is there any reason other than blind hope to lead you to believe that it will be better?

machina, which sucks, is way better than mary star of the sea, which is better than tfe.. in 5 years, the only sign of life from this guy was some acoustic songs that he thinks we're too unsophisticated to appreciate, nevermind the fact that sufjan blows his ass out of the water and we're somehow able to appreciate that..

my main point is this: bill <b>may</b> be able to create cool music, but that's not the music he releases.

bill's releases have gotten worse and worse, what on earth would make him suddenly put out something good? its not like jimmy, as awesome as he is, has the power to make bill not suck.

i lay this stake firmly in the ground: new sp will totally suck

i hope he makes me eat my words, but i'd be shocked if that ever happened. the last half decade has been a progression from ok but not amazing to dumb to bad to pathetic, embarassing, and shameful.




















p.s. fuck you bill!!! you totally suck you jerkoff. why don't you write another slanderous confessional trying to sell a wankoff session masquerading as an album, you lousy old goon!!

When I was younger I thought the pumpkins had gone from awesome to crappy from MCIS to Machina. I realized the best music doesn't sound that incredible the first time you hear it, but it stays gold forever like Ponyboy after thorough listening.

i liked machina when it came out, i liked tfe when it came out.. i guess im an anomaly.

I disagree with everything you said.

you guys still give a shit about SP?

you guys still give a shit about SP?


I think he just wants attention

But on post-pumpkins releases, wasn't Billy actively trying to make music completely removed from the Smashing Pumpkin's aesthetic?

I think if he goes back to a pumpkin's mindset, we might be pleasantly surprised.

also I've always liked Machina I & II. Obviously the Machina era doesn't stand up to previous efforts, but I have never understood the ridicule they recieve.

Great post J. Bill only cares about selling records. Thats why he needs the pumpkin name.

I disagree with everything you said.


so you don't think jimmy is awesome? asshole

but I have never understood the ridicule they recieve.

I think it comes from the whole "mystery" part of the album.

I think it comes from the whole "mystery" part of the album.

You have a point. Billy can be pretty frustrating sometimes. I am a younger fan though, so I missed out on the "mystery".

I got into the Smashing Pumpkins in 7th grade, only to find out that they had broken up the previous year. It was very sad.

the new SP will rule. and james and darcy will come back. and if anyone is too blind to see that, well...you're blind. it's all in the plan, it always has been. billy is a necessarily spectacular liar. he's the musical wizard of oz and you are all pawns in his mighty game.

2007.

Great post J. Bill only cares about selling records. Thats why he needs the pumpkin name.
Bingo

it could be 45 mins of billy farting on a snare drum and it would be better than machina
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How long has this whole "2007" thing been circulating? I remember hearing rumors about a 2007 return several years ago.

about 12 years

Great post J. Bill only cares about selling records. Thats why he needs the pumpkin name.

I think if Billy was 100% concerned with making money, he wouldn't consistently turn down big offers for Smashing Pumpkin's songs in commercials.

How long has this whole "2007" thing been circulating? I remember hearing rumors about a 2007 return several years ago.


When Pisces Iscariot came out in 1994, when davin first started posting on netphoria.

I think if Billy was 100% concerned with making money, he wouldn't consistently turn down big offers for Smashing Pumpkin's songs in commercials.
He's savvy enough to know that would cost him the meager fanbase he's still got left

When Pisces Iscariot came out in 1994, when davin first started posting on netphoria.
ah, the dawn of history. it's too bad we'll never know for sure if davin came before or after the birth of space-time, 'cause it was back in the day

I think if Billy was 100% concerned with making money, he wouldn't consistently turn down big offers for Smashing Pumpkin's songs in commercials.


Where did you hear this?

How long has this whole "2007" thing been circulating? I remember hearing rumors about a 2007 return several years ago.


billy wrote "2007" at the end of the liner notes in pisces iscariot. he of course claims that there was no reason for it, but i think its pretty blatant that he has more or less masterplanned the entire career of the band from the start. i know conspiracy theorists always sound like idiots, but i have every confidence in this speculation. billy is not some average poet/musician who takes life one day at a time, and only thinks about his next project when his last one is completed. he is...special, more than one can easily comprehend.

so you don't think jimmy is awesome? asshole

Touche.

I remember reading an interview with billy on billy-corgan.com a while back where he ranted about the state of the music industry and coporate bull shit. The site is almost completely shut down now, so I can't provide a link. I'll see if I can find one.

billy wrote "2007" at the end of the liner notes in pisces iscariot. he of course claims that there was no reason for it, but i think its pretty blatant that he has more or less masterplanned the entire career of the band from the start. i know conspiracy theorists always sound like idiots, but i have every confidence in this speculation. billy is not some average poet/musician who takes life one day at a time, and only thinks about his next project when his last one is completed. he is...special, more than one can easily comprehend.


Sayin things like dat getcha locked up in da crazy house.

He's savvy enough to know that would cost him the meager fanbase he's still got left

I honestly don't think his fanbase is as small as most people on here claim. They are still played frequently on area radio stations and I know plently of people who consider themselves fans. They are less "hardcore" fans now, but that is to be expected. When the Pumpkins return I completely expect people to interested and supportive. Unless, worst case scenario, the album is going to be as bad as all the naysayers on this board claim it will be.

Where did you hear this?

Hardly the ideal dance partner, Hummer has been turned down or stood up by everybody from long-defunct post-punkers LiLiPUT (offered 50 grand for "Heidi's Head", according to the AP), to big names Talking Heads and Smashing Pumpkins, to recent indie bands like Four Tet, Caribou, and the Soledad Brothers. Bummer for Hummer, big bonus for your karma payment plan, kiddies.

Hummer wants Music (http://pitchforkmedia.com/news/06-03/13.shtml)

i think something to consider is that the pumpkins seriously needed a break. sometimes a guy's gotta get away from the usual routine in order to keep the quality coming. i trust that billy wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't something special. i can see why people would think this is lame, but i'm actually very excited to see what comes next. if the album isn't A+ material, than i won't be too perturbed because i know they have the absolute potential to kick ass live.

I remember reading an interview with billy on billy-corgan.com a while back where he ranted about the state of the music industry and coporate bull shit. The site is almost completely shut down now, so I can't provide a link. I'll see if I can find one.
the one with the talk of mrs. osbourne and her precious ozzy juice? if so, i still really want to see this.
YSI anyone???

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I believe in you Billy. :)

the one with the talk of mrs. osbourne and her precious ozzy juice? if so, i still really want to see this.
YSI anyone???

http://download.yousendit.com/7A842621054EFAEE (http://www.hai2u.com/)

http://download.yousendit.com/7A842621054EFAEE (http://www.hai2u.com/)
jesus nimrod, better ban gaddrow before he bans you

The new album has to be better than Machina. I think Machina 2 was better than Machina. Billy himself admitted that many people he spoke to said they liked Machina 2 better than the original. Zwan had a lot of good songs, just not on the album. Billy solo had a few good songs. Who knows how many others he wrote. I don't understand Billy's thought process. He writes tons of songs yet he puts some of the bad ones on albums.

I don't know what to expect from new SP. I think Jimmy was still testing the waters through Machina/Zwan because he was just readmitted to the band. Now I think he will tell Billy straight up if something is shit or doesn't mesh with the album. At least I hope. Billy still has the potential to write awesome songs, there is no denying that. It's just a matter of getting his head out of his ass and stop being such a cryptic faggot.

i think something to consider is that the pumpkins seriously needed a break. sometimes a guy's gotta get away from the usual routine in order to keep the quality coming. i trust that billy wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't something special. i can see why people would think this is lame, but i'm actually very excited to see what comes next. if the album isn't A+ material, than i won't be too perturbed because i know they have the absolute potential to kick ass live.

An album is only as good as the number of people who buy it. You can throw all your indie "its all bout the musik!!" shit at me all you want, but in the end that's all that counts.

Billy and Jimmy really should look at just shelving this whole thing once and for all. The main problem is that Billy needs to be 39 years old now and not be 18 anymore. He has some kind of social/psychological disorder that you would see in someone who is less than half his age. He needs to start building relationships instead of bashing his old friends on the internet, he needs to find a companion that he can grow with and possibly have children with, and he needs to find a passion for something that he can do until retirement, instead of doing these little projects that he gets tired of after a short period of time or half-asses. You know, he basically needs to figure out that its not 1988 anymore and wont ever be again.

And likewise for Jimmy. He has a young daughter and wife in chicago, and eventually another one on the way. And his time would be better spent raising his family than spending his time in Phoenix or LA or wherever it is they're working on this thing.

James and Darcy are the only ones smart enough to understand that even with a full reunion, the band would be stuck in small clubs or auditoriums and would never have a chance to grow its fan base again. Why? Because going back to the beginning of rock n roll, the biggest bands have always had the support of the teenage fanbase that buys the records and goes to all the concerts. And maybe no one here pays attention, but that huge segment of the population today isnt listening to 40 year old folks play machina-like music, they're listening to Death Cab for Cutie, all american rejects, the killers, 50 cent, kelly clarkson, shakira, and the like. And unless the Pumpkins can draw 20,000 a night in large arenas like they did '94-'97 and a few '98 shows, then I dont think James and Darcy want to put all that effort into this, and they shouldn't.

It's stupid to waste a whole year or two or several of your life putting together albums that might make some people here at netphoria feel good about themselves, but everyone else in this world has moved on to bigger and better things.

I'm really sorry and feel really sad for Billy, Jimmy, and all the people here who disagree with me who are and continue to be stuck at 18 years of age.

He put the wrong material on the Zwan CD, Djali Zwan never made it and he picked the wrong single for TFE. There was nothing redeeming about the poetry.

I *think* he may be tired of making shitty choices. SP2 will be good if Billy knows how much he's been sucking lately. I think he has an idea... but otherwise! :erm:

i liked machina and tfe!

why would anyone in their right mind think that james and d'arcy are more interested in playing large arenas than small clubs ?

Billy and Jimmy really should look at just shelving this whole thing once and for all. The main problem is that Billy needs to be 39 years old now and not be 18 anymore. He has some kind of social/psychological disorder that you would see in someone who is less than half his age.


James and Darcy are the only ones smart enough to understand that even with a full reunion, the band would be stuck in small clubs or auditoriums and would never have a chance to grow its fan base again. Why? Because going back to the beginning of rock n roll, the biggest bands have always had the support of the teenage fanbase that buys the records and goes to all the concerts.

It's stupid to waste a whole year or two or several of your life putting together albums that might make some people here at netphoria feel good about themselves, but everyone else in this world has moved on to bigger and better things.

I'm really sorry and feel really sad for Billy, Jimmy, and all the people here who disagree with me who are and continue to be stuck at 18 years of age.



Maybe...........you should move on to a different website! All you pathetic bastards that constantly rip the band and Billy's choices aren't really fans at all.
I've never run into anything more sorry than the negative posters on this website. I mean, it's sad that you're here, floating around this site, moving from post to post for no fucking reason except to bash this fantastic band! Machina totally fucking rocked! Stand Inside Your Love, I Of the Mourning, Try Try Try, all of these songs kick the shit out of anything on the radio since this album was released. Did you listen to the album? Do you have an open mind? Are your opinions predetermined by what you "think" an album is going to be like before it is released? It's one thing to have opinions about the band and their albums, but to say this album sucked and to tell Billy to fuck off are totally irrational, immature thoughts.

Everybody makes tough choices in life that turn out to be dissillusioned or incorrect in hindsight, including Billy and all of us. But can you fault the guy for trying to come up with something new and inventive, while at the same time carrying the torch of one of the greatest bands OF ALL TIME?

All 5 major releases were terrific in their own way and it takes a real fan to find the eminent idiosyncracies and perfection in all of them.

This site is filled with a bunch of useless, negative shitbags that deserve nothing more than a kick in the fucking ass.

just who's going to lead this exodus of biblical proportions?

It's stupid to waste a whole year or two or several of your life putting together albums that might make some people here at netphoria feel good about themselves, but everyone else in this world has moved on to bigger and better things.

well, James and D'arcy haven't (to my knowledge) moved on to bigger and better things. collagen and APC? ...so you cant be referring to them. Then, out of pure curiosity, what is it that you do - that is bigger and better?

is there any reason other than blind hope to lead you to believe that it will be better?

machina, which sucks, is way better than mary star of the sea, which is better than tfe.. in 5 years, the only sign of life from this guy was some acoustic songs that he thinks we're too unsophisticated to appreciate, nevermind the fact that sufjan blows his ass out of the water and we're somehow able to appreciate that..

my main point is this: bill <b>may</b> be able to create cool music, but that's not the music he releases.

bill's releases have gotten worse and worse, what on earth would make him suddenly put out something good? its not like jimmy, as awesome as he is, has the power to make bill not suck.

i lay this stake firmly in the ground: new sp will totally suck

i hope he makes me eat my words, but i'd be shocked if that ever happened. the last half decade has been a progression from ok but not amazing to dumb to bad to pathetic, embarassing, and shameful.




















p.s. fuck you bill!!! you totally suck you jerkoff. why don't you write another slanderous confessional trying to sell a wankoff session masquerading as an album, you lousy old goon!!


Mary Star of the Sea does not suck at all! It was one of Corgan's best albums, with one of his best songs ever!!!!! Hater!!

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Anyways....Machina was an awesome album! Even SP fans can't appreciate Billys great music. HOw sad!!!

yeah, maybe it is blind hope. I believe it might (and that's a big might) work simply for the fact that he can and still does make great music. Hopefully, when he's back in a comfortable spot, he'll be able to set his sights straight or what have you and get back to making a good, solid set of songs (and hey, maybe he'll even put them on the album for once) as opposed to releasing "any kind of music as long as it's different and not the smashing pumpkins".

Anyways....Machina was an awesome album! Even SP fans can't appreciate Billys great music. HOw sad!!!
I'd rather have paid $15 for a cd case full of Billy's feces

Wait, I did

you should have gotten the cd instead, it's fantastic! hOw sad!!!

I just hope he doesnt produce it, or get someone other than flood. I think that might save it.

Why does eveyone here suckle at floods dick? The production on machina sucks balls and mellcollies' production was nothing special either. I think Butch Vig did a better job with the pumpkins.

like, yeah.

Hmm, with a few of the SP albums such as Adore and Machina I think it will take time to appreciate them. It took a while for me to 'get' Machina, but it was a pretty rewarding experience as for a while every time I listened to it I would hear something new... It's a great album. The same applies to Adore, which was the way I got into SP.

TFE was not impressive on first listen, and neither where zwan. But by listening to them 1000's of times I brainwashed myself into thinking they where amazing. YOu will do this with the new SP album.

Why does eveyone here suckle at floods dick? The production on machina sucks balls and mellcollies' production was nothing special either. I think Butch Vig did a better job with the pumpkins.
Vig has plenty of sucklers. plenty of people who feel the same as you about Flood. i'm a Flood suckler, myself, and proud to be one.

Personally, I would hate to see them in an arena/colliseum.

shows in small clubs are always better. they are so much more intimate and you can actually see the band.

Maybe...........you should move on to a different website! All you pathetic bastards that constantly rip the band and Billy's choices aren't really fans at all.
I've never run into anything more sorry than the negative posters on this website. I mean, it's sad that you're here, floating around this site, moving from post to post for no fucking reason except to bash this fantastic band! Machina totally fucking rocked! Stand Inside Your Love, I Of the Mourning, Try Try Try, all of these songs kick the shit out of anything on the radio since this album was released. Did you listen to the album? Do you have an open mind? Are your opinions predetermined by what you "think" an album is going to be like before it is released? It's one thing to have opinions about the band and their albums, but to say this album sucked and to tell Billy to fuck off are totally irrational, immature thoughts.

Everybody makes tough choices in life that turn out to be dissillusioned or incorrect in hindsight, including Billy and all of us. But can you fault the guy for trying to come up with something new and inventive, while at the same time carrying the torch of one of the greatest bands OF ALL TIME?

All 5 major releases were terrific in their own way and it takes a real fan to find the eminent idiosyncracies and perfection in all of them.

This site is filled with a bunch of useless, negative shitbags that deserve nothing more than a kick in the fucking ass.


What's so new and inventive about reuniting a band that hasnt played together for years? Dozens of rock bands have done it over the years, until they realized that their fans weren't in high school anymore and didnt spend 12 hours a days smoking pot, listening to music, and going to all the concerts in the area.

Who's being negative here? There's nothing negative about putting this band to rest and moving on to more productive things. That's a positive thing. At this point I'd much rather read a 400+ page novel from Billy (that he can't work on now) than listen to or watch a reunited SP.

well, James and D'arcy haven't (to my knowledge) moved on to bigger and better things. collagen and APC? ...so you cant be referring to them. Then, out of pure curiosity, what is it that you do - that is bigger and better?

Why are you basing "bigger and better things" on what they've done in their careers. I'm sure they've got alot more stuff going on now that doesnt involve work, it's possible that Darcy could be married and have kids now and live in Utah. You have no clue. And this isn't about me, this is about the band and the members in it. I'm not bigger than the band.

I agree, achievements are all relative.

Personally, I would hate to see them in an arena/colliseum.

shows in small clubs are always better. they are so much more intimate and you can actually see the band.


Who the hell wants to go to a small club to watch the smashing pumpkins? If i'm going to a small club i'm going there to eat nachos and drink beer, not listen to music. It's been pretty clear cut going back to like the 1920's that any band's goal is always to play in a large arena atmosphere first and foremost. Any band that plays small clubs and says they're doing it for the intimacy is pulling one over on you. They're doing it because they either are just starting out and arent well-known yet, or they just cant draw the huge following that they want or once had.

If SP ends up playing small clubs the next few years it won't be because they want to, it's because their promoters have told them that their fanbase just ain't what it used to be and there's no getting it back without a miracle.

yeah, maybe it is blind hope. I believe it might (and that's a big might) work simply for the fact that he can and still does make great music. Hopefully, when he's back in a comfortable spot, he'll be able to set his sights straight or what have you and get back to making a good, solid set of songs (and hey, maybe he'll even put them on the album for once) as opposed to releasing "any kind of music as long as it's different and not the smashing pumpkins".

Hopefully music like TFE is out of Billy's system by now.

Who the hell wants to go to a small club to watch the smashing pumpkins? If i'm going to a small club i'm going there to eat nachos and drink beer, not listen to music. It's been pretty clear cut going back to like the 1920's that any band's goal is always to play in a large arena atmosphere first and foremost. Any band that plays small clubs and says they're doing it for the intimacy is pulling one over on you. They're doing it because they either are just starting out and arent well-known yet, or they just cant draw the huge following that they want or once had.

If SP ends up playing small clubs the next few years it won't be because they want to, it's because their promoters have told them that their fanbase just ain't what it used to be and there's no getting it back without a miracle.

you're dumb and you should

a) look at the adore tour history.
b) check out where the pumpkins played their last show.
c) just check out where most good bands play.

sure, that "large arena atmostphere" is a nice thrill when you haven't done it 'yet'.

you're dumb and you should

a) look at the adore tour history.
b) check out where the pumpkins played their last show.
c) just check out where most good bands play.

sure, that "large arena atmostphere" is a nice thrill when you haven't done it 'yet'.

Some Adore shows were arena shows, in areas where they knew they could draw large crowds (Madison Square Garden). And apparently you forgot that there was a farewell show in a large arena at the United Center. And the good bands that are playing this summer are playing in 20,000+ venues.

If Warner Brothers' marketing arm comes to Billy before the release of this album and says "Billy!! This album is pure gold! 5 singles minimum! And we played the album in our teen focus groups and we think we can draw 10,000 kids a night in 100 different U.S. cities if we do an arena tour!", the band's not going to say NO, we're doing small clubs with 500-1000 max capacity. And no band would say that. No one is going to turn down millions of potential dollars in tour money, merchandise money, and countless magazine interviews when they've just spent 2 years of their life working on an album. You're a complete idiot if you think otherwise and just not being realistic with yourself. The bands that aren't playins arena tours wish they could.

how about fuck your millions of shitty dollars ?

how about fuck your millions of shitty dollars ?

Yeah, I believe I've just taught you a lesson about how the music business works.

you'd like to think that, but i guess you know shit about the indie music business.

as long as it's better than MSOTS i'll probably buy it.

you'd like to think that, but i guess you know shit about the indie music business.

LOL. The indie music business, where it's "all abut tha musiik!!" Because as everyone well knows, indie musicians aren't in it to make money. If your favorite indie band had a couple of big hits and WB came to them with a $10 million record deal plus tour and merchandise bonuses, I'm sure they'd turn them down on the spot, right? Is this really David Pajo i'm talking to here?!

You people need to learn.

MSOTS and TFE weren't SP.

i'd love lo live in your world of black and white, shawn, but unfortunately i have an open mind.

i had the same stupid fucking argument with someone in 98 on usenet, and i'm not wasting my time again.

here's just a little dramatization :

manager : billy, i booked you at shephard's bush empire because we all know that pumpkins cannot attract 20 000 people in london. i mean, come on, this is the 90's.

billy : damnit! i told you i want to play huge arenas night after night just like the MCIS tour, get disconnected from reality, get physically and psychologically strained over again... i mean, who cares if I have a life and feel happy when i am close to my fans ? at least i'll be able to buy 3 more houses, right ?

manager : sorry billy. we can't risk the money.

i personally think each record he put out, over his entire career, has been an evolution over the last (with the exeption of zwan) ... so yeah, i think the new album will kick ass if he's going for the sound i think he's going for (subtle atmospherics; "space" rock) ... but if he takes a left turn and makes something in vein of gish or something, well, then to everybody who hated machina and TFE: your wish will be granted

an interesting way of looking at it is that the post-machina stuff was just billy in "default" mode; not going all out. those days were as ordinary to him as going to work (or picking our nose; whatever) is ordinary for us. pumpkins are the real shabang.

You people need to learn.

MSOTS and TFE weren't SP.

omg I NEVER KNEW!!!!

I love you you red sarcastic bastard. (I always imagine the lobster typing on a keyboard. this is how it is)

i wasn't saying what bands like to do, i'm stating my personal opinion. i've seen shows in big venues and smaller ones, and the smaller shows have always been better.

i wasn't saying what bands like to do, i'm stating my personal opinion. i've seen shows in big venues and smaller ones, and the smaller shows have always been better.

and tons of bands feel exactly the same.

I have consistently enjoyed Billy Corgan's music since I became a fan in 1995. Whether it's the Pumpkins, Zwan or solo work, I have honestly enjoyed all of it. If anything, my only complaint is the amount of time between releases, and you know what, I get over it. The only thing better than BC making music is BC making music with Jimmy. On that criteria alone I am eagerly awaiting the next album.

i think billys age is one good indication that this might be better than machina. most artists makes their best work during their late 30's/ early 40's (examples: paul mccartney, iggy pop, david bowie, niel hoogan)

most artists makes their best work during their late 30's/ early 40's (examples: paul mccartney)

ok what

case in point:

1984, paul mccartney (42 years old) - give my regards to brodway

1987, david bowie (40 yers old) - never let me down

1986, iggy pop (39 years old) - blah blah blah

so there. three masterpieces of postwar music, all created by artists at the peak of their powers

i think Paul McCartney reached the "peak of his powers" way before 1984. i can't say anything for the other guys. but to each his own

case in point:

1984, paul mccartney (42 years old) - give my regards to brodway

1987, david bowie (40 yers old) - never let me down

1986, iggy pop (39 years old) - blah blah blah

so there. three masterpieces of postwar music, all created by artists at the peak of their powers


I think you're just being sarcastic. David Bowie didnt have anything decent after Let's Dance, and i dont even remember listening to any iggy pop stuff.

Musicians are generally washed up by the time they're 40. Alot of them develop arthritis and cant even play the guitar well enough to even write songs.

is there any reason other than blind hope to lead you to believe that it will be better?

Denial. I'm denying that Machina sucked that bad. I'm more looking forward to possible releases of old demos, like PM demos.

What's so new and inventive about reuniting a band that hasnt played together for years?

Who's being negative here? There's nothing negative about putting this band to rest and moving on to more productive things. That's a positive thing. At this point I'd much rather read a 400+ page novel from Billy (that he can't work on now) than listen to or watch a reunited SP.


First, new and inventive has everything to do with Corgan's ability to adapt his style and not produce consecutive albums that sound exactly alike. This is one of the few contemporary musicians who have proven to consistently do this effectively! So many artists are trapped by their own sound! Because Billy has the inherent talent to constantly come up with brilliant, refreshing hooks/harmonies we as fans are always confident his next work will be exciting.

Get a clue man!

How can you say it's not negative to bury a band, i.e. putting a band to rest? What's positive about that? I think the more productive things you need to move onto are the "Kelly Clarkson" and "My Chemical Romance" websites like you mentioned earlier.

Sure, MSOTS and TFE were different and probably not as high quality, but they were never meant to be. They were meant to be different projects, of course! The comparisons to SP were inevitable, but that's the chance you take as an artist.

Yeah, I believe I've just taught you a lesson about how the music business works.

I don't think you're teaching anyone anything. I mean, what the hell are you talking about? You're retarded if you think money and the music industry being intertwined are a big newsflash. Thanks for the front page story!

The Pumpkins is Billy’s band...it belongs to him. If he wants to put out more music under that name, that's his right. I really think he wants to play pumpkin music again. He wrote the songs, they are a part of him. Some of you act as if the band belongs to you...and he needs to stop right now because he might fuck up the legacy of your band. We’re lucky we even got to hear the music in the first place, he didn’t have to make it. I don't think that getting the band back together and making some new albums is as much about money as some of you might think...I think it's about the passion, and the love of making music, something he obviously loves. No one would go though all the bullshit and heart-ache just to buy some new cars or houses...Billy Corgan is on a mission, and if he has world wide success, or fails miserably that's his destiny. I'll be behind him win or loss...his music has changed my life. You have to respect people for their efforts...that mother-fucker is relentless, he will not quit. God bless B.C.

you want to know why i expect the next album to be better then machina?














because III is more then II and i love to eat marshmellow peeps

you want to know why i expect the next album to be better then machina?














because III is more then II and i love to eat marshmellow peeps




those things are pure sugar crack...

now you know why i frequently talk about pilgrims and scream damn your eyes








or maybe thats just the pure crack

who eyes are you damning?

whoevers eyes get in my way im walking TALL

whoevers eyes get in my way im walking TALL



well im a TALL drink of water!....handle that!

i think you're telling a TALL tale

i think you're telling a TALL tale



yeah im more of a short story.. :p

im sorry...it happens to the best of us...just not as often

i kind of hope the story goes on with the new album i would like to see where it goes...

i wouldnt mind machina III if it was kept up with the story but i think alot of people would be confused by a comeback album called Machina III and even more so that no matter how hard they look they cant happen to find machina II in stores ANYWHERE

i wouldnt mind machina III if it was kept up with the story but i think alot of people would be confused by a comeback album called Machina III and even more so that no matter how hard they look they cant happen to find machina II in stores ANYWHERE



it would just add to the mystery

the MaChInA MyStErY!!!! we need some fucking scooby doo on this case...or mister monk...that guys a NUT but a good crime solver

the MaChInA MyStErY!!!! we need some fucking scooby doo on this case...or mister monk...that guys a NUT but a good crime solver




i just got done watching monk love that show...

monk is AMAZING...he's like a retard but a genius at the same time...he's my HERO

oh monk would solve the whole mystery...i wouldnt doubt that

maybe billys trying to take him out...i bet thats what's taking the reunion so long

billys latest blog: well things are going great here in the studio trying to wrap things up but that fucking monk keeps rearranging everything...

haha remember the one where he tried to solve the suicide/murder of the producer? he'd keep resetting all the mixers and billy would have to fly off the handle and get a fucking witch doctor

they could be the best of friends tuning the geetars for hours on end...

monk can play a clarinet solo over every single song...who needs garson when you've got adrian monk!!

i wholeheartedly approve of the current direction of this thread.

dude if monk played bass on that shit and all of his quirky desire to get everything right,....i cant see how billy could go wrong with adrian monk

dude if monk played bass on that shit and all of his quirky desire to get everything right,....i cant see how billy could go wrong with adrian monk



jeez monk and billy in the same band....better hope they can pull off a two piece band cause nobody is gonna wanna put up with that :D

adrian will keep trying to shave billy mustache and billy will keep trying to shave monks ass then he'll get to know billy and touch a little class



CAUSE CHICKS
CHICKS JUST GET IN THE WAAAAAAY
CHICKS JUST GET IN THE WAY, IM NOT GAY
BUT CHICKS, CHICKS JUST GET IN THE WAY

i wholeheartedly approve of the current direction of this thread.

hey texaschainsawmassacre, where did the smiling avatar go?!?
and why are you using the arrow? :(

the arrow has always been my thing. i only gave it up for Lent. HOW QUICKLY THEY FORGET.