I've been thinking recenlty about the Pumpkins reforming...

Only one band in rock history had an extended period of success, essentially broke up for a while and reformed to become more successful than ever for a longer period of time than the first period they were together: Aerosmith.

So, can the Smashing Pumpkins be the next Aerosmith? They're gonna have to reach a whole new generation just like Aerosmith did. Can they do it?



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If you think about what Aerosmith accomplished, their comeback started with something that had never been done before (basically) ---> a marriage of rock and rap (Walk this way). That song just ruled MTV, it was fresh, ground-breaking, exciting... what better way to introduce themselves to a new generation of fans then with something like that?

I mean, I was a fan of classic rock and I loved songs like "Dream On" but I had no idea who Aerosmith was. But, when I saw Steven Tyler and Joe Perry in the "Walk this way" video, it blew my mind. I just thought, those guys are beyond cool, wow. I've been a big fan of Aerosmith's ever since then.

I'm thinking that if the Smashing Pumpkins are gonna become big again, they're gonna need something like "Walk this way". A great song or album that will define who they are and what they're about to a whole new generation, IMHO.

The band clearly wants to be popular. Billy Corgan talked about "taking over the world one more time" when Machina was released. But, do they have it in them to do what Aerosmith did? They changed with the times and the Pumkins certainly can do that.

I guess hope springs eternal and I have to vote yes. But, deep down, I don't think so, unless they can shock us all by reinventing themselves ala Madonna or something. It's gonna be intersesting.

Originally posted by morespsoon
I've been thinking recenlty about the Pumpkins reforming...

Only one band in rock history had an extended period of success, essentially broke up for a while and reformed to become more successful than ever for a longer period of time than the first period they were together: Aerosmith.

So, can the Smashing Pumpkins be the next Aerosmith? They're gonna have to reach a whole new generation just like Aerosmith did. Can they do it?



....

If you think about what Aerosmith accomplished, their comeback started with something that had never been done before (basically) ---> a marriage of rock and rap (Walk this way). That song just ruled MTV, it was fresh, ground-breaking, exciting... what better way to introduce themselves to a new generation of fans then with something like that?

I mean, I was a fan of classic rock and I loved songs like "Dream On" but I had no idea who Aerosmith was. But, when I saw Steven Tyler and Joe Perry in the "Walk this way" video, it blew my mind. I just thought, those guys are beyond cool, wow. I've been a big fan of Aerosmith's ever since then.

I'm thinking that if the Smashing Pumpkins are gonna become big again, they're gonna need something like "Walk this way". A great song or album that will define who they are and what they're about to a whole new generation, IMHO.

Okay, in general that's a good idea, but if I see Billy doing anything resembling rap, I'm leaving.

Originally posted by Letterhead


Okay, in general that's a good idea, but if I see Billy doing anything resembling rap, I'm leaving.

:rofl: Imagine James and Billy doing a cover of "Bullet with Butterfly wings" with Eminem. :rofl:

Aerosmith sucks.

Originally posted by Quiet
Aerosmith sucks.

That's not the point (although I love them).

The point is, can SP accomplish what Aerosmith did?

Originally posted by morespsoon
The point is, can SP accomplish what Aerosmith did?

Accomplish sucking? I hope not.

Who cares. Knowing BC's volatile frame of mind, with SP2 he'll don an alarm clock, down some homeopathic idiot-potions for his migraines and get to work on some pretty crappy hard rock no matter what.

If we start getting videos featuring numerous lycra-clad models with bad breast implants and huge hair (plus plenty of dry ice), we'll know the Aerosmith Factor is in effect.

The problem is that for Aerosmith's "comeback" they relied on proffessional songwriters like Glen Ballard to create and produce their hits. Are SP going to do that too?

Originally posted by Quiet


Accomplish sucking? I hope not.

No, can they regain the popularity that they had and even surpass it (like Aerosmith did).

who the fuck cares? its gonna rawk anyway.

Also, what exactly does the "Other" option mean in this poll?

It seems like a yes or no question to me...

Originally posted by Letterhead
Also, what exactly does the "Other" option mean in this poll?

It seems like a yes or no question to me...

"Other" means you don't really want to answer the question and you want to answer another one. :D

you really like making polls dont you

Originally posted by spidrr
you really like making polls dont you

Yeah, but I'm just an Oblivious Virgin. Pease spidrr, don't hurt 'em! :rant: :mrpimp: :warp:

Originally posted by morespsoon


:rofl: Imagine James and Billy doing a cover of "Bullet with Butterfly wings" with Eminem. :rofl:
I rather eat my own fecal matter if this'll happen!

Originally posted by soniclovenoize
The problem is that for Aerosmith's "comeback" they relied on proffessional songwriters like Glen Ballard to create and produce their hits. Are SP going to do that too?


exactly
aerosmith has one more number one hit than sp does, but they didnt write it (the armageddon song).

Originally posted by soniclovenoize
The problem is that for Aerosmith's "comeback" they relied on proffessional songwriters like Glen Ballard to create and produce their hits. Are SP going to do that too?

That's not completely true. I just found their "comeback" hits from one of their great hits albums (Oh Yeah):

Dude (Looks Like A Lady)
Angel
Rag Doll
Janie's Got A Gun
Love In An Elevator
What It Takes
Livin' On The Edge
Cryin'
Amazing
Crazy
Falling In Love (Is Hard On The Knees)
Pink
I Don't Want To Miss A Thing
Jaded
Just Push Play (Radio Remix)
Walk This Way (w/ Run-D.M.C.)

I don't have time to research this right now, but if I remember right, they only had outside help on a handful of these. If there's enough interest about this, I'll look it up tomorrow.

If the Pumpkins come back and achieve a greater success then they once had, awesome... but if they stick around and start making crap upon crap (which people will say about machina, though i think its the pumpkins best album) then I hope they are not the next Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, or Cheap Trick for that matter

Originally posted by Quiet CD
If the Pumpkins come back and achieve a greater success then they once had, awesome... but if they stick around and start making crap upon crap (which people will say about machina, though i think its the pumpkins best album) then I hope they are not the next Aerosmith, Rolling Stones, or Cheap Trick for that matter

I couldn't disagree with you more about Aerosmith. I think that they just kept getting better until they sputtered with "Just Push Play". I still haven't heard "Honkin' on Bobo" but it's supposed to be really good.

BTW, have you actually heard "Pump", "Get a Grip", or "Nine Lives"? Those albums are incredible, IMHO. If you have heard any of those albums, what specifically didn't you like about them?

Originally posted by Quiet
Aerosmith sucks.

Originally posted by morespsoon


That's not completely true. I just found their "comeback" hits from one of their great hits albums (Oh Yeah):

Dude (Looks Like A Lady)
Angel
Rag Doll
Janie's Got A Gun
Love In An Elevator
What It Takes
Livin' On The Edge
Cryin'
Amazing
Crazy
Falling In Love (Is Hard On The Knees)
Pink
I Don't Want To Miss A Thing
Jaded
Just Push Play (Radio Remix)
Walk This Way (w/ Run-D.M.C.)

I don't have time to research this right now, but if I remember right, they only had outside help on a handful of these. If there's enough interest about this, I'll look it up tomorrow. <font color=99CCFF>not that i was ever a big aerosmith fan, other than digging a few songs, but it really killed it when they did that song for armaggeddon... yuck :(


and i don't know if the pumpkins will ever experience a resurgence - who knows... but if they start charging $400 for tix like the Rolling Stones, I will boycott</font>

i doubt billy would charge 400.
then again, you never really know with him.

Originally posted by morespsoon


That's not completely true. I just found their "comeback" hits from one of their great hits albums (Oh Yeah):

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I don't have time to research this right now, but if I remember right, they only had outside help on a handful of these. If there's enough interest about this, I'll look it up tomorrow.

OK, here's a link to a quick discography of Aerosmith albums with the songwriting credit next to each song. Note that Jim Vallance, Desmond Child, Holly Knight, Richie Supa, Mark Hudson and Marty Frederikson are all professional songwriters, and they have writing credits on all their albums from the 90s and 00s, a few here and there from the 80s, and virtually none from the 70s. There should be no question that ever since their "comeback" Aerosmith has relied on professional songwriters and producers.

See for yourself:
http://www.murashev.com/dmdl/artist.php?id=51

Just sad and pathetic.

Originally posted by Quiet


Accomplish sucking? I hope not.
they already did that.

I would first like to say that I think this is an interesting thread!

Second you have to consider the musical climate when Aerosmith broke it big again. While walk this way was new and fresh and good, nowdays literally eveything musically possible has been done whether or not the mainstream has yet to hear it and whatever Billy has in his pocket prolly wont be good enough to capture the masses and even more so capture their wallets. Think about it, while Billy is extremely talented, TFE flopped and while Zwan was adored and praised by critics, it wasn't any huge success. Also after Aerosmith became big they became more commercial than ever and this is why they got big again.

If Billy on co. want to reclaim the rock world I truly think that there is only one way to do it. Become even more commerical. SP were always a commercial band with hooky songs and big production, but as they progressed through their career Billy wanted to experiement more and the masses didn't care for it (I did though and still do). So if SP wanna have multi platimun albums again and play the arenas they gotta crank out the distortion and dust of the melodies and hooks.

Hopefully Billy can be able to create music in the vein of SP and still carve out his own new creative niche in the rock world.

Originally posted by spank_thru101
I would first like to say that I think this is an interesting thread!

Second you have to consider the musical climate when Aerosmith broke it big again. While walk this way was new and fresh and good, nowdays literally eveything musically possible has been done whether or not the mainstream has yet to hear it and whatever Billy has in his pocket prolly wont be good enough to capture the masses and even more so capture their wallets. Think about it, while Billy is extremely talented, TFE flopped and while Zwan was adored and praised by critics, it wasn't any huge success. Also after Aerosmith became big they became more commercial than ever and this is why they got big again.

If Billy on co. want to reclaim the rock world I truly think that there is only one way to do it. Become even more commerical. SP were always a commercial band with hooky songs and big production, but as they progressed through their career Billy wanted to experiement more and the masses didn't care for it (I did though and still do). So if SP wanna have multi platimun albums again and play the arenas they gotta crank out the distortion and dust of the melodies and hooks.

Hopefully Billy can be able to create music in the vein of SP and still carve out his own new creative niche in the rock world.

...holy jehusafeth!

hell, i'm in a glass half full mood.

yes, why not? their big comeback should be a rock/country, jazz, folk, blues, barbershop quartet mix up a la run dmc with aerosmith.

good post.

Originally posted by homechicago
hell, i'm in a glass half full mood.

yes, why not? their big comeback should be a rock/country, jazz, folk, blues, barbershop quartet mix up a la run dmc with aerosmith.

good post.

please tell me you're joking

Originally posted by WalkingStrayz


please tell me you're joking

nope, not joking. why not? tsp and yanni. it could be HUGE.

seriously, why couldn't they have some big second coming? maybe they don't need to be re-introduced with some other band, but if aerosmith can live on in a second act with crap like "cryin" or that armageddon theme song junk, surely the pumpkins could do it, and better (and it better be all 4 original members, even if some of them work against their will)

Originally posted by morespsoon
Only one band in rock history had an extended period of success, essentially broke up for a while and reformed to become more successful than ever for a longer period of time than the first period they were together: Aerosmith.

Weezr did it.

Originally posted by soniclovenoize


OK, here's a link to a quick discography of Aerosmith albums with the songwriting credit next to each song. Note that Jim Vallance, Desmond Child, Holly Knight, Richie Supa, Mark Hudson and Marty Frederikson are all professional songwriters, and they have writing credits on all their albums from the 90s and 00s, a few here and there from the 80s, and virtually none from the 70s. There should be no question that ever since their "comeback" Aerosmith has relied on professional songwriters and producers.

See for yourself:
http://www.murashev.com/dmdl/artist.php?id=51

Just sad and pathetic.

Ok, I don't know how this is gonna turn out:

Dude (Looks Like A Lady) (Child/Perry/Tyler)
Angel (Child/Tyler)
Rag Doll (Knight/Perry/Tyler/Vallance)
Janie's Got A Gun (Hamilton/Tyler)
Love In An Elevator (Perry/Tyler)
What It Takes (Child/Perry/Tyler)
Livin' On The Edge (Hudson/Perry/Tyler)
Cryin' (Perry/Rhodes/Tyler)
Amazing (Supa/Tyler)
Crazy (Child/Perry/Tyler)
Falling In Love (Is Hard On The Knees) (Ballard/Perry/Tyler)
Pink (Ballard/Supa/Tyler)
I Don't Want To Miss A Thing
Jaded (Tyler, Frederiksen)
Just Push Play (Tyler, Hudson, Dudas)
Walk This Way (w/ Run-D.M.C.) (Perry/Tyler)

It turns out that you were right. Well, it makes no difference to me because I love those songs. I don't see why it's sad and pathetic either. They made great music...

Let me put it this way, Billy Corgan recently said that he thinks machines have souls, so then, by his own logic, isn't he getting some outside help in his songwriting too (uncredited of course). :D

But, this has nothing to do with the Pumpkins because we know that Billy's gonna write 90%+ of the songs anyways. This is a moot point in this discussion, IMHO.

Originally posted by Quiet
Aerosmith sucks.

My thoughts exactly.

Originally posted by homechicago


nope, not joking. why not? tsp and yanni. it could be HUGE.

seriously, why couldn't they have some big second coming? maybe they don't need to be re-introduced with some other band, but if aerosmith can live on in a second act with crap like "cryin" or that armageddon theme song junk, surely the pumpkins could do it, and better (and it better be all 4 original members, even if some of them work against their will) ...please no.. it would be the apocolypse if that happened.

Aerosmith does not suck. Their first four albums together are one of the greatest spans of music by any band ever. As for their recent stuff I have only really cared for Nine Lives and Pump, although Just Push Play and Get A Grip are not unlistenable. These people that share songwriting credit sit in the studio with Tyler and Perry and help them work out arrangements, orchestral parts, and other more complex things that the band didn't do in the 70s. Tyler works with the same group of guys over and over again however. Aerosmith is not having their music written for them, they are recieving in studio help though. Just to clear things up.

Originally posted by spank_thru101
I would first like to say that I think this is an interesting thread!

Second you have to consider the musical climate when Aerosmith broke it big again. While walk this way was new and fresh and good, nowdays literally eveything musically possible has been done whether or not the mainstream has yet to hear it and whatever Billy has in his pocket prolly wont be good enough to capture the masses and even more so capture their wallets. Think about it, while Billy is extremely talented, TFE flopped and while Zwan was adored and praised by critics, it wasn't any huge success. Also after Aerosmith became big they became more commercial than ever and this is why they got big again.

If Billy on co. want to reclaim the rock world I truly think that there is only one way to do it. Become even more commerical. SP were always a commercial band with hooky songs and big production, but as they progressed through their career Billy wanted to experiement more and the masses didn't care for it (I did though and still do). So if SP wanna have multi platimun albums again and play the arenas they gotta crank out the distortion and dust of the melodies and hooks.

Hopefully Billy can be able to create music in the vein of SP and still carve out his own new creative niche in the rock world.

That was a brillant post, I'm with you all the way! I can't wait to see how this goes down (emphasis on the word down, lmao). I mean, Machina 3 ain't gonna win them too many new fans.

Originally posted by redbreegull
These people that share songwriting credit sit in the studio with Tyler and Perry and help them work out arrangements, orchestral parts, and other more complex things that the band didn't do in the 70s. Tyler works with the same group of guys over and over again however. Aerosmith is not having their music written for them, they are recieving in studio help though. Just to clear things up.

I wasn't aware of that, thanks. :)

Originally posted by TheDeuce


Weezr did it.

True, but Weezer were and never will anywhere near as ambitious as the pumpkins they also never had the critical or commercial sucess as the pumpkins.

Besides that Weezer is basically a bad band. Don't get me wrong its all entertainment and if someones album entertains you than its does its job, but have they ever even tried stepping outside the line that some other band had previously drawn? No.

On a side not have any of you been to a Weezer concert? I saw them bakc when they were touring for the green album (I went cause a friend liked them and they had Cold opening for them, this was before Cold sold out) and Weezers set lasted just about 60 minutes...I felt ripped off, while tickets were fair in price a band who plays for an hour doesn't deserve my 35 bucks.