a lot of the Pisces Iscariot songs are outakes from Siamese Dream. but none of the songs seem to contain more than at least 3 different guitar parts. while some Siamese Dream songs seem to contain 5 or more different guitar parts.

Pisces seems like the work of a live band while Siamese Dream seems too manipulated by the studio and the producer.

so thats why those songs werent chosen? because they didnt have that overdubbed sound like the other songs from that era?

Or maybe the producer/band choose the album tracks before recording them or when they are in their "essential" form? :D

Originally posted by Catherine Wheel


Pisces seems like the work of a live band while Siamese Dream seems too manipulated by the studio and the producer.

so thats why those songs werent chosen? because they didnt have that overdubbed sound like the other songs from that era?

a few of the songs were recorded live, like Pissant and La Dolly Vita. also, i think alot of the songs are generally less technical than the ones on siamese dream. like Whir, Soothe, Blew Away, Spaced, Obscured, Landslide...pretty simple stuff really

the bigger songs like starla are deceptive, they're also less technical than one would imagine. the band just used a shitload of effects on the solos.

well randomness aside, catherine wheel is actually ms. D'arcy Wretzky herself..

Starla's got a few little strategically placed overdubs in the solo too, but yeah, a lot of the songs aren't really as technical. Which also contributes to the whole 'raw' feeling to the album.

There are PLENTY of multitracked guitars on Pisces.

Hello Kitty Kat sounds live too. maybe Im mistaken. I cant think of any songs on Siamese Dream that really have that live raw quality to them. maybe Sweet Sweet. but not other than that.

why would an album named Dream not be 'overproduced'

Originally posted by The Omega Concern
why would an album named Dream not be 'overproduced'
why did you even 'bring that up'

bring what up? you mean 'that'...i did not use the word Siamese nor Twin...so, :p if that's what you meant.

Frail, Pissant, Hello Kitty Kat, and Starla are just as layered.

"Overdubbed" is not the word to describe Siamese btw.

you are telling me that Hello Kitty Kat is just as layered as Rocket? have you listened to Rocket? very easy to see difference

Originally posted by '|' jIMMY '|'
well randomness aside, catherine wheel is actually ms. D'arcy Wretzky herself..

hmmm

Originally posted by Catherine Wheel
a lot of the Pisces Iscariot songs are outakes from Siamese Dream. but none of the songs seem to contain more than at least 3 different guitar parts. while some Siamese Dream songs seem to contain 5 or more different guitar parts.

Pisces seems like the work of a live band while Siamese Dream seems too manipulated by the studio and the producer.

so thats why those songs werent chosen? because they didnt have that overdubbed sound like the other songs from that era? Well, it's only that an artist tends to gravitate twords the songs he knows will make the album, and put more work into those. The tracks that you know will be B-sides you don't put as much time in. Would you want to put 110% in a song that will or won't make the album? I'm not saying that B-sides don't get the treatment, but remember that studio time is expensive, and artists will usually try to make the best fo their time.

I wouldn't at all say there's a lack of overdubs on Pisces... I mean, c'mon, you think those are the live, scratch vocals here? Also remember Pisces has Gish-era B-sides and outtakes, and honeslty Gish was a stripped down album too, compared to Siamese.

One contains tracks recorded specifically for an album release, produced by an expensive producer in an expensive studio and mastered by an expensive engineer, which are all conducive to getting a very densely-layered record that doesn't sound like crap. The other contains demos and b-sides. What could it all mean?

Originally posted by DeviousJ
One contains tracks recorded specifically for an album release, produced by an expensive producer in an expensive studio and mastered by an expensive engineer, which are all conducive to getting a very densely-layered record that doesn't sound like crap. The other contains demos and b-sides. What could it all mean?

Lee to the rescue.

Is there anything he can't do??

PI rules. I just came to that conclusion. blows Machina out of the water.

FRAIL AND BUHHHDAZZLED froooom the glaaaaaaare

WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH NYEEEEYAAAAWWW

did I get those lyrics right? that's what I've always said, whatever.

Originally posted by Nate the Grate
PI rules. I just came to that conclusion. blows Machina out of the water.

FRAIL AND BUHHHDAZZLED froooom the glaaaaaaare

WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH NYEEEEYAAAAWWW

did I get those lyrics right? that's what I've always said, whatever.
Attention! Clean up on aisle 9, clean up on aisle 9!

Originally posted by Catherine Wheel
you are telling me that Hello Kitty Kat is just as layered as Rocket? have you listened to Rocket? very easy to see difference

Bullshit. Listen to the multitracked solo lines at the end of Kitty.

Originally posted by Catherine Wheel
a lot of the Pisces Iscariot songs are outakes from Siamese Dream. but none of the songs seem to contain more than at least 3 different guitar parts. while some Siamese Dream songs seem to contain 5 or more different guitar parts.

Pisces seems like the work of a live band while Siamese Dream seems too manipulated by the studio and the producer.

so thats why those songs werent chosen? because they didnt have that overdubbed sound like the other songs from that era?
If they were going to put them on the album, they would probably want to re do them. My guess is they were probably demos or something. Like that Luna outtake.

Originally posted by ZEROpumpkins

If they were going to put them on the album, they would probably want to re do them. My guess is they were probably demos or something. Like that Luna outtake.

yea thats what id guess. it seems as though a lot of people tend over-analyze things here.