<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Gun control is such a non issue. Not only is it unconstitutional, but taking away all the guns it's not going to do anything to stop crime. If someone is going to commit serious violent crime, they know where to get guns on the black market. While I disagree with the meatheaded idea that having guns prevents crime, I do believe that submitting your right to carry arms to the government is just asking for disaster.</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Gun control is such a non issue. Not only is it unconstitutional, but taking away all the guns it's not going to do anything to stop crime. If someone is going to commit serious violent crime, they know where to get guns on the black market. While I disagree with the meatheaded idea that having guns prevents crime, I do believe that submitting your right to carry arms to the government is just asking for disaster.</font>

Hey, when did you turn into Ryan Patrick?

Anyway, I think you're wrong, but I'm not in a debating mood.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants


Hey, when did you turn into Ryan Patrick?

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
Not only is it unconstitutional



so you're in a militia? They're as outdated as your beliefs. If you can afford a gun and ammo, you can undoubtedly get a security system or a German Shepherd.

Originally posted by Tessellation

so you're in a militia? They're as outdated as your beliefs. If you can afford a gun and ammo, you can undoubtedly get a security system or a German Shepherd.

:rolleyes:

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">You guys all should just wear hats that say "PLEASE OPPRESS ME!"</font>

Fuck it. Get 'em. Guns freak me out.

While reducing the number of guns available will not deter crime 100% of the time, I believe it will reduce the number of fatalities. However, this just means that violent offenders will find other means of destroying lives.

The only real good that would come about from reducing (and eventually eliminating) guns is a sharp decline in accidental deaths due to children (or stupid adults) playing with guns.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">AREN'T YOU MOTHERFUCKERS CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMICIDAL FASCIST HORDES OF GEORGE W. BUSH'S FIFTH REICH?</font>

ever wonder why serial killers are virtually unheard of in Japan and the Netherlands? Because guns are not allowed to be owned by citizens not involved in law enforcement.

"oppression"? I feel oppressed by those that DO possess guns.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">AREN'T YOU MOTHERFUCKERS CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMICIDAL FASCIST HORDES OF GEORGE W. BUSH'S FIFTH REICH?</font>

No, I'm just concerned about your state of mental well-being after you've turned to the green leaf.

Originally posted by Tessellation
ever wonder why serial killers are virtually unheard of in Japan and the Netherlands? Because guns are not allowed to be owned by citizens not involved in law enforcement.

"oppression"? I feel oppressed by those that DO possess guns.

Serial killers rarely use guns you dumb fuck.

Originally posted by Tessellation
"oppression"? I feel oppressed by those that DO possess guns.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">The military and the police have guns you FUCKING MORON.</font>

http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/katitious/indifferent.gif
Does this look like my caring face?

Holy shit, Tessellation. Quit trying to come off as an intellectual here, you fucking stupid piece of shit.

Go find yourself another fake online girlfriend.

Originally posted by KrazeePumpkin
http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/katitious/indifferent.gif
Does this look like my caring face?

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">When the revolution comes, you'll be the first to die.</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">When the revolution comes, you'll be the first to die.</font> Was this ever in question? She'll probably starve long before.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">When the revolution comes, you'll be the first to die.</font>


Originally posted by KrazeePumpkin
http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/katitious/indifferent.gif
Does this look like my caring face?

If someone's going to shoot me, I'd feel better knowing it actually took some effort on their part to obtain that gun, instead of just strolling into a local store and saying 'lay one of them pistolas on me my good man!'

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">When the revolution comes, you'll be the first to die.</font>

she'll be like this: http://64.207.13.28/mysmilies/contrib/lynx/whitdead.gif

Originally posted by DeviousJ
If someone's going to shoot me, I'd feel better knowing it actually took some effort on their part to obtain that gun, instead of just strolling into a local store and saying 'lay one of them pistolas on me my good man!'

I still like Chris Rock's idea of charging $5000 for a bullet. That way, you make sure you kill who you want to kill rather than spraying bullets everywhere and killing innocent by standers.

Originally posted by sickbadthing


Serial killers rarely use guns you dumb fuck.




LOL, maybe in "the land of Zion", but not in the real world.

In 1998, firearms were used in 65% of homicides, and 52% of homicides were committed with a handgun. (For a breakdown of weapon types used, see page 18 of the 1998 FBI Uniform Crime Report [1995-1998 FBI UCR's]).

Originally posted by sickbadthing


I still like Chris Rock's idea of charging $5000 for a bullet. That way, you make sure you kill who you want to kill rather than spraying bullets everywhere and killing innocent by standers.




my English Professor loved telling my class that joke. I'm all for it.

So who here does own a gun(s), besides Rhino?

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">When the revolution comes, you'll be the first to die.</font>

Well, have they set a date??

Originally posted by Tessellation
So who here does own a gun(s), besides Rhino?

we have one.

we need safer guns and safer bullets :D

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Homicide doesn't equal serial killers, Tessilation you fucking dunce. Serial killers make up about one tenth of one percent of homicides. Holy shit you are an idiot and a half.</font>

*sigh* I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread. Like sawdust restaurants, I'm not in a debating mood. Let's just say that I disagree.

Originally posted by BlueStar
*sigh* I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread. Like sawdust restaurants, I'm not in a debating mood. Let's just say that I disagree.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Y'all just know I'm comin at ya from da left wit a pistol pump, yo.</font>

Originally posted by Tessellation
In 1998, firearms were used in 65% of homicides, and 52% of homicides were committed with a handgun. (For a breakdown of weapon types used, see page 18 of the 1998 FBI Uniform Crime Report [1995-1998 FBI UCR's]).

<font color="aquamarine">Source, please. And don't say the FBI. I want an exact source.</font>

Originally posted by Crippler


<font color="aquamarine">Source, please. And don't say the FBI. I want an exact source.</font>

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">BUT CRIP! THAT IS AN EXACT SOURCE! WOULD THE FBI LIE TO US!?</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
BUT CRIP! THAT IS AN EXACT SOURCE! WOULD THE FBI LIE TO US!?

<font color="aquamarine">For the 'greater good'...?

:think:</font>

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">If we didn't have guns how would you tell the other homies who done it? Cuz when it comes to this gangsta shit you muthafuckas know who run it.

<font size="1">Since two people whose opinions I actually respect ducked out of arguing, I am left to make stupid jokes. Netphoria, where have all the cowboys gone?</font>

<font color="aquamarine">I agree with you, Brendan.</font>

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Well they'd damn sure find out if they couldn't get one at the store. Look: gun control laws have no relation to crime rates. America: lots of guns, lots of crime. Britain: few guns, lots of crime. Japan: few guns, little crime. Switzerland: lots of guns, little crime.

Besides, you can't just pick and choose the amendments like you want. Gotta live with some of them. If you want to change it, it'll probably take a revolution. And what do you need for that: LOTS OF GUNS. Jesus. I can't believe you guys are living under the scariest president we've had in years and you don't want a gun in case the G-Men come after you. I'd rather die than have Tom Ridge poking around my asshole for Al Qaeda spy cameras.</font>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;?xml=/opinion/2003/01/05/do0502.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/01/05/ixopinion.html

Originally posted by Affect
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;?xml=/opinion/2003/01/05/do0502.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/01/05/ixopinion.html But apparently not. Since the Government's "total ban" five years ago, there are more and more guns being used by more and more criminals in more and more crimes. Now, in the wake of Birmingham's New Year bloodbath, there are calls for the total ban to be made even more total: if the gangs refuse to obey the existing laws, we'll just pass more laws for them not to obey. According to a UN survey from last month, England and Wales now have the highest crime rate of the world's 20 leading nations.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Gun control is such a non issue. Not only is it unconstitutional, but taking away all the guns it's not going to do anything to stop crime. If someone is going to commit serious violent crime, they know where to get guns on the black market. While I disagree with the meatheaded idea that having guns prevents crime, I do believe that submitting your right to carry arms to the government is just asking for disaster.</font>

My neck is only red when I've got sunburn.

http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/%A5Artist%20GIF%20Images/Marvins-Peace-Sign.jpg

Originally posted by Tessellation
"oppression"? I feel oppressed by those that DO possess guns. then buy a gun, you pussy.

In switzerland, there is a high powered automatic rifle in every household, and crime there is practically unheard of.

Originally posted by ******
then buy a gun, you pussy.

In switzerland, there is a high powered automatic rifle in every household, and crime there is practically unheard of.

But only because they fear another invasion from the bosch.

Who are you scared of? Canadians? The Mexicans? Have a look around - they're both already there.

Originally posted by Enzed


But only because they fear another invasion from the bosch.

Who are you scared of? Canadians? The Mexicans? Have a look around - they're both already there. Not in my house.

i just love this topic heading :rofl:

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Well they'd damn sure find out if they couldn't get one at the store. Look: gun control laws have no relation to crime rates. America: lots of guns, lots of crime. Britain: few guns, lots of crime. Japan: few guns, little crime. Switzerland: lots of guns, little crime.</font>

<font color="CC33CC">I'm definitely more curious than adamant about this issue. When you say crime, am I supposed to assume that you mean crimes that involve guns? If so, I can see the relevance, but if not, then how about some figures on deaths by handguns per country (I don't think there'd be quite the huge amount of deaths by, say, pocketknife, though I could be wrong)? Hold on, let me look that up right quick. Hopefully not found on an NRA site.

Information on child deaths by handguns from http://www.cap-gunviolence.org/furinfo.html:

"In 1995, firearms killed 0 children 0-19 years old in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (1)

The rate of firearm deaths among children 0-14 years old is nearly TWELVE times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (2)

The suicide rate for children 0-14 years old is TWICE as high in the U.S. than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. There is no difference in the nonfirearm suicide rate between the U.S. and the 25 other countries. Virtually all the difference is attributable to suicides being committed with guns in the U.S. (3)

The unintentional firearm related death rate for children 0-14 years old is NINE times higher in the U.S. than in the 25 other countries combined. (4)

The firearm-related homicide rate for children 0-14 years old is nearly SIXTEEN times higher in the U.S. than in the 25 other countries combined. The nonfirearm-related homicide rate in
the U.S. is nearly four times the rate in all of the other countries. Again, the difference in the homicide rates is largely due 10 incidents involving guns. (5) "

For some reason, finding source information that isn't children-centric is a bit difficult. You'd think I'm asking for something simple here.

Here is an article that explains why having guns decreases violent crime. http://www.quickshoot.com/excerpts.html

And here is another HUGE article that I only briefly looked at the outline of that rebukes it saying that many owners put others in danger b/c of lack of safety training. Which I'd say is more of the owner's responsibility than the gun's.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/uninsum.htm

I loathe to side with the wildly pro-handgun for the sake of protection folks soley b/c I don't think that they're looking at the roots of the problem. It may be obvious, there may be different takes on it, but I'll just say that poverty and the unequal treatment of nonwhite Americans (now, this is just aside from psycho white kids and husbands freaking out b/c they're spoiled insane little shits) has created a problem of vast proportions that we'll be dealing with for a while. That is why 20 black or Hispanic kids can die in gang violence and not even be whispered about, while 10 kids can die at the hands of the white shooters I just mentioned and be talked about on tv for the next year. It starts scaring people when it affects the affluent and those In Charge. Is it capitalism? Do we need to incorporate more socialism-oriented reforms to take care of the poor? Or something entirely different? I don't think that we have a sustainable economic system, that is, except for those that it benefits. Sorry to turn this into that sort of debate, but I really do think it's relevant as far as causes go. I don't mind capitalism per se so much as thinking it needs to be tweaked a bit to serve the poorest while simultaneously rewarding those who have the ability to work in the system.

Besides, you can't just pick and choose the amendments like you want. Gotta live with some of them.

I'll disagree with you here. I think that things like freedom to assemble do not inherently contain a great negative impact while bearing arms is multifaceted. As far as a revolution goes, I don't even know if a few hundred thousand folk waving their guns is the way that reform can happen these days. There need to be alternative approaches that aren't as clear cut as taking out a central baddie. B/c, honestly, if you take out Mr. Bush or his cabinet, what then? It's an interesting question. Any takers?</font>

<font color="CC33CC">Edit: So when we're talking about children being killed, I think that's more of a legislation issue of gun control. While when we're talking about crime as a whole, that goes into the whole poverty/economics question.</font>

Originally posted by Enzed


But only because they fear another invasion from the bosch.

Who are you scared of? Canadians? The Mexicans? Have a look around - they're both already there.


so true. Owning a gun is a phenomenal waste of money, and proof of one's paranoia.

Originally posted by Undone




"In 1995, firearms killed 0 children 0-19 years old in Japan



ah, America. Here's to you fat pigs shooting each other:beer:

I just thought of something: Mr Rhino probably seriously cannot shave his balls.

Originally posted by Tessellation
ah, America. Here's to you fat pigs shooting each other:beer:

<font color="CC33CC">And in this thread, Tessellation officially links obesity with a tendency towards handgun violence! :eek:</font>

Originally posted by Undone


<font color="CC33CC">And in this thread, Tessellation officially links obesity with a tendency towards handgun violence! :eek:</font>

That's coz the americans sit around cradling their guns (and eating burgers) instead of running away from teh violence.

please, government, take away our rights in order to protect us from ourselves, because we're so scared of everything.

Well I guess I'm one of the rare people that agree with Mr. R. Gun control should stay where it is. What we need is better enforcement of the laws we have right now. Just like the junkie who needs a fix/drugs, a criminal knows where to find a gun. Stronger guns laws only hurt the lawful abiding citizen who DO have the right to own them. Most criminals know, if the laws are applied forcefully, that they know better than go to a gun shop. More laws aren't the answer.

Originally posted by Delta
am i the only one that thinks theres something fucked up about a country being so terrified of its own government that its citizens feel a need to own guns to protect themselves?

and what good is your little .357 gonna do if a swat team swarms your house? if you're a good shot you might take what, 2, maybe 3 of them with you? fuck, if they want you dead/captured/probed they're going to do it regardless of how large a gun you have

its a false sense of security is what it is. that gun is going to do absolutely nothing in the face of any sort of organized or determined threat. even in defending your home from a burglar a gun isnt going to be terribly effective in close range combat. if you're that serious about self-defense go take some kendo classes and buy yourself a nice katana. shit, buy a chainsaw if you really want a deterrent. or landmines. build a bunker. get a steel-reinforced door. but don't pussy foot around with a tiny little gun and think you're safe as long as you've got it in the nighttable drawer

dude it's america's LIBERAL TRADITION. sorry i just wanted to put the word "liberal" in the more traditional context :D

Originally posted by Tessellation




ah, America. Here's to you fat pigs shooting each other:beer: how's the weather in Los Angeles?

Originally posted by FearFactory
The only real good that would come about from reducing (and eventually eliminating) guns is a sharp decline in accidental deaths due to children (or stupid adults) playing with guns.

Airbags kill more young children evey year than accidental shootings, but no one gives a fuck. People that bitch about 'all teh poor innocent children' don't give a fuck how many children die, only if they die by handgun.

you all need to watch bowling for columbine. beautiful.

Originally posted by Czarina
you all need to watch bowling for columbine. beautiful. Propaganda, kid.

Originally posted by Affect
Propaganda, kid.

you think? have you seen it? it has a lot of good evidence that guns aren't responsible for murder rate, at least in the comparisons to canada. and it has a lot of good information about other things people tend to stay ignorant of. i'd say it's probably a biased film, but not propaganda.

i wasn't sure if i'd like it since i'm pro-gun and i thought it would be way liberal, but i loved it.

Originally posted by Czarina
you all need to watch bowling for columbine. beautiful.
DAMMIT. :mad: I was so going to say that. :mad:

THat movie raises some interesting points.

im as libertarian as they get, and i want you to have your gun....jerk!

http://www.djangomusic.com/images/cover200/DRe200/e259/e25938sfae2.jpg

why do people feel like they need guns, anyway?


i fucking lived in the ghetto and didn't even once consider it.

my dad has one, but he works for the government and has had his life threatened. however, i don't think he ever even carries it with him. i just don't understand why people are so scared.

The only gun I own is a squirt gun.

man, i think we should ban the fuck outta guns. i want to go back to the days where we used swords and crossbows. that was hot. people had skills back then. guns are so pussy...

Originally posted by Tessellation
So who here does own a gun(s), besides Rhino?
You're slowly encouraging me to buy one.

Originally posted by I Hate Music

You're slowly encouraging me to buy one.

:rofl:

Heh, they're moving to ban toy guns in New York now

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-guns0106,0,6734106.story?coll=ny-nynews-headlines

Originally posted by Enzed


But only because they fear another invasion from the bosch.

Who are you scared of? Canadians? The Mexicans? Have a look around - they're both already there.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">I'm afraid of my own government.</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">I'm afraid of my own government.</font>

I completely understand. I'm afraid of your government too.

Originally posted by Enzed


I completely understand. I'm afraid of your government too.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">So can I have my magnum, then?</font>

^ best pro-gun arguement as well. i wish i had a nuke i could throw on my government... heh.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">So can I have my magnum, then?</font>

Well, in all honesty what I say on the matter isn't gonna matter a bean in the big grand old scheme of things. As someone pointed out, your magnum isn't gonna stop the might of the Imperial American War Machine coming down of yo' ass.

However -
I'll let you keep your gun under these conditions -

1. You don't use it to shoot children.
2. You keep it locked away.
3. You don't use it to rob liquor stores.
4. You keep it well away from me.

Incedentally - if there's UN inspectors searching for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, where's the ones searching the US? Double standard?

so let me get this straight ... you want to get a gun cause your afraid your government is going to come into your house and steal your playstation or another such similar item?

or your afraid that they are gonna hurt you or your family?

is this not a somewhat paranoid perspective?

Originally posted by Enzed
Well, in all honesty what I say on the matter isn't gonna matter a bean in the big grand old scheme of things. As someone pointed out, your magnum isn't gonna stop the might of the Imperial American War Machine coming down of yo' ass.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Live free or die, chief. I know you're probably not familiar with that concept but it's what this country was founded on. Oh and gurrella warfare is surprisingly effective againt more disciplined troops.</font>

Originally posted by mercurial
so let me get this straight ... you want to get a gun cause your afraid your government is going to come into your house and steal your playstation or another such similar item?

or your afraid that they are gonna hurt you or your family?

is this not a somewhat paranoid perspective?

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Don't be a moron. I'm talking about possible armed resistance to an opressive government. You don't think I'm warrented to be concerned about government oppression? Why should private citizens be denied use of guns when the government can? That's just asking for trouble.</font>

Originally posted by Graveflower


That's just ridiculous. I can't really argue it, I just don't buy the idea that every single person who might commit a violent crime would know exactly where to illegaly purchase a gun.

it was pretty easy for the guys that robbed me and my workmates and pointed a gun at my face

Originally posted by mercurial
so let me get this straight ... you want to get a gun cause your afraid your government is going to come into your house and steal your playstation or another such similar item?




he's afraid of his ganja being confiscated. Then again, if we legalized all narcotics in America, there would be a hell of a lot less gun-related fatalities.

Originally posted by Tessellation



he's afraid of his ganja being confiscated. Then again, if we legalized all narcotics in America, there would be a hell of a lot less gun-related fatalities. do you always ignore logical arguments against you?

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


Don't be a moron. I'm talking about possible armed resistance to an opressive government. You don't think I'm warrented to be concerned about government oppression? Why should private citizens be denied use of guns when the government can? That's just asking for trouble

ok ok ... the playstation comment was a little OTT

have you ever been subject to govenment oppression?

your abject fear of your governement turning into some sort of pseudo-religious dictatorship is absolutely amazing. Now bear with me, I'm not very nouse with regards to the history of American politics ... but you seriously consider this a reality in this day and age ... 11,000 odd gun related deaths be damned

Originally posted by a fistful of yen
do you always ignore logical arguments against you?



Rhino's extreme paranoia is "logical"?

Originally posted by Tessellation


he's afraid of his ganja being confiscated. Then again, if we legalized all narcotics in America, there would be a hell of a lot less gun-related fatalities.


yes and if you legalized homicide, there would be a lot less crime!

if someone tried to confiscate my ganj I'd probably take after you with a shotgun

Originally posted by mercurial




your abject fear of your governement turning into some sort of pseudo-religious dictatorship is absolutely amazing.



America may be becoming an Evil Empire, but they're not going nearly as far as Rhino thinks.

Originally posted by mercurial





if someone tried to confiscate my ganj I'd probably take after you with a shotgun

"you"? I'm pining for it?:rolleyes:

Mr. Rhino is a couch potato activist. He's too lazy to go to city hall meetings and write to politicians, so he buys a handgun, humorously believing that he's making a difference.

Originally posted by Tessellation
Mr. Rhino is a couch potato activist. He's too lazy to go to city hall meetings and write to politicians, so he buys a handgun, humorously believing that he's making a difference.

his hand gun is just his seatbelt (metaphoricaly). you dont get in traffic accidents every day but you still wear your seatbelt just in case...

plus the gun is the only universal language

Originally posted by Tessellation




America may be becoming an Evil Empire...

May Be Becoming...?

They're probably the most evil country on the face of the planet!

Originally posted by Tessellation
he's afraid of his ganja being confiscated.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Quit being a stupid fuck.

Originally posted by Tessellation
Mr. Rhino is a couch potato activist. He's too lazy to go to city hall meetings and write to politicians, so he buys a handgun, humorously believing that he's making a difference.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Why do you insist on speaking on my behalf? God you're a fucking moron. I'm not to lazy to do anything, I know already that it doesn't do a damn bit of good to even try. You're the stupid fuck who writes his congressman like it FUCKING MATTERS. They don't give a shit about what you write, you stupid turdbrain. Shit, if I was a politician and I got an e-mail or a letter from you I'd probably throw it away since you're such a dumbass.

Buying a handgun has nothing to do with making a difference it has to do with protection against many things. A well armed populace is very hard to oppress. You're the pansy who can't handle the fact that banning guns won't make a damned bit of difference. Shut the fuck up already, freedom hating fascist bitch.</font>

Originally posted by Enzed


May Be Becoming...?

They're probably the most evil country on the face of the planet! Ok, Z-Lo.

I'm reminded of something Michael Moore ask's in his recent documentary 'Bowling for Columbine'


Why not do it the way Gandhi did it? He didn't have guns - and he managed to overthrow the British Empire (who had guns)

ok he was a bit of a nuttah ... he would have gladly seen ranks of his fellow countrymen slaughtered over idealist principles. However I have been reading a book called 'Freedom at Midnight' about the independence and partition of India in 1947 and though it tends to be somewhat pro-British in it's outlook ... it does make clear that if were not for Gandhi and his struggles India would have remained a colony

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Gandhi could have had use for a gun when that guy came up and capped his ass.</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Gandhi could have had use for a gun when that guy came up and capped his ass.</font>

d00d!

Originally posted by Tessellation




Rhino's extreme paranoia is "logical"? I meant in general. You assume a bit too much about everything. Especially things you're crapshooting about.

Did you even read the correlations between the guns and crime rate? The fact is that guns are not to blame for crime. Get your facts more straight then trusting FBI-sourced information.

You're the one decieving yourself when you think writing to a politician or attending a city hall meeting will actually make a difference.

bump, Heston

Originally posted by bittertrance


it was pretty easy for the guys that robbed me and my workmates and pointed a gun at my face

That's because he probably bought it legally, which is the point Sean was making

Sorry to hear about that =/

Originally posted by DeviousJ


That's because he probably bought it legally, which is the point Sean was making

Sorry to hear about that =/

i dont know, its just hard for me to beleive 4 young guys who turned out to be career criminals all bought the same guns legally especially with the ********** check

Michael Moore starts the show by opening an account at a Minnesota bank that gave away a firearm with each new account.