is that it was supposed to be a concept album. That didn't really work when one was released months after the other.

It will rock.

very very correct. :smoke:

it wont be like machina 2.
it will rock.

i imagine it will sound like something that can be roughly described as "light-metal"

"light-metal"


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enlightened metal

all the worlds a ticking time bomb, but what's that gonna do to the stage?

tick tock...time to ROCK!!! the major players are hidden, some soldiers are even down, but the war goes on and decisions have to be made. NOW! or at least until retrograde is done done (the 12th i hear).

anyway, how bout a heavy liquid sound? tick...tock...tick...

all the worlds a ticking time bomb, but what's that gonna do to the stage?

tick tock...time to ROCK!!! the major players are hidden, some soldiers are even down, but the war goes on and decisions have to be made. NOW! or at least until retrograde is done done (the 12th i hear).

anyway...how bout a heavy liquid sound? tick...tock...tick...

who, or what, the fuck, are you.

If The Future Embrace is any indication of where Billy Corgan is heading musically, it's going to be mediocre.

Izzle,

im the guy who was channel surfing and came upon Bill Macy on Jay Leno the other night. They showed a clip of his new film, in it, his character muses on about life to a young lady, "Im 47 years old and I've lost out on a lot of oppurtunities, because I was fearful or scared or didn't understand." The girl was attentive to this show of epiphany: "You know what the secret to life is?" he says, "the secret to life...Is to live."

so that's what im doing.

all the worlds a ticking time bomb, but what's that gonna do to the stage?

tick tock...time to ROCK!!! the major players are hidden, some soldiers are even down, but the war goes on and decisions have to be made. NOW! or at least until retrograde is done done (the 12th i hear).

anyway, how bout a heavy liquid sound? tick...tock...tick...
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didn billy say something about making music that parents wont like?

nahh...

If Lucifer himself stood in front of me, I'd ask him why he wants that other 1/3 and that so long as Im here on this planet, he aint gonna get it.

so, something like Crystal Meth doesnt interest me, because, that's Lucifer's greatest weapon to date yo...

eeeeyup.

who, or what, the fuck, are you.

He hangs out with Venis

The Billy says it will be metal, or atleast some of it.

"Next time we see me around here, I'll be crushing you into the dust with metal"

If The Future Embrace is any indication of where Billy Corgan is heading musically, it's going to be mediocre.
All things change.

i imagine it will sound like something that can be roughly described as "light-metal"
def leppard

The Billy says it will be metal, or atleast some of it.

"Next time we see me around here, I'll be crushing you into the dust with metal"
The Billy says a lot of things.

Who has a feeling the new TSP album is going to suck and all this hype was for purely nothing
Aye.

The Billy also says that he will make all of our dreams come true.

The Billy also says that he will make all of our dreams come true.

billy's gonna get me a PONY!!

napoleon said - via pedro - he would make all of our dreams come true.

he'll start a new genre called suckrock

A.F.I. started that 10 years ago.

It's going to rock for everyone who is optimistic about it and its going to suck for everyone who is already thinking negatively of it despite the fact that none of us have heard anything to judge. Then... after it has been around long enough... more and more people will enjoy it with time. Isn't that the trend?

personally, the more optimistic i've been about corgan-related music in the past seven years or so, the more disappointed i've been afterwards

machina: okay album, but failed to live up to the promise of the arising! shows
msots: mediocre album, massive disappointment after zwan's initial shows. i was expecting better than machina
tfe: wasn't expecting much after msots, but i still had some hope. shat on again, it seems

it will be new nu-mteal

personally, the more optimistic i've been about corgan-related music in the past seven years or so, the more disappointed i've been afterwards

machina: okay album, but failed to live up to the promise of the arising! shows
msots: mediocre album, massive disappointment after zwan's initial shows. i was expecting better than machina
tfe: wasn't expecting much after msots, but i still had some hope. shat on again, it seems


This is not an attack or a smart ass remark but... if Billy has been disapointing you since 2000 why do you stay so interested? and do you fall in the camp that thinks Billy will never do anything kick ass again?

I myself kind of fall into the camp of thinking the man can do no wrong. case you wondered.

It's going to rock for everyone who is optimistic about it and its going to suck for everyone who is already thinking negatively of it despite the fact that none of us have heard anything to judge. Then... after it has been around long enough... more and more people will enjoy it with time. Isn't that the trend?

You can still be optimistic about it and end up disappointed with it upon listening. That's pretty much been the trend for some years now.

This is not an attack or a smart ass remark but... if Billy has been disapointing you since 2000 why do you stay so interested? and do you fall in the camp that thinks Billy will never do anything kick ass again?

I myself kind of fall into the camp of thinking the man can do no wrong. case you wondered.
because i know what he's capable of. even msots and tfe had their moments

i don't know whether or not he'll do anything kick ass again. i don't really have any expectations either way

You can still be optimistic about it and end up disappointed with it upon listening. That's pretty much been the trend for some years now.

I hear what your saying. But there is also a big trend of a lot of people totally hating the stuff for the first few months and then as time passes you hear positive things about it on the board. TFE is having that now. It happend with adore and machina big time. MSOTS is still the biggest divide I'd say. But yeah... everyone's got a individual take on it too. Just my thought on a broad level of the boards as a whole. It's the same old conversation.

i haven't noticed any gradual trend towards most people liking tfe

it's really just isle going on about it incessantly

This is not an attack or a smart ass remark but... if Billy has been disapointing you since 2000 why do you stay so interested? and do you fall in the camp that thinks Billy will never do anything kick ass again?

I myself kind of fall into the camp of thinking the man can do no wrong. case you wondered.
i've never understood this whole billy can do no wrong thing. the bad songs make the good ones even better and more appreciated. do you not have any sort of personal preferences beyond whatever corgan dishes out for you?
i think some people stay interested because they really liked sp in their youth and it meant alot to them etc... so they are naturally curious as to what will happen next even if they've outgrown it or just don't like it as much anymore. or maybe thats just me.

i think some people stay interested because they really liked sp in their youth and it meant alot to them etc... so they are naturally curious as to what will happen next even if they've outgrown it or just don't like it as much anymore.


this is pretty accurate regarding my own circumstances.

I guess I grew up with it and that plays a big role. It's not that I think Billy is consistantly kick ass. But he is because he is Billy Corgan and its the whole story and novelty of his music. It's been fun to watch and I happen to really enjoy all the music.

i've never understood this whole billy can do no wrong thing. the bad songs make the good ones even better and more appreciated.
what bad songs

don't answer that.

I guess I grew up with it and that plays a big role. It's not that I think Billy is consistantly kick ass. But he is because he is Billy Corgan and its the whole story and novelty of his music. It's been fun to watch and I happen to really enjoy all the music.


just sit back and enjoy the show :smoke:

why are people saying their is "hype" for this album? christ there has been nothing on the radio, nothing on the news, nothing on their website, no press releases, and not one peep out of the band members. I found it SO strange that Billy is not making a big deal out of this. So I'm guessing he doesn't want a lot of hype when it finally comes out and sucks. Then he can say "well i never said to get your hopes up"

I think the album is going to sound something like the heavier songs off of MCIS but with slightly different production. Remember Jimmy saying if they'd kept going before that Jellybelly might be a good idea of the sort of sound they'd go onto next. I think he'll want the music to sound like the old pumpkins but slightly different at the same time. Then if its a success he can move off into a more different/experimental direction.

Billy isn't a complete idiot and hes perfectly capable of writing and recording good music. He knows this album needs to be a success to shut up all the critics and naysayers. I'm also sure hes listened to many of the criticisms of his last 3 albums was the production and will this time try to recapture what made the production of the pumpkins albums prior to Machina so great.

I don't know why so many people seem to be convinced the new album will sound like Machina 2, since when have any of the pumpkins albums been THAT similar to their previous one, especially now that its been 7 years since Machina was recorded.

You make some good points.

best scenario i think is a combination of the complex, tfe, zwan(s), mix in some sp aggression. but sadly i think it'll be too one-sided whatever it is.

upon further review:

Machina: deeeeeeeeeeeeep album. TTTTTTHHHHHIIIIIIIIICK!!! Man, on the rare times i've listened to it since the era I don't how I listened to it from beginning to end so many times. That album is an intense spiritual journey to listen to 1-15...

that Zwan album: ummmmm...: P the MSOTS song, great stuff there. I like some other stuff, but perhaps the zoological term of the band should be "mojohojo interupptus"

The Future Embrace: back to being beautiful, artful in perhaps his most free moment in many ways. personal fave is Now and Then, i love a few others and The Camera Eye is the most impressive song on that album I think. It's got a groove that just groooooves into ethereal awareness and there's some kind of cryptic lyrical thing going on that, quite honestly, i've yet to decipher completely...what's the point? That song really does kick ass.

Man, on the rare times i've listened to it since the era I don't how I listened to it from beginning to end so many times.
for once i think you'll find many people agreeing with you.

but, everyone should agree with me all the time. how can I make this happen someday.




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upon further review:


that Zwan album: but perhaps the zoological term of the band should be "mojohojo interupptus"




zing. sweet burn.

I see Taurus as Izzle in 5 years time.

all the worlds a ticking time bomb, but what's that gonna do to the stage?

tick tock...time to ROCK!!! the major players are hidden, some soldiers are even down, but the war goes on and decisions have to be made. NOW! or at least until retrograde is done done (the 12th i hear).

anyway, how bout a heavy liquid sound? tick...tock...tick...


Netphoria's version of tristan and tristessa

Isolde is going to be pissed.

if you were ever on the o' board you'd know what I'm talking about lol

I see Taurus as Izzle in 5 years time.
i can't tell who's the before and who's the after with the way you've worded this scenario.

Taurus can't turn out to be Izzle.
My predictions would have been wrong

i can't tell who's the before and who's the after with the way you've worded this scenario.

Let me rephrase; Izzle's posts, in 5 years time, will read like Taurus' do just now.

then we concur.

I think the album is going to sound something like the heavier songs off of MCIS but with slightly different production.
oh please for zoroaster's sake no

if billy intends to play metal then he better get a real guitarist because he blows

maybe he should hire the two guys from judas priest and just sing and wear metal studded leather accessories

Stop it you fools, this album isn't going to "sound like" this or that. It's just gonna be. Whether it be shite or it be real to you, you're gonna have to be the judge. It ain't gonna be Billy competing for your ears to get you to listen to SD or MCIS take II.

Stop it you fools, this album isn't going to "sound like" this or that. It's just gonna be. Whether it be shite or it be real to you, you're gonna have to be the judge. It ain't gonna be Billy competing for your ears to get you to listen to SD or MCIS take II.


No way!

Who has a feeling the new TSP album is going to suck and all this hype was for purely nothing

Not me buddy! I have faith in Billy because he hasn't let me down yet. I focus on the positive and stay away from the negativity. Some of you guys should do the same. The album will be another good solid effort and it will ROCK! I don't give a shit how popular it will be, but it will be good music. Billy ALWAYS makes good music!

if billy intends to play metal then he better get a real guitarist because he blows

maybe he should hire the two guys from judas priest and just sing and wear metal studded leather accessories

Bullshit! He is a good guitarist!!! That is a bunch of shit! He is definitely one of the best frontman guitarists out there.....no doubt! Stop rippin on Billy for nothing, once again......

good guitarist? come 'on...

i know some impressive guitarist and when talking shop about Billy's playing it's "well he's hands are big and he can do things with the reach of his fingers on the neck that most players just can't." the intro to Pug is one example i've heard cited.

Which I guess means he can think different than most on the instrument. Like, the difference between a basketball player who has a 25'' vertical leap and one with a 42'' vertical...might be playing the same sport but not the same game.

The problem with Machina 1/2 is that it was supposed to be a concept album.

omg i don't have that album machina 1/2 is it rare?!!

Not if you know the right people. And kiss their ass.

No, Corgan is a good guitarist. I do not understand people who discredit Corgan and then name people like Zak Wylde as an example of a "really great guitarist" (I have seen several people do this here). If your definition of a good guitarist is one who is mind numbingly generic and boring and just does what a hundred guys before him have done, than yes, Zak Wylde is the greatest fucking guitarist on the planet.

Corgan is one of the most original and innovative guitarists in alternative music, he can hold his own against anyone in terms of how interesting his work his. Technical skill and ability to follow the rules does not equal the best guitarist. Corgan has always been able to come up with interesting and emotionally charged guitar work. He is a terrific guitarist.

I wish I could delete this, but I can't...

No, Corgan is a good guitarist. I do not understand people who discredit Corgan and then name people like Zak Wylde as an example of a "really great guitarist" (I have seen several people do this here). If your definition of a good guitarist is one who is mind numbingly generic and boring and just does what a hundred guys before him have done, than yes, Zak Wylde is the greatest fucking guitarist on the planet.

Corgan is one of the most original and innovative guitarists in alternative music, he can hold his own against anyone in terms of how interesting his work his. Technical skill and ability to follow the rules does not equal the best guitarist. Corgan has always been able to come up with interesting and emotionally charged guitar work. He is a terrific guitarist.

:noway: Fuck off. He writes good songs but in my opinion people like Frank Zappa/ Hendrix and so on, are great guitar players. Not b0lly

No, Corgan is a good guitarist. I do not understand people who discredit Corgan and then name people like Zak Wylde as an example of a "really great guitarist" (I have seen several people do this here). If your definition of a good guitarist is one who is mind numbingly generic and boring and just does what a hundred guys before him have done, than yes, Zak Wylde is the greatest fucking guitarist on the planet.

Corgan is one of the most original and innovative guitarists in alternative music, he can hold his own against anyone in terms of how interesting his work his. Technical skill and ability to follow the rules does not equal the best guitarist. Corgan has always been able to come up with interesting and emotionally charged guitar work. He is a terrific guitarist.
Indeed...

I like Corgan because he's so very creative and spontaneous. No one gave Hendirx shit for being that way. And I know Corgan is not Hendrix, but I'm just sayin'.

:noway: Fuck off. He writes good songs but in my opinion people like Frank Zappa/ Hendrix and so on, are great guitar players. Not b0lly

I did not say that Corgan was a God of the instrument, Hendrix and Zappa are two of the best guitar players to ever live. This does not discredit Corgan in any way. He's still a good solid player who is better than 95% of players, all things considered.

:)

Who has a feeling the new TSP album is going to suck and all this hype was for purely nothing

What hype? Let me see:

1. Virtually no word from the band.

2. Nobody knows who they'll be anyway.

3. No big build-up from the label.

4. Over a year of nothing definite.

5. No huge anticipatory reaction from the fanbase.

6. Not even a leaked song! Yet...

i say it's gonna sound like gish. it's pure mathematics.

id say it will be 12 versions of jellybelly...just with a different lineup of bandmembers for each version

id say it will be 12 versions of jellybelly...just with a different lineup of bandmembers for each version

That would be great :erm:

One thing i don't mind is touting bcorg for his guitar skills... he is pretty fucking awesome live when he wants to be.

Frank Zappa plays really weird guitar in arrangements that is musical masterbation, and not much else.

there's no comparing Corgan and Zappa because to say Zappa is so great is to immediately overrate the guy. He was a heck of a maestro in those big bands he jammed with but his reputation as an uber-guitarist is largely built on Primus-like fans that likes music no one else does.

when the Pumpkins first hit the scene the one guitarist he reminded people of was Jimi Hendrix. Aggressive fuzz solo's had become outdated and Billy brought it back with a fresh feel combined with stronger songwriting and artistic vision than either Hendrix or Zappa.