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kristin xp
11-10-2005, 06:11 PM
:rofl: just imagine if she came here!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/04/suicide.internet/index.html

Parents: Online newsgroup helped daughter commit suicide
Online newsgroup members trade messages about suicide desires, methods
From CNN's Thelma Gutierrez and Kim McCabe


Thursday, November 10, 2005; Posted: 4:36 p.m. EST (21:36 GMT)

Programming Note: Thelma Gutierrez reports on the suicide newsgroup tonight on ***** Zahn NOW," 8 p.m. ET.

Suzanne Gonzales poses for a self-portrait photograph.
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Resources
• National Strategy for Suicide Prevention
• National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
• American Foundation for Suicide Prevention
(CNN) -- Suzanne Gonzales seemed to have everything going for her.

A bubbly 19-year-old with loving parents and good friends, she was also a strong student and earned a science scholarship for college.

But everything changed one spring day two years ago, when Suzanne's parents, Mike and Mary Gonzales, received the following e-mail.

"Dear Mom, Dad, and Jennifer, I will make this short as I know. It will be hard to deal with. If you haven't heard by now, I've passed away," the e-mail read.

Alone in a Florida hotel room, just miles from her college apartment, Suzanne methodically prepared and swallowed a lethal cocktail of potassium cyanide, lay down on the bed and died.

In doing so, she joined the roughly 4,000 people between the ages of 15 and 24 who commit suicide each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Suicide is now the third leading cause of death among young people, the CDC reports.

But Suzanne's case has an unusual twist. She frequented an Internet newsgroup called called ASH, short for Alt.Suicide.Holiday.

Members of this news group trade advice on how to commit suicide, using code words like 'transitioning' and 'exiting' and 'catching the bus.' Suzanne found this group nine weeks before she died, posting nearly one hundred messages detailing her plans.

"My chosen method is potassium cyanide....I've stopped eating so my tummy will be nice and acidic," one of Suzanne's posts read.

Suzanne's father claims the newsgroup gave her everything she needed to kill herself.

"The knowledge, the tools, their psychological encouragement. ... She was led to her death," Mike Gonzales said.

Newsgroups like ASH work something like an online bulletin board. Anyone with a computer and some basic Internet knowledge can gain free access to thousands of messages about suicide. And they can post their own messages.

An archived section of the site called "The Methods File" contains a list of recipes, recommendations and tips on the best and worst ways to commit suicide.

Suzanne's dad believes one of those messages taught her how to illegally obtain and use cyanide to end her life. And he was horrified to learn that an older ASH member who goes by the alias "River" may have helped her.

"Suzy had me proof-read her notes and we went over all the details of her exit, just to be safe," reads one ASH message from "River."

But "River" disputes his role in Suzanne's death.

"No one in ASH encourages anyone else to commit suicide. ASH is pro-choice," he wrote in an e-mail to CNN.

"Geo" is another ASH member. He was the same age as Suzanne when he joined the group last year and thinks suicide groups like ASH actually keep people from committing suicide.

In fact, "Geo" credits ASH with saving his life.

"If it weren't for it, I think the chances of me having committing suicide would have been greater," he said. "Having a place where you can write those thoughts, get them out of your head. It can be very therapeutic."

But Suzanne's dad thinks otherwise.

"That's not pro-choice," Mike Gonzales said of the site. "That's brainwashing. And they are not being held responsible."


and she was so pretty too
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Toby
11-10-2005, 06:14 PM
that looks kinda like cheo.

kristin xp
11-10-2005, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Toby
that looks kinda like cheo.

well i really didn't wanna say anything and hurt her feelings.

MercuryChild
11-10-2005, 06:24 PM
haha her shirt says +one

MusicMan4
11-10-2005, 08:20 PM
i've posted there on and off for a pretty long time

MusicMan4
11-10-2005, 08:23 PM
i dont think i had anything to do with this, though

Junebug
11-10-2005, 08:27 PM
sean casey you know you're guilty. Or should we call you RIVER?!?!

gosh parents are so dumb.

Nimrod's Son
11-10-2005, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by Sean Casey
i dont think i had anything to do with this, though Ok River

MusicMan4
11-10-2005, 08:30 PM
i'd never encourage anyone to kill themself unless it was bitey's ghost or krazee's ghost or fear factory or me

i just don't discourage it

Elvis The Fat Years
11-10-2005, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by kristin xp
using code words like 'transitioning' and 'exiting' and 'catching the bus.'

Travis Meeks
11-10-2005, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by kristin xp
posting nearly one hundred messages detailing her plans.


pfft. newbies:rolleyes:

Oblivious
11-11-2005, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Sean Casey
i've posted there on and off for a pretty long time

oh really

Mayfuck
11-11-2005, 12:20 AM
seeya guys, i'm gonna go catch the bus.

Oblivious
11-11-2005, 12:20 AM
there's some stuff from noyen in the method files. i think he did the hibachi section or something similar.

Fattening Ass
11-11-2005, 12:38 AM
cool

dean moriaty
11-11-2005, 01:12 AM
this reminded me a little of a news story iheard on the radio today


Cambodian governor sues American over euthanasia sites

By DPA

Phnom Penh (Cambodia), Nov 6 (DPA) A defamation lawsuit against an American national accused of creating websites urging foreigners to visit a sleepy Cambodian province for euthanasia will proceed even after the sites had been taken down, the provincial governor said Sunday.

The 'euthanasia tourism' websites, which encouraged people to come to Cambodia to commit suicide or carry out euthanasia, featuring banners such as: 'You are going to die anyway, so why not choose Cambodia?' had created a furore among local businesses, tourism bodies and government ministries.

The governor of the southwestern province of Kampot, about 180 km from the capital, filed criminal charges against Roger Graham for allegedly damaging the its reputation with the sites.

Graham said he had sought to avoid prosecution by taking down the offending websites.

'To take the websites down now is too late. We will continue the case. We believe the websites have already done the damage,' governor Puth Chandarith said by telephone.

'Whether he is made to leave the country or sent to jail is up to the court, but the case must be heard by the court.'

The family of a British woman who committed suicide in Kampot in September alleged that the websites directly influenced the woman's decision to take her life.

If convicted, Graham faces a year in prison and fines.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/051106/43/60whc.html

dean moriaty
11-11-2005, 01:14 AM
here's a story about the british woman who killed herself in the hotel the guy who made the sites runs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/08/nsuic08.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/08/ixhome.html

ZackZ
11-11-2005, 01:33 AM
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