fiery furnaces

polyphonic spree

arcade fire

whats their gimmick?

peaches

hives

fannypack

gold chains

is this thread supposed to piss people off

har mar superstar

darkness

and ac/dc

every single emo band ever formed EVER!

explosions in the sky

Originally posted by Mayfuck
fiery furnaces

Originally posted by Mayfuck
whats their gimmick?

:confused:

Jet
Coldplay

Originally posted by Shparticus




:confused:

instead of having 40 crappy songs on an album they merge them together so they can have 10 crappy songs in a album. to think they could just string together several crappy songs in one song and call it progressive is an insult to my musical perspicacity.

oh also if you are in a band with your untalented but hot sister, thats automatic gimmick

xiu xiu

deerhoof

liars

goldie lookin' chain

and Kiss.

Don't forget Kiss.

the smashing pumpkins.

slipknot
mudvaYNE

radiohead

Originally posted by Mayfuck
oh also if you are in a band with your untalented but hot sister, thats automatic gimmick

Look who has a little crush.

Originally posted by Mayfuck
oh also if you are in a band with your untalented but hot sister, thats automatic gimmick

http://www.dagmarsieglinde.com/eleanor4.jpg

Who's hot? :confused:

this thread sucks

most of these bands have no gimmick, what the fuck is Xiu Xiu's gimmick?

Originally posted by I'm Hardcore
what the fuck is Xiu Xiu's gimmick?

that their music is unlistenable?

SNAP

just kiddin', I'm a fan.

Yeah this thread sucks because of idiots that post bands who don't have gimmicks.

queen

I think Jet, Coldplay and Fiery Furnaces were the only bands in this thread I didn't like so far. I have every Har Mar Superstar release up to his 2nd record, including 7 inches and shit. Also I've had Peaches' crotch in my face.

i like the fiery furnaces, peaches, har mar...


it's gimmicky and whatever, but why does everything have to be brilliant? it's fun. and that arcade fire album is really fucking catchy.

besides, julio is just riffing off that hipinion thread :cool:

we got jokes

shit, that should have been my new screenname

fuck oceans

Originally posted by Mayfuck
whats their gimmick?

Canadian artsy douche bag gimmick.

whatever that fuck redbreegull calls his band

Originally posted by celluloid_love


that their music is unlistenable?

SNAP

just kiddin', I'm a fan.



I hope you die. They suck.

Xiu Xiu kick ass, i love Jamies vocals


I may be very fucking naive, but i dont even see the Arcade Fire's gimmick. Is it the female presence? I dunno, shoot me if im being gay

a gimmick to me is Slipknot, the White Stripes, the Polyphonic Spree, and i do think that there is quite a difference between a gimmick and originality.

Originally posted by I'm Hardcore
a gimmick to me is Slipknot, the White Stripes, the Polyphonic Spree

Okay, Slipknot's gimmick is that they all wear stupid masks. Polyphonic Spree's gimmick is that there are like 20 people with similarly bovine expressions wearing choir robes.

The White Stripes' gimmick is that . . . uh, there're two of them? That they play drums and guitar? That they occasionally dress in period costume for videos? I mean, the only thing close to a gimmick I can see there is the whole brother/sister/husband/wife thing, and I think everyone's pretty much over that.

datsuns

Oh, also, on the topic of gimmicks . . .

http://www.mcd.ie/photosmcd/thedarkness1007200410.jpg

Bleargh.

Originally posted by ryan patrick
and ac/dc

thankyou.

Originally posted by Fonzie
goldie lookin' chain

fuck you.

Originally posted by FasterThanFate
slipknot

about time someone posted that.

Originally posted by Shparticus



The White Stripes' gimmick is that . . . uh, there're two of them? That they play drums and guitar? That they occasionally dress in period costume for videos? I mean, the only thing close to a gimmick I can see there is the whole brother/sister/husband/wife thing, and I think everyone's pretty much over that.

we're too good for a bass guitarist

I don't think that really counts as a gimmick. It's not something they advertise, and it's not something they exploit to gain listenership.

There's the whole white/black/red color scheme. They've talked about the band supposedly being an "art project." The look, the brother/sister thing, the music. I don't know if that's really gimmicky or what. I guess a lot of people would say so.

every black metal band

Originally posted by Teh Funz

Goldie Lookin' Chain


Originally posted by ShotFullOfDiamonds

fuck you.


So, welsh whitey gangsta rap isn't a gimmick?

the killers

Originally posted by Shparticus
I don't think that really counts as a gimmick. It's not something they advertise, and it's not something they exploit to gain listenership.

Their gimmick is their lame ass attempt at playing blues.

Originally posted by Fonzie




So, welsh whitey gangsta rap isn't a gimmick?

it is but it's not all shitty :(

gwar

The Darkness

Oasis

God Speed You Black Emperor (throw the stupid ! where ever you please)

Me First and the Gimme Gimmes

The Darkness is a gimmick band that works for me. As are The White Stripes and The Strokes.

The Backstreet Boyz!!


Edit: Oh, and all fashion-core bands.

Originally posted by youngod
the killers

oh good call

*ahem*

No ICP?

And these guys?

Jeez.

<img src="http://www.rialtotheatre.com/images/events/twiztid.jpg">

okay, add to the "any metal band from the 80s" any hard/scary band from the 90s

that *******s MM and NIN and Korn and whatever else

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost
*ahem*

No ICP?

everyone else HAD wiped them from their memory

Originally posted by ShotFullOfDiamonds


everyone else HAD wiped them from their memory

Well I'm glad I could be so helpful in reminding you about them!

<img src="http://www.all-pictures-photos.com/images/icp/icp-img.jpg">

pussycat dolls?

Coheed and Cambria

Stupidest gimmick ever. I pity anyone who actually tries to figure all that shit out.

Originally posted by Axis of Action


that *******s MM and NIN and Korn and whatever else

What is NIN and Korn's gimmick. I don't even like Korn, but I don't see a a gimmick.

Coheed and Cambria

Stupidest gimmick ever. I pity anyone who actually tries to figure all that shit out.
I don't think it's really a gimmick, the guy is just a big comic book/sci-fi nerd.

Originally posted by COG

I don't even like Korn, but I don't see a a gimmick.

merging some kind of heavy 7 string metal with hip hop and singing about rape, death, suicide and teenage angst?

Originally posted by Rockin' Cherub

merging some kind of heavy 7 string metal with hip hop and singing about rape, death, suicide and teenage angst?

Yeah, but thats not really a gimmick, they were and are far from the only band to do that.

Originally posted by Axis of Action
NIN

If you want to call NIN a gimmick band, then you'd have to admit that it's a fucking good one.

Most great bands had a gimmick. It's a fan magnet.

marilyn manson, korn, and nine inch nails all released great albums

Originally posted by Sean Casey
marilyn manson, korn, and nine inch nails all released great albums

NIN, I'll grant TDS (or PHM, either are solid)

what's korn's and MM's siamese dream? follow the leader? antichrist superstar? please. I can barely listen to an MM or Korn song without vomitting. NIN I can still handle, but not all songs. a lot of Korn and Manson's songs are mindless rage at either the system or culture, and really, it's not even productive criticism, it's really just blind hatred. they don't try to understand they simply reject (while creating their own place within said culture).

Korn doesn't REALLY have a gimmick I suppose, aside from the fact that their music all sounds the same. I think that should qualify a band for gimmick status, because as a band, the gimmick can just be one sound that they sell over and over and over again

Originally posted by virago
Most great bands had a gimmick. It's a fan magnet.

but for a lot of the actually great bands, it's a lot less tangible than the examples we're throwing around here

like Led Zeppelin's gimmick was... their charm? The Rolling Stones gimmick was... their cool? The Beatles gimmick was... their genius?

Don't be gay. Antichrist Superstar is awesome.

Originally posted by Mayfuck
Don't be gay. Antichrist Superstar is awesome.

ALL DRIED UP AND TIED UP FOREVER
ALL FUCKED UP AND DEAD TO THE WORLD

lol im not even bothering here.

Originally posted by Mayfuck
Don't be gay. Antichrist Superstar is awesome.

also the first two korn albums

Originally posted by Sean Casey


also the first two korn albums

you just crossed the line sean casey :(

Nononono You cannot say that Antichrist was a bad album full of blind hatred. That album was genius. Not only did it have its own flavor and feel, one I am particularly fond of because well, I'm a goth...but the lyrics are great. One of my favourite MM songs is Tourniquet, that song is just gorgeous. And Man That You Fear? Oh god.


It just really a sexy album, if you ask me.

And really, I'd have to say that Antichrist isn't even what MM's "siamese dream" would be either...I'd say Portrait was. Antichrist was just a bonus :D

Originally posted by Axis of Action


NIN, I'll grant TDS (or PHM, either are solid)

what's korn's and MM's siamese dream? follow the leader? antichrist superstar? please. I can barely listen to an MM or Korn song without vomitting. NIN I can still handle, but not all songs. a lot of Korn and Manson's songs are mindless rage at either the system or culture, and really, it's not even productive criticism, it's really just blind hatred. they don't try to understand they simply reject (while creating their own place within said culture).

Korn doesn't REALLY have a gimmick I suppose, aside from the fact that their music all sounds the same. I think that should qualify a band for gimmick status, because as a band, the gimmick can just be one sound that they sell over and over and over again

You are really fucking stupid, especially when it comes to music. This post isn't you're defining moment as a total fucking dumbass but I just felt as if it needed to be said.

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost
And really, I'd have to say that Antichrist isn't even what MM's "siamese dream" would be either...I'd say Portrait was. Antichrist was just a bonus :D

I never really listened much to Portrait

I mean I never really listened much to Antichrist, but moreso than Portrait

I guess Antichrist is more the Mellon Collie of the Manson catalogue

eitherway, no offense to you Stace or anything, but I don't really see goth as being much more than a gimmick/phase of life. everyone I've known who have been goths have left it behind after X amount of years.

Originally posted by bitey's ghost


You are really fucking stupid, especially when it comes to music. This post isn't you're defining moment as a total fucking dumbass but I just felt as if it needed to be said.

cool

Originally posted by Axis of Action
eitherway, no offense to you Stace or anything, but I don't really see goth as being much more than a gimmick/phase of life. everyone I've known who have been goths have left it behind after X amount of years.

that's not the point.

Originally posted by Axis of Action


I never really listened much to Portrait

I mean I never really listened much to Antichrist, but moreso than Portrait

I guess Antichrist is more the Mellon Collie of the Manson catalogue

eitherway, no offense to you Stace or anything, but I don't really see goth as being much more than a gimmick/phase of life. everyone I've known who have been goths have left it behind after X amount of years.

Well see, there's your problem. You haven't listened to it much...but just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not a good album.

Musically, its awesome. Lyrically, its even better. The music/lyrics fit together perfectly, and the content is consistent, but not boring or tiring.

Portrait is probably MM's best album, but I prefer Antichrist because that's just me. But Portrait is awesome...the intro is genius, it has so much power and its such a dynamic album, it impresses the pants off of me (insert joke here).

And as for goth...I was just joking around about that. But as for what you're saying, I don't agree. I understand that for the most part, most "goth" kids grow out of it, and yes it is just a phase...but there's a difference between those kids and people who genuinely enjoy the certain aspects of that "phase".

For instance, I would love to get dreads, pile on tons of makeup, get some bigass stompin' boots, put on my striped stockings, get some piercings and tattoos (a sleeve to be exact), clips and chains hanging everywhere...I mean really the works. But not only would my boyfriend probably freak out, but my work would be too...so I don't. I wear dress pants and petite heels, when I go out I wear other clothes I like and feel comfortable in.

I've always loved the way that fashion is, I always will. I've always loved bands like MM, NIN, etc...always will. Its not that I was one of those creepy little kids that eventually grew out of it, its just something I geniunely enjoy. I don't think I'd go so far as to call it gothic, either...since that term has been spoiled by those moron kids.

In other words, there's people who like it because its the cool thing to do, and then there's people who genuinely like it.

It can be any "trendy" thing. From cutters to bisexuals...there's always going to be some genuine people and then there's going to be the ones that follow the trend because its just the thing to do. But that shouldn't discredit the genuine "trendsetters".

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost


Well see, there's your problem. You haven't listened to it much...but just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not a good album.

Musically, its awesome. Lyrically, its even better. The music/lyrics fit together perfectly, and the content is consistent, but not boring or tiring.

Portrait is probably MM's best album, but I prefer Antichrist because that's just me. But Portrait is awesome...the intro is genius, it has so much power and its such a dynamic album, it impresses the pants off of me (insert joke here).

And as for goth...I was just joking around about that. But as for what you're saying, I don't agree. I understand that for the most part, most "goth" kids grow out of it, and yes it is just a phase...but there's a difference between those kids and people who genuinely enjoy the certain aspects of that "phase".

For instance, I would love to get dreads, pile on tons of makeup, get some bigass stompin' boots, put on my striped stockings, get some piercings and tattoos (a sleeve to be exact), clips and chains hanging everywhere...I mean really the works. But not only would my boyfriend probably freak out, but my work would be too...so I don't. I wear dress pants and petite heels, when I go out I wear other clothes I like and feel comfortable in.

I've always loved the way that fashion is, I always will. I've always loved bands like MM, NIN, etc...always will. Its not that I was one of those creepy little kids that eventually grew out of it, its just something I geniunely enjoy. I don't think I'd go so far as to call it gothic, either...since that term has been spoiled by those moron kids.

well you bring up good points and maybe my view of it has simply been "spoiled by those moron kids"...

I can appreciate how well the music and the lyrics mesh, because in that respect they are very successful. Maybe it's only because I went through the phase briefly and grew out of it quickly, but I find stuff like anger at religion and government annoying, because it's cyclical without any actual solutions. or rather, whatever solutions they may suggest (and I don't pretend to know them) are never successful in the least - although that's a fault of many artistic movements so I can't claim it's specific to the gothic movement.

I hope the rest of you - I'm guessing Stacy has realized this, but I don't know about the rest - is we're not talking about goth as a gimmick anymore, I think now we're just discussing it's relevance and legitimacy as a subculture/movement. anyhow, that's how I'm treating the discussion.

I just find the usefulness of goth style being worn out. Like in the 90s, Manson projected some interesting juxtapositions (using crosses against military images, or whatever) and I find that stuff interesting and at least controvery-provoking, but after a while it seemed to be more shock for shock's sake, without any true artistic point. or maybe, like the Pumpkins, the artistic point became too deep and too much and no one ever really got it. Basically, like a lot of things in music, I want them to evolve. NIN and MM initially brought something really cool to the table, but now I find it old and tiresome. Like I've been angry at God, I've been angry at our government. But it's not useful to just keep saying that. It's more interesting to look at it a different way and push myself further, really question my beliefs or the world's beliefs or whatever.

Your love of the image is something wholly different from my reasons for disliking goth though. I can appreciate your affection for the image (although I don't exactly find that image attractive :p)... I dunno. Stuff.

Originally posted by Sean Casey


also the first two korn albums
i have my life is peachy moments sometimes

Originally posted by Axis of Action


ALL DRIED UP AND TIED UP FOREVER
ALL FUCKED UP AND DEAD TO THE WORLD

lyrics from what is probably the worst song off the record.

pre-97 Manson is so fucking awesome. IMO he's one of the most insightful and original writers of the last decade.

Originally posted by Axis of Action


well you bring up good points and maybe my view of it has simply been "spoiled by those moron kids"...

I can appreciate how well the music and the lyrics mesh, because in that respect they are very successful. Maybe it's only because I went through the phase briefly and grew out of it quickly, but I find stuff like anger at religion and government annoying, because it's cyclical without any actual solutions. or rather, whatever solutions they may suggest (and I don't pretend to know them) are never successful in the least - although that's a fault of many artistic movements so I can't claim it's specific to the gothic movement.

I hope the rest of you - I'm guessing Stacy has realized this, but I don't know about the rest - is we're not talking about goth as a gimmick anymore, I think now we're just discussing it's relevance and legitimacy as a subculture/movement. anyhow, that's how I'm treating the discussion.

I just find the usefulness of goth style being worn out. Like in the 90s, Manson projected some interesting juxtapositions (using crosses against military images, or whatever) and I find that stuff interesting and at least controvery-provoking, but after a while it seemed to be more shock for shock's sake, without any true artistic point. or maybe, like the Pumpkins, the artistic point became too deep and too much and no one ever really got it. Basically, like a lot of things in music, I want them to evolve. NIN and MM initially brought something really cool to the table, but now I find it old and tiresome. Like I've been angry at God, I've been angry at our government. But it's not useful to just keep saying that. It's more interesting to look at it a different way and push myself further, really question my beliefs or the world's beliefs or whatever.

Your love of the image is something wholly different from my reasons for disliking goth though. I can appreciate your affection for the image (although I don't exactly find that image attractive :p)... I dunno. Stuff.


I understand completely. But like you're saying, its all up to personal opinion. I, personally, think that the whole anger against god & government is probably more relevant now that it was 10 years ago. I'm not tired of it. And personally I think that venting your frustrations is fine, with or without posing a solution. Its just reinforcing something that so many of us feel...and that's really all music is, something you can relate to.

On a related note, sometimes I just like to have angry music to listen to for when I'm angry or need to get pumped up for something. Hell, I used to love Slipknot, and not for any other reason that I liked to scream along with the music, its just a means of venting for me. It doesn't always have to have some grand wonderful point to it, because sometimes the point is just blind anger.

And just out of curiousity, what do you think would be a prime example of something positive in terms of "true artistic point"? Like, since MM and NIN don't do it for you, who does?

portrait sucks. ACS and mechanical animals are pretty awesome.

clinic. unless they take their medical practice on tour with them. then its not a gimmick.

Originally posted by neopryn
portrait sucks. ... mechanical animals are pretty awesome.

:rofl:

nice rebuttal

Portrait is probably before your time, child.

Portrait is so fucking awesome. Its filled with some awesome riffs. I've owned it since i was 11 years old, its quite significant in sorta blazing the trail for what i began to listen to.

An awesome record, to summarise

Portrait is so fucking awesome. Its filled with some awesome riffs. I've owned it since i was 11 years old, its quite significant in sorta blazing the trail for what i began to listen to.

An awesome record, to summarise

Originally posted by neopryn
portrait sucks. ACS and mechanical animals are pretty awesome.

agreed

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost
Portrait is probably before your time, child.

Yes, because one cannot listen to something that was released a while back.

Originally posted by Eulogy


Yes, because one cannot listen to something that was released a while back.

So many people I knew got into MM when ACS came out, and some even after that. It seems that the majority of those people can't handle any of the earlier stuff and I'm almost positive because its not the same...and that's kinda silly to me.

I mean, Manson before MA and Manson after MA are 2 totally different styles.

I know you understand this phenomena...its kinda like the 14 year olds getting into Green Day now. You're just going to have a different expectation.

Originally posted by ravenguy2000
They've talked about the band supposedly being an "art project."

Music is art.

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost


So many people I knew got into MM when ACS came out, and some even after that. It seems that the majority of those people can't handle any of the earlier stuff and I'm almost positive because its not the same...and that's kinda silly to me.

I mean, Manson before MA and Manson after MA are 2 totally different styles.

I know you understand this phenomena...its kinda like the 14 year olds getting into Green Day now. You're just going to have a different expectation. hahahaha

not liking something because it's not the same as something i like is silly?

and the "before your time" argument is even more assinine. i was born in 1985, there's quite a lot of stuff before my time that i like.

Originally posted by neopryn

not liking something because it's not the same as something i like is silly?
No, the differences between new MM and old MM aren't huge...so why kids who eat up the new stuff and hate the older (better imo) stuff is beyond me.

Why do you think Portrait sucks?
Originally posted by neopryn

and the "before your time" argument is even more assinine. i was born in 1985, there's quite a lot of stuff before my time that i like.
Again, that's beside my point.

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost


Why do you think Portrait sucks?



it has a couple of ok songs. it's not a good album

Originally posted by dean moriaty


it has a couple of ok songs. it's not a good album

But WHY? What specific characteristics do you take into consideration when you tell me that your opinion of Portrait of an American Family is not a good album?

:dammit:

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost


But WHY? What specific characteristics do you take into consideration when you tell me that your opinion of Portrait of an American Family is not a good album?

:dammit:

it just doesn't hang together that well imo. the songs aren't of a consistently high standard and there isn't a consistent feel or progression. it feels like a bunch of songs cobbled together in any old order onto an album. in my opinion antichrist superstar hangs together much better as does mechanical animals.

you know krazee, people do have differing tastes. i don't understand why it's so incomprehensible to you that i like one album better than another. you're the one spouting off shit like
"it's before your time" and using the debate clinching rofl smiley.

i think it's juvenile, the songs aren't as well put together or thought out, the production isn't as good, the lyrics and vocals aren't as good, etc. you disagree. no one is right or wrong. i'm perfectaly capable of appreciating it even if i didn't hear it until a later date than you.

Originally posted by neopryn
you know krazee, people do have differing tastes. i don't understand why it's so incomprehensible to you that i like one album better than another. you're the one spouting off shit like
"it's before your time" and using the debate clinching rofl smiley.

i think it's juvenile, the songs aren't as well put together or thought out, the production isn't as good, the lyrics and vocals aren't as good, etc. you disagree. no one is right or wrong. i'm perfectaly capable of appreciating it even if i didn't hear it until a later date than you.

Relax, kid. I was being playful.

Anyhow, that's all I wanted to hear, I just wanted to know what you're reasoning was...and all you had to say was its crap and I don't like it. I just wanted to know why. Jeez.

On a related note, I think the intro going into Cake & Sodomy has to be one of my favourite intros to an album ever. They hang together so well, dude.

all marilyn manson is juvenile to me.

but i like the 5 paragraph post by stacy defending her propensity towards being a goth.

Originally posted by refills 79 cents
all marilyn manson is juvenile to me.



I probably just should have said this instead of my long-winded arguments

Originally posted by Axis of Action


I probably just should have said this instead of my long-winded arguments

I appreciated your responses. I still would've asked why ;)

Originally posted by refills 79 cents
but i like the 5 paragraph post by stacy defending her propensity towards being a goth.

Its hot man.

<img src="http://www.hypnox.com/verotika/images/verotika203.jpg">

<img src="http://www.hypnox.com/aubrey/images/aubrey%20878.jpg">

:D

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost


Its hot man.

goth #1

goth #2

:D
see personally, i like the above kind of "goths" than the bottom. i don't like that shit hair extensions or whateverthefuck.

my ex had goth exstentions kind of similar to that and i hated them.

that is all.

Originally posted by David

see personally, i like the above kind of "goths" than the bottom. i don't like that shit hair extensions or whateverthefuck.

my ex had goth exstentions kind of similar to that and i hated them.

that is all.

hey david

i have mad naked pictures of the first one, i can PM you :eek:

Originally posted by Sean Casey


hey david

i have mad naked pictures of the first one, i can PM you :eek:
like i said, PM me some SKIN

she barely has any tits and they're shitty webcam shots though

hey i want hella nudes too

i wasnt kidding about the quality here, i just recognized her and saw an opporunity to get even more attention

not horrible, but i'm no fan of pierced nips.

Originally posted by Krazee's Ghost


I appreciated your responses. I still would've asked why ;)

no, it was definitely a good discussion, it helped me figure out some of my stereotypes

but ****** said it better :p

it was the stupidest discussion i've ever not read

art brut

Shitty gimmick posters:

Neopryn
Mayfuck
Sean Casey
I'm Hardcore

In other words, I love you.

Side note:
I like Marilyn, Korn and NIN.
Yes, AS and MA was better than POAAF [Marilyn Manson]
But he has sold his soul to money and has lost the ability to make soulful music.
I will never grow tired of NIN, any NIN, but especially their beautiful songs.
Korn-Korn, LifeIsPeachy and FTL: Lovely. It's not a band to listen to if you're looking for complex poetic lyrics, it's for the feel... maybe it's just pure nostalgia for me, but isn't that why we become fans?

Originally posted by virago
Shitty gimmick posters:
Neopryn
Mayfuck
Sean Casey
I'm Hardcore

shitty?

Originally posted by Rockin' Cherub

shitty?

I share some of their views. This makes them shitty.

Originally posted by virago
Shitty gimmick posters:

Neopryn
Mayfuck
Sean Casey
I'm Hardcore


wow, what illustrious company!