http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050913/ap_on_go_ot/katrina_washington

There's a first

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050913/ap_on_go_ot/katrina_washington

There's a first

wow. that's terrific

Originally posted by pastry sharp


wow. that's terrific

I don't like Bush, but I wish he was never in the position to have admit failure in a situation like this.

Originally posted by ZackZ


I don't like Bush, but I wish he was never in the position to have admit failure in a situation like this.

kind of in the same boat with you - but on the other hand, it's really noble to step up and say, the buck stops here. that's a huge part of what i respect in any person. although i've agreed with bush on a few issues in the past, this is the first time that he's done something that i feel is worthy of my respect (regardless of why he said it).

thats the best possible thing he couldve done, politically speaking, and i was hoping he wouldnt do it so that he would continue to raise the ire of people. hes looked like a real fool in the past for constantly passing the buck or pig-headedly delivering "upbeat" assessments that run contrary to the facts, and if he were to continue on with that type of reaction here it wouldve been incredibly damaging, i think. from that perspective im disappointed his advisers actually recognized the need to publicly take responsibility. his PR staff seems to have been uncharacteristically inept these past few months and they were doing an awful job dealing with the hurricane. shame to see them getting their act together

This is the first major thing he's ever taken on. I wonder if it will have an effect on all the Bush freaks who think he can do no wrong, and who were doing what the WH was doing, decrying the blame game while blaming the local governtment. I give him credit for doing the right thing, but I doubt that's why he did it.

Originally posted by sleeper
thats the best possible thing he couldve done, politically speaking, and i was hoping he wouldnt do it so that he would continue to raise the ire of people.
he's not running for re-election

oh yeah you want the country to fail, i forgot

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son

he's not running for re-election

oh yeah you want the country to fail, i forgot

oh come on, youre obviously not this narrow minded, why do you bother posting such tripe? obviously what looks bad for him, looks bad for his party. disfavour or favour doesnt contain itself to the one thing, it spreads, and he can easily become a liability for all republicans. hell, you already have republicans trying to distance themselves from the war in iraq in view of the midterms, if bush keeps it up he'll be treated the same

Bush doing badly means Republicans doing badly come midterm. Elementary politics.

Of course, no one has found any Democrats worth voting for yet.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son

he's not running for re-election

oh yeah you want the country to fail, i forgot

Damn. You are off your game, son. :noway:

maybe he is that narrow minded. perhaps i was being too generous

Originally posted by Trotskilicious
Of course, no one has found any Democrats worth voting for yet.

have they checked all of the hospitals in new orleans?

has anyone seen this apology? i retract my support for the president on this issue. it was one of the most disingenuous apologies i've ever witnessed. his body language essentially said, "hey shit happens"... i'm surprised i'm the first person to mention this. since i've now taken a partisan position on this subject, i'd like to take a minute to say that barbera bush is totally bat shit crazy.

yeah i was going to mention how it was cushioned in ambiguous terms and everything but i think, regardless of how watered down, this is still a landmark thing for bush to have done. and, besides, all of the papers arent even bothering quoting the qualifying terms he used and are essentially just quoting the words "i take responsibility"

Originally posted by pastry sharp
has anyone seen this apology? i retract my support for the president on this issue. it was one of the most disingenuous apologies i've ever witnessed. his body language essentially said, "hey shit happens"... i surprised i'm the first person to mention this. since i've now taken a partisan position on this subject, i'd like to take a minute to say that barbera bush is totally bat shit crazy.

I didn't actually see it.. that sucks.

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser


I didn't actually see it.. that sucks.

So you're taking the word of a douchebag on the internet instead of seeing it for yourself? You are a mindless drone.

Originally posted by Trotskilicious


So you're taking the word of a douchebag on the internet instead of seeing it for yourself? You are a mindless drone.

you really are quite pointless.

yeah why are you being so mean to pasty, trotsky? i must have missed some thread where you two clashed that layed the seeds for this. youre all over him in that other thread too. be nice. i like pastry and we all should because hes a bright, upstanding guy. how rare are people of his quality here? quite, id say

pastry gets it too tough, he doesnt deserve the kind of shit he gets. the only person who gets attacked more than he does, often as completely senselessly and superfluously, is beautiful loser. but she seems really used to it by now so whatever

Originally posted by sleeper
pastry gets it too tough, he doesnt deserve the kind of shit he gets. the only person who gets attacked more than he does, often as completely senselessly and superfluously, is beautiful loser. but she seems really used to it by now so whatever

thanks for the kind words, but in fairness, only two people have really attacked me outside of debating their point, and i freely admit that i dished it back to them as well. there is very little that would be said on this board that i would take personally. anyway, thanks for the support.

friends 4 life?

I wasn't mean to pastry sharp in this thread at all. I just think both of you are partisans.

Originally posted by sleeper
yeah i was going to mention how it was cushioned in ambiguous terms and everything but i think, regardless of how watered down, this is still a landmark thing for bush to have done. and, besides, all of the papers arent even bothering quoting the qualifying terms he used and are essentially just quoting the words "i take responsibility"

It's smart politically though. But I hadnt seen it either.

Originally posted by Future Boy


It's smart politically though. But I hadnt seen it either.

just in general you should always go check out the primary source info, it gives you a sense of things you cant get otherwise. newspapers selectively quote the most moronic things sometimes, especially when it comes to a new videotape speech by some terrorist or something.

Originally posted by sleeper


just in general you should always go check out the primary source info, it gives you a sense of things you cant get otherwise. newspapers selectively quote the most moronic things sometimes, especially when it comes to a new videotape speech by some terrorist or something.

it wouldnt load at the time, and no one was mentioning his crappy taking of the blame. But yeah, i know.

i evidently gave the wrong impression. i wasnt trying to like lecture you or something, i know youre a competent, capable guy, im just expressing some disgust at how the media conveys these things

thats another good thing about the new york times, as they have historically always published full transcripts of key speeches and everything. ive never really understood why more papers dont do this kind of stuff. they cant seriously be worrying about the cost of the extra paper needed to publish long articles or lots of raw information. more room for advertisement money or whatever, i would assume. i dont get it

Well knowing Bush I figured it wasnt that sincere, but I thought it was better than what he did. The media response was pretty bad.

he's covering for someone.

bush does no wrong.

Originally posted by *star*
he's covering for someone.

bush does no wrong.

Are you for real? He was dicking around on his ranch two days after the hurricane made landfall.

Originally posted by Trotskilicious


Are you for real? He was dicking around on his ranch two days after the hurricane made landfall.
oh yeah, blame the president. ANYTHING goes wrong, blame the president.

i bet you believe that kay west guy, too. oh poor poor blacks.

told you he was good

Carlos Mencia had proof of the phenomenon of white people finding and black people looting on Wedensday's show.

Originally posted by Trotskilicious
Carlos Mencia had proof of the phenomenon of white people finding and black people looting on Wedensday's show.
was it those stupid pictures supposedly pointing that "fact" out, but it really showed a black person with diapers in a big, black bag filled with other hot merchandise and the other showed a white family and you can see the bread in their bag.

that picture was used so much, but it really only proved, in that instance atleast, that the black person was looting and the white people were scavaging.

Originally posted by *star*

was it those stupid pictures supposedly pointing that "fact" out, but it really showed a black person with diapers in a big, black bag filled with other hot merchandise and the other showed a white family and you can see the bread in their bag.

You can see inside their bag? :eek:
http://www.vanguardsquad.com/soulstrutish/vanzetti/Find-v-Loot.jpg

Originally posted by Future Boy


You can see inside their bag? :eek:
http://www.vanguardsquad.com/soulstrutish/vanzetti/Find-v-Loot.jpg
from that picture you can see diapers in the black person's hand and food in the whites.

diapers = looting
food = necessary scavanging

It could be a case of pop, like , Diet Rite.

Diet Rite = necessary scavenging

Originally posted by Future Boy
It could be a case of pop, like , Diet Rite.

Diet Rite = necessary scavenging
a case of pop doesn't float.

i'm sorry, why would you take diapers besides if you have small children (necessity).

also, this is of course how everyone acts in new orleans.

Originally posted by *star*

a case of pop doesn't float.

http://www.adweek.com/adweek/photos/2004/12/W2/06_N_News_DietPepsi_L.jpg

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser


http://www.adweek.com/adweek/photos/2004/12/W2/06_N_News_DietPepsi_L.jpg
you show me a 12 pack of that pop that floats and i'll take you to get your fishy vag waxed.

"Diapers are looting." You're hilarious, troll.

Originally posted by Trotskilicious
Carlos Mencia had proof of the phenomenon of white people finding and black people looting on Wedensday's show.

you watch mencia?
i'm dissapointed in your sense of humor, sween.

Originally posted by Trotskilicious
Carlos Mencia had proof of the phenomenon of white people finding and black people looting on Wedensday's show.
I can't believe nobody noticed the obvious apples/oranges in those photos. They are from different sources and captioned by different organizations.

It's one small example of a multitude. I don't expect you to care about this though, Nimrod.

Originally posted by Trotskilicious
It's one small example of a multitude. I don't expect you to care about this though, Nimrod.
Actually it's the only example I've ever seen presented. If there were multitudes, you would think that a better example would be circulated.....

Originally posted by transluscent
i'm sorry, why would you take diapers besides if you have small children (necessity).

I dunno, some people are into that freaky shit.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son

Actually it's the only example I've ever seen presented. If there were multitudes, you would think that a better example would be circulated.....

Actually, two stories from news services is a great example because these two stories were probably circulated throughout the nation from Olympia to Bangor. I know you're having trouble with this concept of bias against black folks in the media because you're pretty racist yourself.

who cares about politics, why are you watching the mind of mencia

yeah i've only seen commercials and the 5 minutes preceding the daily show but that guys seems about as unfunny as it gets